deeptesting:

I still repeat the fact that 3 billion Naira cannot be spent to build a bridge that trucks cannot safely climb and heavy duty trucks cannot ply....Now using the life span to justify the ban of trucks on he bridge is just ridiculous when you and I know that it is the continuous maintenance of the bridge that will prolong its life span and not the plying of the trucks on it, if at all 3 billion was spent on it..

deeptesting:

I still repeat the fact that 3 billion Naira cannot be spent to build a bridge that trucks cannot safely climb and heavy duty trucks cannot ply....Now using the life span to justify the ban of trucks on the bridge is just ridiculous when you and I know that it is the continuous maintenance of the bridge that will prolong its life span and not the plying of the trucks on it, if at all 3 billion was spent on it..

ACM10: 3 billion NAIRA for this barrier? Who says that APC is less corrupt than PDP?

wellmax:

You have learnt how to read, next learn how to comprehend.
Where did you hear them say the barrier cost N3B?
The barrier was meant to prevent heavy duty vehicles from using the flyover since there is an alternative route for them (a common practice all over Nigeria).
Its a pity how we politicize everything.

kobenol:
In short bros. I'm a Civil Engineer, and I dare say that Mokola Flyover is of Quality Standard (see my post above), based on the simple reason that it achieves it's aims and objective - Provide a fast through from Mokola to Adamasingba. That aspect of cost, I wish the working drawings and other blueprints were public documents and would gladly work to estimate the cost. Else I can't provide a judgement on contract sum.
By the way...one question for you. How much does a car cost?
Ans.: A 100,000 Naira? A Million bucks? or A hundred million bucks maybe?
My answer would be..."depends on the model".

Pukkah:

Do you have the cost components? Do you have the BOQ?

What if it can actually support trucks but they've barred trucks for reasons other than structural strength?

Do you know that heavy duty trucks are also banned from plying 3rd Mainland Bridge?

Pukkah:

This says it all.

There was a thread on which I questioned the average sum of about N144million which Peter Obi of Anambra planned to spend on some roads.

Many posters said that the cost was reasonable.

I left the thread because I didn't have the facts to support my feelings.

It's as simple as that.

The next level which our people should move to is to ask the government (state, local and federal) for the cost components or material/labour/overhead sheets of all public works. Or why do we have the FOI? Then the experts in each work area can analyze the information and compare to what's on ground in order to confirm value for money.

I like the way people are querying the cost of the bridge but we should rely on facts and not subjective judgement.

Gbawe:

Haba !!! For god sake !!! Listen to yourself and stop to ponder the ignorance of your utterance. Why must a condensed and built up City centre host a bridge accommodating HGVs (Heavy goods vehicles) and trucks? Some of you should think of what you are saying !!! Worldwide, how many HGVs do you see in densely built up City centres?

Even a well-travelled or well-read child will appreciate the rudiments of urban planning to know that HGVs, are discouraged from routes taking them through built-up areas as much as possible using many restrictive measures to include height, weight, width and even toll restrictions !!!

Absolutely inane therefore to suggest town planners must factor HGVs and trucks into their calculations, as if such vehicles are in the prime user category, when planning elevated structures in cramped city centres.

The utterance that bridges, especially in heavily built-up areas, must serve all vehicles is one of the most ridiculous things I have ever heard. How can a bridge be substandard because it was not designed or structurally fortified to cater for HGVs? Do we not have literally many thousand examples of such height/weight and width restricted structures worldwide that HGVs and trucks should not use? I guess the road below is "sub-standard". Nonsense.

deeptesting:

The ban on Heavy duty trucks on 3rd mainland bridge came into effect on 01/03/07, years after it was built and this was due to the neglect of the bridge by the authorities up until the vibrations on the bridge became noticeable by motorists plying the bridge..The ban affects only heavy-duty vehicles like trailers and tankers above 10 tonnes...

agbameta:


Again, the amount spent on any bridge has nothing to do with what's allowed or not on any bridge based on safety and longevity. Even if 10 billion was spent on the bridge, it doesn't mean that the state should not exercise prudence and safe practices.

So what's your point, spend 1 billion or spend 20 billion and allow everything to ply the bridge and instead of getting 20 years life span, you end up with 5 years...then end up sending billions to rehabilitate or even build another one? Where is the sense and wisdom in your warped argument?

Basically, money spent has has no bearing on safety and getting the best bang for your money.


Btw, are you a traffic or bridge engineer? Are you a contractor? Do you have labor and material cost or data spreadsheet relating to this bridge?

The driver of a Wal-Mart truck misread the height limit to pass under a railroad crossing in Marion County Monday morning at River Road South and Orville Road South, authorities said. He tried to drive through, but jammed his 13 feet, 6 inch tall trailer under a bridge with clearance for vehicles 12 feet, 9 inches or less, according to the Marion County Sheriff's Office.

deeptesting:

Thank for your positive contribution and just to add my 2 cents people should stop the idea of supporting an over bloated cost contract just because they seem to belong to a political party or are supporters of a political party..

deeptesting:

Thank for your positive contribution and just to add my 2 cents people should stop the idea of supporting an over bloated cost contract just because they seem to belong to a political party or are supporters of a political party..

agbameta:


You can not assert that this is an over bloated project simply because you are yet to show us precisely what you based that conclusion. Is it cost comparison with similar project, similar terrain, similar workforce, cost of goods, supplies and materials, cost of labor and so n.

Until you are able to provide all that to back up your warped claims, you are spewing nothing but your own brand of ignorance.

Gbawe:

....and even intangibles such as compensation for demolished buildings/shops/structures et al. Some people are simply led by their bias, whatever such may be, when they contribute opinions.

deeptesting:

When a purported and concocted 3 billion naira is spent on building a bridge that trucks are barred from its usage then it is sub-standard and what is your definition of a standard bridge?

Pukkah:

This says it all.

There was a thread on which I questioned the average sum of about N144million per kilometre which Peter Obi of Anambra planned to spend on some roads.

Many posters said that the cost was reasonable.

I left the thread because I didn't have the facts to support my feelings.

It's as simple as that.

agbameta:


We are even yet to get into all the side expenses before construction sef.


The thing is, I really don't mind honest and sensible criticisms of government actions and spending where applicable, but not when it's based on just lame talk, ignorance and warped thoughts as if the rest of us are just dummies and mumu with no brains.

This is one thing Nairaland has shown me. Nigerians are ignorantly stubborn and never willing to defer to facts, specialist knowledge, superior logic, real examples and proven reality. Go to chat blogs of other African nations. You will find them equally passionate but you will note that contributors ultimately defer to superior logic, facts and proven reality. Not so Nigerians.

Mr Aboki: [b]I still remember how Ndi Yoruba abused me when I said that this Makola[/i] Bridge is what Fashola builds in Lagos and calls it Pedestrian bridge...

So the bridge cant accomodate large vehicles..

3 Billion Naira.. for a One lane Birdge that cant carry large vehicles.

I laugh!!

[/b]

Gbawe:

My brother, I am simply amazed by some responses here. I find it truly worrying for Nigeria. In Britain, and Europe in general, there are height restrictions bridges and barriers, like the one under discussion here, everywhere !!! To gain your drivers licence in Britain you are taught in ways that makes you disciplined plus good at reading and comprehending simple road signals/warnings/alert etc.

Instead of us to wonder the illiteracy and/or sheer recklessness/indiscipline that makes a truck go where it is height-restricted not to travel, some are busy politicising this act of madness that is only an indictment of how backward and self-destructive Nigerians are. This is a killer driver for god sake !!!

When these sort of issues manifest, with a need for all Nigerians to condemn recklessness, indiscipline and/or poor training/assessment of drivers, we are too busy playing politics or clannishly trying to discredit others. Shame it is Nigerians dying like Chickens through the actions of people like this truck driver while those of us educated enough to be societies solutions provider cannot even see what matters let alone make the right decisions or judgement calls.
Tragic.

batstan: All the while i thought u are an intelligent fellow but alas! U 've just shown your height of .............(fill d blank urself). For the records, i am a civil engr

Gbawe:

My brother, I am simply amazed by some responses here. I find it truly worrying for Nigeria. In Britain, and Europe in general, there are height restrictions bridges and barriers, like the one under discussion here, everywhere !!! To gain your drivers licence in Britain you are taught in ways that makes you disciplined plus good at reading and comprehending simple road signals/warnings/alert etc.

Instead of us to wonder the illiteracy and/or sheer recklessness/indiscipline that makes a truck go where it is height-restricted not to travel, some are busy politicising this act of madness that is only an indictment of how backward and self-destructive Nigerians are. This is a killer driver for god sake !!!

When these sort of issues manifest, with a need for all Nigerians to condemn recklessness, indiscipline and/or poor training/assessment of drivers, we are too busy playing politics or clannishly trying to discredit others. Shame it is Nigerians dying like Chickens through the actions of people like this truck driver while those of us educated enough to be societies solutions provider cannot even see what matters let alone make the right decisions or judgement calls.
Tragic.

deeptesting:

Thank for your positive contribution and just to add my 2 cents people should stop the idea of supporting an over bloated cost contract just because they seem to belong to a political party or are supporters of a political party..

agbameta:


You can not assert that this is an over bloated project simply because you are yet to show us precisely what you based that conclusion on. Is it cost comparison with similar project, similar terrain, similar workforce, cost of goods, supplies and materials, cost of labor and so n.

Until you are able to provide all that to back up your warped claims, you are spewing nothing but your own brand of ignorance.

wellmax:

You have learnt how to read, next learn how to comprehend.
Where did you hear them say the barrier cost N3B?
The barrier was meant to prevent heavy duty vehicles from using the flyover since there is an alternative route for them (a common practice all over Nigeria).
Its a pity how we politicize everything.

dammytosh: That is the problem with ACN and their supporters.

Having lived over 20 years of my life in Ibadan and Mokola environs, I still maintain that COMPARED to the pressing needs in the state, the Fly Over bridge is the most useless project any reasonable Government should embark on, looking at the number of ammenities and basic things the state lacks.

When I saw LCC as the project executor, I now understand that this is the only way Ajimobi is desperate to pay back Tinubu for all the money spent to win the election.

All this useless projects for all to see will take the state no where but make them broke and forever indebted to Tinubu's empire.

So what is the purpose of that barrier after celebrating the commisioning of the bridge, I guess they are waiting to commision the opening of the barrier as a separate project. Bunch of mediocres.

What do you expect in a country where PDP is the main party, Fellow mediocres and morons will stand out.

- My Opinion.

deeptesting:



I am not a witch to fly into the books of the government to get this facts






[s],however,the reason why we have the freedom of information bill so we the people can have access to this information and make informed decisions and favorable criticism about the government as you aspect.So long the government continues to operate in secrecy, we shall continue to speak,write and protest against any obnoxious half truth been peddled by the government and their agents.
We will continue to criticize the activities of those with the constitutional responsibility to lead be it PDP,APC,PDM led government. It is a societal anomaly that has to be corrected to provide a better Nigeria than we met it for our children born and unborn and i employ you to join this band of progressive,non-partisan and true Nigerians to achieve this great feet because history will judge us.[/s]

georgeidoni:

If you have lived that long in Ibadan, you should appreciate the need for a flyover bridge at Mokola Roundabout.What is the situation of traffic at that same roundabout when ever it rains when the traffic police are not around to control the traffic? its always a gridlock, as motorist from the four directions always struggle over right of way. What if the N3b has been stolen with nothing to show? What are Alao Akala and Rasheed Ladoja's legacies in Oyo state? Height barriers are commonplace worldwide; and the one placed on the Mokola flyover is not an indication that the bridge is substandard. I can understand all the hullabaloo. This is the first public flyover bridge in Ibadan, the other being the one that connect the Government House road with the Secretariat.

agbameta:




So you are admitting that you based your rubbish on zero knowledge and you are just subjecting us to your ignorance?

Gbawe:

My brother, I am simply amazed by some responses here. I find it truly worrying for Nigeria. In Britain, and Europe in general, there are height restrictions bridges and barriers, like the one under discussion here, everywhere !!! To gain your drivers licence in Britain you are taught in ways that makes you disciplined plus good at reading and comprehending simple road signals/warnings/alert etc.

Instead of us to wonder the illiteracy and/or sheer recklessness/indiscipline that makes a truck go where it is height-restricted not to travel, some are busy politicising this act of madness that is only an indictment of how backward and self-destructive Nigerians are. This is a killer driver for god sake !!!

When these sort of issues manifest, with a need for all Nigerians to condemn recklessness, indiscipline and/or poor training/assessment of drivers, we are too busy playing politics or clannishly trying to discredit others. Shame it is Nigerians dying like Chickens through the actions of people like this truck driver while those of us educated enough to be societies solutions provider cannot even see what matters let alone make the right decisions or judgement calls.
Tragic.

ngozievergreen:

Go and sit down, nwokem
that bridge is substandard, the barrier is substandard, the amount spent on them outrageous.
Now this is tragic.