quivah:

See yourself!!!

Those that liked your posts are mumu as well...

Haven't the couples in the old days joined in holy matrimony? Haven't they gotten married before the s.ex?!

Chai! Failed..

@haibe,as much as I repect you over the females' trousers thread.. its quite disappointing to see what you post here.. religion aside,premarital s.ex is morally wrong!

hello dear, pls don't mix this up am not in support of pre marital sex, but sex is what joins people together not ceremonies go see your pastor if he knows the truth he will tell you same.

quivah:

See yourself!!!

Those that liked your posts are mumu as well...

Haven't the couples in the old days joined in holy matrimony? Haven't they gotten married before the s.ex?!

Chai! Failed..

@haibe,as much as I repect you over the females' trousers thread.. its quite disappointing to see what you post here.. religion aside,premarital s.ex is morally wrong!

He was trying to drive out a point which you obviously didn't get.

People think it's sinful but it's not, morality depends on the context which you mean it, what culture, etc. but that is not the point now, the point is that

1) sex is what joins a man and woman
2) pre martial sex is not fornication
3)therefore, pre marital sex isn't a sin( as long as it doesn't entails fornication)

ideology: pls o o o, I just noticed some argument here, sex is actually what joins people together not the ceremonies called marriage or wedding. that's why in the olden days, couples must have sex that nite AFTER the marriage or wedding, many peeps don't know this, and the wisdom behind this have not been passed down to recent generations, but this secret and truth stands. so if a guy have slept with 10ladies, automatically he is being join to 10ladies, the main problem is that he is not only joined to 10ladies but also every other persons these ladies have also had sex with. its complicated. but Its been proven spiritually, medical and psychologically

Note the bolded...The sex consummates the marriage. The bride has to be given away FIRST, the man leaves to cleave. It is as simple as it gets.
The sex on the wedding night of old was also usually to affirm the woman was a virgin (tokens of virginity) and there will be celebration of she was intact, if she was not per bible days she would even be stoned for commiting FORNICATION or playing the HARLOT in her fathers house. Deuteronomy 22:15-20, that was how important purity was to the people of those days. If she was even no more a virgin because she was raped it had to be reported. Deuteronomy 22:23-27.

Sex is not marriage, if not, the raped lady had to marry her rapist. In the case in the bible, it is seen that the father of a lady had a right to refuse marriage to his daughter as penalty for a man seducing her even after the man pays the penalty fee for virgins.
These are OT but a lot can be drawn from it.

PRE-marital sex is sex BEFORE marriage no matter how anyone tries to colour it with intentions to marry, bethrothed, committed to marry....it is not the same as marriage. Apostle Paul has said if people cannot control themselves or a man is behaving immodestly towards his virgin, they should marry...it is so simple but it is not surprising how people are trying to excuse sin. It is the last days now.

quivah:
Don't mind them...

Its still their type that will tag a girl who has been unlucky with guys w.hore..


If their stance is actually right .. I just can't imagine how much s.ex would be abused Than it is now... some people ain't indulging in it cause they felt its wrong .. but seeing these people's posts and getting convinced about the issue will surely make them change for worse!!

True, some people will abuse sex when they find out, but what am pointing out is that premarital sex is not the same as fornication, that definition only evolved over time just like any other english word changes its meaning and some becoming obsolete, language is dynamic.

No one is encouraging premarital sex here but we are only pointing a notable fact, I am virgin and I am proud of myself but that doesn't stop me from knowing that premarital sex with a marriage intention is not sinful.

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happy bufday dude!!!!!


Hope u had a swell one btw??

Yeah I did sweetz!'Twas fun.Tried emailin ya and...

Nahum777: exactly bro 1000likes. am a virgin too but that doesnt stop me from know it isnt a sin. i wont get involved in premarital sex, but i know it isnt wrong for sure. if i get a girl pregnant now, the world will label me a sinner, but in the sight of God have done nothing wrong

That's the point

Nahum777: So you mean the book of Exodus doesnt count?, you follow only one part of the bible huh? stop fooling around bro The God that i serve doesnt change, or you havnt heard? So the old testament is a waste? Why did God bother writing it?

"For I am the LORD, I change not; therefore ye sons of Jacob are not consumed." (Malachi 3:6).
where in the bible does it say marrying two wives is a sin? And i repeat, marrying two wives isnt a sin. Nowhere did the bible call it a sin.

"Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness," (Galatians 5:19). and how does this verse support your claim? The thing is that you dont understand the bible, you follow the world, you dont read the bible on your own. Where did the bible define fornication as premarital sex? That is where you are getting it wrong, you dont know the meaning of fornication in the bible.

What is this one saying?

Alwaystrue:
Note the bolded...The sex consummates the marriage. The bride has to be given away FIRST, the man leaves to cleave. It is as simple as it gets.
The sex on the wedding night of old was also usually to affirm the woman was a virgin (tokens of virginity) and there will be celebration of she was intact, if she was not per bible days she would even be stoned for commiting FORNICATION or playing the HARLOT in her fathers house. Deuteronomy 22:15-20, that was how important purity was to the people of those days. If she was even no more a virgin because she was raped it had to be reported. Deuteronomy 22:23-27.

Sex is not marriage, if not, the raped lady had to marry her rapist. In the case in the bible, it is seen that the father of a lady had a right to refuse marriage to his daughter as penalty for a man seducing her even after the man pays the penalty fee for virgins.
These are OT but a lot can be drawn from it.

PRE-marital sex is sex BEFORE marriage no matter how anyone tries to colour it with intentions to marry, bethrothed, committed to marry....it is not the same as marriage. Apostle Paul has said if people cannot control themselves or a man is behaving immodestly towards his virgin, they should marry...it is so simple but it is not surprising how people are trying to excuse sin. It is the last days now.

you are right, but pls foot misunderstand me, I came in because I wanted to contribute to the fact that sex is what joins people together not ceremonies (marriage). now what is marriage, as far as deut and leviticus. marriage begins when your dad says yes to the man you introduced to him, not even on the wedding day or traditional marriage. the wedding or traditional marriage is like public declaration of your new status. even during the occasions the pastor still calls out your dad to confirm that he has agreed to let you go, on issue of testing virginity you are right but the sex also joins you together. finally am not in support of pre marital sex. it is sin.

haibe:

True, some people will abuse sex when they find out, but what am pointing out is that premarital sex is not the same as fornication, that definition only evolved over time just like any other english word changes its meaning and some becoming obsolete, language is dynamic.

No one is encouraging premarital sex here but we are only pointing a notable fact, I am virgin and I am proud of myself but that doesn't stop me from knowing that premarital sex with a marriage intention is not sinful.

Even engaged peeps don't get married at the end... how's getting married sure?!..
So I have to sleep with every guy that promise me marriage... coz marriage is in the pix!

Nahum777: you didint understand his post, that is the reason why you are saying this, in the bible premarital sex isnt wrong, goto america and tell them premarital sex is wrong, its a normal thing down there. So saying religion aside, premarital sex is wrong, u are wrong because the world sees it as a right thing and it has been abused.

The world? Why then should I get mocked if people find out I had s.ex?!

Medically pre marital se.x is wrong too...tho there are basically some advantages than disadvantages..but it doesn't make it right ..

in ame,its a normal thing?? Is it an African thing?.
We have cultural,societal settings.. religiously the harm associated with pre marital s.Ex is high! Even with the fact that marriage is in the pix..which ofcourse no one can guarantee!..
Your last statement... funny!! Its being abused even tho there are restrictions ..what will happen if people actually think the way you think now?

I read you a v,what's stopping you btw??

Nahum777: you will never understand.

The Old Testament was made for reference,things written there doesn't apply to christianity.U are one of those who mis-interprete the bible.Now you're saying Polygamy is not a sin because the likes of Solomon,David and others had more than one wife.Just like the white garment churches would say they don't wear shoes cos God told Moses to remove his shoes cause he was standing on a holy ground.Still waiting for the church that'll build an ark cos God instructed Noah to...

haibe:

What does undefiled mean to you please? you think its to have sex? No its to have sex wrongly, simple. e.g no extra marital affair.


A man is joined with a woman through sex, this is how God has made it, it is just so (see 1 corinthians 6:15-17). So if the bible says what God has joined together, don't think it means what a priest joins together or what a man of God joins together, you will be deluding yourself that way

Sexx is spiritual,when u v sex with someone,u r truely join with d person spirtually but sex is not marriage.
You can have sex,but you must not have it wrongly right? Smh
so when two ppl have sex beofre 'marriage ceremony,so it is God that join them together right? Smh again.
A guy had sex with a lady,have sex with anoda lady,have sex with anoda lady making three,so following ur words,so he is married to the 3 of dem?
Premarital Sex is not marriage and it is wrong,it is a sin.

haibe:

He was trying to drive out a point which you obviously didn't get.

People think it's sinful but it's not, morality depends on the context which you mean it, what culture, etc. but that is not the point now, the point is that

1) sex is what joins a man and woman
2) pre martial sex is not fornication
3)therefore, pre marital sex isn't a sin( as long as it doesn't entails fornication)

1.whats fornication? When you s.Ex and leave the girl??

I laff dear!!!

2 se.x only joins two people together spiritually,which is wrong without Godly Union(marriage)..

I saw a post where you said a priest joins the guys together while se.x joins them by God or so..
God joins the Union via marriage and not se.x!
They are joined in the name of the father.. except if you mean God should come down to join them...
Menh ..
S.ex is more spiritual than physical..

ideology:
marriage begins when your dad says yes to the man you introduced to him, not even on the wedding day or traditional marriage. the wedding or traditional marriage is like public declaration of your new status. even during the occasions the pastor still calls out your dad to confirm that he has agreed to let you go,

I agree to this but the father (or chosen elder if her father is dead) gives the woman away. Saying 'yes' does not mean marriage except the father is handing over the lady as well just as Rebecca was handed over to Abraham's servant in the bible.
Laban also consented to reease Rachel BUT Jacob was to work for him for 7 yrs after which Jacob had to demand for His wife from Laban to go in to her to which Laban ordered a feast though he decieved Jacob.
In some cultures marriage is a 'yes and a brideprice payment' just like Ibos. The father may not consider his daughter to be married till this is done. So a 'yes' may not be enough.
For those who do white wedding or church, since churches stipulate no sex till after they are wedded, people should learn to comply with authority, despite the traditional wedding completed, to fulfil all righteousness. Better still do the whole wedding same day or chose one. I know of people who did traditional wedding with pastor to pray and bless the union right there at the traditional wedding venue though they had registered the marriage earlier in the day and that was it. It all needs wisdom.

Nahum777: common go and sit down, u put emotions on everything, how does that verse say premarital sex is a sin? tell me where the bible says premarital sex is a sin?. define fornication with the bible and not your own opinion.

exodus 22 vs 17 16 And if a man entice a maid that is not betrothed, and lie with her, he shall surely endow her to be his wife. 17 If her father utterly refuse to give her unto him, he shall pay money according to the dowry of virgins..

fornication isn't premarital sex. fornication is when you dont marry who you sleep with.

That's d law of moses!
Ur definition of fornication is wrong!
Fornication is having sex with someone you are not married to and not ur own definition!
Do you know that one of the greatest sin that God hates most is fornication? Though no sin is great in God's sight... Equal punishment will be given to all the sinners no matter the gravity of their sins.
Can u tell me the reason why God killed David's son after he slept with Uriah's wife?
Can u tell me d reason why samson's destiny got expired on the lap of delilah?
It's all because of the sin of fornication!
Let me tel you something.... Had it been Joseph has slept with Potiphar's wife... His destiny would have slept forever.
This flesh will always tempt you to do what's contrary to the spirit... You'r d one that'll ask for the help of the holy spirit for summounting it.

Mintayo:
Sexx is spiritual,when u v sex with someone,u r truely join with d person spirtually but sex is not marriage.
You can have sex,but you must not have it wrongly right? Smh
so when two ppl have sex beofre 'marriage ceremony,so it is God that join them together right? Smh again.
A guy had sex with a lady,have sex with anoda lady,have sex with anoda lady making three,so following ur words,so he is married to the 3 of dem?
Premarital Sex is not marriage and it is wrong,it is a sin.

The problem with some africans is that they hate reading.

Start reading this thread from page 2 again.

*sighs* Difeferent people. Different opinion.

quivah:
1.whats fornication? When you s.Ex and leave the girl??

I laff dear!!!

2 se.x only joins two people together spiritually,which is wrong without Godly Union(marriage)..

I saw a post where you said a priest joins the guys together while se.x joins them by God or so..
God joins the Union via marriage and not se.x!
They are joined in the name of the father.. except if you mean God should come down to join them...
Menh ..
S.ex is more spiritual than physical..

Can you give me any scriptural prove that the ceremony is what joins the man and woman?

Am really tired of typing epistles today.

pls lets stop the arguments and learn instead
my final verdict-
1. that sex outside marriage is sin
2. a)that unless the father gives approval then there is not marriage, b) in the absent of the father next in leadership in family can represent the father.
3. that sex is actually what joins the couples to become one flesh.
4. that sex when rightly done glorifies God, while when wrongly done glorifies the Devil.
5. you can not sleep on delilah's lap and wake up in Abraham's bossom.
court !!!

God's standard cant be changed.if He says fornication is a sin,then it is a sin regardless of what the world thinks.

Nahum777: medically? lol prove it. the opposite is the case, you are mocked by your friends if you are a virgin. dats the problem

Exactly, you are mocked onlu when you are a virgin

Nahum777: medically? lol prove it. the opposite is the case, you are mocked by your friends if you are a virgin. dats the problem

I bet you live more In the movies... have never or heard anyone tell she's been mocked for being a v.. except guys as well,and you know why? They believe s.ex is an achievement..

And on a girl's part,if she got mocked by girls of course... it shows how much se.x had been abused!

@the medical prove. .. Let's see if i can get it

quivah:
1.whats fornication? When you s.Ex and leave the girl??

I laff dear!!!

2 se.x only joins two people together spiritually,which is wrong without Godly Union(marriage)..

I saw a post where you said a priest joins the guys together while se.x joins them by God or so..
God joins the Union via marriage and not se.x!
They are joined in the name of the father.. except if you mean God should come down to join them...
Menh ..
S.ex is more spiritual than physical..

You are very correct @ d bolded...
Two pple agree to come together-thats a covenant which is sealed by a pastor or priest who has been given d authority(by God) to join them.
God can not join ppl by sexx,i don't know where this guys are getting that idea from,smh.

haibe:

Exactly, you are mocked onlu when you are not virgin

You surely dint get Nahum's post I bet

I love you all
pls lets stop the arguments and
learn instead
my final verdict-
1. that sex outside marriage is sin
2. a)that unless the father gives
approval then there is not
marriage, b) in the absent of the
father next in leadership in family
can represent the father.
3. that sex is actually what joins the
couples to become one flesh.
4. that sex when rightly done
glorifies God, while when wrongly
done glorifies the Devil.
5. you can not sleep on delilah's
lap and wake up in Abraham's
bossom.
court !!!