BABE!:


You? Feminist?

You're one of those clueless females I mentioned yesterday. Nothing more.

cococandy:

I confront issues as they affect me, that's why you see me not talk too much about the west and their gender equality laws. I can't argue with someone who lives there and experiences it first hand.

The thing is instead of complaining that one gender has a movement dedicated to it's betterment,you should be very glad that you don't need one such movement in this part of the world where men are kings and the women are struggling to breathe.
(well unless you're now living in the west where one is being made to believe that men are oppressed)
If that's case pls accept my sympathy.



Here's what I think. Women's right activists made it possible for the law to take care of kids abandoned with their mothers by their fathers.
Maybe there are loopholes in the law which allows individual judges to manipulate it at will.

What's the solution?
Instead of scrapping it and making innocent kids suffer alike,it should be reviewed and made to apply to only the men who the kids are theirs biologically.
If some of these judges are men,it begs the question why?
Is this about caring for the kids or more about the money?

carefreewannabe: Coogar, tell us how much child support a woman gets for a child. You seem to be perfectly informed.

Mondisweets: so if you know that there are psychotic women that premeditate it, why are you stupid enough to have sex with them?

and she is likely to have mental, physical and psychological effects that will affect her wellbeing and health for the rest of her life, if she goes for the abortion.

There is a chance that she might die during the abortion procedure itself.

coogar:

it should be scrapped!
if women know there's no money to be made from child support, they will make saner choices. of course, we are not talking about deadbeat dads who married & divorced and ran out of the marriage. we are talking about unmarried folks and in the extreme cases of paternity fraud.

no. If two people made a baby. Married or unmarried,they should bear the consequences together.they were both adults and knew what they were getting into



appeal which ruling? feminism brought equitable doctrine of estoppel into the equation. that doctrine states the court may hold that because i acted like a parent and permitted the child to rely upon me even though i'm a "stranger" to the child, i have adopted the biological or "real" parent's duty.

in other words, if i befriend a babymama and I was playing a fatherly role throughout our relationship, i could be held to keep providing child support for the child since the little boy has been made to rely on me. a very brilliant law except that it doesn't get enforced when a woman befriends a babyfather.

which is why it can be reviewed if you guys are serious about it



feminism is about equality? of course it is.

believe what you wish. As far as I'm concerned,it is needed here more than ever.




fight for what?
whenever men gather to hold these meetings about the sufferings they are experiencing from their partners, feminists go there and disrupt the meetings.

now you're making up stories

cococandy: It's funny that I don't question your reasons for being non feminist. At least I understand that you may have a reason if you've experienced male gender suppression.

But you think you have an opinion about my feminism even when you have no idea why I chose to be.

Do the insults make you feel smarter?
Enjoy yourself.

coogar:

it's calculated based on the man's income. it then means a woman can premeditate a sex act during her ovulation to sleep with mïkel obi for the purpose of getting pregnant. she knows mikel earns £70,000 per week. of course, her child support income per week will not be less than £15,000 per week.

that's not premeditation?

cococandy:
no. If two people made a baby. Married or unmarried,they should bear the consequences together. they were both adults and knew what they were getting into

which is why it can be reviewed if you guys are serious about it

believe what you wish. As far as I'm concerned,it is needed here more than ever.

now you're making up stories

pickabeau1: You don't know much about western laws yet carry a western ideology

On the bright side you are amenable to discourse unlike many
I agree with review

However I still put it to u u don't know much about this ideology u profess

ask damiso who studied it academically

coogar:

it's calculated based on the man's income. it then means a woman can premeditate a sex act during her ovulation to sleep with mïkel obi for the purpose of getting pregnant. she knows mikel earns £70,000 per week. of course, her child support income per week will not be less than £15,000 pcm

that's not premeditation?

psychosis isn't written on the forehead. both partners should be honest with each other. if the man clearly states he's not interested in having a child before the act, there's no reason the woman should open her legs for him if he cannot go through abortion or the 20 other birth control methods.

then she should close her legs. unless she's räped, there's no excuse! women control who they have sex with and when they want sex. women also have the control of reproduction!
this chance is 14 times magnified if she carries the baby to term.

BABE!:


don't take it personal. I'm sure you have many clues when it comes to non-feministic issues.

It's possible you're a very smart individual. But when it comes to feminist issues, I can't take anyone of you here seriously.


Weren't you the babe insulting panthar (before the e-tsunami) because she had a completely different opinion from you?
Now you're claiming church. Rich.

cococandy: I don't need schooling.


Feminism is a collection of movements and ideologies aimed at defining, establishing, and defending a state of equal political, economic, cultural, and social rights for women. This includes seeking to establish equal opportunities for women in education and employment. A feminist advocates or supports the rights and equality of women.


Is it a western ideology? Maybe because it was specifically given a name in the west. But world over women in developing countries have been fighting to be heard. Is that any different from the definition of feminism above? No.
So should we give our own another name because we don't want to identify with the west? Help me out with a suitable name.
Are there such gender inequalities in my society? YES!
So do I have a legitimate reason to support the cause? Of course


The things is that all these merry go round just seeks to distract from the real issues of oppressive inequality issues rampant here.

I'm sorry if men are oppressed in the west but it won't stop me from sticking to my guns about female emancipation here.

carefreewannabe:
First of all, celebrities are NOT representative of the majority of people so I do NOT understand why NAIRALANDERS always choose celebrities to make a point.

Secondly, how many celebrities do you know that have kids they did not want?

Thirdly, how many women have the opportunity to sleep with a celebrity?

Fourthly, how many women have the opportunity to sleep with a celebrity during the fertile timespan?

Now let us talk about ordinary people:
I do not want to reveal too much of my privacy but in the European country where I am located, single mothers are one of the few groups of people most likely to suffer from POVERTY or to be endangered by living on the breadline. This is the reality for single mothers so let us stick to reality.

Mondisweets: if you can prove that a woman is using the child support for her personal gain, why not institute an action of fraud against her? Again it only requires ordinary common sense!

another reason why you should get to know who you are with before sleeping with her, instead of going up and down london opening the legs of anything in a dress!

so are her chances of dying during the abortion procedure and the chances of her womb being badly damaged!

cococandy: I don't need schooling.


Feminism is a collection of movements and ideologies aimed at defining, establishing, and defending a state of equal political, economic, cultural, and social rights for women. This includes seeking to establish equal opportunities for women in education and employment. A feminist advocates or supports the rights and equality of women.


Is it a western ideology? Maybe because it was specifically given a name in the west. But world over women in developing countries have been fighting to be heard. Is that any different from the definition of feminism above? No.
So should we give our own another name because we don't want to identify with the west? Help me out with a suitable name.
Are there such gender inequalities in my society? YES!
So do I have a legitimate reason to support the cause? Of course


The things is that all these merry go round just seeks to distract from the real issues of oppressive inequality issues rampant here.

I'm sorry if men are oppressed in the west but it won't stop me from sticking to my guns about female emancipation here.

cococandy: Trust me if I insulted you,you threw the first one.I don't insult people for having a different opinion.
I don't roll like that.
If you want to discuss with me,you've to put away high handedness,condescention and leave such words like clueless or any form of snides out of it.
You won't get any vitriols from me that way.

coogar:

we use celebrities because that's the people you and i both know. if i said it happened to my uncle, how would you verify my story? celebrities are humans too.



plenty of them - they use millions of dollars to hide their secret love-kids.



10 times more than the women sleeping with the average jòes!



with 2 pills of clomid, the time of the month rarely matters.



it's not that they are the most likely, they are at the bottom rung of the poverty ladder. there's a reason for this - women want to be with their men for various reasons even when the men aren't interested. are you trying to be naive here that some women don't deliberately set men up with pregnancies or what are you driving at?

BABE!:


I am trying to say, you, mondisweet, are 14 times more likely to die from child birth than abortion.

Mental disorder ? Affect her for the rest of her life? That's sensationalism. The pros of aborting a fatherless child outweigh the cons.

coogar:

that is if they both agreed to have the baby from the outset. can a man apply for mortgage in his wife's name even when the wife isn't interested in it.....he still goes ahead with the application till it was approved...and then proceeded to use the court to force her to pay monthly payments?

here's why each case should be treated according to it's own merit. Did they explicitly have the 'I don't want a baby conversation' before sex? If yes,I'm on the side of the guy. But if they had sex and then dude remembers he doesn't want a child after the lady is already pregnant,then that's bullsh1t.



why can't you see the unfairness here?what about the unfairness to the child he only remembered he didn't want after it was concieved? Here no one cares for mother and father but the welfare of the child in question



that's why it's called estoppel - it cannot be fought!
there's more to this than met the eye. I'd like to know more about it. Hmm


but you can understand why men can't stand it, right?

I think I understand why men over there can't stand it. If it's continually used to cheat them,they are human and I understand. Maybe if I was there and think women are getting it fair already,I wouldn't be passionate about it.
But What I don't understand is why men here can't stand it. Is it the need to keep their women perpetually shackled?


i kid you not! watch this video.....

can't watch the video at the moment. Let me take your word for it.

BABE!:


You being clueless isn't an insult.

Cococandy, you bullied me. you even claimed you knew who "panthar" was. You made false claims that I was a man/trany. My crime was saying that women are over emotional beings.

..... which you actually proved right.

May Zeus forgive you.

swag loverss: If a man tells woman to get an abortion and she refuses, why should he be forced to pay child support?

For instance, a man impregnated a woman and decides that he is not mentally, physically or financially able to support a child and tells the mother to go get an abortion and the woman refuses, why should the man have to pay child support?.

I mean if a woman decides to keep the baby, that's her decision, not the man's. The man made it clear that he didn't want the child then why should he have to take care of the child since it was the woman who wanted to keep it and not him?

Mondisweets: so is every other married woman, but do u see them aborting instead?

i have witnessed people who have been put in mental institutions because of abortions and u think living that kind of a life is far much better than living up to your responsibilities and simply having that child.

pickabeau1:


OK..
You do need it...

What you r saying is you identify by an ideology that u know little about but heck.. In going to do it anyway

Similar to someone who just wants to go to a party for no reason than just wanting to be in d part

Lol

OK..let's leave it at that

cococandy:
here's why each case should be treated according to it's own merit. Did they explicitly have the 'I don't want a baby conversation' before sex? If yes,I'm on the side of the guy. But if they had sex and then dude remembers he doesn't want a child after the lady is already pregnant,then that's bullsh1t.

what about the unfairness to the child he only remembered he didn't want after it was concieved? Here no one cares for mother and father but the welfare of the child in question

there's more to this than met the eye. I'd like to know more about it. Hmm

I think I understand why men over there can't stand it. If it's continually used to cheat them,they are human and I understand. Maybe if I was there and think women are getting it fair already,I wouldn't be passionate about it.

But What I don't understand is why men here can't stand it. Is it the need to keep their women perpetually shackled?

carefreewannabe:


Don't mind them, some people will call the oppression of women an African thing and feminsim un-African forgetting that Americans and Europeans were very much like Africans A HUNDRED YEARS AGO.

coogar:

fraud against who? even the glaring case of paternity fraud doesn't stop child support let alone proving she's using it for her personal gain. come to the UK and see women waiting on their child support check to get spa treatment and louis vuitton bags. some of them spend it on their boyfriends. the law does not even hold them accountable to produce the receipt of what they spend the money on.

cococandy: Yea. It's African and it's our culture.
So even if it's not fair to women it shouldn't be protested because?

Well I know better. But like someone said. It's just a matter of time. No need to hyperventilate over issues that will reslove themselves the more people get exposed.

cococandy: So I support it just because?
Well you still don't get it.
But yea let's leave it at that.

It's a cool sunday here and my favorite show is on

carefreewannabe:
Celebrities are humans with a very different life style from the rest and are therefore not representative of the majority so let us have a look at some statistics which are representative of the British population where you reside

Single parent families and poverty
Children in single parent families are twice as likely as children in couple families to live in relative poverty. Over four in every 10 (43 per cent)
http://www.gingerbread.org.uk/content/365/Statistics

By the way, didn't you once say your apartment in London resembles a match-box?
In this case, you have nothing to be worried about, do you?

BABE!:


And for every 1 of those in mental institutions, there are many having seamless abortions.

coogar:

and that it makes it fair for a woman to saddle them with an unwanted baby?

we have already addressed this issue - they are poor because most of them cannot work full time. they are poor because most of them don't even top of the range degree certificates. how's a single woman who works part time as a temp because she doesn't like math subjects is expected to compete with his male counterpart?

but the rent of that match-box flat is probably your annual rent in your mansion. it's not the size that matters but the value.

coogar:

yes....in almost every case.
i don't see how a woman would generally assume a guy wants her to have their baby because he wants sex. if he wants a baby, marriage would be his first step, no?

the woman may not want a baby at first too. Infact that's the default position. But then the baby went in. They are both at fault for not clearly stating their stands in the beginning. So now the baby is here what next?


he didn't just remember - read the OP's post again. he had stated "no babies" before the sex. he's not ready for a baby and the woman still presses ahead to have a child. whose fault is that?

if we follow strict logic,the guy can be excused. But I'm guessing whoever made the laws looks at the infant kids and decides that whatever the parents agreed to flies in the face of the emergency that is the delicate needy infant. If we are thinking of the kids here then it makes sense too. Even though it's unfair to the man who didn't agree to that.but it's not made to spite any of the parents just to take care of the child. But what I'll never root for is men paying for kids that are not theirs. It's very unfair



there are thousands of such cases on the internet.



so you can understand my grievances but you cannot understand pickaboo's grievance? at least, we are getting somewhere - you are admitting the system is unfair abroad but it's needed in africa.

yes close. I understand your grievance. I don't understand his. But then Not all of it is unfair abroad. There should be steps taken to ensure that the system abusers don't manipulate it out of spite. So that fairness is maintained and balanced




because they don't want to be miserable like most men abroad. if there's an outbreak of rabies abroad, would you not take preventive measures before it spreads to nigeria? google the male suicide statistics abroad & you will understand the suffering of men.

that could be a reason. But is it a case of 'instead of men to be miserable. Let women be'?
It can't be better that way. And they need not be afraid of such occurence. It's highly unlikely


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Mondisweets: why would u want to stop paying child support for your own child?

the fraud case against her will only stop the mother from collecting excess money as maintainence for the child that's it!

There so many other options, you can pay the child's fees directly yourself. Buy the groceries and have them delivered to them (thanks to online shopping you can even do that for someone who is miles away) you can always buy clothes for the child yourself or take the child shopping when u visit him or her.

Or you can file for full custody of the child and live with the child yourself!
There are so many remedies!