Goshen360:

Keep on preaching and teach the gospel of the LAW, we already know those whose are teaching SPIRIT-LED gospel. The law gospel had it time and dispensation, it was UNTIL the promised will come. Now that the promised had come, what are you still doing with a tutor like a child?

New International Version
What I am saying is that as long as an heir is underage, he is no different from a slave, although he owns the whole estate.

New Living Translation
Think of it this way. If a father dies and leaves an inheritance for his young children, those children are not much better off than slaves until they grow up, even though they actually own everything their father had.

Galatians 4:1

OLAADEGBU:

And keep on preaching the lawless gospel for we know those who are filling the pews with false converts.

"The absence of God's holy Law from modern preaching is perhaps as responsible as any other factor for the evangelistic impotence of our churches and missions. Only by the light of the Law can the vermin of sin in the heart be exposed. Satan has effectively used a very clever device to silence the Law, which is needed as an instrument to bring perishing men to Christ.

It is imperative that preachers of today learn how to declare the spiritual Law of God; for, until we learn how to wound the consciences, we shall have no wounds to bind with gospel bandages." Walter Chantry, Today's Gospel: Authentic or Synthetic?

A sinner cannot conceive of the thought that God would send anyone to hell, as long as he is deceived into thinking that God's standard of righteousness is the same as his. Paul "reasoned" with Felix regarding righteousness, temperance, and judgment to come (Acts 24:25). This is the righteousness that is of the Law and judgment by the Law. Felix "trembled" because he suddenly understood that his intemperance made him a guilty sinner in the sight of a holy God. The reality of hell suddenly became reasonable to him when the Law was used to bring the knowledge of sin.

"And as he reasoned of righteousness, temperance and judgment to come Felix trembled, and answered, Go your way for this time; when I have a convenient season, I will call for you" (Acts 24:25) The Evidence Bible.

frosbel:

The Gospel is the good news of the kingdom and was never anything else, however to become part of that kingdom, , the death, resurrection and burial of Jesus were an integral necessity for 3 reasons :

1. Shedding of blood for the remission of our sins, hence forgiveness - no sinner or sin can enter into the kingdom of God , but with the blood of Jesus and obedience to his word, we are assured of eternal salvation.

2. To raise up all who believe in him on the last day in the same manner - only those who are resurrected by Jesus or have their bodies transformed will enter into the kingdom of God, the rest will be judged and destroyed.

3. Breaking down the wall of partition between Jew and Gentile making us all One Body and hence One people who will dwell in peace and love in this new kingdom.

frosbel:


Don't even add your own, your own gospel has nothing to do with the bible, a gospel of fear and threats , a gospel of Men not of Jesus.

For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus has made me free from the law of sin and death

frosbel: : To take away the responsibility of MAN to make a choice between good and evil , between salvation and death , between God and Satan is to turn MAN into an inconsequential robot and truly makes a rubbish of the concept of salvation.

God has not created some for destruction and some for life, God is not unjust , he has provided equal opportunity for ALL to choose life or death.

"This day I call the heavens and the earth as witnesses against you that I have set before you life and death, blessings and curses. Now choose life, so that you and your children may live" - Deuteronomy 30:19

shdemidemi:

Are you sure?


Romans 9
16 It does not, therefore, depend on human desire or effort, but on God’s mercy. 17 For Scripture says to Pharaoh: “I raised you up for this very purpose, that I might display my power in you and that my name might be proclaimed in all the earth.”[g] 18 Therefore God has mercy on whom he wants to have mercy, and he hardens whom he wants to harden.

19 One of you will say to me: “Then why does God still blame us? For who is able to resist his will?” 20 But who are you, a human being, to talk back to God? “Shall what is formed say to the one who formed it, ‘Why did you make me like this?’”[h] 21 Does not the potter have the right to make out of the same lump of clay some pottery for special purposes and some for common use?

shdemidemi: I think the problem you seem to have is boxing God in what YOU call evil and what you call good. Adam and Eve were told they will be like God knowing evil and good- you and I are a victims of that today.


Until we renew our mind and stay within the tangent of scripture, we wld also be the determining factor for knowing good and evil; which is more like challenging what God calls good and evil.


Do you know the best thing God ever did to mankind? It was the shameful slaughter of His son on the tree. You wldn't ever call that good, would u? Especially if you were the mother of Jesus.


Please stick to scriptures and not your five senses that are tightly linked to the fallen man/structure.

ajayikayod:

Bro, I aint squeezing God in a box of evil/good. I m just concern about ur interpretation dt God has preplanned all things both evil and good for everyman and has chosen some to eternal life while others for eternal damnation. That put all events on earth as staged drama.

U hav still not cleared dt interpretations wit d scriptures. Really appreciate if all events and acts in d scriptures can b aligned to one interpretation. Dts wat all can learn from. Thanks.

shdemidemi:


Did God say He rose pharaoh up to destroy him?

Did Jesus not know judas was gonna sell him out?

Did you not see a shadow of that story when Joseph's brothers sold him and he eventually went to prepare a place for them in Egypt, thesame way Christ did?

Does God not know the end from the beginning anymore?


God uses anything even the devil to carry out His will....

We can't reason God out, we can't limit him to our moral standards, we can't subject him to the law.....His ways are far far different from our ways.

The voice of the people as always been different from the voice of God. The voice of God is always isolated.

ayoku777: Hmmm, freewill and pre-destination are two concepts that are in the scriptures. Its a topic I'm so open to explanation about. Hope people who understand it will help iron out the balance.

frosbel:

predestination as Paul taught has nothing to do with certain individuals pre-damned and others pre-saved.

God has predestined those who will exercise their will and believe in the messiah for salvation or to make other choices between good and bad.

idnoble135: Better still, everything a man of God says will be checked from the Word,
but test everything that is said. Hold on to what is
good. 1 Thessalonians 5:21 NLT And from my inner peace
And let the peace (soul harmony which comes) from
Christ rule (act as umpire
continually) in your hearts
[deciding and settling with
finality all questions that arise in
your minds, in that peaceful state] to which as [members of
Christ’s] one body you were
also called [to live]. Col 3:15 AMP

shdemidemi:

Bible reference pls


My bible says it is God who works in us both to do and to WILL......what does your bible say?

frosbel:

It says :

Philippians 2:12
King James Version (KJV)
12 Wherefore, my beloved, as ye have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling.

Note the statement ' work out ' which is not passive but active. In other words we act and obey.

Remember that song, 'Trust and Obey , for there is no other way to be happy in Jesus but to trust and obey '.

The lyrics become irrelevant if our trusting and obeying does not determine our state in Christ.

shdemidemi:


Now that does not mean that they’re going to work for their salvation. They’ve got that already. So what does Paul mean when he says, "Work out your own salvation?" That their salvation become a part and parcel of their everyday experience. And evidently they did, because you know that Christianity turned the Roman empire inside out. How else could it have happened had not these little cells of believers been active in winning others, and that’s the way it went. They didn’t have the big evangelistic campaigns we see today, or the Word of God. So it had to be the miraculous working of the Holy Spirit that these little groups of ex-pagans were now permeating the Roman empire in spite of all of it’s opposition.

The next verse makes an absolute statement and qua lies what the apostle was saying.

frosbel:

Nobody has salvation already !!!

We have a measure of the Spirit which God seals his children with until the last day. However we must endure to the very end to be saved. The 'born again' and 'I am saved' concepts have been completely bastardized in the institutions of men.

"But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved." - Matthew 24:13

"Stand firm, and you will win life." - Luke 21:19

"who through faith are shielded by God's power until the coming of the salvation that is ready to be revealed in the last time." - 1 Peter 1:5





Sorry Bro, your gospel is another gospel and has nothing to do with the words of Jesus.

Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand; By which also ye are saved, ......

Ephesians 2:5
even when we were dead in trespasses, made us alive together with Christ (by grace you have been saved), 6 and raised us up together, and made us sit together in the heavenly places in Christ Jesus, 7 that in the ages to come He might show the exceeding riches of His grace in His kindness toward us in Christ Jesus. 8 For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God, 9 not of works, lest anyone should boast.

frosbel:

It says :

Philippians 2:12
King James Version (KJV)
12 Wherefore, my beloved, as ye have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling.

Note the statement ' work out ' which is not passive but active. In other words we act and obey.

Remember that song, 'Trust and Obey , for there is no other way to be happy in Jesus but to trust and obey '.

The lyrics become irrelevant if our trusting and obeying does not determine our state in Christ.

Goshen360:

Good morning my brother Frosbel,

Please, what does it mean to 'work out' one's own salvation IF ONE IS ALREADY SAVED BY GRACE THROUGH FAITH, NOT OF ONE'S SELF BUT WHICH IS GOD GIFT?

frosbel:

Morning beloved Bro ,

How can we already be saved when the MASTER said that ONLY he who endures to the end will be saved ? Is Jesus contradicting himself ?

Bidam: You are the guy contradicting yourself. Salvation of Man's spirit is instant...salvation of the soul and body is progressive.

Since you don't agree a man has spirit,soul and body,you will keep on becoming confused with ur funny theology.

frosbel:

Morning beloved Bro ,

How can we already be saved when the MASTER said that ONLY he that endures to the end will be saved ? Is Jesus contradicting himself ?

Romans 9
27 Isaiah also cries out concerning Israel:[j]

“Though the number of the children of Israel be as the sand of the sea,
The remnant will be saved.
28 For He will finish the work and cut it short in righteousness,
Because the Lord will make a short work upon the earth.”[k]

Bidam: You are the guy contradicting yourself. Salvation of Man's spirit is instant...salvation of the soul and body is progressive.

Since you don't agree a man has spirit,soul and body,you will keep on becoming confused with ur funny theology.

ayoku777:

Thanks bro, you actually beat me to this explanation. 1Peter 1v9 -Receiving the end of your faith, even the salvation of your souls. The salvation of our souls is the end of our faith, and we are still receiving that, it is progressive. The salvation of our Spirit is the beginning of our faith, and we have received that.

People need to understand the spirit, soul and body division of man, and all are regenerated, reformed and redeemed at different stages of our walk with God. But if your spirit is regenerated, you are saved.