ayoku777: 1Thess 5v23 -And the very God of peace sanctify you wholly; and I pray God your whole spirit and soul and body be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.

We are more than just soul, we are spirit, soul and body. Its obvious from the above scripture.

frosbel:

Morning beloved Bro ,

How can we already be saved when the MASTER said that ONLY he who endures to the end will be saved ? Is Jesus contradicting himself ?

Goshen360:

First, you didn't answer the simple question - what does it mean to 'work out' one's one salvation? Do YOU HAVE SALVATION by YOURSELF?

Two, in how many "tenses" does scripture used the word "salvation" or "save"? And don't tell me now that there's ONLY ONE salvation because scriptures will fly over you.

frosbel:

I will first ask you a question :


What are we saved from ? in fact what is salvation ?

shdemidemi: @frosbel

I think you are just too proud to accept the truth of God's word. Every time you are shown scriptures that debunk your postulations you quickly go off on a tangent.

shdemidemi: Pls answer questions

Was it good or evil that Joseph went to prison?

Was it good that jesus was killed shamefully?

Was it good that the nation of Israel had to be slaves for 400 years?

Was it good that the apostles had to suffer and die for the sake of the gospel?

shdemidemi:

Bible reference pls


My bible says it is God who works in us both to do and to WILL......what does your bible say?

ajayikayod:

Dont let us mix things up.

We are not talking whether its evil or good dt happened to some ppl or events. We are talking about whether its God dt causes d evil, whether he is d source of d evil done to them and to everyone.

Dts d deviation.

ayoku777:

Thanks bro, you actually beat me to this explanation. 1Peter 1v9 -Receiving the end of your faith, even the salvation of your souls. The salvation of our souls is the end of our faith, and we are still receiving that, it is progressive. The salvation of our Spirit is the beginning of our faith, and we have received that.

People need to understand the spirit, soul and body division of man, and all are regenerated, reformed and redeemed at different stages of our walk with God. But if your spirit is regenerated, you are saved.

Bidam: Frosbel won't agree with this.We've debated this issue long enough on this forum.Even his friends know this.

ajayikayod:

D scripture about dont point to d fact dt man cant exercise his will against God.

Can i ask u some questions.
Why exactly do we hav to preach d gospel to every creation?
Wat is d essence Jesus gav us as d reason for preaching d gospel?
Does d gospel truly saves a man, any man dt accept it or its just a wiling away of time because God has already chosen those dt will b saved?

I will appreciate if u can giv me clear explanation from d scriptures.

shdemidemi:

We preach the gospels because that is what we were called to do.

I don't understand the second question.

Believing the gospel saves...but it is God who calls us or make us believe. It is also God that hardens whoever doesn't if He will be glorified at the end by such person's actions.

frosbel:


You need to understand bible language, God does not tempt any man to do evil, when the bible says that God hardens someones heart , it simply means he leaves that person to his/her own devices.

It is SIN that hardens the heart not GOD.

"But encourage one another daily, as long as it is called "Today," so that none of you may be hardened by sin's deceitfulness." - Hebrews 3:13

frosbel:

It is because of this false doctrine that you think , as you mentioned in an earlier article, that the resurrection is a mere formality, for if people go to be with Jesus after death and the wicked go to Hell, what on earth is the purpose for the resurrection.


Let William Tyndale help you here :

And ye, in putting them [the departed souls] in heaven, hell, and purgatory, destroy the arguments wherewith Christ and Paul prove the resurrection.... And again, if the souls be in heaven, tell me why they be not in as good case as the angels be? And then what cause is there of the resurrection?—William Tyndale, An Answer to Sir Thomas More's Dialogue (Parker's 1850 reprint), bk. 4, ch. 4, pp. 180, 181.

shdemidemi:

You and your rabbit trail style of argument... You run from and to every end of the bible to find anywhere a word can give credence to your argument. Always read in the context of scriptures pls.

After God hardened pharaoh, how did he end?

frosbel:

Sorry rephrase you question !

shdemidemi:

Did God harden the heart of Pharaoh?

Was Pharaoh hardened unto life or unto destruction?

shdemidemi:

Who was the angel of death that killed the first sons of the Egyptians?

Who. Killed the 185000 Assyrians?

shdemidemi: Where did u get your summations from....please help with bible ref.

Thanks

frosbel:


"But he gives us more grace. That is why Scripture says: "God opposes the proud but shows favor to the humble." - James 4:6

shdemidemi: This your theology all in the name of trying to prove God has nothing to do with what you define as evil is laughable. They knew about satan from the Old Testament bro, in fact before the beginning.

Read your Genesis, Job and chronicles properly

ajayikayod:

Bro, pls can u point to me d scriptures whr they knew about Satan in OT outside vision and prophecies?

shdemidemi:


Ok. Sir

Job 1

Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan also came among them. 7 And the LORD said to Satan, “From where do you come?” So Satan answered the LORD and said, “From going to and fro on the earth, and from walking back and forth on it.”


The serpent in Genesis is also satan, isn't it?...

shdemidemi: All I will say about the issue of who the angel of death is is that I will stick with who the bible says it is. If the bible says it is God, I believe it is God.

The scripture says "He killeth and maketh alive". That is an absolute statement and it is sufficient.

shdemidemi: This your theology all in the name of trying to prove God has nothing to do with what you define as evil is laughable. They knew about satan from the Old Testament bro, in fact before the beginning.

Read your Genesis, Job and chronicles properly

frosbel:

The bible says God does not tempt any man talk less of making him do evil.

ajayikayod:

Bro, I aint squeezing God in a box of evil/good. I m just concern about ur interpretation dt God has preplanned all things both evil and good for everyman and has chosen some to eternal life while others for eternal damnation. That put all events on earth as staged drama.

U hav still not cleared dt interpretations wit d scriptures. Really appreciate if all events and acts in d scriptures can b aligned to one interpretation. Dts wat all can learn from. Thanks.