anukulapo:
You answered the question in your post already. Under the law,it was DEMANDED but Abraham "gave" without being asked to.
Like saying it was recorded that Jesus administered passover meal with his disciples only once so what do we eat it often (yea,I know Luke recorded that he asked his disciples to do it in remembrance of him)?
Though Abraham paid it just once and from spoils of war it doesn't follow that (even under the law) any tithe payer must only pay from spoils of war.
It is the act/practice that was adapted not the pattern of the first practice.

Joagbaje:

Is honoring your father and mother not preach able ? Is fasting not peaceable . You preach what you believe. Especially if you have bible backing or foundation for it the application gets results.

Goshen360:

I know you're always sincere because you and I have had discussion before. Now, lemme split your posts:

why do I have to be threaten with a curse of not bringing it? That tells me, both are not the same. It should be by my own free and that's what the new testament clearly supports.

Goshen360:

Obviously, you don't understand my question in the start - Christ is the foundation (1 Cor.3v11) and everything else, the Apostles built on that foundation not laying again another foundation. In the same manner, If Abraham's tithe is an extension that was formalized in the law, tithe-able items from the spoils of war would have been included in the tithe items. Items from war were never acceptable nor mentioned as tithe-able items before they were not graciously provided by God.

Goshen360:

If it is the act\practice of tithe that was adopted and formalized, then the conditions also should be applied. The conditions of those who receive the tithe not working and not having inheritance, the tithers should be allowed to eat their tithes as they deem fit, and in the case of Abraham, the rest 90% should not be held unto by the tither, Abraham returned all and kept nothing because spoils from war doesn't belong to him. All terms and conditions also must apply if the practice\act is to be applied to Christians. WHAT DO YOU THINK?

Joagbaje:

The bible declares the blood of Jesus better than the blood of bulls. Blood of animals were to cover people flesh for a season . But the blood of christ is perfect and eternal . And it cleanses man spirit soul and body

trustman:

The Bible also said in Romans 10: 4 - "For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to everyone who believes" or Romans 8:1-4 Therefore, there is now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus, 2 because through Christ Jesus the law of the Spirit who gives life has set you free from the law of sin and death. 3 For what the law was powerless to do because it was weakened by the flesh, God did by sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh to be a sin offering. And so he condemned sin in the flesh, 4 in order that the righteous requirement of the law might be fully met in us, who do not live according to the flesh but according to the Spirit.

Bidam: Yeah..this is where most christians stop in their revelations and think that since Christ have fufilled the law;there are no more laws to be obeyed.

shdemidemi: ^^^
You have to be careful not to misjudge your conscience for the voice of God/Holy Spirit. Obedience to the Spirit of God can only mean understanding and acting based on the understanding gained from the word of God as written in the Bible. We need to learn God's word through scriptures to know and quantify that which is expected of us as Christians and not through any supposed 'spiritual experience'.

shdemidemi: ^^^
You have to be careful not to misjudge your conscience for the voice of God/Holy Spirit. Obedience to the Spirit of God can only mean understanding and acting based on the understanding gained from the word of God as written in the Bible. We need to learn God's word through scriptures to know and quantify that which is expected of us as Christians and not through any supposed 'spiritual experience'.

trustman:

Any significant thing required of the Christian will be found in the New Testament epistles which constitute the blueprint for living the Christian life. Do you agree?

Bidam: Don't be hasty..re read my post again..scripture records people giving their all to God.Read and learn.

trustman:

Any significant thing required of the Christian will be found in the New Testament epistles which constitute the blueprint for living the Christian life. Do you agree?

Bidam: Wrong.....Jesus sayings and teachings before going to the cross is valid and binding on every believer.So also is the Law and the prophets.Christ was concealed in the OT and revealed in the NT.like i tell goshen and your friend, there is a synergy between the OT and NT.

(John 14:21-24) "He who has my commandments, and keeps them, he it is who loves me: ... If a man loves me, he will keep my word: ... He who does not love me does not keep not my sayings: and the word which you hear is not mine, but the Father's who sent me."

trustman:

Did the Bible Apostles give us all that we need for the Christian way of life or did they leave out anything?
Do we know more today about the Christian way of life than they did?

Bidam: Go study to show yourself approved bro...Gud nyt.

UKDBOSS: Yes u re required to keep the law. Jesus didnt come 2 abolish d law. The law is made up of two components; sin and punishment. Eg. If a man dishonours his father let him die. There is no sin where dere is no law so the mere fact that sin exists means d law exists. Grace takes away d punishment 4 sin. Jesus bore it

trustman:

I am curious to have your answer to:

Did the Bible Apostles give us all that we need for the Christian way of life or did they leave out anything?
Do we know more today about the Christian way of life than they did?

Bidam: I said you should go and study more.Do you discard the words of Jesus himself? Was Jesus not the FIRST APOSTLE?

trustman:

Are you referring to Hebrews 3:1?
Did Jesus Christ or any of the other Bible Apostles give any specific directions or commands about how to live the Christian life, if so what are they in relation to the issue in context?

Bidam: What does Mathew 23:23 tells you? Do you believe Jesus was speaking to you?

trustman:

I was reacting to your post - Bidam: I said you should go and study more.Do you discard the words of Jesus himself? Was Jesus not the FIRST APOSTLE?

That is why i asked - Are you referring to Hebrews 3:1?
Did Jesus Christ or any of the other Bible Apostles give any specific directions or commands about how to live the Christian life, if so what are they in relation to the issue in context?

Is the context of apostleship of Jesus the passage i referred to?

On Matthew 23:23 note the following:
1. The verse started by telling us who Jesus was addressing - "Woe to you, scribes [teachers of the law: NIV] and Pharisees, hypocrites!"
It was a pronouncement of woe,an accusation . To who? To the scribes and Pharisees. Who were called what? Hypocrites! The Pharisees
were hypocrites concerning tithing!
2. “For you pay tithe of mint and anise and cumin …” The “you” here is still the scribes and Pharisees continuing from “woe is you scribes and
Pharisees”! They had overstated tithing to include spices which the Law had never intended.
3. “And [you] have omitted the weightier matters of the law -- judgment, mercy, and faith.” Jesus here says to the scribes and Pharisees that
judgment, mercy and faith” are more important “matters of the law” than was tithing. Even though the law is one, Jesus showed here in
Matthew 23:23 that some things in the law were ‘weightier’ than others. In this verse, justice, mercy and faithfulness are heavier and
weightier than the rules for tithing spices.
4. If you interpret this verse as Jesus’ command for Christians to tithe money (which the text does not directly state) should you not also take
it as Jesus’ command for the church to tithe garden spices - mint, dill and cumin - according to the Law (which the text does plainly state).
Has the Law changed (Lev. 27:30-34) ?

However, while quoting this very text in an attempt to prove that Jesus taught tithing to the Church, there is probably no church on earth which actually tells its members to literally bring tithes of garden spices.
If you must take this verse then it must be all of it as it is. If you think it recommends tithing then does it include things not specified by the Law?
There is no one who emphasizes tithing who emphasizes more these weightier matters of the law. Why is this so?

Bidam: All the teachings and sayings of Jesus is applicable to both the pharisees and his disciples who were constantly with him. He came to save the Jewish nation and by extension the whole world,so your case that he was referring to the pharisees alone has no moral standing.All scripture including MAT 23:23 IS WRITTEN FOR OUR LEARNING AND INSTRUCTION.

trustman:

See one saying of Jesus: Matthew 8:4 –
Then Jesus said to him, “See that you don’t tell anyone. But go, show yourself to the priest and offer the gift Moses commanded, as a testimony to them.”
Tell me which gifts commanded by Moses we are to give today and under what circumstances.
How applicable is this and clearly explain the process.

Bidam: [b]In this dispensation If God heals you. You give testimony in church in appreciation to what God has done.

trustman:

Remember your exact words - All the teachings and sayings of Jesus is applicable to both the pharisees and his disciples who were constantly with him. He came to save the Jewish nation and by extension the whole world,so your case that he was referring to the pharisees alone has no moral standing.All scripture including MAT 23:23 IS WRITTEN FOR OUR LEARNING AND INSTRUCTION.

Why are you now implying that in this DISPENSATION instead of going to offer the gift Moses commanded we should give TESTIMONY. TESTIMONY AND GIFT are certainly different things, are they not?
SHOULD WE NOT FOLLOW JESUS WORDS TO THE LETTER?
Secondly, which is THIS DISPENSATION, and what characterizes THIS DISPENSATION?
Why are you implying a change for THIS DISPENSATION?

Bidam: As a testimony to them..referring to the unbelieving Jews who said he cast out devils by the prince of beelzebub, in other words they attributed the work of the Holy Spirit to the devil which is a blasphemy and an unpardonable sin. In this dispensation If God heals you. You give testimony in church in appreciation to what God has done. Infact you are to come thanking God abi no be so? As the lepers went all were cleansed ONLY ONE came to give thanks.

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Remember your exact words - All the teachings and sayings of Jesus is applicable to both the pharisees and his disciples who were constantly with him. He came to save the Jewish nation and by extension the whole world,so your case that he was referring to the pharisees alone has no moral standing.All scripture including MAT 23:23 IS WRITTEN FOR OUR LEARNING AND INSTRUCTION.

Why are you now implying that in this DISPENSATION instead of going to offer the gift Moses commanded we should give TESTIMONY. TESTIMONY AND GIFT are certainly different things, are they not?

SHOULD WE NOT FOLLOW JESUS WORDS TO THE LET
Secondly, which is THIS DISPENSATION, and what characterizes THIS DISPENSATION?

Why are you implying a change for THIS DISPENSATION

Goshen360:

Forget it, we know and understand the game, no be today we don dey see that kind game - it's called change the goal post when it doesn't suit you.

Goshen360:

1. What is the "as a testimony to them..." in that context?...Just go to church and give testimony or "show yourself to the priest and offer the gift Moses commanded"?

2. And please, what is the gift that Moses commanded that Christians are suppose to offer to priest?
3. Which priest?
4. Do you have priest in the five-fold ministry today when all Christians are priest unto God?
5. Which church was Jesus addressing when the NT Church actually began on Pentecost?

Bidam: As a testimony to them..referring to the unbelieving Jews who said he cast out devils by the prince of beelzebub, in other words they attributed the work of the Holy Spirit to the devil which is a blasphemy and an unpardonable sin. In this dispensation If God heals you. You give testimony in church in appreciation to what God has done. Infact you are to come thanking God abi no be so? As the lepers went all were cleansed ONLY ONE came to give thanks.

Bidam: In addition when you come for thankgiving..You present an offering(gift) to the Lord to appreciate Him for what He did.This is scriptural.

But during the jews era if we want to take that scripture by literal intepretation...We know that any unclean persons is kept outside the camp and left until he or she becomes clean to join the congregation.Jesus violated even the tradition by touching the unclean to heal and deliver, so the testimony here is to present yourself to the priest at that time so they can pronounce you clean and offer gifts also to the temple according to the mosaic laws.