Cmanforall:

You sound so bitter. And you praise urself too much(calling urself 'highly learned' -na who ask you?).

There is no Doctor, NO DOCTOR, that will CONDEMN a lab. scientist... Its a teamwork for patients' wellbeing. But the way you sound, one(those outside the health sector) may think you guys have a special course @ the undergraduate level that tackles Doctors(in Lab. Medicine).

Again, no Doctor will block the progress of any lab scientist(as it stands). Pls stop spreading ur personal hatred on Doctors to the innocent public.

I also understand some of the lab.scientists were withdrawn from medicine @undergraduate level, others were denied admission to study medicine. Pls again, this shouldn't breed hatred for the doctors. Thank you

I do not hate doctors, I have doctors and soon-to-become doctor friends, cousins,
Again, I am not a practicing lab scientist and I have never worked in a clinic/hospital.


My interest in this issue (only on nairaland) is based on the intensity of falsehood & ignorance.

Ziondebade: @armadeo, the truth is bitter. It is only in your country that doctors think its their sole rite to administer prescription, while pharmacists are unimportant to them.

u are correct.

PharmGreg:
u are correct.

Am very sure I have answered the op you quoted and yourself you are yet to respond to my inquiry.

armadeo:


Am very sure I have answered the op you quoted and yourself you are yet to respond to my inquiry.

av nt seen it.

armadeo:



Prescribe indirectly. Listen to yourself. I asked a simple question by law apart from over the counter drugs do you have the power to write a prescription and give to a patient. Its a yes it no question no lectures needed.

What meaningful adjustments do you want to make in a drs prescription. I can understand dosage discrepancies it has happened to me before. Apart from that what again?


PS the pharmacist doesnt even see the patient so how would you know what parameters the dr used to arrive at that prescription for you to make valuable adjustments

yea, av listened to myself v.well and I made sense. Who instructed you not to prescribe chloroquine for uncomplicated malaria? Physicians or .. . . .
Bro, these guys produced the drugs scientifically. Will they produce something they dont knw how to use? Please, kill down that unnecessary ego pls.

PharmGreg:
yea, av listened to myself v.well and I made sense. Who instructed you not to prescribe chloroquine for uncomplicated malaria? Physicians or .. . . .
Bro, these guys produced the drugs scientifically. Will they produce something they dont knw how to use? Please, kill down that unnecessary ego pls.

Again I ask apart from over the counter drugs are you by law allowed to give prescriptions. Yes or no.

PharmGreg:
yea, av listened to myself v.well and I made sense. Who instructed you not to prescribe chloroquine for uncomplicated malaria? Physicians or .. . . .
Bro, these guys produced the drugs scientifically. Will they produce something they dont knw how to use? Please, kill down that unnecessary ego pls.

Pharm Greg....the point isn't about knowing the treatment for Malaria....its about knowing it's Malaria. while I really doubt if it's any difficult to manage malaria....the problem is what if it becomes a complicated one?
That's why there's need for a job description in the health sector

MOBBDEEP:

Barcanista, since you want to know, I will try to let you see.
Now, there is both the professional and administrative hierarchical ladder among the parallel medical & paramedic workers.
What you are seeing is actually the envy & jealousy rather than rightful demand for fairness by JOHESU. In fact, that the NMA & NARD are embarking on this current is to tell you that they didn't do the needful on time, when this allied-medical staff started their trouble many years ago.
Docs are used to these tantrums as it is normal day issue.

Back to what I was saying about hierarchy.
At the professional level, each various disciplines has its crops of higher qualified professionals either with passage of time, acquisition of more professional certificates or both.
Of the various medical & paramedic disciplines, it is the doctors who usually become a professional ( physician/surgeon consultant ) ONLY by rigorous professional training & certifications.
Other allied-medics usually become professional due to passage of time e.g the nurses.
Hence, you have professional positions like Senior Nursing Officer SNO, Assistant Chief Nursing Officer ACNO, Chief Nursing Officer CNO & Principal Nursing Officer PNO.
Only a few actually pick some basic certificates, from may be 2-3 weeks of training, which actually is not a prerequisite to attain higher ladder.
Now, the doctors do not have problem with these allied-medical staffs and their hierarchy.
But the allied-medical staffs covet that Consultant ( which only few of the docs actually attain ) and wants to achieve so by mere certifications of 2-3weeks training!!!!

Now, at the administrative front, it is same story.
All units contributing to the medical service provision are well recognised and hence they have PARALLEL administrative organisation set-up.
I will break it down.
Just as the Nursing Unit have Director of Nursing Services DNS & Assistant Directors ADNSses, the Med Labs Scientists units have theirs, the Physiotherapists have theirs too et cetera.
Then the Drs have theirs too as CMAC & Dep CMAC.
Now, all the units need to come under one total authority which is the CMD (assisted by a powerful Director of Administration DOA who is more of a non-clinical but a high & qualified Clerical Officer ) - a post which has always been filled by a doctor since he's the one that is more coordinating in the process of health service delivery.
The problem of JOHESU now is that they want that overhead-administrative position to be open to all units & not Drs alone.

Other issues are actually secondary.
You are given to intellect.
Read up that their rejoinder or response ( I mean JOHESU ) at the 1st page & tell me if you see any substance there.
They are actually the one greedy, contentious & non-contented.

With the BOLD, the Doctors have substance. Honestly, most people(Myself Included) used to think that ALL Administrative Positions are FILLED by Doctors and HONESTLY I wasn't aware of a POWERFUL office of the "Administrative Director" until yesterday-The JOHESU didn't tell us that it is usually occupied by non-Clinical Professional.

Let me add that the Office of Chief Medical Director/Medical Director Should remain the sole inheritance of Physicians. Reason being that by training, Physicians are equipped with the necessary skills needed for Hospital Management and the have General overview of all the paramedics in addition to their core skills(According to what i read). It will be absurd to appoint a non-Combatant Soldier as Chief of Army Staff.

The Medics need to always feed the public with information on "their own side" of the matter. Honestly, losing public respect is one thing no individual or group will wish for.

Having re-read the Medics and JOHESU demands, I formed the following as "legitimates" solution.

1) The office of Minister of Health should be occupied by a Medical Doctor
2) The Office of Minister of State for Health be opened to other Health Practitioners
3) The demand for the office of Surgeon-General is not necessary
4) The CBN erred by approving the MLSCN to regulate importation of IVF(abi na wetin sef) Equipment knowing fully that the Health Sector is Multidisciplinary. Instead, the Govt should have established a Commission or Agency with Members Drawn from Health Professionals to regulate such and other Health Equipment Importation. (The NMA/NARD should approach the Court instead of striking)
5) The Office of CMD should be the Exclusive of Doctors being that the Hospitals are their primary duty posts and their oversight.
6) The Offices of CMAC & Dep CMAC should be retained since others have theirs and be exclusive of Doctors.
7) Other Health Pros should be allowed to rise to Directorate rank if they are qualified however grey areas should be sorted
8] The Title/Rank of CONSULTANT should be opened to all HOWEVER, other professionals should meet international minimum standard before attaining such Rank instead of just few years of PG Studies. And the "Non" Clinical Consultant should know his place in Clinical Issues. While it is good for a Pharmacist to attain consultant status, It will be immoral for him to use such rank as a barrier to a Physician. Doctors are the natural Leaders of Any Medical Teams GLOBALLY.

barcanista:

With the BOLD, the Doctors have substance. Honestly, most people(Myself Included) used to think that ALL Administrative Positions are FILLED by Doctors and HONESTLY I wasn't aware of a POWERFUL office of the "Administrative Director" until yesterday-The JOHESU didn't tell us that it is usually occupied by non-Clinical Professional.

Let me add that the Office of Chief Medical Director/Medical Director Should remain the sole inheritance of Physicians. Reason being that by training, Physicians are equipped with the necessary skills needed for Hospital Management and the have General overview of all the paramedics in addition to their core skills(According to what i read). It will be absurd to appoint a non-Combatant Soldier as Chief of Army Staff.

The Medics need to always feed the public with information on "their own side" of the matter. Honestly, losing public respect is one thing no individual or group will wish for.

Having re-read the Medics and JOHESU demands, I formed the following as "legitimates" solution.

1) The office of Minister of Health should be occupied by a Medical Doctor
2) The Office of Minister of State for Health be opened to other Health Practitioners
3) The demand for the office of Surgeon-General is not necessary
4) The CBN erred by approving the MLSCN to regulate importation of IVF(abi na wetin sef) Equipment knowing fully that the Health Sector is Multidisciplinary. Instead, the Govt should have established a Commission or Agency with Members Drawn from Health Professionals to regulate such and other Health Equipment Importation. (The NMA/NARD should approach the Court instead of striking)
5) The Office of CMD should be the Exclusive of Doctors being that the Hospitals are their primary duty posts and their oversight.
6) The Offices of CMAC & Dep CMAC should be retained since others have theirs and be exclusive of Doctors.
7) Other Health Pros should be allowed to rise to Directorate rank if they are qualified however grey areas should be sorted
8] The Title/Rank of CONSULTANT should be opened to all HOWEVER, other professionals should meet international minimum standard before attaining such Rank instead of just few years of PG Studies. And the "Non" Clinical Consultant should know his place in Clinical Issues. While it is good for a Pharmacist to attain consultant status, It will be immoral for him to use such rank as a barrier to a Physician. Doctors are the natural Leaders of Any Medical Teams GLOBALLY.

welcome back barcanista........ good to read from you AGAIN.

At first when I heard NMA would be going on another strike, I was like WTf ( just like any well meaning Nigerian would respond ). But after going through various threads on this issue, I had a rethink.
l must say am really happy with the way some guys have responded on this forum.
First of all, let me say that the public have been misinformed so much about this strike that the doctors are losing public sympathy.

secondly, how anyone would just covet the post of the CMD beats my imagination. Haba! if u don't make medicine in 1st attempt thinking after all everyone in health sciences is a doctor, u have yourself to blame. That position should only be occupied by doctors since they have a broad view of the other professions.

Thirdly, saying u want to become a consultant just by a few month's training is hilarious and unthinkable. what it took some people years of hard work to get shouldn't be given out cheaply. Funny enough, not all doctors become consultant. Coveting that title is like someone without ICAN coveting the title of chartered accountant.

Abeg,make all these people park well o so that our doctors can return to work and please let the relevant ministry or body spell out the duty of every health worker clearly before every cleaner and mortuary attendant in the hospital start calling themselves consultant causing more confusion everywhere.




#you are free to bash me cos I don't care

seriously there is a feeling of marginalisation on one side and not enough compensation on d other...bt I think reasonable balance shld b put into solving this visual cycle of crisis because the patients will suffer so much

infolekan:

Just answer this simple question? Is Medical Lab Science a Core Medical Course or an Allied Health Course? You can use google before you answer the question.
The core duties of the security man in a Hospital will also include something about protecting the interest of patients and for the best outcome of patients bla bla bla......Aside Medicine, Nursing and Pharmacy...every other course is Allied Health and should stay as that. STOP DREAMING and read the guide for the Laboratory Technicians too....I'm sure it can't be less soothing to the ears

okay introduce yourself professionally then we can talk because people who are not well informed having been posting nonsense imagine so u get your info from google its grossly misleading with particular respect to this issues

infolekan:

Pharm Greg....the point isn't about knowing the treatment for Malaria....its about knowing it's Malaria. while I really doubt if it's any difficult to manage malaria....the problem is what if it becomes a complicated one?
That's why there's need for a job description in the health sector

I get ur point bt, the pharmacist do Pathology in school.
.
Am not trying to say the physician is useless in prescribing but, jst trying to let him know that the pharmacists prescribe indirectly and of cause legal what the physician prescribe.

barcanista:

With the BOLD, the Doctors have substance. Honestly, most people(Myself Included) used to think that ALL Administrative Positions are FILLED by Doctors and HONESTLY I wasn't aware of a POWERFUL office of the "Administrative Director" until yesterday-The JOHESU didn't tell us that it is usually occupied by non-Clinical Professional.

Let me add that the Office of Chief Medical Director/Medical Director Should remain the sole inheritance of Physicians. Reason being that by training, Physicians are equipped with the necessary skills needed for Hospital Management and the have General overview of all the paramedics in addition to their core skills(According to what i read). It will be absurd to appoint a non-Combatant Soldier as Chief of Army Staff.

The Medics need to always feed the public with information on "their own side" of the matter. Honestly, losing public respect is one thing no individual or group will wish for.

Having re-read the Medics and JOHESU demands, I formed the following as "legitimates" solution.

1) The office of Minister of Health should be occupied by a Medical Doctor
2) The Office of Minister of State for Health be opened to other Health Practitioners
3) The demand for the office of Surgeon-General is not necessary
4) The CBN erred by approving the MLSCN to regulate importation of IVF(abi na wetin sef) Equipment knowing fully that the Health Sector is Multidisciplinary. Instead, the Govt should have established a Commission or Agency with Members Drawn from Health Professionals to regulate such and other Health Equipment Importation. (The NMA/NARD should approach the Court instead of striking)
5) The Office of CMD should be the Exclusive of Doctors being that the Hospitals are their primary duty posts and their oversight.
6) The Offices of CMAC & Dep CMAC should be retained since others have theirs and be exclusive of Doctors.
7) Other Health Pros should be allowed to rise to Directorate rank if they are qualified however grey areas should be sorted
8] The Title/Rank of CONSULTANT should be opened to all HOWEVER, other professionals should meet international minimum standard before attaining such Rank instead of just few years of PG Studies. And the "Non" Clinical Consultant should know his place in Clinical Issues. While it is good for a Pharmacist to attain consultant status, It will be immoral for him to use such rank as a barrier to a Physician. Doctors are the natural Leaders of Any Medical Teams GLOBALLY.

interesting post from an unbiased observer who has deemed it fit to listen to both sides of the situation before offering his unbiased opinion.
let me further explain some issues on your sound recommendation

i will answer based on your points.

1, no doubt
2, will the minister of state understand that he is under the federal minister and not try to undermine him as we have seen that this is the major issue that johesu has on who leads the team. that is left to be seen.
3.most likely.
4.agreed
5. agreed
6. agreed
7. this is an issue cos not only allied health workers are under the civil service. going by this request a very large portion of doctors will also become directors so what would this accomplish to have so many directors without regulation trolling the hospital setting. it would be retrogressive to the health sector.
8.the title consultant is not just a specialist. a consultant is an individual who has attained the fellowship of either colleges and is hired by the govt or sets out on his own. they are therefore many fellowship candidates who are still working as registrars even with their status as they haven't been recognized by the hiring authority. these fellows also have a limited time in the system as they would be kicked out to make way for fresh residents to begin training.

the consultant in charge of a patient is the fellow who is responsible for the outcome of management of any patient, despite the other inputs of every other health worker including junior doctors.

in this light what role will johesu gain by having members become consultants. am aware of postgraduate colleges in some allied health institutions and they can get fellowships there but the question is what will the role consultant allied health worker play.

even with well defined roles now there are issues, then to talk of implementing the consultant status on them.

IMO.

PharmGreg:
I get ur point bt, the pharmacist do Pathology in school.
.
Am not trying to say the physician is useless in prescribing but, jst trying to let him know that the pharmacists prescribe indirectly and of cause legal what the physician prescribe.

OK lets ignore my initial question on the legality of prescriptions apart from over the counter medications by law. enlighten me on indirect prescription.

armadeo:

Again I ask apart from over the counter drugs are you by law allowed to give prescriptions. Yes or no.

yea, we aint allowed to prescribe POMs. Well, in some parts of the world some POMs are being prescribed by the Pharmacist.
.
.
.
The regulation differs.. . . . .

infolekan:

Pharm Greg....the point isn't about knowing the treatment for Malaria....its about knowing it's Malaria. while I really doubt if it's any difficult to manage malaria....the problem is what if it becomes a complicated one?
That's why there's need for a job description in the health sector

I get ur point bt, the pharmacist do Pathology in school.
.
Am not trying to say the physician is useless in prescribing but, jst trying to let him know that the pharmacists prescribe indirectly and of cause legal what the physician prescribe.

armadeo:




interesting post from an unbiased observer who has deemed it fit to listen to both sides of the situation before offering his unbiased opinion.
let me further explain some issues on your sound recommendation

i will answer based on your points.

1, no doubt
2, will the minister of state understand that he is under the federal minister and not try to undermine him as we have seen that this is the major issue that johesu has on who leads the team. that is left to be seen.
3.most likely.
4.agreed
5. agreed
6. agreed
7. this is an issue cos not only allied health workers are under the civil service. going by this request a very large portion of doctors will also become directors so what would this accomplish to have so many directors without regulation trolling the hospital setting. it would be retrogressive to the health sector.
8.the title consultant is not just a specialist. a consultant is an individual who has attained the fellowship of either colleges and is hired by the govt or sets out on his own. they are therefore many fellowship candidates who are still working as registrars even with their status as they haven't been recognized by the hiring authority. these fellows also have a limited time in the system as they would be kicked out to make way for fresh residents to begin training.

the consultant in charge of a patient is the fellow who is responsible for the outcome of management of any patient, despite the other inputs of every other health worker including junior doctors.

in this light what role will johesu gain by having members become consultants. am aware of postgraduate colleges in some allied health institutions and they can get fellowships there but the question is what will the role consultant allied health worker play.

even with well defined roles now there are issues, then to talk of implementing the consultant status on them.

IMO.

2, will the minister of state understand that he is under the federal minister and not try to undermine him as we have seen that this is the major issue that johesu has on who leads the team. that is left to be seen.

This is one of the problem we have in this country-Flexing of Muscles. In sane climes, everyone knows his role(s) in the society. Ordinarily, a Minister of State should know where his powers lie, who his superior is and his role in the ministry. He shouldn't need a SS3 Student to tell him that he's under the Minister- Who is his superior. This is where the FG need to step in.

7. this is an issue cos not only allied health workers are under the civil service. going by this request a very large portion of doctors will also become directors so what would this accomplish to have so many directors without regulation trolling the hospital setting. it would be retrogressive to the health sector.

Again JOHESU didn't tell us that so many Physicians has reached or surpassed the rank of Civil Service Director but weren't recognized as such due to control in the Hospital System. Honestly, I thought the restriction was for ONLY JOHESU members. In that case the Status quo should be maintained for there not to be Anarchy in the system.
(NMA seriously have a good case-but not so good PR arm)

8.the title consultant is not just a specialist. a consultant is an individual who has attained the fellowship of either colleges and is hired by the govt or sets out on his own. they are therefore many fellowship candidates who are still working as registrars even with their status as they haven't been recognized by the hiring authority. these fellows also have a limited time in the system as they would be kicked out to make way for fresh residents to begin training.

the consultant in charge of a patient is the fellow who is responsible for the outcome of management of any patient, despite the other inputs of every other health worker including junior doctors.

We outsiders wouldn't know the above and NMA never told us the "WHY" of their opposition. With the above, the NMA have a point but they should proffer a middle-ground without compromising patients health, professionalism and sound training

barcanista:
2, will the minister of state understand that he is under the federal minister and not try to undermine him as we have seen that this is the major issue that johesu has on who leads the team. that is left to be seen.

[b]This is one of the problem we have in this country-Flexing of Muscles. In sane climes, everyone knows his role(s) in the society. Ordinarily, a Minister of State should know where his powers lie, who his superior is and his role in the ministry. He shouldn't need a SS3 Student to tell him that he's under the Minister- Who is his superior. This is where the FG need to step in. [/b]

7. this is an issue cos not only allied health workers are under the civil service. going by this request a very large portion of doctors will also become directors so what would this accomplish to have so many directors without regulation trolling the hospital setting. it would be retrogressive to the health sector.

[b]Again JOHESU didn't tell us that so many Physicians has reached or surpassed the rank of Civil Service Director but weren't recognized as such due to control in the Hospital System. Honestly, I thought the restriction was for ONLY JOHESU members. In that case the Status quo should be maintained for there not to be Anarchy in the system.
(NMA seriously have a good case-but not so good PR arm)[/b]

8.the title consultant is not just a specialist. a consultant is an individual who has attained the fellowship of either colleges and is hired by the govt or sets out on his own. they are therefore many fellowship candidates who are still working as registrars even with their status as they haven't been recognized by the hiring authority. these fellows also have a limited time in the system as they would be kicked out to make way for fresh residents to begin training.

the consultant in charge of a patient is the fellow who is responsible for the outcome of management of any patient, despite the other inputs of every other health worker including junior doctors.


[b]
We outsiders wouldn't know the above and NMA never told us the "WHY" of their opposition. With the above, the NMA have a point but they should proffer a middle-ground without compromising patients health, professionalism and sound training

[/b]



@ bolded.


that is left to be seen, this is nigeria and we know how things work at the federal level that is why Drs are not negotiating those terms.

@ 2nd bolded you see the dilemma

@ 3rd bolded now you see the issues on ground.

in other news i have to admire your logic concerning this matter.

armadeo:

OK lets ignore my initial question on the legality of prescriptions apart from over the counter medications by law. enlighten me on indirect prescription.

go to my previous post where infolekan quoted me on malaria ish. . .

PharmGreg:
yea, we aint allowed to prescribe POMs. Well, in some parts of the world some POMs are being prescribed by the Pharmacist.
.
.
.
The regulation differs.. . . . .

Any "sauce" as nairalanders will say for our perusal will be appreciated thanks.

The Bottom line is that JOHESU misinformed the Public.

My Sincere Apologies to Medical Doctors and the Medical Profession for my lashes on the Noble Profession. I was only being a concerned citizen with interest in fairness and justice. I acted based on the Opinions I got from JOHESU(They Deceived me with incomplete information) and NMA(they didn't explain to us well).

The Paramedics ESPECIALLY the Pharmacists should reconsider their position and honestly ask themselves these questions:

Will they encourage a Physician or a Nurse to Head NAFDAC?
Will they appoint a Nurse or Pharmacist as Medical Director in a HOSPITAL owned by them?
Will they permit a Medical Doctor to be the CEO of a Pharmaceutical Firm or Plant?
Will they permit their relatives to patronise Clinics/Hospital where the CMD is a Lab Scientist?

infolekan:

But its so difficult to make an adjustment to a prescription when you're not even privy to the diagnosis.
Antibiotics therapy vary from Community acquired Pneumonia to Bacteria Meningitis and while I personally don't see anything wrong in a Pharmacist confirming to check if what he saw is what is prescribed if he sees a funny dose ( they do that well where i am and it is usually with the best intentions as nobody is infallible)and God knows how many lives that could be lost will be saved if they do that more often, changing a Physicians prescription is something else and quite illegal if you ask me.
Let's not be so hasty to bring in foreign stuffs unless you are planning to bring in the whole package...in most of those countries you are looking at, implementing the whole healthcare package means that Doctors live and rule like Kings

yea, and thats y I will enjoy Physician-pharmacist collaboration for It was found that pharmacist participation cut the rate of preventable adverse drug events by 66% in America.
.
.
I think this link http://www.acpinternist.org/archives/2000/03/collab.htm will be of help.

barcanista: The Bottom line is that JOHESU misinformed the Public.

My Sincere Apologies to Medical Doctors and the Medical Profession for my lashes on the Noble Profession. I was only being a concerned citizen with interest in fairness and justice. I acted based on the Opinions I got from JOHESU(They Deceived me with incomplete information) and NMA(they didn't explain to us well).

The Paramedics ESPECIALLY the Pharmacists should reconsider their position and honestly ask themselves these questions:

Will they encourage a Physician or a Nurse to Head NAFDAC?
Will they appoint a Nurse or Pharmacist as Medical Director in a HOSPITAL owned by them?
Will they permit a Medical Doctor to be the CEO of a Pharmaceutical Firm or Plant?
Will they permit their relatives to patronise Clinics/Hospital where the CMD is a Lab Scientist?

very salient questions. it would be interesting to read the answers

armadeo: [/b]



@ bolded.


that is left to be seen, this is nigeria and we know how things work at the federal level that is why Drs are not negotiating those terms.

@ 2nd bolded you see the dilemma

@ 3rd bolded now you see the issues on ground.

in other news i have to admire your logic concerning this matter.

Thank you. And I am glad others that will read these threads(on NMA issue) will reason with the Drs on this. But Please appeal to your colleagues to reconsider suspending the strike while negotiating with govt.

I Appreciate your words Sir.

barcanista: The Bottom line is that JOHESU misinformed the Public.

My Sincere Apologies to Medical Doctors and the Medical Profession for my lashes on the Noble Profession. I was only being a concerned citizen with interest in fairness and justice. I acted based on the Opinions I got from JOHESU(They Deceived me with incomplete information) and NMA(they didn't explain to us well).

The Paramedics ESPECIALLY the Pharmacists should reconsider their position and honestly ask themselves these questions:

Will they encourage a Physician or a Nurse to Head NAFDAC?
Will they appoint a Nurse or Pharmacist as Medical Director in a HOSPITAL owned by them?
Will they permit a Medical Doctor to be the CEO of a Pharmaceutical Firm or Plant?
Will they permit their relatives to patronise Clinics/Hospital where the CMD is a Lab Scientist?

so johesu all you need to do is quote this post and click yes to any of the questions!! am out!!!!

barcanista:

With the BOLD, the Doctors have substance. Honestly, most people(Myself Included) used to think that ALL Administrative Positions are FILLED by Doctors and HONESTLY I wasn't aware of a POWERFUL office of the "Administrative Director" until yesterday-The JOHESU didn't tell us that it is usually occupied by non-Clinical Professional.

Let me add that the Office of Chief Medical Director/Medical Director Should remain the sole inheritance of Physicians. Reason being that by training, Physicians are equipped with the necessary skills needed for Hospital Management and the have General overview of all the paramedics in addition to their core skills(According to what i read). It will be absurd to appoint a non-Combatant Soldier as Chief of Army Staff.

The Medics need to always feed the public with information on "their own side" of the matter. Honestly, losing public respect is one thing no individual or group will wish for.

Having re-read the Medics and JOHESU demands, I formed the following as "legitimates" solution.

1) The office of Minister of Health should be occupied by a Medical Doctor
2) The Office of Minister of State for Health be opened to other Health Practitioners
3) The demand for the office of Surgeon-General is not necessary
4) The CBN erred by approving the MLSCN to regulate importation of IVF(abi na wetin sef) Equipment knowing fully that the Health Sector is Multidisciplinary. Instead, the Govt should have established a Commission or Agency with Members Drawn from Health Professionals to regulate such and other Health Equipment Importation. (The NMA/NARD should approach the Court instead of striking)
5) The Office of CMD should be the Exclusive of Doctors being that the Hospitals are their primary duty posts and their oversight.
6) The Offices of CMAC & Dep CMAC should be retained since others have theirs and be exclusive of Doctors.
7) Other Health Pros should be allowed to rise to Directorate rank if they are qualified however grey areas should be sorted
8] The Title/Rank of CONSULTANT should be opened to all HOWEVER, other professionals should meet international minimum standard before attaining such Rank instead of just few years of PG Studies. And the "Non" Clinical Consultant should know his place in Clinical Issues. While it is good for a Pharmacist to attain consultant status, It will be immoral for him to use such rank as a barrier to a Physician. Doctors are the natural Leaders of Any Medical Teams GLOBALLY.

why should the office of the Minister of Health be oppen to Physicians alone?
Is it a hospital too?

armadeo: [/b]


Any "sauce" as nairalanders will say for our perusal will be appreciated thanks.

dint get much cos of some ish bt, this wil help I hope.
http://www.mhra.gov.uk/Howweregulate/Medicines/Availabilityprescribingsellingandsupplyingofmedicines/ExemptionsfromMedicinesActrestrictions/index.htm

barcanista: Thank you. And I am glad others that will read these threads(on NMA issue) will reason with the Drs on this. But Please appeal to your colleagues to reconsider suspending the strike while negotiating with govt.

I Appreciate your words Sir.

I can assure you that we suspend this strike now, while we negotiate and sign agreements, we will call for another strike in one year for THESE SAME ISSUES. mark my words.your government is notorious for not keeping agreements. we have dunces as leaders who are not worth the papers they sign agreements on. the last ASUU strike was on issues that had been agreed on in 2009 and even earlier. doctors deal with human lives and they have learnt to use that to blackmail us. we strike and street urchins masquerading as leaders remind us of our Hippocratic oath which they CANT read.believe me when I say this, there is no other avenue for resolving these disputes other than a strike.

barcanista: The Bottom line is that JOHESU misinformed the Public.

My Sincere Apologies to Medical Doctors and the Medical Profession for my lashes on the Noble Profession. I was only being a concerned citizen with interest in fairness and justice. I acted based on the Opinions I got from JOHESU(They Deceived me with incomplete information) and NMA(they didn't explain to us well).

The Paramedics ESPECIALLY the Pharmacists should reconsider their position and honestly ask themselves these questions:

Will they encourage a Physician or a Nurse to Head NAFDAC?
Will they appoint a Nurse or Pharmacist as Medical Director in a HOSPITAL owned by them?
Will they permit a Medical Doctor to be the CEO of a Pharmaceutical Firm or Plant?
Will they permit their relatives to patronise Clinics/Hospital where the CMD is a Lab Scientist?

the current DG of NAFDAC is a Physician.

PharmGreg:
why should the office of the Minister of Health be oppen to Physicians alone?
Is it a hospital too?

the Ministry of Health is not clinical but it supervised the operations of clinical professionals and other health workers. The Health Min represent them in FEC as well as he is the Face of the Sector.
The health Minister should be knowledgeable in clinical and para-clinical affairs. Only Physicians by training could fill that.

The Min of State for Health going to Paramedics Professional will mean a balance in the sector.

PharmGreg:
the current DG of NAFDAC is a Physician.

yes it is wrong in my opinion. a doctor has no business being DG nafdac UNLESS he has some sort of administrative training that prepares him for the task there.