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Question: Did God Fulfil His Covenant With King Ahaz? (Virgin Birth) by harbiola1(m): 9:57am On Dec 14, 2013
Isaiah 7:1-16 are the verses of the book of Isaiah in which Prophet Isaiah, addressing King Ahaz of Judah, promising the King Ahaz that God will destroy his enemies; as a sign that his Prophecy is a true one, Isaiah predicts that a Almah will shortly give birth to a child whose name will be Immanuel "God with us".
And that the threat from the enemy Kings will be ended before the child grows up.

HISTORICAL CONTEXT.
In the mid-8th Century BCE, the kingdom of Isreal (called Ephraim in Isaiah) and its ally Aram-damascus (or Syria) besieged Jerusalem to force King Ahaz of Judah into joining a coalition against Assyria, the aggresive "great power" to the North-East. Ahaz turned to Assyria itself for help, but although the Assyrians destroyed Syria and Ephraim, Judah became Assyrian vassal.

The history Isaiah was a Prophet in jerusalem during the reign of Ahaz and Hezekiah. The prophecy in these verses was delivered during the Joint Ephraimite-Syrian siege, but was probably written down during the Assyrian siege in the time of Ahaz and then revised again when Judah came into conflict with Babylon.

Isaiah 7:1-10.
Judah is faced with invasion by its Northern neighbours, Isreal (also called Ephraim) and Aram-Damascus(Syria).

But God instructs the Prophet Isaiah to tell King Ahaz that God will destroy Judah's enemy (Isaiah 7:1-10);

When Ahaz was king of Judah, Rezin, king of Syria and Pekah was king of Isreal, marched on Jerusalem, they were unable to prevail against it.
When the House of David was told that Syria had allied itself with Ephraim, their hearts and the hearts of their people trembled.
But the Lord said to Isaiah,
"God out to meet Ahaz, you and Shearjushub your Son. and say to him,
"Be firm and keep calm; The lord has said,
"It will not happen".

The Prophecy - Isaiah 7:11-16:

Isaiah:
Isaiah 7:10 Moreover the lord spoke again to ahaz saying.
Prophet Isaiah approach king Ahaz to deliver God's message.

Isaiah:
11. Ask a sign for yourself from the Lord your God, ask it either in the depth or in the height above.
Isaiah delivers God's message to Ahaz and tells him to ask for a sign to confirm that this is a true Prophecy.

King Ahaz:
12. But ahaz said, I will not ask nor will i test the Lord
Ahaz refuses saying he will not test God.

Isaiah:
13. Then He said, hear now, O house of David! Is it a small thing for you to weary men, but will you weary my God also.
Isaiah replied that Ahaz will have a sign whether he asks for it or not.

Isaiah:
14. Therefore the Lord himself will give you a sign, behold, the virgin shall conceive and bear a son, and shall call his name, Immanuel.

And Isaiah said the SIGN will be the birth of a child by a VIRGIN, and she shall call his name IMMANUEL "God is with Us".
First Sign would be the birth of a child by a Virgin whom will name her child Immanuel.

Isaiah:
15. Curds and honey he shall eat that he may know to refuse the evil and choose the good.
Second sign was that the child would be eating Curds and Honey till he is matured.

Isaiah:
16. For before the child knows to reject the bad and choose the good, desolation will come upon the land of the two kings before whom you now cower


By the time the Infant (i.e Immanuel) learns to reject the bad and choose the good (i.e Before the child reach puberty). Isreal and Syria the opponent of King Ahaz will be destroyed.

QUESTION: DID GOD FULFIL HIS COVENANT WITH KING AHAZ? (I.E A VIRGIN BORNE A CHILD)

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Re: Question: Did God Fulfil His Covenant With King Ahaz? (Virgin Birth) by harbiola1(m): 5:56pm On Dec 14, 2013
20 views, No answer. Lets count another 20 view, may be somebody will come on stage.
Re: Question: Did God Fulfil His Covenant With King Ahaz? (Virgin Birth) by harbiola1(m): 6:34am On Dec 15, 2013
And the thread goes back to P1 the second time... Hope we're consulting Holy-spirit and not just sleeping?

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Re: Question: Did God Fulfil His Covenant With King Ahaz? (Virgin Birth) by harbiola1(m): 9:34pm On Dec 15, 2013
Honestly, these guys are all LIARs.
None of them have Holy spirit, if they did as they use to claim, then i wonder what it's useful for.

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Re: Question: Did God Fulfil His Covenant With King Ahaz? (Virgin Birth) by noblefada: 10:07pm On Dec 15, 2013
Guess your question was not answered because its irrelevant and we are not ready to waste our time answering irrelevant stuff. Shalom

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Re: Question: Did God Fulfil His Covenant With King Ahaz? (Virgin Birth) by harbiola1(m): 10:54pm On Dec 15, 2013
noblefada: Guess your question was not answered because its irrelevant and we are not ready to waste our time answering irrelevant stuff. Shalom

You opin counts, but if u can manage to switch on ur brain, then u'll know that question is very relevant.

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Re: Question: Did God Fulfil His Covenant With King Ahaz? (Virgin Birth) by macof(m): 12:24am On Dec 16, 2013
rationalmind:

Lol, did you really read through all what the dude wrote? The stuff was too long to start with. Maybe if he had summarised it, he would had gotten some responses

Yes and I have seen that in another thread where we both addressed the issue of "Immanuel"
Re: Question: Did God Fulfil His Covenant With King Ahaz? (Virgin Birth) by harbiola1(m): 1:17pm On Dec 16, 2013
Lol, i wonder what these Hypocrite LIARs have been reading from their book if none of them can answer this Simple Question from the Book that they have committed their Life to.

Lol, i can see somebody praying to Holy spirit for an answer.
Let's hear what [S]he has to say.

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Re: Question: Did God Fulfil His Covenant With King Ahaz? (Virgin Birth) by Mintayo(m): 7:12pm On Dec 16, 2013
noblefada: Guess your question was not answered because its irrelevant and we are not ready to waste our time answering irrelevant stuff. Shalom
Lol,you said it all.
Re: Question: Did God Fulfil His Covenant With King Ahaz? (Virgin Birth) by harbiola1(m): 10:39pm On Dec 16, 2013
harbiola1:
QUESTION: DID GOD FULFIL HIS COVENANT WITH KING AHAZ? (I.E A VIRGIN BORNE A CHILD)
Re: Question: Did God Fulfil His Covenant With King Ahaz? (Virgin Birth) by Nobody: 11:37pm On Dec 16, 2013
macof:

undecided Christians are really pathetic

Like seriously, My kids can't be associated with such silly people.

Fact is Immanuel is not Jesus, consult ur Holy spirit
immanuel is Jesus. Lol, u're scared 'cos ur child will be converted into xtianity. Lmao. U're clouded by satan.

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Re: Question: Did God Fulfil His Covenant With King Ahaz? (Virgin Birth) by harbiola1(m): 7:41am On Dec 17, 2013
FrancisTony: immanuel is Jesus.

*Yawn*
Re: Question: Did God Fulfil His Covenant With King Ahaz? (Virgin Birth) by harbiola1(m): 7:51am On Dec 17, 2013
Have i scared Holy Evil spirit out of Nairaland
harbiola1:
QUESTION: DID GOD FULFIL HIS COVENANT WITH KING AHAZ? (I.E A VIRGIN BORNE A CHILD)

Dump Spirit where art thou
Re: Question: Did God Fulfil His Covenant With King Ahaz? (Virgin Birth) by harbiola1(m): 1:47pm On Dec 17, 2013
Which one is a Spook, Holy spirit or its Spooke persons undecided grin grin grin
Re: Question: Did God Fulfil His Covenant With King Ahaz? (Virgin Birth) by harbiola1(m): 9:28pm On Dec 17, 2013
hmmm! this is very serious, since three days now, no one has been able to answer only one question.

Oga fun awon Eniyan won yi o.
Re: Question: Did God Fulfil His Covenant With King Ahaz? (Virgin Birth) by Nobody: 9:42pm On Dec 17, 2013
harbiola1: hmmm! this is very serious, since three days now, no one has been able to answer only one question.

Oga fun awon Eniyan won yi o.
Wait. Brb. I'm coming!
Re: Question: Did God Fulfil His Covenant With King Ahaz? (Virgin Birth) by harbiola1(m): 7:47am On Dec 18, 2013
FrancisTony: Wait. Brb. I'm coming!

grin grin grin Youself no dey say u no dey.
Re: Question: Did God Fulfil His Covenant With King Ahaz? (Virgin Birth) by harbiola1(m): 7:51am On Dec 18, 2013
FrancisTony: Wait. Brb. I'm coming!

grin grin grin You self no dey talk say u no dey.
Re: Question: Did God Fulfil His Covenant With King Ahaz? (Virgin Birth) by Emusan(m): 8:46am On Dec 18, 2013
Your rudeness is a thing that requires fasting and prayer.

Honestly, what you people need is a Bible study teacher right beside you not over internet study. But just let me enlighten your knowledge.

The chapter you're talking about verse 1-16 is devided into three parts.

1) verse 1-9 were talking about a coup planning by some kings in fighting against king Ahaz or simply Judah. God's message to king Ahaz is very straight forward, in verse 7 God told king Ahaz through Prophet Isaiah that their counsel/plan will never work verse 7: NASB:thus says the Lord God: “It shall not stand nor shall it come to pass.
NIV:Yet this is what the Sovereign Lord says: “‘It will not take place, it will not happen,
So God has said it shall not stand or takes place.

2) Verse 10-12 according to verse 7 God has already told king Ahaz that their plan won't work but for king Ahaz to know that God had spoken and it will come to pass. God said king Ahaz should ask for a sign but king Ahaz as a wise one who knows the sovereignty of God he decided not to doubt nor tempt God.

3) Where you got it wrong is because "sign" appeared in verse 11&14. Verse 13-17 is another part. Here the message has been shifted from king Ahaz now for the whole house of David, Judah is the house in which the Messiah will come, now these people have been waiting to a point that they are too anxious for the Messiah to come. verse 13 really elaborates this point NASB:Then he said, “Listen now, O house of David! Is it too slight a thing for you to try the patience of men, that you will try the patience of my God as well?
NIV:Then Isaiah said, “Hear now, you house of David! Is it not enough to try the patience of humans? Will you try the patience of my God also?
First, this message is for the whole House of David who are waiting for a Messiah not for king Ahaz only. Then verse 14 stated that God Himself will give them a sign when the Messiah will come.
Only if you can remove the wrong glass you put on then you can see it. The message of the sign of a virgin given birth does not in any way connected with the plan of those kings because God has already spoken that it won't take place.

Beside mind the way you use the word "Holyspirit" for your own good.

And I don't know the essence of open this thread, is it that Jesus was not born by a virgin or you just find the prophecy too hard to comprehend like Muhammad?



Shalom!

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Re: Question: Did God Fulfil His Covenant With King Ahaz? (Virgin Birth) by Nobody: 9:06am On Dec 18, 2013
Emusan: Your rudeness is a thing that requires fasting and prayer.

Honestly, what you people need is a Bible study teacher right beside you not over internet study. But just let me enlighten your knowledge.

The chapter you're talking about verse 1-16 is devided into three parts.

1) verse 1-9 were talking about a coup planning by the some kings in fighting against king Ahaz or simply Judah. God's message to king Ahaz is very straight forward, in verse 7 God told king Ahaz through Prophet Isaiah that their counsel/plan will never work verse 7: NASB:thus says the Lord God: “It shall not stand nor shall it come to pass.
NIV:Yet this is what the Sovereign Lord says: “‘It will not take place, it will not happen,
So God has said it shall not stand or takes place.

2) Verse 10-12 according to verse 7 God has already told king Ahaz that their plan won't work but for king Ahaz to know that God had spoken and it will come to pass. God said king Ahaz should ask for a sign but king Ahaz as a wise one who knows the sovereignty of God he decided not to doubt nor tempt God.

3) Where you got it wrong is because "sign appear in verse 11& 14. Verse 13-17 is another part. Here the message has been shifted from king Ahaz alone now for the whole house of David, Judah is the houze in which the Messiah will come now these people have been waiting to a point that they are too axcious for the Messiah to come. verse 13 really elaborates the point NASB:Then he said, “Listen now, O house of David! Is it too slight a thing for you to try the patience of men, that you will try the patience of my God as well?
NIV:Then Isaiah said, “Hear now, you house of David! Is it not enough to try the patience of humans? Will you try the patience of my God also?
First, this message is for the whole House of David who are waiting for a Messiah not for king Ahaz only. Then verse 14 declear that God Himself will give them a sign when the Messiah will come.
Only if you can remove the wrong glass you put on then you can it. Then message of the sign of a virgin given birth does not in any way connected with the plan of those kings because God has already spoken that it won't take place.

Beside mind the way you use the word "Holyspirit" for your own good.

And I don't know the essence of open this thread, is it that Jesus was not born by a virgin or you just find the prophecy too hard to comprehend like Muhammad?



Shalom!
Triple tuale Sir!! Fabulous

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Re: Question: Did God Fulfil His Covenant With King Ahaz? (Virgin Birth) by macof(m): 11:02am On Dec 18, 2013
FrancisTony: Triple tuale Sir!! Fabulous

Lol cheesy see this one

Wat u could never do is wat u reading now
I always tell u dat you don't know anything.
Re: Question: Did God Fulfil His Covenant With King Ahaz? (Virgin Birth) by Nobody: 11:06am On Dec 18, 2013
macof:

Lol cheesy see this one

Wat u could never do is wat u reading now
I always tell u dat you don't know anything.
shut ur trap.
Re: Question: Did God Fulfil His Covenant With King Ahaz? (Virgin Birth) by Nobody: 11:15am On Dec 18, 2013
macof:

Lol cheesy see this one

Wat u could never do is wat u reading now
I always tell u dat you don't know anything.

grin grin
Re: Question: Did God Fulfil His Covenant With King Ahaz? (Virgin Birth) by harbiola1(m): 1:31pm On Dec 18, 2013
Wow wow! Emusan really stands out here on religion section. Others are just seeing and ignoring.
Emusan: Your rudeness is a thing that requires fasting and prayer.

I know what you mean here, but learn how to respect what others revere before admonishing others on the same basis.

Emusan:
Honestly, what you people need is a Bible study teacher right beside you not over internet study. But just let me enlighten your knowledge.

The chapter you're talking about verse 1-16 is devided into three parts.

1) verse 1-9 were talking about a coup planning by the some kings in fighting against king Ahaz or simply Judah. God's message to king Ahaz is very straight forward, in verse 7 God told king Ahaz through Prophet Isaiah that their counsel/plan will never work verse 7: NASB:thus says the Lord God: “It shall not stand nor shall it come to pass.
NIV:Yet this is what the Sovereign Lord says: “‘It will not take place, it will not happen,
So God has said it shall not stand or takes place.

2) Verse 10-12 according to verse 7 God has already told king Ahaz that their plan won't work but for king Ahaz to know that God had spoken and it will come to pass. God said king Ahaz should ask for a sign but king Ahaz as a wise one who knows the sovereignty of God he decided not to doubt nor tempt God.

3) Where you got it wrong is because "sign appear in verse 11& 14. Verse 13-17 is another part. Here the message has been shifted from king Ahaz alone now for the whole house of David, Judah is the houze in which the Messiah will come now these people have been waiting to a point that they are too axcious for the Messiah to come. verse 13 really elaborates the point NASB:Then he said, “Listen now, O house of David! Is it too slight a thing for you to try the patience of men, that you will try the patience of my God as well?
NIV:Then Isaiah said, “Hear now, you house of David! Is it not enough to try the patience of humans? Will you try the patience of my God also?
First, this message is for the whole House of David who are waiting for a Messiah not for king Ahaz only. Then verse 14 declear that God Himself will give them a sign when the Messiah will come.
Only if you can remove the wrong glass you put on then you can it. Then message of the sign of a virgin given birth does not in any way connected with the plan of those kings because God has already spoken that it won't take place.

Beside mind the way you use the word "Holyspirit" for your own good.

And I don't know the essence of open this thread, is it that Jesus was not born by a virgin or you just find the prophecy too hard to comprehend like Muhammad?


Shalom!
You did a good work here, but i hope u don't think that u're dealing with sheep?

Who is chapter 15-16 talking about because u stopped at 14?

You have to address 15 and 16, then i'll remove my cap for you.

SALAM!
Re: Question: Did God Fulfil His Covenant With King Ahaz? (Virgin Birth) by Emusan(m): 4:29pm On Dec 18, 2013
harbiola1:
but i hope u don't think that u're dealing with sheep?

I'm not but I do know I'm dealing with a slave.

Who is chapter verse 15-16 talking about because u stopped at 14?

The verses are still talking about the Child. Have it in mind that none of the verse(15-16) is referring to the war which God has declared nought!
NIV: "He will eat curds and honey at the time He knows enough to refuse evil and choose good. 16 For before the boy will know enough to refuse evil and choose good, the land whose two kings you dread will be forsaken."

This is a prophecy for house of Judah about trials to come upon Assyria & Ephraim including Judah itself by adding verse 17 shortly after the birth of the Child.

then i'll remove my cap for you.

You don't need to but just get everlasting life in you which is Jesus Christ by believing that He has come and pay the ransom.


SALAM!

Shalom!

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