frosbel: ^***

Is that your answer to my 2 points above ?

[quote author=benalvino]
the answer has been giving you you in my earlier post... the body can be said to be a living soul... however the body can be destroyed by you and me and the soul cannot be destroyed... that is to show you that the body and the soul are different...

frosbel: what makes the body a living soul ?

And please don't forget to quote the source of your other comment, thanks.
I will address Genesis 35:18 shortly.

benalvino:

Genesis 2:7
"And the Lord God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life and man became a living soul.

you can see that God forms a body(man) from dust but the body wasn't alive... it did not say he formed a soul... but he formed the body and breath into the nostrils and the body became or the man became a living soul.

so the soul gives life to the body... without the soul the body is dead.

life = soul...

now the bible makes it clear that the soul is not immortal... the soul can be destroyed by God

1 Thessalonians 5:23 says:
“Now may the God of peace Himself sanctify you completely; and may your whole spirit, soul, and body be preserved blameless at the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.”

the soul is put in the body for it to operate remove the soul and the body dies...

Freksy:

Soul as used in Gen 2:7 simply means, 'Man, with life in him'. It's a result of some things that were put together - dust from the ground and breath of life from God. Note the word, "became"

man of dust and( + ) breath of life became( = ) A living Soul/being/creature

And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul. Gen 2:7 (KJV)

"And the Lord God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living being. - Gen 2:7 (NKJV)

And Jehovah God formeth the man -- dust from the ground, and breatheth into his nostrils breath of life, and the man becometh a living creature. - Gen (YLT)



It was the breath from God that gave life to the body.



Soul as used in the bible means --- life, person, animal. Also, the bible shows that soul has blood, can eat, sin and die....yes, you are a soul.




Soul can be destroyed by God......Humans, animals, even inanimate things too, can also destroy soul.

"And they smote all the souls that were therein with the edge of the sword , utterly destroying them: there was not any left to breathe: and he burnt Hazor with fire" Joshua 11:11 - KJV

However, God is the only one that can destroy soul in hell or gehenna.... the only one that can destroy man with his future life's prospect.




Paul was referring to the spirit, soul, and body of the composite Christian church in Thessalonica. Instead of simply praying that the church be preserved, he prayed for the preservation of its "spirit," or mental disposition. He also prayed for its "soul," its life, or existence, and for its "body"- the composite body of anointed Christians. (1 Cor. 12:12, 13) The prayer thus highlights Paul's intense concern for the church.



What God put in the lifeless man/soul was life-giving and sustaining breath from Him. When the breath is removed, life is gone .... the soul is dead and return to dust.

(29) "Thou hidest thy face, they are troubled: thou takest away their breath, they die, and return to their dust." - Psalms 104:29 (KJV)

frosbel: ^^^^

You still haven't posted the source of the article you copied off the Internet , do the right thing so that I don't have to post the link myself.

Bobbysworld28: Spirit = mental disposition?

This frosbel is a clown. See hw conveniently side-stepped my questions.

Freksy:

Soul as used in Gen 2:7 simply means, 'Man, with life in him'. It's a result of some things that were put together - dust from the ground and breath of life from God. Note the word, "became"

man of dust and( + ) breath of life became( = ) A living Soul/being/creature

And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul. Gen 2:7 (KJV)

"And the Lord God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living being. - Gen 2:7 (NKJV)

And Jehovah God formeth the man -- dust from the ground, and breatheth into his nostrils breath of life, and the man becometh a living creature. - Gen (YLT)



It was the breath from God that gave life to the body.



Soul as used in the bible means --- life, person, animal. Also, the bible shows that soul has blood, can eat, sin and die....yes, you are a soul.




Soul can be destroyed by God......Humans, animals, even inanimate things too, can also destroy soul.

"And they smote all the souls that were therein with the edge of the sword , utterly destroying them: there was not any left to breathe: and he burnt Hazor with fire" Joshua 11:11 - KJV

However, God is the only one that can destroy soul in hell or gehenna.... the only one that can destroy man with his future life's prospect.




Paul was referring to the spirit, soul, and body of the composite Christian church in Thessalonica. Instead of simply praying that the church be preserved, he prayed for the preservation of its "spirit," or mental disposition. He also prayed for its "soul," its life, or existence, and for its "body"- the composite body of anointed Christians. (1 Cor. 12:12, 13) The prayer thus highlights Paul's intense concern for the church.



What God put in the lifeless man/soul was life-giving and sustaining breath from Him. When the breath is removed, life is gone .... the soul is dead and return to dust.

(29) "Thou hidest thy face, they are troubled: thou takest away their breath, they die, and return to their dust." - Psalms 104:29 (KJV)

Chibuebem: chai. I disagree. There's nothing mental about the spirit of man. The spirit is what gives man life. The soul is the mind, with its will and emotions; the intellect. Salvation of the soul is a continual process, done with Gods word. The breath of life is mans spirit that enabled man to become a living soul. Man is a spirit that has a soul, and lives in a body. These three parts are seperate and distinct. The spirit allows man to know and interact with the real realm, the spiritual realm. The body the physical realm, the soul(mind, with its will and emotions; the intellect) the emotional realm

frosbel:

MAN is not a SPIRIT Pal.

GOD is a Spirit.

Stop this PAGANISM.

God gave MAN the breath of LIFE or spirit , which when integrated with our BODY produces a SOUL.

Go back to Genesis 2:7 and stop this contradiction of the Bible.

Chibuebem: chai. I disagree. There's nothing mental about the spirit of man. The spirit is what gives man life. The soul is the mind, with its will and emotions; the intellect. Salvation of the soul is a continual process, done with Gods word. The breath of life is mans spirit that enabled man to become a living soul. Man is a spirit that has a soul, and lives in a body. These three parts are seperate and distinct. The spirit allows man to know and interact with the real realm, the spiritual realm. The body the physical realm, the soul(mind, with its will and emotions; the intellect) the emotional realm

frosbel: ^^^


What do you understand by being born again ?

frosbel:

Hmm, souls that are dead cannot be living in heaven, it is symbolic language, otherwise we have to agree that abels blood is actually crying from the ground.


"But the LORD said, "What have you done? Listen! Your brother's blood cries out to me from the ground!" - Genesis 4:10

benalvino:

One question... Or maybe some what do you understand by evil spirit? Are they life? Why did the diciples thought Jesus was a spirit talking to them? Will you say they were talking to the breath of God or they are talking to life? The diciples believe in spirits... The soul and the spirit are very similar but can be divided... Body soul and spirit are seperate... Spirit and soul are used interchangeably which means they are very similar as the word image and likeness are used interchangeably...

Chibuebem: evil spirits are demons. The disciples thought they were talking to Jesus' ghost(or spirit). Spirit and soul are very close, in that most times what applies to one applies to the other. When God breathed into man, it means he put a spirit into man.

Chibuebem: evil spirits are demons. The disciples thought they were talking to Jesus' ghost(or spirit). Spirit and soul are very close, in that most times what applies to one applies to the other. When God breathed into man, it means he put a spirit into man.

benalvino:

So we are saying same thing then... Spirit have personality that's why Jesus told them he is not spirit. The when you destroy the soul then the spirit of that person dies... That's something only God can do.

frosbel:

LIE.

Genesis 2:7
New International Version (NIV)
7 Then the Lord God formed a man[a] from the dust of the ground and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life, and the man became a living being.


God breathed the breath of life into MAN , not a spirit.

frosbel:


where is the confusion? Bible says U can destroy the body not the soul and only God can destroy the soul. so what does that mean?

As U say soul and body is same thing?

benalvino:

So we are saying same thing then... Spirit have personality that's why Jesus told them he is not spirit. The when you destroy the soul then the spirit of that person dies... That's something only God can do.

frosbel:

sorry , i dey work

I will put it better than the writer to convey the message.

MAN is a living SOUL who has a curse of death hanging over him due to transgression of ADAM.

When MAN dies his SOUL dies , his spirit goes back to GOD and his body to the dust.

Without the resurrection MAN has no hope of rising from the grave. At the resurrection he will be raised bodily by the spirit of GOD, only this time, the life will be eternal in an incorruptible body , our current body will be changed in the twinkling of an eye , we will become eternally existent souls.

"In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed" - 1 Corinthians 15:52

Hope this makes some sense.

Chibuebem: your last sentence is a little shady, but yes, we're on the same page.

benalvino:
When someone dies the soul goes to spirit goes to God if it is wicked soul it goes to hades... God said dont fear men who destroy the body but fear he that destroys the soul. If your soul is destroyed body and spirit cannot exist... If your body is destroyed soul and spirit exist... You understand?

frosbel: Lady and gents , we are getting ourselves all mixed up here.

The clue to our problem is in 1 Peter 3:18 ;

" he was put to death in the body but made alive in the Spirit "

It was by God's Spirit that Jesus was raised from the dead ,and it was by this same Spirit that the worlds were created and the gospel preached to the wicked who lived in the time of Noah. How do we know this :

Genesis 6:3 - " And The Lord said my Spirit will not always strive with man ".

Here we see God through his Spirit striving with Man unto repentance , and this was supported through the preaching of Noah who the bible says was a preacher of righteousness.

To further buttress my point , read this :

Ephesians 4:30 - Do not grieve the Holy Spirit of God by whom you were sealed for the day of redemption.


Though Jesus, Noah , Moses, Peter and Paul ( to name a few ) preached the Gospel of the Kingdom of God , it was the Spirit of GOD who did the work of conviction , sealing and salvation of those who repented.

2 crucial points :

1. The Spirit of GOD converts sinners - John 3:8
2. The Spirit of GOD strives with sinners , in some cases , until they die.

Back to our point, did Jesus go and preach to the spirits in prison, and who were these spirits in prison ?

In bible language sinners are said to be enslaved to their lusts, in the prison of darkness or chains of darkness as is the case with demons. This does not mean they are in a literal prison, it means they are imprisoned by their wickedness and evil.

"There were those who dwelt in darkness and in the shadow of death, Prisoners in misery and chains, , because they rebelled against God's commands and despised the plans of the Most High.Some sat in darkness and in the shadow" - Psalm 107:11

"And you will be a light to guide the nations.to open the eyes that are blind, to bring out the prisoners from the dungeon, from the prison those who sit in darkness." - Isaiah 42:6b-7


I hope this confirms that sinners and fallen angels are in a state of imprisonment in the realm of darkness, though they may be presently alive.


Conclusion : 1 Peter 3;19

"By which also he went and preached unto the spirits in prison;" - 1 Peter 3:19

The key word here being By which.

It was by this Spirit of GOD that the gospel was preached to the wicked during the time of Noah, it was not Jesus himself who directly preached to these people , who are long gone, dead and buried , all waiting for judgement day.

Let's be clear about one thing, if Jesus only preached to those who died during the time of Noah, then it was a serious injustice to the countless millions who lived in other eras before Christ, by deduction we know this is not true.

Secondly , there is no chance of salvation after death ! Impossible , for the bible says :

"And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgement:" - Hebrews 9:27

This verse alone totally obliterates any attempt to pretend that the 'spirit's who lived in the time of Noah had another chance at salvation.


Hope this helps.

hisblud: Confusion! On one hand you claim man dies, spirit returns to dust-hence nothing survives after death, on the other, you claim spirits [sinners and demons] are in a prison for judgement which Christ went to preach

Bobbysworld28: So God is a spirit.
The Holy Spirit is a person.
Jesus yielded his spirit (meaning he had a spirit)
There are evil spirits.

Yet d spirit of man is just a breath?


Christ is our widom & in one of his teachings he talked about Lazarus & the rich man.
For me that settles it. There is a life after death.
Eat ur heart out frosbel, i will believe Jesus over u anytime