EMW01:
KDF training their future enemies.

Reminiscent of the 2009 -2010 period when kenya trained 000s of Somali troops who would later alshabaab

kabe1:


This report has since been debunked by both the Ugandan government and the Chinese government.

Chinese loans are no traps. The US government also owes china more than 1 Trillion dollars in loans.

dragon2:


Hence the statement "If true".
Concerning the U.S. It's a completely different story if you print the money in the world's most powerful and productive country. The pieces are on your table.
You can't really owe somebody money you print,and you can sanction that money back into your coffers trump style.

kabe1:


You already concluded it was a "Chinese debt honey trap".

On the US, your comment is false. The US cannot print money whenever it feels like, that's not how fiscal and monetary policy works.

dragon2:

Never head of QE, quantitative easing? Fancy way of printing cash out of thin air without actually printing physical cash. Devalues a currency. Everybody suffers but the most productive nation remains and you lose the value of your credit. It's a stick the U.S. could use.
Very large low interest rate debts to financially unproductive and reckless states with money of which very little stays in the state I would classify as a debt trap.

Borrowing money to a successful business man is good business for both. Borrowing to a drunkard and serial gambler with large assets is to set up a trap for him.

kabe1:


None of which is the case with Uganda.

dragon2:

Very well then

dragon2:
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.theeastafrican.co.ke/tea/business/uganda-to-spend-97pc-of-domestic-revenue-on-debt-repayments-3286354%3fview=htmlamp

Stargate254:
Yeah, I thought about it too when I saw the pictures. But the 2009 move was a cluster fvck, , there was no structure, we just trained ppl and send them back. But this time there is a legitimate govt with its own structures and has been fighting the enemy for some time now.
And what choice does KDF have. If you listened to the CDF of KDF interview on how the recent maritime ruling by ICJ will affect KDF operations and relations in Somalia going forward .. you could deduce that his thinking was right now Alkebab is the real and current enemy ...
It's better to deal with an aggressive but legitimate and conventional state/nation than ragtag militia that will use any means necessary to achieve their goals including targeting civilians.

EMW01:


I would think it would be the other way round. By its very nature of been an extremist organization alshabaab is unlikely to gain much external support and thus is limited to controlling somali territory and staging terror attacks against civilians. This is a credible but not existential threat. An aggressive legitimate somali government is able to get external support. For example in case of any future clash it may obtain military support ( e.g drones from Turkey) that may give it a military edge. Majority Muslim countries would also likely rally behind and provide covert or overt military support.

This is just my opinion but we are making a terrible mistake in terms of our threat assessment. Any counter terrorism operations by "occupational forces" have largely failed world over ( cc. Afghanistan, Vietnam). We should gradually pull out and let SNA do the bulk of the fighting and dying.

I would propose that KDF in future be limited to providing a robust border defence and mobile ground and air forces that can preemptively destroy any concentrations of militants at least 100km from our border. But other than that let the SNA deal with alshabaab, prolonged occupation is unlikely to ever result in success.

SuperSixSeven:


A very unhealty development.

EMW01:


I would think it would be the other way round. By its very nature of been an extremist organization alshabaab is unlikely to gain much external support and thus is limited to controlling somali territory and staging terror attacks against civilians. This is a credible but not existential threat. An aggressive legitimate somali government is able to get external support. For example in case of any future clash it may obtain military support ( e.g drones from Turkey) that may give it a military edge. Majority Muslim countries would also likely rally behind and provide covert or overt military support.

This is just my opinion but we are making a terrible mistake in terms of our threat assessment. Any counter terrorism operations by "occupational forces" have largely failed world over ( cc. Afghanistan, Vietnam). We should gradually pull out and let SNA do the bulk of the fighting and dying.

I would propose that KDF in future be limited to providing a robust border defence and mobile ground and air forces that can preemptively destroy any concentrations of militants at least 100km from our border. But other than that let the SNA deal with alshabaab, prolonged occupation is unlikely to ever result in success.

shadowprimezero:
SANDF Mozambique

RiceProducers:


This means Uganda is slack at collecting revenue. This problem should not be viewed with a one track mind. You should be collecting at least 20% of your GDP as revenue. For Uganda this should be $6bn every year

kabe1:


You already concluded it was a "Chinese debt honey trap".

Stargate254:
Countries that are agrarian based with not much value addition have a hard time quantifying and collecting taxes. Unlike other economies that are industrial and service based.

Toju200:
Meanwhile in Nigeria

kabe1:
Vice President of Nigeria Professor Yemi Osibanjo (GCON) visits Nigeria's most modern Locally built warship, SDB 3 ahead of Launch.

kabe1:
Vice President of Nigeria Professor Yemi Osibanjo (GCON) visits Nigeria's most modern Locally built warship, SDB 3 ahead of Launch.

SuperSixSeven:

I have a high opinion about Yemi Osibanjo, he represents Nigeria better than Buhari who has been seen rarely outside of Aso Rock for a year or so.

BlackBaron:

Will be interesting if they can publish challenges during the process of construction such as materials, machinery at al (local outsourcing)
and make it possible for private companies to invest and make the next construction smoother and quicker.

RiceProducers:


This means Uganda is slack at collecting revenue. This problem should not be viewed with a one track mind. You should be collecting at least 20% of your GDP as revenue. For Uganda this should be $6bn every year

Mzal3ndo:

You know I was thinking about this the other day and it kinda came and struck me a bit. For this lets take Tanzania as a case study. The GDP ppp of Tanzania in 2019 was $150B. If Tanzania was effective at collecting taxes she should be collecting at least $30B per year. Also taking account that 40% of the Tanzanian economy is informal (unregistered and unregulated) her true GDP ppp figure should be something like $210B in 2019.
So what can she and the rest of the continent do for better tax collecting? Going fully digital and ditching paper money for Transactions. And with my rough estimation this could be a game changer for a lot of countries. I did a rough number analysis of the public transportation in Dar es salaam. About 4M people use public transport in Dar es salaam, with Tsh.800 as the go and return fare on average, is the state had a complete digital payment system, also collecting 30% of the total revenue (1USD=Tsh.2300 average) the state could be collecting close to $150M per year in revenue.
The average cost of building a tarmacked road in Tanzania is $500K and Dar es salaam having approximately 600km of unpaved road, they could have enough money to pave all roads in 2 years. Imagine if we did this in every sector of the economy, with good money managment Africa could have better infrastructure at 0 debt compared to first world countries.