Toh, think i'v tried for today lemme go rest!

To all those who will misconstrew my sentences, i say....... Happy misquoting

theexpected:


U begining to see reaosn with NMA ba? [/b] y is JOHESU fighting to be CHIEF MEDICAL DiIRECTOR when they can be DIRECTOR of ADMINISTRATION? [b]


Y leave their [/b]CHIEF nURSING OFFICER [b] post to fight for someone else's

Th ething is, doctors are busy, if not for the strike, i asure u no doctor would be on nairaland trading blames these JOHESU guys do shifts, doctors do not

A nurse would do morning shift and go home a house officer will be in the hospital from morning till night running helter skelter doing d jobs of messengers and nurses because they are no where to be found and ur OGA CONSULTANT does not want to hear story.

True...doctors don't av d luxury of "rest" like their professional colleagues. The issue now is that the Johesu did not tell us that the Office of Chief Nursing and co officers exist.
I am sure no doctor will entertain a situation where the offices of, Chief Nursing Officer and Chief Pharmacist are ALL occupied by a Nurse. It is so unacceptable and immoral for others to fight for the post of CMD when they have provisions for their own Chiefs.
Johesu should plssss tell us the whole situation of things. At the same time the Meds/NMA should strenthen their PR dept so as to gv the public the necessary informationn on what is going on and also tackle misleading information.

Honestly, NMA's public rating is going low these days....


However, strike is not the best when it comes to dispute resolution.

theexpected:

U r still making me laugh, in nigeria nothing works, most patients do not have the money to do tests so therefore only basic tests are done in most instances most times medical students and doctors contribute money to pay for patient's test.

Do u even come in contact with patients if u do u'd know that majority are the lower class and are nt financially bouyant


Thats why as a doctor u must be well grounded to be sure enough to diagnose ur patient based on clinical findings, so that any test that can be skipped is skipped and only d neccessary ones are done




For instance if i feel a patient has anaemia from my clinical finding of paleness, i také a bld sample and send to the lab if the lab report says he is normal, nd im nt satisfied i order a repeat which in most instances turn out to be different from the former report.

Bt if i také d initial report and do nothing about it, and my patient runs into complications later, no one will listen to me when i give d excuse that "afterall, d lab report says he is alright"
I will be sanctioned. Thats y as a doctor u would make ur diagnosis even before involving any lab

Another pathological lie typical of the lying egomaniac Nigerian physicians.whrever u practice in Nigeria,hw can u say med students n physicians pay for patients' tests MOST times,dnt u guys av conscience at all?And then to ur example,so cos d second test confirms ur suspesion of anaemia,u then load d patient with all sorts of heamatinics and supplement without caring to know wat d root cause is.let's assume d issue abt renal disorder leading to inadequate production of heamopoietin,then u continue loading ur patient with blood,patient suffers citrate toxicity n dies after massive blood tranfusion.This is exactly why u will b in jail in a sane society cos d will b thoroughly investigated n actsof incompetence or negligence severely punished!

phantomm: @ the bolded. i hope you know that radiographers are the ones who 'photograph' the patients.the radiologists who are the doctors in that department interprete the results..
in the labs ,the lab technologists do the bench work or test the samples.the onus still lies on the pathologist who is a doctor to ratify the results.
my brother these allied professionals are attaching undue importance to themselves.they are not that important.

I am trying to fanthom if you are a medical officer or House officer maybe even a 2nd MB drop out. For a start,I want to introduce my self as a proud Medical Imaging Specialist A.K.A Radiographer I wish to inform you that as far as my practice of Radiography is concerned,We have trained Radiographers who report Tomograms(CT scan Images, MRI Images, Mamograms and Radiographs(Not picture as you call it). I have worked in Australia,UAE and Grenada before returning home to set up my private diagnostic centre where we run X-ray, Ultrasound,ECGand Laboratory Test. We didn't engage any Doctor in our practice because there are not needed. We have been precise and succesful with our test procedures without any complain from anywhere. It will suffice you to note that I take the X-ray exposure and report the Radiographs afterward with my name and Qualifications written and stamed there in. Same thing goes for general and specialised Ultrasound scan procedures(You can see that I have no need for a RADIOLOGIST,who after graduating from Medical school,decides to come and idle in my field of Radiography because of Lack of Job)
Furthermore, I employed a Medical Laboratory Scientist to oversee our Laboratory and he is very copetent in that line without the involvement of any socalled Pathologist. There is a pharmacy outfit beside us where we Reffer patients to buy their medications if need be, especially in Swab M/C/S etc.The good news is that patients get well after diagnosis and take prescribed medications from the pharmacist. We only refer a case that is worth Refferable to selected Hospitals that understand what Team work or division of labor means so that they can also do the needful. For your information Student Dr. Phantom,Nigerians are getting more exposed to know that you musnt go to the Hospital and see a Doctor to be well. 70% of our patients walk into our diagnostic outfit to give their complains.From our vast clinical knowledge based on experience and reading, we clerk them and carry out investigations where needed and where were see an issue we refer them to pharmacy for drugs or to a Hospital for care.
All the points you have been raising in this thread are only applicable in Government Health Institutions where you have your peers as Directors hence JOHESU petition and outcry to put an end to this anomaly.Government researched and constructively reasoned with JOHESU by accepting to implement our plea and a certain unrecognized Association in Nigeria Trade Unionism called NMA is striking against another mans career progression. All this anomalies in the health sector is what made me to reject an appointment from OAU Teaching Hospital Ife, after my Internship because I didn't want to be restrained from progressing in my career. I never regretted my decision to turn down the offer, because I have made so much money both abroad and in my private practice in Nigeria, A thing that I can only dream of probably after Retiring from the current Healthcare Institutions if I had taken their offer. Infact we need a change in this Rotten sector Instigated by a group of practitioners(NMA) that has little knowledge in Management.
In summary, I heard you said Doctors can do other professional duties. With all sense of seriousness I disagree with you. The day I catch any socalled Doctor Touching an X-ray,CT,Mammo,MRI or even an ultrasound machine,talkless of operating them, I'll so sue them using Decree No. 42 of Federation an act that empowers only Radiographers to run diagosis with those modalities.
Infact Dr. Phantom or whatever you call yourself, I openly challenge you on Clinicals let's see who knows it better.
Go to College of Medical Science University of Calabar and hear how student Radiographers beat Medical students in a quiz organised by the College provost for Anatomy courses (Neuro, Embryology,Gross,Histology etc)
Most of us chosed Radiography as First and 2nd Choice during our Jamb, because we wanted to be Radiographers(Eyes or Oracle of Medicine) Can you beat that? Cheers bro.

barcanista: True...doctors don't av d luxury of "rest" like their professional colleagues. The issue now is that the Johesu did not tell us that the Office of Chief Nursing and co officers exist.
I am sure no doctor will entertain a situation where the offices of, Chief Nursing Officer and Chief Pharmacist are ALL occupied by a Nurse. It is so unacceptable and immoral for others to fight for the post of CMD when they have provisions for their own Chiefs.
Johesu should plssss tell us the whole situation of things. At the same time the Meds/NMA should strenthen their PR dept so as to gv the public the necessary informationn on what is going on and also tackle misleading information.

Honestly, NMA's public rating is going low these days....


However, strike is not the best when it comes to dispute resolution.

our PR is zero I tell you.that's why we struggle in situations like these.we need to properly explain to the public.johesu knows we are lacking in our PR dept and have used that to their advantage.

Joenz: Another pathological lie typical of the lying egomaniac Nigerian physicians.whrever u practice in Nigeria,hw can u say med students n physicians pay for patients' tests MOST times,dnt u guys av conscience at all?And then to ur example,so cos d second test confirms ur suspesion of anaemia,u then load d patient with all sorts of heamatinics and supplement without caring to know wat d root cause is.let's assume d issue abt renal disorder leading to inadequate production of heamopoietin,then u continue loading ur patient with blood,patient suffers citrate toxicity n dies after massive blood tranfusion.This is exactly why u will b in jail in a sane society cos d will b thoroughly investigated n actsof incompetence or negligence severely punished!

as usual you have missed his point and already spinning a story around the little medicine you know.

stine b: I am trying to fanthom if you are a medical officer or House officer maybe even a 2nd MB drop out. For a start,I want to introduce my self as a proud Medical Imaging Specialist A.K.A Radiographer I wish to inform you that as far as my practice of Radiography is concerned,We have trained Radiographers who report Tomograms(CT scan Images, MRI Images, Mamograms and Radiographs(Not picture as you call it). I have worked in Australia,UAE and Grenada before returning home to set up my private diagnostic centre where we run X-ray, Ultrasound,ECGand Laboratory Test. We didn't engage any Doctor in our practice because there are not needed. We have been precise and succesful with our test procedures without any complain from anywhere. It will suffice you to note that I take the X-ray exposure and report the Radiographs afterward with my name and Qualifications written and stamed there in. Same thing goes for general and specialised Ultrasound scan procedures(You can see that I have no need for a RADIOLOGIST,who after graduating from Medical school,decides to come and idle in my field of Radiography because of Lack of Job)
Furthermore, I employed a Medical Laboratory Scientist to oversee our Laboratory and he is very copetent in that line without the involvement of any socalled Pathologist. There is a pharmacy outfit beside us where we Reffer patients to buy their medications if need be, especially in Swab M/C/S etc.The good news is that patients get well after diagnosis and take prescribed medications from the pharmacist. We only refer a case that is worth Refferable to selected Hospitals that understand what Team work or division of labor means so that they can also do the needful. For your information Student Dr. Phantom,Nigerians are getting more exposed to know that you musnt go to the Hospital and see a Doctor to be well. 70% of our patients walk into our diagnostic outfit to give their complains.From our vast clinical knowledge based on experience and reading, we clerk them and carry out investigations where needed and where were see an issue we refer them to pharmacy for drugs or to a Hospital for care.
All the points you have been raising in this thread are only applicable in Government Health Institutions where you have your peers as Directors hence JOHESU petition and outcry to put an end to this anomaly.Government researched and constructively reasoned with JOHESU by accepting to implement our plea and a certain unrecognized Association in Nigeria Trade Unionism called NMA is striking against another mans career progression. All this anomalies in the health sector is what made me to reject an appointment from OAU Teaching Hospital Ife, after my Internship because I didn't want to be restrained from progressing in my career. I never regretted my decision to turn down the offer, because I have made so much money both abroad and in my private practice in Nigeria, A thing that I can only dream of probably after Retiring from the current Healthcare Institutions if I had taken their offer. Infact we need a change in this Rotten sector Instigated by a group of practitioners(NMA) that has little knowledge in Management.
In summary, I heard you said Doctors can do other professional duties. With all sense of seriousness I disagree with you. The day I catch any socalled Doctor Touching an X-ray,CT,Mammo,MRI or even an ultrasound machine,talkless of operating them, I'll so sue them using Decree No. 42 of Federation an act that empowers only Radiographers to run diagosis with those modalities.
Infact Dr. Phantom or whatever you call yourself, I openly challenge you on Clinicals let's see who knows it better.
Go to College of Medical Science University of Calabar and hear how student Radiographers beat Medical students in a quiz organised by the College provost for Anatomy courses (Neuro, Embryology,Gross,Histology etc)
Most of us chosed Radiography as First and 2nd Choice during our Jamb, because we wanted to be Radiographers(Eyes or Oracle of Medicine) Can you beat that? Cheers bro.

you can't write English.pray tell, why should I take you seriously? I shudder at the thought of someone like you reporting a CT film.lord have mercy! what language do you write in? pidgin?

phantom: as usual you have missed his point and already spinning a story around the little medicine you know.

u sure knw I av no business watsoever wit u,allow ur seniors to talk,listen n make ur notes,thr is seniority in d profession u r studying,ur lecturers will tell u dat if dey av never.

YourHealthlabs:

First malaria is run in the Parasitology department.
Now if i'm on call as a Scientist and i don't have the constituents for Giemsa stain, field stain or even RDT because your CMD have refused to release funds for laboratory reagents or the fake/expired ones he purchased didn't pass my quality control (this happens sometimes), i'll tell you my patient(that's what you are at that point) to go and come tomorrow for your result and i won't be wrong.

Let's consider all sides.

dude,he never complained of no reagents.He simply lied.don't look for an excuse for him.he wanted to sleep during his call duty.ok,why did he bring the result to the ward himself?the truth hit him.that was why.by d way,parasitology is still under Microbiology.and so is virology etc

Joenz: Another pathological lie typical of the lying egomaniac Nigerian physicians.whrever u practice in Nigeria,hw can u say med students n physicians pay for patients' tests MOST times,dnt u guys av conscience at all?And then to ur example,so cos d second test confirms ur suspesion of anaemia,u then load d patient with all sorts of heamatinics and supplement without caring to know wat d root cause is.let's assume d issue abt renal disorder leading to inadequate production of heamopoietin,then u continue loading ur patient with blood,patient suffers citrate toxicity n dies after massive blood tranfusion.This is exactly why u will b in jail in a sane society cos d will b thoroughly investigated n actsof incompetence or negligence severely punished!

Yea yea i know i said i waz leaving, bt i just had to reply this b4 logging off

Lolz i'm laughin here u r trying too hard to impress with big terms.... So that u would be seen as intelligent ba, of course im nt sayin u r not ooh, cuz i can c u want to start throwing insults


I waz only tryin to explain that most times lab results are wrong and have to be repeated if it does not correspond with the clinical findings.........abi, havnt u heard of types of errors.....[/b] error of equipment, error of the reagent, error due to the lack of skill of the lab attendant, error caused by many other things e.t.c[b]

And u come here to talk about over loading and and haematopoietin andrenal failure like i'm one uninformed fellow that doesn'tknow what it means.
of course if d stuff u mentioned above happens, d doctor's licence can be revoked even if d patient does nt press charges..
How many times have u heard of a nurses' licence seized, or a lab technician sacked for wrong result? due to patients death....its always d doctors that suffer for whatever negative outcome in treatment. [/b]everyone blames the doctor[b]

P.s dnt bother to reply. I'm sorry if u r pained(i do not mean this as an insult pls) i get ur point abi, what more can i say....

And for the records im a lady nt everyone is a guy u know

Doctors are the best hospital managers, study reveals | Society | The Guardian

http://www.theguardian.com/society/2011/jul/19/doctors-best-hospital-managers-new-research

theexpected:

Yea yea i know i said i waz leaving, bt i just had to reply this b4 logging off

Lolz i'm laughin here u r trying too hard to impress with big terms.... So that u would be seen as intelligent ba, of course im nt sayin u r not ooh, cuz i can c u want to start throwing insults


I waz only tryin to explain that most times lab results are wrong and have to be repeated if it does not correspond with the clinical findings.........abi, havnt u heard of types of errors.....[/b] error of equipment, error of the reagent, error due to the lack of skill of the lab attendant, error caused by many other things e.t.c[b]

And u come here to talk about over loading and and haematopoietin andrenal failure like i'm one uninformed fellow that doesn'tknow what it means.
of course if d stuff u mentioned above happens, d doctor's licence can be revoked even if d patient does nt press charges..
How many times have u heard of a nurses' licence seized, or a lab technician sacked for wrong result? due to patients death....its always d doctors that suffer for whatever negative outcome in treatment. [/b]everyone blames the doctor[b]

P.s dnt bother to reply. I'm sorry if u r pained(i do not mean this as an insult pls) i get ur point abi, what more can i say....

Honestly u r nt doin d profession u practise any good.Babe u keep pulling stats outta ur bra n brandishing them as tho they r facts.the drs suffer any negative outcome in treatment?everyone blame d dr?for real?Tell me,who got sacked for the baby transfused with HIV infected blood in lagos?All u guys need are ppl that will make out time to engage u and u chicken out jes lyk u've done.It is too late to back out of d numerous struggles in d health sector,it is only a matter of time.But then,I pity d poor patients.good good nyt

JOHESU'S demands= ENVY! GREED!! COVETUOSNESS!!!
I don't care if u r a consultant nurse, consultant cleaner or consultant plumber in a hospital (all these are under JOHESU). Abeg dey ur lane and consult on ur lane.
The final say in patient care belongs to doctors according to their specified hierarchies. Regardless of whatever JOHESU consultants do, they must not expect to be at d same level with doctors.
For those sympathetic to d JOHESU cause, pls in ur individual homes allow ur driver, ur maid, ur cook or ur dog to become d head of ur household. As for the medical family, no support staff should ever be allowed to head this family.
If u want be a consultant nurse, for every step u take, the most juniour doctor is at least 10yrs ahead of u. DEAL WITH IT!
Even native doctors will not allow this JOHESU rubbish in their setting.

stine b: I am trying to fanthom if you are a medical officer or House officer maybe even a 2nd MB drop out. For a start,I want to introduce my self as a proud Medical Imaging Specialist A.K.A Radiographer I wish to inform you that as far as my practice of Radiography is concerned,We have trained Radiographers who report Tomograms(CT scan Images, MRI Images, Mamograms and Radiographs(Not picture as you call it). I have worked in Australia,UAE and Grenada[/i] before returning home to set up my private diagnostic centre where we run X-ray, Ultrasound,ECGand Laboratory Test. We didn't engage any Doctor in our practice because there are not needed. We have been precise and succesful with our test procedures without any complain from anywhere. It will suffice you to note that I take the X-ray exposure and report the Radiographs afterward with my name and Qualifications written and stamed there in. Same thing goes for general and specialised Ultrasound scan procedures(You can see that I have no need for a RADIOLOGIST,who after graduating from Medical school,decides to come and idle in my field of Radiography because of Lack of Job)[i]
Furthermore, I employed a Medical Laboratory Scientist to oversee our Laboratory and he is very copetent in that line without the involvement of any socalled Pathologist. There is a pharmacy outfit beside us where we Reffer patients to buy their medications if need be, especially in Swab M/C/S etc.The good news is that patients get well after diagnosis and take prescribed medications from the pharmacist. We only refer a case that is worth Refferable to selected Hospitals that understand what Team work or division of labor means so that they can also do the needful. For your information Student Dr. Phantom,Nigerians are getting more exposed to know that you musnt go to the Hospital and see a Doctor to be well. 70% of our patients walk into our diagnostic outfit to give their complains.From our vast clinical knowledge based on experience and reading, we clerk them and carry out investigations where needed and where were see an issue we refer them to pharmacy for drugs or to a Hospital for care.
All the points you have been raising in this thread are only applicable in Government Health Institutions where you have your peers as Directors hence JOHESU petition and outcry to put an end to this anomaly.Government researched and constructively reasoned with JOHESU by accepting to implement our plea and a certain unrecognized Association in Nigeria Trade Unionism called NMA is striking against another mans career progression. All this anomalies in the health sector is what made me to reject an appointment from OAU Teaching Hospital Ife, after my Internship because I didn't want to be restrained from progressing in my career. I never regretted my decision to turn down the offer, because I have made so much money both abroad and in my private practice in Nigeria, A thing that I can only dream of probably after Retiring from the current Healthcare Institutions if I had taken their offer. Infact we need a change in this Rotten sector Instigated by a group of practitioners(NMA) that has little knowledge in Management.
In summary, I heard you said Doctors can do other professional duties. With all sense of seriousness I disagree with you. The day I catch any socalled Doctor Touching an X-ray,CT,Mammo,MRI or even an ultrasound machine,talkless of operating them, I'll so sue them using Decree No. 42 of Federation an act that empowers only Radiographers to run diagosis with those modalities.
Infact Dr. Phantom or whatever you call yourself, I openly challenge you on Clinicals let's see who knows it better.
Go to College of Medical Science University of Calabar and hear how student Radiographers beat Medical students in a quiz organised by the College provost for Anatomy courses (Neuro, Embryology,Gross,Histology etc)
Most of us chosed Radiography as First and 2nd Choice during our Jamb, because we wanted to be Radiographers(Eyes or Oracle of Medicine) Can you beat that? Cheers bro.

Lovely write up there.
Quite difficult to see such and not reply back.
Inasmuch as it makes me shudder both in disgust, fear & revulsion for such self grandiose and a pathological liar who would lie so much online to accomplish what he did not accomplish in his real life....It would however be unfair to the general public if they can't learn a word or two from this obvious liars 'achievements'
This is a man who has told us he is well traveled internationally and threw some countries at us as if he was relating to illiterates here.
People have traveled far more that you have and I can show you the job description expected of a Radiologist from the same Australia he claimed to have been and what this man(who obviously suffers from inferiority complex is doing)
This is one of the main reasons why NMA is against the issue of Consultancy as we have enough crooks already not to now talk of endowing them with the title of a Consultant.
This disgruntled element up here will most likely operate on a patient as he does see any difference between what the Doctor can do and what he should be doing. It is written plainly there that the interpretation of the result is left to a radiologist who will not even prescribe on his own but advise the primary physician managing the patients. But he does all that even refers to A Pharmacist who prescribes
It's a pity that the Pharmacist and the Nurses have allowed themselves to be drawn into this riftraft of a group called JOHESU as the core health professions still remain Medicine, Nursing and Pharmacy.
Every other department is under Allied Health Services( anyone can google that up in their spare time) but those allied health services are making more noise and crying more than the bereaved
http://www.insideradiology.com.au/pages/view.php?T_id=9#.U7Wv3PldWSo
http://www.prospects.ac.uk/diagnostic_radiographer_job_description.htm

Hello fellow NLanders i m a bit angry with some posts but i feel some NLanders commentin might not be medical professionals hence will certainly not have the ideal perception and the right cache of information to understand these issues .ln an ideal environment medical workers including doctors work synergetically ,every medical discipline is imperative in providing quality healthcare in our respective hospitals and different health facilities infact no discipline is more important .Lapses in any of the discipline could lead to loss of human lives .The disparity in salary structure is terrible ( i wish i could be very explicit here) and the points given by JOHESU are all valid and devoid of bias or utterances .A well esteemed medical professional with the right calling always strive to demonstrate intellectual prowess in his or her discipline in other to serve humanity tirelessly , be humble and efficient in duty and not hugging superiority complex ,suppressive in altitude and busy politicking hence missing the core objective of being a medical professional.

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It's a pity that the Pharmacist and the Nurses have allowed themselves to be drawn into this riftraft of a group called JOHESU as the core health professions still remain Medicine, Nursing and Pharmacy.Quite heart-warming u acknowledged d Pharmacists n Nurses as Core health professionals n d whole thing not about d all-knowing doctors.But isn't is disgraceful dat ur very NMA hasn't stopped making calls for d out-soucing of dis very set of core health professionals(Pharmacists)?If we say ur NMA is irresponsible,u will say we are abusing you,u keep feeding on d ignorance of our govt n d masses to ur own advantage.May be,just may be thr is smfin for d masses in d whole of dis.

stine b: I am trying to fanthom if you are a medical officer or House officer maybe even a 2nd MB drop out. For a start,I want to introduce my self as a proud Medical Imaging Specialist A.K.A Radiographer I wish to inform you that as far as my practice of Radiography is concerned,We have trained Radiographers who report Tomograms(CT scan Images, MRI Images, Mamograms and Radiographs(Not picture as you call it). I have worked in Australia,UAE and Grenada before returning home to set up my private diagnostic centre where we run X-ray, Ultrasound,ECGand Laboratory Test. We didn't engage any Doctor in our practice because there are not needed. We have been precise and succesful with our test procedures without any complain from anywhere. It will suffice you to note that I take the X-ray exposure and report the Radiographs afterward with my name and Qualifications written and stamed there in. Same thing goes for general and specialised Ultrasound scan procedures(You can see that I have no need for a RADIOLOGIST,who after graduating from Medical school,decides to come and idle in my field of Radiography because of Lack of Job)
Furthermore, I employed a Medical Laboratory Scientist to oversee our Laboratory and he is very copetent in that line without the involvement of any socalled Pathologist. There is a pharmacy outfit beside us where we Reffer patients to buy their medications if need be, especially in Swab M/C/S etc.The good news is that patients get well after diagnosis and take prescribed medications from the pharmacist. We only refer a case that is worth Refferable to selected Hospitals that understand what Team work or division of labor means so that they can also do the needful. For your information Student Dr. Phantom,Nigerians are getting more exposed to know that you musnt go to the Hospital and see a Doctor to be well. 70% of our patients walk into our diagnostic outfit to give their complains.From our vast clinical knowledge based on experience and reading, we clerk them and carry out investigations where needed and where were see an issue we refer them to pharmacy for drugs or to a Hospital for care.
All the points you have been raising in this thread are only applicable in Government Health Institutions where you have your peers as Directors hence JOHESU petition and outcry to put an end to this anomaly.Government researched and constructively reasoned with JOHESU by accepting to implement our plea and a certain unrecognized Association in Nigeria Trade Unionism called NMA is striking against another mans career progression. All this anomalies in the health sector is what made me to reject an appointment from OAU Teaching Hospital Ife, after my Internship because I didn't want to be restrained from progressing in my career. I never regretted my decision to turn down the offer, because I have made so much money both abroad and in my private practice in Nigeria, A thing that I can only dream of probably after Retiring from the current Healthcare Institutions if I had taken their offer. Infact we need a change in this Rotten sector Instigated by a group of practitioners(NMA) that has little knowledge in Management.
In summary, I heard you said Doctors can do other professional duties. With all sense of seriousness I disagree with you. The day I catch any socalled Doctor Touching an X-ray,CT,Mammo,MRI or even an ultrasound machine,talkless of operating them, I'll so sue them using Decree No. 42 of Federation an act that empowers only Radiographers to run diagosis with those modalities.
Infact Dr. Phantom or whatever you call yourself, I openly challenge you on Clinicals let's see who knows it better.
Go to College of Medical Science University of Calabar and hear how student Radiographers beat Medical students in a quiz organised by the College provost for Anatomy courses (Neuro, Embryology,Gross,Histology etc)

Most of us chosed Radiography as First and 2nd Choice during our Jamb, because we wanted to be Radiographers(Eyes or Oracle of Medicine) Can you beat that? Cheers bro.

mow this is the most annoying post i have read all day, You have traveled up and down where on this good earth have you seen that a radiographer interprets results of anything.

you clerk patients and send them to a pharmacy and you can open your mouth to say you will sue any doctor you see with all those instruments you listed. Jesus is Lord.

you have ridiculed yourself publicly with this entire post.

finally the last paragraph is the biggest lie of the century.

stine b: I am trying to fanthom if you are a medical officer or House officer maybe even a 2nd MB drop out. For a start,I want to introduce my self as a proud Medical Imaging Specialist A.K.A Radiographer I wish to inform you that as far as my practice of Radiography is concerned,We have trained Radiographers who report Tomograms(CT scan Images, MRI Images, Mamograms and Radiographs(Not picture as you call it). I have worked in Australia,UAE and Grenada before returning home to set up my private diagnostic centre where we run X-ray, Ultrasound,ECGand Laboratory Test. We didn't engage any Doctor in our practice because there are not needed. We have been precise and succesful with our test procedures without any complain from anywhere. It will suffice you to note that I take the X-ray exposure and report the Radiographs afterward with my name and Qualifications written and stamed there in. Same thing goes for general and specialised Ultrasound scan procedures(You can see that I have no need for a RADIOLOGIST,who after graduating from Medical school,decides to come and idle in my field of Radiography because of Lack of Job)
Furthermore, I employed a Medical Laboratory Scientist to oversee our Laboratory and he is very copetent in that line without the involvement of any socalled Pathologist. There is a pharmacy outfit beside us where we Reffer patients to buy their medications if need be, especially in Swab M/C/S etc.The good news is that patients get well after diagnosis and take prescribed medications from the pharmacist. We only refer a case that is worth Refferable to selected Hospitals that understand what Team work or division of labor means so that they can also do the needful. For your information Student Dr. Phantom,Nigerians are getting more exposed to know that you musnt go to the Hospital and see a Doctor to be well. 70% of our patients walk into our diagnostic outfit to give their complains.From our vast clinical knowledge based on experience and reading, we clerk them and carry out investigations where needed and where were see an issue we refer them to pharmacy for drugs or to a Hospital for care.
All the points you have been raising in this thread are only applicable in Government Health Institutions where you have your peers as Directors hence JOHESU petition and outcry to put an end to this anomaly.Government researched and constructively reasoned with JOHESU by accepting to implement our plea and a certain unrecognized Association in Nigeria Trade Unionism called NMA is striking against another mans career progression. All this anomalies in the health sector is what made me to reject an appointment from OAU Teaching Hospital Ife, after my Internship because I didn't want to be restrained from progressing in my career. I never regretted my decision to turn down the offer, because I have made so much money both abroad and in my private practice in Nigeria, A thing that I can only dream of probably after Retiring from the current Healthcare Institutions if I had taken their offer. Infact we need a change in this Rotten sector Instigated by a group of practitioners(NMA) that has little knowledge in Management.
In summary, I heard you said Doctors can do other professional duties. With all sense of seriousness I disagree with you. The day I catch any socalled Doctor Touching an X-ray,CT,Mammo,MRI or even an ultrasound machine,talkless of operating them, I'll so sue them using Decree No. 42 of Federation an act that empowers only Radiographers to run diagosis with those modalities.
Infact Dr. Phantom or whatever you call yourself, I openly challenge you on Clinicals let's see who knows it better.
Go to College of Medical Science University of Calabar and hear how student Radiographers beat Medical students in a quiz organised by the College provost for Anatomy courses (Neuro, Embryology,Gross,Histology etc)
Most of us chosed Radiography as First and 2nd Choice during our Jamb, because we wanted to be Radiographers(Eyes or Oracle of Medicine) Can you beat that? Cheers bro.

Concerning the bolded... Double speak in all its glory

benjichuks:

Concerning the bolded... Double speak in all its glory

i fear my own head. hired assassins full town and Nigerians don't even know it.

Joenz: Babe u keep pulling stats outta ur bra n brandishing them as then,

Ahh i say im tempted to insult but i woud not let another as shallow minded as u dictate my response

Imagine [/b] i just knew i would be insulted for stating that i am female,u dint make such a statement until i stated dt i wz a female. Hw can u say i pull things out of bra? Is dt d required response even after i told u nt to bother to reply, u just had to insult sha, na wa ooh Hmmn these r d guys dt want to be CMD...... U just hate that a female took u on.....as i said b4 i wont fall for the temptation to insult u[b]

Keep insulting.....smh.[/b] MR PULL OUT OF A BRA[b]

So childish of u..... Learn to treat females with respect, i know its may be difficult for u, but just try

(Nd when i say respect i mean d type u'd want another guy to give ur sister, or ur mom, note that i didnt insult them, bcuz i know u'd come now and say i'm insulting ur mother, lemme clarify dt one b4 it arises

[quote author=Joenz][/quote]
Never mentioned or thought of anyone as not being important.
The only and major problem with the health sector in Nigeria is the fact that there are no well spelt JOB DESCRIPTION and RELATIVITY in place.
It's easier to quote what is available over there where there are vascular centres and all. Been opportune to meet a Cardiovascular Anaesthetic Nurse and that's a sub subspecialty.
What JOHESU Is asking for is a license for people like you to practice quackery unabated and contribute to mortalies.
One of the commonest cause of maternal mortality in Nigeria is Septic Abortion and it's complications. Don't need to tell anyone where the vast majority of these is done....and this is a procedure that carries the same risk as removing a tooth if done in the right place by a qualified personel(and by that I mean a Doctor)

barcanista: True...doctors don't av d luxury of "rest" like their professional colleagues. The issue now is that the Johesu did not tell us that the Office of Chief Nursing and co officers exist.
I am sure no doctor will entertain a situation where the offices of, Chief Nursing Officer and Chief Pharmacist are ALL occupied by a Nurse. It is so unacceptable and immoral for others to fight for the post of CMD when they have provisions for their own Chiefs.
Johesu should plssss tell us the whole situation of things. At the same time the Meds/NMA should strenthen their PR dept so as to gv the public the necessary informationn on what is going on and also tackle misleading information.

Honestly, NMA's public rating is going low these days....


However, strike is not the best when it comes to dispute resolution.

Do not be deceived by those that believe in congressional hypocracy in order to create an impression. that the post of chief admin officer of the hospital is open to all is a big lie from the pit of hell. God will judge every idle words .

In federal hospitals we have head of admin. This position is headed by the most senior admin officer in the hospital .It is never a clinical position.It can only be occupied by nonclinical hospital staff. Besides the .CMD ,there is office of the Head of clinical services in FMC or chairman medical advisory committee in all teaching hospital....all headed by doctors.
these positions do not have executive status . The .MD orCMD is the chief executive officer of the hospital. It is purely administrative position . You need not be a doctor or pharmacy to perform well in this position as it is an administrative post.

The position of JOHESU is that the hospital CEO that is CMD should be open to those that deserve it. Individuals that have competency in health administration . That somebody is a consultant physician is not enough to be suitable for such position . If doctor must aspire to become .CMD or any other health professional let them have degree in health administration .

We have had enough of doctors era of mismanagement in our hospital. Period.

rolex29: Hello fellow NLanders i m a bit angry with some posts but i feel some NLanders commentin might not be medical professionals hence will certainly not have the ideal perception and the right cache of information to understand these issues .ln an ideal environment medical workers including doctors work synergetically ,every medical discipline is imperative in providing quality healthcare in our respective hospitals and different health facilities infact no discipline is more important .Lapses in any of the discipline could lead to loss of human lives .The disparity in salary structure is terrible ( i wish i could be very explicit here) and the points given by JOHESU are all valid and devoid of bias or utterances .A well esteemed medical professional with the right calling always strive to demonstrate intellectual prowess in his or her discipline in other to serve humanity tirelessly , be humble and efficient in duty and not hugging superiority complex ,suppressive in altitude and busy politicking hence missing the core objective of being a medical professional.

I have a feeling you still think you're in the Jokes section. Tell that story of yours to the marines.....Can't even bring myself to type anything that's intelligent enough for you to reply back to if you get the drift of that I just typed up here.
Means don't quote this please.

Joenz: Babe u keep pulling stats outta ur bra n brandishing them as tho they r facts.

And may i also state that i will no longer give ur statements quoting me or directed towards me d honour of a response, except of course they r nt insultive this means [/b]i will no longer reply u , [b]

As i c u r trying to steer me towards d insultive pattern of arguement i do not particularly enjoy... Which obviously u do, u can feel free to insult ooh, u av no restrictions i promise nt to insult u in return, so cheers


Btw, I know an insult will follow this ,

Brilliant contribution from Dr Yakubu Gana.

We do not need to travel far and wide to know what is happening in
other parts of the world because the world has become a global
village, all thanks to information technology.
The conflict in Nigeria health sector has tugged me to search for what
is obtainable on the key warring issues in other developed countries.
Ideally the Nigeria Health system format is supposed to be compared
with that of the Britain(not the American's) since Nigeria adopted and
is using the British educational/health systems; however reference has
been made on American health system in this write up, for obvious
reason. I deliberately sourced for all information from current and
popular international encyclopedia and/or professional websites not
hosted by medical doctors.

Medical/hospital Consultant
The term or title "consultant" is coined from consultation. It is wise
to see the standard definitions of medical consultation; which are:
Medical consultation is a formal meeting with a medical doctor for
discussion or the seeking of advice....{
www.en.m.wikipedia.org/consultation(medical)}.
It is also defined as a procedure whereby, on request by one
Physician, another Physician reviews a patient's medical history,
examines the patient and makes recommendation as to care and
treatment..... ( www.medicaldictionary.freedictionary.com/medical
consultation).

In the UK, Republic of Ireland and parts of the commonwealth countries
Medical Consultant is the title of a senior hospital-based physician
or surgeon who has completed all of his/her specialist training.....
{www. en.m.wikipedia.org/consultant(medicine) , www.medical
dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/consultant(medicine),
www.gapmedics.co.uk/difference between consultant and a doctor in a
hospital }

Consultant Pharmacist
In America Pharmacists are broadly grouped into two:
1.Health system pharmacist
2.Consultant pharmacist
The health system pharmacist is hospital-based pharmacist that
provides care to patient on healthcare team. They undergo residency
training but are not awarded the title of consultant....(www.asph.org).

Consultant Pharmacists are pharmacist that work as private pharmacist
for individual elderly persons or is employed to work in old people
homes(institute) to enhance quality of care for all old persons. They
are non-hospital staff and do not undergo residency training but write
preparation/recertification examinations. They are also called senior
care pharmacist... (www.ascp.com).

In USA Consultant Nurse is a registered nurse who uses expertise as a
healthcare provider and specialized training to consult on medical
related legal case. They assist attorneys in reading medical records
and understanding medical terminology and healthcare issues to achieve
the best results for their client. They are non-hospital staff....(
www.en.m.wikipedia.org/nurse consultant)

Chief Medical Director (Office)
This title is used in many countries for the senior government
official designated as head of medical services, usually at the
national level. He advices and leads a team of medical experts on
matters of importance. {www.en.m.wikipedia.org/chief medical officer,
medical dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/chiefmedical officer,
www.ehow.com/chief medical officer, www.
gov.uk/government/people/sally-davies}

bumfem:

Do not be deceived by those that believe in congressional hypocracy in order to create an impression. that the post of chief admin officer of the hospital is open to all is a big lie from the pit of hell. God will judge every idle words .

In federal hospitals we have head of admin. This position is headed by the most senior admin officer in the hospital .It is never a clinical position.It can only be occupied by nonclinical hospital staff. Besides the .CMD ,there is office of the Head of clinical services in FMC or chairman medical advisory committee in all teaching hospital....all headed by doctors.
these positions do not have executive status . The .MD orCMD is the chief executive officer of the hospital. It is purely administrative position . You need not be a doctor or pharmacy to perform well in this position as it is an administrative post.

The position of JOHESU is that the hospital CEO that is CMD should be open to those that deserve it. Individuals that have competency in health administration . That somebody is a consultant physician is not enough to be suitable for such position . If doctor must aspire to become .CMD or any other health professional let them have degree in health administration .

We have had enough of doctors era of mismanagement in our hospital. Period.

Bumfem....but there's the Head of Nursing Services....and Chief Pharmacists and Chief Physiotherapists and All.
I remember Physics days in the Universities....we used to have the Chief Laboratory Technicians and the Physics Lecturer. It'd be really appalling to hear the Lab Tech now fighting to head the Physics Dept as he's responsible for the Lab where the tests are done.
A lot of what is being fought for by JOHESU are what the health system isn't ripe for.
Let them compare Salary structure between Medical personel here and over there and tell me if we're running the same thing.
People grow fat in stagnant positions here.
Half the people being quoted are so well read that they can hold their own in any gathering there.....how many of them are here and how what's the need for a Consultant Radiographer who's not going to operate any thing more complex that a CT Scan and isn't even responsible for its reading.

I don't have time to argue with you. Gget your self Informed onn this link http://m.evidence.nhs.uk/details?ci=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.sor.org%2Fprintpdf%2Fbook%2Fexport%2Fhtml%2F9197

infolekan:

Lovely write up there.
Quite difficult to see such and not reply back.
Inasmuch as it makes me shudder both in disgust, fear & revulsion for such self grandiose and a pathological liar who would lie so much online to accomplish what he did not accomplish in his real life....It would however be unfair to the general public if they can't learn a word or two from this obvious liars 'achievements'
This is a man who has told us he is well traveled internationally and threw some countries at us as if he was relating to illiterates here.
People have traveled far more that you have and I can show you the job description expected of a Radiologist from the same Australia he claimed to have been and what this man(who obviously suffers from inferiority complex is doing)
This is one of the main reasons why NMA is against the issue of Consultancy as we have enough crooks already not to now talk of endowing them with the title of a Consultant.
This disgruntled element up here will most likely operate on a patient as he does see any difference between what the Doctor can do and what he should be doing. It is written plainly there that the interpretation of the result is left to a radiologist who will not even prescribe on his own but advise the primary physician managing the patients. But he does all that even refers to A Pharmacist who prescribes
It's a pity that the Pharmacist and the Nurses have allowed themselves to be drawn into this riftraft of a group called JOHESU as the core health professions still remain Medicine, Nursing and Pharmacy.
Every other department is under Allied Health Services( anyone can google that up in their spare time) but those allied health services are making more noise and crying more than the bereaved
http://www.insideradiology.com.au/pages/view.php?T_id=9#.U7Wv3PldWSo
http://www.prospects.ac.uk/diagnostic_radiographer_job_description.htm

http://m.evidence.nhs.uk/details?ci=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.sor.org%2Fprintpdf%2Fbook%2Fexport%2Fhtml%2F9197

For your information, CT scan is not the most complex Imaging modality.Unless you mean that's the highest you have seen and admired .I'm pleased to inform you of other recent Imaging modalities such Magnetic Resonance Imaging, Positron Emission Tomography scans. I'm sure you haven't heard about them, yet you claim to know all that cocerns Healthcare as a Doctor. There is need for consultacy in Radiography, Pharmacy,Physiotherapy,Nursing and Medical Laboratory Scientist. I pity you guys. This is just the beginning of your end.

infolekan:
Bumfem....but there's the Head of Nursing Services....and Chief Pharmacists and Chief Physiotherapists and All.
I remember Physics days in the Universities....we used to have the Chief Laboratory Technicians and the Physics Lecturer. It'd be really appalling to hear the Lab Tech now fighting to head the Physics Dept as he's responsible for the Lab where the tests are done.
A lot of what is being fought for by JOHESU are what the health system isn't ripe for.
Let them compare Salary structure between Medical personel here and over there and tell me if we're running the same thing.
People grow fat in stagnant positions here.
Half the people being quoted are so well read that they can hold their own in any gathering there.....how many of them are here and how what's the need for a Consultant Radiographer who's not going to operate any thing more complex that a CT Scan and isn't even responsible for its reading.

Acidosis:

Tell this to "graduates" who do not know their rights from wrongs

For some of us who are highly learned we understand the entire process

By the way, why do you keep 'shouting' pathologists? How many Nigerian hospitals employ pathologists?

Can a pathologist function without those you condemn so much?
Lol

This aint the issue anyway, why should you and your allied block the progress of others? Insecurity? lol

Most Public offices and Ministries are headed by BSc/MSc holders (i.e Bachelors & Masters). abi una carry wetin pass bachelors?

Why do you keep giving the public wrong impression about Lab guys? Haven't you seen Lab scientist and even technologists with Masters degrees, PhDs?

You think every other person on Lab coat (who isn't a medic) schooled in Health Tech?


Our President is truly weak; people like you should be out of the hospital...

You sound so bitter. And you praise urself too much(calling urself 'highly learned' -na who ask you?).

There is no Doctor, NO DOCTOR, that will CONDEMN a lab. scientist... Its a teamwork for patients' wellbeing. But the way you sound, one(those outside the health sector) may think you guys have a special course @ the undergraduate level that tackles Doctors(in Lab. Medicine).

Again, no Doctor will block the progress of any lab scientist(as it stands). Pls stop spreading ur personal hatred on Doctors to the innocent public.

I also understand some of the lab.scientists were withdrawn from medicine @undergraduate level, others were denied admission to study medicine. Pls again, this shouldn't breed hatred for the doctors. Thank you

stine b: For your information, CT scan is not the most complex Imaging modality.Unless you mean that's the highest you have seen and admired .I'm pleased to inform you of other recent Imaging modalities such Magnetic Resonance Imaging, Positron Emission Tomography scans. I'm sure you haven't heard about them, yet you claim to know all that cocerns Healthcare as a Doctor. There is need for consultacy in Radiography, Pharmacy,Physiotherapy,Nursing and Medical Laboratory Scientist. I pity you guys. This is just the beginning of your end.

you still don't cant interpret the results. keep deceiving yourself.



PET scan lol.

humnsikan:

If the pathologists and radiologist are that all-rounded, they should obtain the samples and analyse same, strictly adhering to standard procedures, and I bet they'd start crying. Look here, we the masses have tolerated these doctors enough.

I still do not understand where Nigerian doctors got this mentality from. They are totally not in tune with international best practices in healthcare. They are yet to see that healthcare delivery is a team work and the patient the focus of the team, hence, their constant resistance to the progress of members of the team, which is to the detriment of the patient.

Let me ask you: can you mention just one treatment or preventive procedure in the hospital that does not utilize a product of a pharmacueutical company before, during or after such procedure? Who the hell are you to say that the role of experts in such products, i.e, pharmacists, is unimportant, when you and I know that everything in the hospital, at the end of the day, boils down to drips, disinfectants, medications, etc? Why do you say that nurses are not an integral part of the healthcare delivery and that their role is equally unimportant? I feel the doctors are afraid that with recent developments in the healthcare sector, which they have, till now, been running as their personal property, some of their fraudulent activities would not easily be covered up. So pls, next time, think with your cerebral cortex and not limbic system (At least I know some elementary medical terminologies, Lol).

. If you fall sick or need an operation take it to a pharmacist, nurse or lab scientist...you can go further and take it to a hospital cleaner. Be reminded that a pharmacist by training should work in a drug company producing drugs.do you know that engineers are members of johesu? How would you like to go to a hospital headed by an engineer? Or a law court where the judge is a medical doctor from the courts clinic, because he has the longest years of experience working in the premises of the court? No let's make the clerk in the senate the senate president after all he has been there longer than the elected legislators..