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Re: What Did Pope Francis Really Mean By "Who Am I To Judge Gay People"? by crackhouse(m): 6:47pm On Jul 30, 2013
Yungwizzzy: call a spade a spade Pope. all homosexuals are going to hell!!
same as fornicators, robbers, killers, liars and so on which i am sure you can't deny to be in at least one of the listed ones, so don't talk as if you are sure of heaven.
Re: What Did Pope Francis Really Mean By "Who Am I To Judge Gay People"? by elampiro(m): 6:55pm On Jul 30, 2013
livebullet:

...this one no jus understand english(sorry to say) the pope didnt say dnt preach against homosexuality as u analogized
'preaching against sin' to. the Pope has only said... Gays(those who have tendency of same sex attraction SSA) who seek God(seeking God means ur not living in sin of homosexuality- in this context). Note i think when we say "homosexuals" by usage we mean both doz who practice the act n doz who have tendencies(som guys r not attracted to females- its a psychological disorder). How would u judge(discriminate) a sick person who has a condition but doz not practice it. like u said in 2005 Benedict signed a document preventin ppl with gay tendencies(note; not gay adulterers). Now the Pope has not removed that rule. Rather he condemns the sin but not the sinner or the person with a condition to lov a man(but who decides to forsake his base desires to serve God). Ok tell me where he has gon wrong? NO OTHER CHURCH OPPOSES HOMOSEXUALITY LEGALISATION...OR ABORTION LEGALISATION like the Catholic church. WHEN AMERICAN PENTECOSTAL CHURCHES AND EVANGELICAL CHURCHES FELL for the gay debate, ONLY THE CATHOLIC CHURCH HAS REMAINED STANDING AGAINST IT FOR OVER 13yrs now....Y Must u people always make mountains out of anthills...Francis is a humble pope who doesnt like media attention, yet u ppl always give him a tag n front page him...Y?

Firstly, I want to ask you why a Pope's words would have to be reinterpreted or explained? Did we ever have to for once come out to defend Pope John Paul's comment in his 25 years reign?

Secondly, you probably don't know much about Pope Francis. He is too controversial. I don't just want to go into his past comments. If he is inexperienced he should go and seek advise. Pope Benedict is still alive.
Re: What Did Pope Francis Really Mean By "Who Am I To Judge Gay People"? by Adrenaline123(m): 7:06pm On Jul 30, 2013
Yungwizzzy: call a spade a spade Pope. all homosexuals are going to hell!!
is it only homosexualism that leads to hell, even if a perosn is a saint then he steals 5 naira, he is also a candidate of hell. Nothing unclean will enter heaven.
Re: What Did Pope Francis Really Mean By "Who Am I To Judge Gay People"? by oluagness(m): 7:19pm On Jul 30, 2013
mediachirps: he knows he is a gay too so, he shouldn't judge. he's scared of words, cause those words will be indirectly for him too. a clergy man who can't stand for the words of God he preaches. don't he's Bible has that portion that says " nor homosexual will inherit the kingdom of God " that's why they hardly preach about heaven and hell fire in Catholics.
which other church is preaching heaven / hell? Catholic is number one, don't take catholic for prosperity exclamation church.
Re: What Did Pope Francis Really Mean By "Who Am I To Judge Gay People"? by Pdizzle(m): 7:28pm On Jul 30, 2013
Judge nt..bt am confused on dis one o
Re: What Did Pope Francis Really Mean By "Who Am I To Judge Gay People"? by ravgach: 7:29pm On Jul 30, 2013
The Pope is a moral authority. He represents Christ or so we think. We must not find it difficult to know where he is standing at every given time. He should certainly judge as the vicar of Christ. Jesus did denounce the scribes and pharisees in His days. We cannot be dancing around a monster that is threating the very fabric of the body of Christ.

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Re: What Did Pope Francis Really Mean By "Who Am I To Judge Gay People"? by elampiro(m): 7:37pm On Jul 30, 2013
ravgach: The Pope is a moral authority. He represents Christ or so we think. We must not find it difficult to know where he is standing at every given time. He should certainly judge as the vicar of Christ. Jesus did denounce the scribes and pharisees in His days. We cannot be dancing around a monster that is threating the very fabric of the body of Christ.

Well said.
Re: What Did Pope Francis Really Mean By "Who Am I To Judge Gay People"? by oiseworld: 8:01pm On Jul 30, 2013
livebullet:

pls tell me the interview questions n the popes response...i can swear u wer too lazy to read on the internet. Thats how u ppl read one section of the bible n take it out of context. I wont waste words on u. i will rather u open ur faculty of reason to argue more objectively, n speak like u got a useful education bro!

Now I know the source of your hypocrisy, youve got some education. So you always put your education to use when ever you're interpreting the Bible. Guy, it doesn't work like that.

The Bible is black and white so take your stand and stop greasing the word to suit your selfish interest. God judges from the heart. Lusting after a woman is sin as far as the kingdom is concerned.

so why give the whole issue a tot? why give those with tendencies to become gay an opportunity to serve in the church when they are still romancing with sin.

I advice you read your Bible with keen interest next time so u know how to interpret it.

Good luck on your shallow defense.
Re: What Did Pope Francis Really Mean By "Who Am I To Judge Gay People"? by free2ryhme: 8:07pm On Jul 30, 2013
DO YOU SEE THE ERROR OF YOUR WAYS PEOPLE GRAVEN IMAGES OF SOMETHING THAT IS IN HEAVEN!!!!  OF WHICH GOD SPECIFICALLY FORBIDS
Re: What Did Pope Francis Really Mean By "Who Am I To Judge Gay People"? by emerald83(f): 8:24pm On Jul 30, 2013
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hey, don't diss catholics. Its against the rules to insult people. Don't judge unless u also want to be judged
Re: What Did Pope Francis Really Mean By "Who Am I To Judge Gay People"? by hardeihorlar(f): 8:46pm On Jul 30, 2013
shumax:
Yes i am a catholic and proud of it, I am also praying that the day when a pro gay pope will be elected will never come; but even at that Gay people have never been stoped from recieving the sacraments if they lead chaste lives, the catholic church has always said having homosexual tendencies is not a sin, it is a temptation and we all face temptation, but the sin is in given in to the homosexual act. Dominus vosbiscum
Et cum Spiritu tuo my brother. Tnx 4 d enlightenment
Re: What Did Pope Francis Really Mean By "Who Am I To Judge Gay People"? by omicron(m): 8:53pm On Jul 30, 2013
Yungwizzzy: call a spade a spade Pope. all homosexuals are going to hell!!
same as all "practising heterosexuals" who are not married, and indeed all sinners. Socially, homosexuality is a far more grave practice. However, spiritually it carries same consequence.

The way people react to issues of homosexuality in christendom surprises me. We fornicate, we masturbate, we practise adultery, some of us have done incest, yet others have done murder, while yet others are doing homosexuality. We are all the same -spiritually.

If we do not repent, we will ALL go to hell. I see nothing wrong in the Pope's utterances. Except if you are looking through coloured glasses.

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Re: What Did Pope Francis Really Mean By "Who Am I To Judge Gay People"? by kliq(m): 8:58pm On Jul 30, 2013
Only God can judge
Re: What Did Pope Francis Really Mean By "Who Am I To Judge Gay People"? by livebullet(m): 9:02pm On Jul 30, 2013
oiseworld:

Now I know the source of your hypocrisy, youve got some education. So you always put your education to use when ever you're interpreting the Bible. Guy, it doesn't work like that.

The Bible is black and white so take your stand and stop greasing the word to suit your selfish interest. God judges from the heart. Lusting after a woman is sin as far as the kingdom is concerned.

so why give the whole issue a tot? why give those with tendencies to become gay an opportunity to serve in the church when they are still romancing with sin.

I advice you read your Bible with keen interest next time so u know how to interpret it.
Good luck on your shallow defense.

social media proliferation: now anybody can "talk"... even some who still visit a psychiatrist...what a "free" world we living in indeed!... Mr man u better go complete ur half protestant(rebel) bible b4 u gush out rubbish! Bloody protestant!
Re: What Did Pope Francis Really Mean By "Who Am I To Judge Gay People"? by livebullet(m): 9:03pm On Jul 30, 2013
Re: What Did Pope Francis Really Mean By "Who Am I To Judge Gay People"? by livebullet(m): 9:04pm On Jul 30, 2013
oiseworld:

Now I know the source of your hypocrisy, youve got some education. So you always put your education to use when ever you're interpreting the Bible. Guy, it doesn't work like that.

The Bible is black and white so take your stand and stop greasing the word to suit your selfish interest. God judges from the heart. Lusting after a woman is sin as far as the kingdom is concerned.

so why give the whole issue a tot? why give those with tendencies to become gay an opportunity to serve in the church when they are still romancing with sin.

I advice you read your Bible with keen interest next time so u know how to interpret it.

Good luck on your shallow defense.

social media proliferation: now anybody can "talk"... even some who still visit a psychiatrist...what a "free" world we living in indeed!... Mr man u better go complete ur half protestant(rebel) bible b4 u gush out rubbish! Bloody protestant!... catholics r talkin, u sef wan talk! who give u license?
Re: What Did Pope Francis Really Mean By "Who Am I To Judge Gay People"? by loswhite(m): 9:06pm On Jul 30, 2013
datChelseaBoy: [b]I love this Pope so much because of the way he thinks, though I'm not a Catholic. He has this humility and wisdom that makes him stand out among other world leaders and former Popes. That was why he was able to attract a world record crowd of over three million in Brazil last Sunday. I support what he said. Though he clearly disapproves of homosexuality in its entirety, he believes that homosexuals who are truly repentant and remorseful should be allowed to seek the face of God in the Church. Even Jesus himself forgave an adultress and a condemned robber during his lifetime. The Church (and the society at large) should not reject or condemn such people instead it should welcome them with open arms and show them love and kindness. Afterall they were not the ones that chose to be gay, they were born into it.


Once again let me repeat, for the sake of those who find it difficult to understand even the simplest of things and those who like to make mountains out of anthills, the POPE DOES NOT SUPPORT GAY MARRIAGE OR HOMOSEXUALITY. ALL HE IS SAYING IS THAT THE SOCIETY SHOULD NOT REJECT THEM. HE IS SAYING THAT THEY SHOULD BE INTEGRATED INTO THE SOCIETY AND OFFERED HELP [/b]
are gays asking 4 help? Gay as a minority is forcing their way of life in the society and u are talking abt help and integrate ... U funny o
Re: What Did Pope Francis Really Mean By "Who Am I To Judge Gay People"? by free2ryhme: 9:15pm On Jul 30, 2013
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how is that an error
Re: What Did Pope Francis Really Mean By "Who Am I To Judge Gay People"? by fedimol: 9:18pm On Jul 30, 2013
mediachirps: he knows he is a gay too so, he shouldn't judge. he's scared of words, cause those words will be indirectly for him too. a clergy man who can't stand for the words of God he preaches. don't he's Bible has that portion that says " nor homosexual will inherit the kingdom of God " that's why they hardly preach about heaven and hell fire in Catholics.

Your use of English makes the crap you typed here "crappier" than it already is
Re: What Did Pope Francis Really Mean By "Who Am I To Judge Gay People"? by Nobody: 9:21pm On Jul 30, 2013
YOU CAN HAMMER UNA SEFS MAN AND MAN ....WOMAN AND WOMAN ...HE DOESN't GIVE A DAAAAAMN NA UNA SABI NA GOD GO JUDGE UNA INHUMAN ACT :!!!!
Re: What Did Pope Francis Really Mean By "Who Am I To Judge Gay People"? by free2ryhme: 9:26pm On Jul 30, 2013
datChelseaBoy: I love this Pope so much because of the way he thinks, though I'm not a Catholic. He has this humility and wisdom that makes him stand out among other world leaders and former Popes. That was why he was able to attract a world record crowd of over three million in Brazil last Sunday. I support what he said. Though he clearly disapproves of homosexuality in its entirety, he believes that homosexuals who are truly repentant and remorseful should be allowed to seek the face of God in the Church. Even Jesus himself forgave an adultress and a condemned robber during his lifetime.
The Church (and the society at large) should not reject or condemn such people instead it should welcome them with open arms and show them love and kindness. Afterall they were not the ones that chose to be gay, they were born into it.
Once again let me repeat, for the sake of those who find it difficult to understand even the simplest of things and those who like to make mountains out of anthills, the POPE DOES NOT SUPPORT GAY MARRIAGE OR HOMOSEXUALITY. ALL HE IS SAYING IS THAT THE SOCIETY SHOULD NOT REJECT THEM. HE IS SAYING THAT THEY SHOULD BE INTEGRATED INTO THE SOCIETY AND OFFERED HELP



He clearly disapprove of Homos but what happens to priest that are culpable of this act .. About born into gay I clearly disapprove. Just as a thief was not born a thief or a sinner not born a sinner so you cannot be born into gay. Being gay is a choice you make sames the choice you make to steal, rob or sin

What help can you offer to someone who has made up his/her mind to be gay
Re: What Did Pope Francis Really Mean By "Who Am I To Judge Gay People"? by abouzaid: 9:39pm On Jul 30, 2013
loswhite: are gays asking 4 help? Gay as a minority is forcing their way of life in the society and u are talking abt help and integrate ... U funny o
bros,the catholic church teaches that gays are troubled ppl who need help and that is the truth. A man is supposed to have sexual feelings for a woman not his fellow men. So gays need psychological and moral help and reintragation into the society not violence and condemnation. But when a gay is proud of his sins and lobby for it to be recognised as his right, then he needs a jail term on top of the forced psychological help.the truth is that many ppl need psychological help but the pentecostal / evangelical would rather call it a spiritual attack. I still remember a pentecostal copper that is now mad cos her church members would rather call a pastor to pray for her rather than forcing her take the medication given to her at the local FMC. The truth is that even many thieves,liars,rapists etc need psychological help and moral support from their local churches not condemnation or deliverance from any evil spirit. This is my final response to u.
Re: What Did Pope Francis Really Mean By "Who Am I To Judge Gay People"? by Nobody: 9:44pm On Jul 30, 2013
kokoye: He means he is not God.

Who are we to judge when we are not God?

Instead of judging, pray for them.

the topic should have been locked with this post!!

SPOT ON!! cool cool
Re: What Did Pope Francis Really Mean By "Who Am I To Judge Gay People"? by Bome01(m): 9:46pm On Jul 30, 2013
Yungwizzzy: call a spade a spade Pope. all homosexuals are going to hell!!
Who u be to decide who go go hell and who no go?

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Re: What Did Pope Francis Really Mean By "Who Am I To Judge Gay People"? by Bome01(m): 9:50pm On Jul 30, 2013
How would Jesus have seen Gays?
Re: What Did Pope Francis Really Mean By "Who Am I To Judge Gay People"? by Ubenedictus(m): 10:10pm On Jul 30, 2013
oiseworld:


Repentant? Yes !!!
Unrepentant? Very soon.!!!
grin

so you think gay people who "accept the lord and his teaching and are of goodwill" are unrepentant?
Re: What Did Pope Francis Really Mean By "Who Am I To Judge Gay People"? by shumax: 10:22pm On Jul 30, 2013
Agbalanze: My question is....... Can someone accept the lord and have good will and at the same time, be a gay? better still, is there anything like (born again)gay christian??
while i dont understand what you mean by your questions i can only say that the catholic churches teaches that Homosexual inclination is a temptation like all other temptations and as catholics chastity is recommended for the person
Re: What Did Pope Francis Really Mean By "Who Am I To Judge Gay People"? by shumax: 10:24pm On Jul 30, 2013
superior1: If he is able to issue e-forgiveness for his followers on twitter, why not e-judge them to? Atleast, it takes you to judge and acknowledge someone sin before you can forgive them.

I think the pope is trying to play safe by sitting on the fence
the pope never issued e forgiveness is that possible, and there is nothing like playing safe the scriptures and catechism of the catholic church is clear on the issue not even the pope can change that
Re: What Did Pope Francis Really Mean By "Who Am I To Judge Gay People"? by Jmacke(m): 10:26pm On Jul 30, 2013
Yungwizzzy: call a spade a spade Pope. all homosexuals are going to hell!!
All sinners are going to Hell, not only homosexuals!
Re: What Did Pope Francis Really Mean By "Who Am I To Judge Gay People"? by shumax: 10:26pm On Jul 30, 2013
akande.james:


Do you know this is the same sin some generations were completely destroyed for ...sodom and Gomorrah to be precise. if the number one Christian in the world, a supposed representative of God on earth makes this kinda statement, Mr shummax we don't need epistles to understand a single phrase from the Pope. in one word, wait for God's retribution if u don't desist from this sacrilege
it is obvious you didnt read the whole post
Re: What Did Pope Francis Really Mean By "Who Am I To Judge Gay People"? by Hopcy(m): 10:40pm On Jul 30, 2013
supaeagles: The pope's message is simple : "dislike the sin and not the sinner" .... after all who amongst us is without sin??
No body my broda. Dose dat say He (Jesus)PBUH) die 4 dia sin are stil sinners. May God 4gve all our sins. Aameen
Re: What Did Pope Francis Really Mean By "Who Am I To Judge Gay People"? by Daresh(f): 10:46pm On Jul 30, 2013
I agree with Pope Francis on this one. I dont understand the hatred for gays as if we all are not sinners. The bible clearly state that we are all sinners and have fallen short of his glory. And it also says "He without sin cast the first stone". I dont support gays or gay marriage, but I also do not support racism or any type of hate. Or even any type of sin.

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