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Re: Nma Strike, The Nurses' Perspective. by emeka94(m): 6:44am On Jul 12, 2014 |
I duff my hat for the author of this article. Neatly and professionally written. Reminds of wole soyinka's articles. I've always seen nurses as being crude, unintelligent and not well educated that they're only good in injection and insulting people, this article have changed my view. Not my fault its just what I've seen in my area. #stereotypeisbad. At topic, I agree completely with the article. Doctors have no reason to sit behind desk signing papers and issuing directives after all the money and years they claim to have spent in school. Use this knowledge to save life not destroy it. what happened to human conscience? Dem no dey feel patients pain? Hmmm they should be careful else they loose the sympathy of the populace oh. As someone said above,Other healthcare professionals should use this opportunity to prove to the world that they are good and have d skill. 5 Likes |
Re: Nma Strike, The Nurses' Perspective. by Opiosko: 6:46am On Jul 12, 2014 |
Good one. |
Re: Nma Strike, The Nurses' Perspective. by azimibraun: 6:50am On Jul 12, 2014 |
As far as am concerned the Doctor is equal to the cleaner and the cleaner equall to the Nurse. That's what systemic theory thought me. If its easy let the Doctor clean the hospital floor or let the Nurse carry out an Operation. Every component unit is key in any given system. The Doctors kknow this bt their ambitions are blinding them. How on earth wll a doctor live the hospital and go join politics or own a church and abandon practice? With their training and importance they should keep saving lives with their colleaugues the nurses and other members of the health system. Its all greed. We knw this things. As a child growing up in the 80s doctors and Rev. Fathers are seen as small god and luved bt now its a diff story. U are forced to respect a doctor or else he livs u to die. 9 Likes |
Re: Nma Strike, The Nurses' Perspective. by agabaI23(m): 6:52am On Jul 12, 2014 |
heykims:genitals Clap for me. 1 Like |
Re: Nma Strike, The Nurses' Perspective. by Eretare(m): 6:56am On Jul 12, 2014 |
You quoted Florence Nightingales' dispute with the doctors during the Crimean war. What you failed to mention was that the morbidity and mortality in her wards were worse than those of the untreated patients. Read about her properly and you'd find out that the Crimean war was her biggest failure. It was so bad that she refused to leave her home post-war. 12 Likes |
Re: Nma Strike, The Nurses' Perspective. by heykims(m): 6:56am On Jul 12, 2014 |
agabaI23: genitalsU've done well indeed... |
Re: Nma Strike, The Nurses' Perspective. by godG: 6:56am On Jul 12, 2014 |
Brilliant. I really do not know why doctors want to be the oga-kpatakpata in the health sector. It is absurd. Their ego is actually the problem, they find it hard to accept the realities of modern trend in the profession. 1 Like |
Re: Nma Strike, The Nurses' Perspective. by azimibraun: 6:57am On Jul 12, 2014 |
Imagine the author of this article working with an egoistic Doctor? The Doctor will frustrate him out of the Job. Nurses are caring but the Doctors have turned them into tigers and the patient now suffer. The anger of how the Doctors treat the nurses are transferd to the patinents. Tell me one doctor in Ur area that lives an ordinary life or has his ambition tied around the hospital? Na big dreamers dem be all. Club goers and womanizers. I know them and I see them. As a Youth copper served with them. All they tell you is what you don't expect from them. As if u are talking to wizkid or Dbanj. Doctor they ask abt shoe, shirt, watch, bling bling doctors. 2 Likes |
Re: Nma Strike, The Nurses' Perspective. by heykims(m): 7:02am On Jul 12, 2014 |
Eretare: You quoted Florence Nightingales' dispute with the doctors during the Crimean war. What you failed to mention was that the morbidity and mortality in her wards were worse than those of the untreated patients. Read about her properly and you'd find out that the Crimean war was her biggest failure. It was so bad that she refused to leave her home post-war.Wow, ds part wont favour d line of d op's argument. U don spoil market o coz Nightingale is d mother of d nursing profession!! Op!! Plz go edit ur original post nd inject d truth.. 3 Likes |
Re: Nma Strike, The Nurses' Perspective. by azimibraun: 7:02am On Jul 12, 2014 |
Live florence Nightangeales matter answer the guy as it concerns Nigeria and the way Doctors behave. Looking for cheap irrelevant point to discredit a good article. Am glad both you recognise there was a florence Nightwateever issue. The details are not relevant. Reapond to the issues raised or ballout. 10 Likes |
Re: Nma Strike, The Nurses' Perspective. by DebateNigeria: 7:13am On Jul 12, 2014 |
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Re: Nma Strike, The Nurses' Perspective. by Tinkybabe(f): 7:17am On Jul 12, 2014 |
heykims: With all due respect,a medical doctor's line of duty can never be threatened by a nurse, what do nurses know? How myopic you are!well, I do not blame you, I only blame the environment that you grew up in which has stuffed your head with fallacious thoughts and blocked your eyes to enlightenment. I only pray that you have the opportunity of travelling and observing how healthcare runs in developed countries so that you can understand that every healthcare profession is significant and each has a vital role to play in patients' care.No healthcare professional is taught to be a pushover or just take orders but they are armed with immense skills that enable them to work collectively and collaboratively with others to manage patients' health.. Actually, I wouldn't expect the latter to make meaning to you, but well..get some education! 13 Likes |
Re: Nma Strike, The Nurses' Perspective. by phineas: 7:19am On Jul 12, 2014 |
I've learnt to always focus on matters arising,that way u spend energy on what is important. This issue of other proffesionals becoming consultants in the NMA strike is limited to the teaching hospital setting.NMA is saying in the teaching hospital you cannot have a nurse,lab scientist,or pharmacist appointed consultant. In non clinical medecine and yes there is non clinical medecine it can pass,like agencies such as unicef,who,FHI,health managent org etc employ anyone whose services they need for a specified period as consultants to the org.meaning a lot of UN staff who work on 3months 2 years or more contracts are consultants to the org or project. Transpose to clinical medecine,a patient comes to the emmergency unit with fractures head injury and let's say some degree of elevation in his blood sugar.The Accident and emmergency unit assigns a consultant to him primarily (remember we hope he gets discharged from this dr's care someday,this consulatnt writes a letter inviteing other drs from orthopaedics -for his fractures,neurosurgery -for his head injury,endocrinology-for his diabetes) all consultants come with their team to join him and manage this patient. Now in this clinical setting,Nurses want to be appointed as consultant and the question is what specialized service Are we bringing in a nurse and allied professional for for a short duration to offer to this patient,is there anywhere in the world Nurses are employed as "consultants" in the TEACHING/tetiary clinical hospital For the public to wade into this matter without having been in this world its understandable to get swayed by emotions,but this is not about emotions its about the fabric that holds the system in place,Nurses cannot become consultants in the teaching hospitals,and they should not be cmd in tetiary centers in nigeria. When all this is over,I suggest a reality TV show in our tetiary hospital sys with the patients faces blurred to depict the true picture of the Nigerian tetiary health care,its loooong overdue,we'll see the workload,the sacrifices,the fustration,we'll see its a thankless job,only then should the public start to wade in. 5 Likes |
Re: Nma Strike, The Nurses' Perspective. by uyplus(m): 7:20am On Jul 12, 2014 |
heykims: With all due respect,a medical doctor's line of duty can never be threatened by a nurse, what do nurses know? Please tell me Pharmacist don't know anything too. That we Just dispense the drugs according to da docs prescription plan.. Loool.. glad Pharmacy has got a faculty of it's own and not under the Medical sciences. My friend did his internship at LUTH and der was this incidence he gisted me about. A prescription came in for him to attend. It was written by a 'consultant' and when he was done screening the prescription, he noticed grave therapeutics errors. He then sent a stapled note back to the doc to review the prescription..and ds doc who claims to be all knowing sent the patient back and told him that if the pharmacist refuses to dispense the drugs, he should tell him. My friend just did the simplest thing. Went up to the consultant office, the consultant was so arrogant because he had Hs fellow consultants all sitted there. He just told the consultant, pleases counter sign this prescription and I will dispense it as soon as I leave your office. Guess what, the consultant never did and evn askd him what was wrong and he should suggest what changes needs to be made. Now that is the attitude of an average doc. Do they evn know drugs? How many docs can convert international units to million units? And dey wear ward coat parading everywhere. Soon they will say only docs shd wear ward coats in the hospital. Who are they to say no other profession shd be called consultants and 'dr'. Bunch of eediots!! 14 Likes |
Re: Nma Strike, The Nurses' Perspective. by Nobody: 7:21am On Jul 12, 2014 |
azimibraun: Naija Doctors Big cars, Big houses, Big churches, Kids school abroad, GOs with super churches, Big political ambition, irritated by the poor Nigerian Patient, Consults for BigMen, goes Clubbin a lot and have more girlfriends than an entertainer. Doctors in Naija grooves lk a crazy. I hear Delta state governor is a doctor, peter Odili, ahmodu Ali, Ngige, who else? Name them. So all the knowledge of Medicine gone be dat. Na wa o!guess u Neva met a fully practicing doctor b4..... any doctor with DT much money is into other business (maybe he owns a private Hosp) or maybe politics...... or maybe he doesn't practice in Nigeria..... Google is ur fwend... cos doctor s get easily employed does not mean they earn that much...... check how much other countries pay their doctors and check how much Nigerian doctors settle 4..... you know dz is d real cause of hate.... poverty.... some ppl are so broke in dz country DT dey hate any1 DT is not...... 1 Like |
Re: Nma Strike, The Nurses' Perspective. by klodike(m): 7:23am On Jul 12, 2014 |
Stop thinking.... ignis: Are medical practitioners supposed to even embark on strike? 2 Likes |
Re: Nma Strike, The Nurses' Perspective. by hydeka: 7:25am On Jul 12, 2014 |
Eretare: You quoted Florence Nightingales' dispute with the doctors during the Crimean war. What you failed to mention was that the morbidity and mortality in her wards were worse than those of the untreated patients. Read about her properly and you'd find out that the Crimean war was her biggest failure. It was so bad that she refused to leave her home post-war.With due respect, this is not about the Crimean war. Whatever happened then could be called her own personal failure and not that of the entire profession. I don't know why you guys always beat about the bush and fail to address the issue at hand. Could it be that you guys don't have a stronger argument to counter the points being raised? Most likely. 7 Likes |
Re: Nma Strike, The Nurses' Perspective. by VirginFinder: 7:26am On Jul 12, 2014 |
Honestly, a male nurse should be ashamed of himself. I will never open my eyes and allow my son to study nursing and physio... If he doesn't want to study medicine or pharmacy, he should forget it. To me, a nurse is to a doctor what a secretary is to her boss. The gender that readily comes to mind when you hear 'Nurse' or 'Secretary' is female. Women in these professions have gladly taken on these roles without aspiring to be like their bosses until sissies and wussies joined their ranks. In the medical profession, the doctor is king! 5 Likes |
Re: Nma Strike, The Nurses' Perspective. by klodike(m): 7:32am On Jul 12, 2014 |
Oga honestly what r u talking about? Ochek: NMA STRIKE, THE NURSES' PERSPECTIVE. Let the comments pou[email][/email]r... |
Re: Nma Strike, The Nurses' Perspective. by azimibraun: 7:33am On Jul 12, 2014 |
I don't expect a Doctor or any relative of a Doctor to agree with this article but the truth is that the time has come. The doctors are finaly going to lose respect in the eyes of the population. They have beed suspect all the while but this would represent their fall to grass from grace. From my conversation with folks on the development in the health sector and frm what I saw on Channels TV sunrisedaily yesterday, Doctors are going to lose a whole lot of respect by the time this is over no matter how relevant they are. Nigerians are now seeing them as selfish ambitious ppl more than the Nobles they ouught to be. 9 Likes |
Re: Nma Strike, The Nurses' Perspective. by kaybosedemi(m): 7:35am On Jul 12, 2014 |
Quite on point.Until we see ourselves as partners in progress in all our endeavours, it will be very difficult for us to progress. I had an experience in one of the teaching hospitals in 2012. I felt so shocked with the way Nigerian doctors toy with patients lives. I believe most people study medicine cos of money and not passion. |
Re: Nma Strike, The Nurses' Perspective. by azimibraun: 7:36am On Jul 12, 2014 |
The Doctor I learnt gave Lagos state government all the troubles in the health sector with all the Lagos state Doctors strike is now a house member represnting Osun or Ondo state I am not sure. How true is that? I need confirmation. |
Re: Nma Strike, The Nurses' Perspective. by jumpmasta(m): 7:37am On Jul 12, 2014 |
azimibraun: Imagine the author of this article working with an egoistic Doctor? The Doctor will frustrate him out of the Job. Nurses are caring but the Doctors have turned them into tigers and the patient now suffer. The anger of how the Doctors treat the nurses are transferd to the patinents. Tell me one doctor in Ur area that lives an ordinary life or has his ambition tied around the hospital? Na big dreamers dem be all. Club goers and womanizers. I know them and I see them. As a Youth copper served with them. All they tell you is what you don't expect from them. As if u are talking to wizkid or Dbanj. Doctor they ask abt shoe, shirt, watch, bling bling My doctors.My child reasons better than you 2 Likes |
Re: Nma Strike, The Nurses' Perspective. by captcochrane(m): 7:37am On Jul 12, 2014 |
@op, just to point out some funny points i read you mentioned you were taught the same thing @ 100level with medical students, agreed!! 200level, you did anatomy, biochemistry and physiology, like they taught medical students? That's a very big lie, we take nursing students tutorials, we know what they know 300level, you were taught pathology like medical students of 400level? I laugh in spanish firstly, you guys only do general pathology and it's totally peripheral, we all have friends or girlfriends studying nursing, we know what they do and what they know You won a debate against medical students; debate is not only won by the topic of presentation, you have many points to consider Also, all those courses you claim you did like medical students, most of it were taught by medical doctors, none of it was by a nurse, why? It's because you have {need} limited knowledge in that field The major argument of doctors is that you guys do not know much when it comes to managing patients, who are the main target of a hospital which is secondary to what you were taught in school Now i ask you, when you're sick, do you visit a fellow nurse or a doctor or both? Finally, i put it to the op, tell me 5 areas in nursing that a doctor doesn't know 9 Likes |
Re: Nma Strike, The Nurses' Perspective. by DrCobo(m): 7:37am On Jul 12, 2014 |
drcakes: Naija Nurses Forum LMAO.....link or ah don beileve it drcakes: Naija Nurses Forum LMAO.....This is so sad and funny at the same time....link or ah don beileve it |
Re: Nma Strike, The Nurses' Perspective. by Nobody: 7:41am On Jul 12, 2014 |
uyplus: very funny..consultants office..... so consultants nw have offices in the hospt...pls try another lie.... only HODs and administrators have 1...... what changes were made, give us a clear scenario and stop the lies.... anoda lie is saying dt docs don't know anytin abt drugs, get a life ....even in skull as students we give tutorials to pharmacy students ... we did pharmacology and we did medicine to learn hw to apply dem...did u?...ur major additions DT docs won't have is manufacturing of drugs, ... in d hospitals all u do is dispense drugs....the real pharmacist are in pharmaceutical companies making drugs. respect to dem.... d 1 in d hospitals just dispense drugs...or z der any tin u do relating to patients health again...? 1 Like |
Re: Nma Strike, The Nurses' Perspective. by Ochek: 7:43am On Jul 12, 2014 |
heykims: With all due respect,a medical doctor's line of duty can never be threatened by a nurse, what do nurses know? Ignorance at its highest peak. Go borrow a curriculum of a BNSc student and get better informed. Your attempt at rubbishing other professional careers not MBBS shows how myopic you are. I can bet you are most likely a student cos your response to this article shows grave indiscipline which a well trained Doc knows better to handle. 9 Likes |
Re: Nma Strike, The Nurses' Perspective. by drbigdaddyg(m): 7:45am On Jul 12, 2014 |
Well, the writer cited instances where he performed better than doctors in their training. I wish to say, we hv vacated the hosp for them to admit, manage/treat patients and discharge dem. We are all equal(as he claomed). Lets see wat happns. I will bet him that, he will tell us more hw better he is than doctors after. I hv respected ppl's view alot par their own view of d strike, but i won't let dem continue these their unfounded comparisons in wat a doctors and nurses can do. I bet him dat doctors can work comfortably without dem recording no mortality relatively. 4 Likes |
Re: Nma Strike, The Nurses' Perspective. by otokx(m): 7:46am On Jul 12, 2014 |
The thing about discussing with people of low mentality is that they reduce you to their low level and then go further to finish you. Look at the write up and the premise and logic build. So incoherent, hear the writer say he took classes with biochemistry and physiology students. Those are not medicine students, he did a debate with medicine students on international and national issues and he won. They did not debate on health issues. He wrote an exam based on past mcq of medicine. Chai - this must be an expose in low self esteem aka inferiority complex. A nurse will always be a nurse and that is to care for the patient and aid the doctor. Be happy and content with what you do. This being content and proud of what you do is a problem in Nigeria. 5 Likes |
Re: Nma Strike, The Nurses' Perspective. by theplanmaker: 7:48am On Jul 12, 2014 |
heykims: With all due respect,a medical doctor's line of duty can never be threatened by a nurse, what do nurses know? you are clearly ignorant. you do not understand what nursing is. 4 Likes |
Re: Nma Strike, The Nurses' Perspective. by DrCobo(m): 7:55am On Jul 12, 2014 |
Article written by a MALE nurse...LMAO....not surprised at all....All u male nurses...some of us know your motives... There iz Godu oo....contunu 4 Likes |
Re: Nma Strike, The Nurses' Perspective. by Nobody: 7:56am On Jul 12, 2014 |
"Practical Nurse Pledge", Before God and those assembled here, I solemnly pledge; To adhere to the code of ethics of the nursing profession; To co-operate faithfully with the other members of the nursing team and TO CARRY OUT FAITHFULLY AND TO THE BEST OF MY ABILITY THE INSTRUCTIONS OF THE PHYSICIAN or the nurse who MAY BE ASSIGNED to supervise my work; I will not do anything evil or malicious and I will not knowingly give any harmful drug or assist in malpractice. I will not reveal any confidential information that may come to my knowledge in the course of my work. And I pledge myself to do all in my power to raise the standards and prestige of the practical nursing; May my life be devoted to service and to the high ideals of the nursing profession. now they want to give, not take instructions.. lol 6 Likes |
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