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Re: Nma Strike, The Nurses' Perspective. by trila01(m): 7:59am On Jul 12, 2014 |
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Re: Nma Strike, The Nurses' Perspective. by Dnaz(m): 7:59am On Jul 12, 2014 |
POLITICAL PROFESSIONALISM; A MISPLACEMENT OF PASSION AND ABUSE OF PRECEDENCE I remember in 2005 when I applied for an admission to study Medicine and was offered Biochemistry. I rejected it and applied again, this time I was given Chemistry, the “Bio” was removed, lolz. I was again offered Physiology/ Pharmacology in almighty Unijos (great is the name), I reluctantly accepted it this time but told myself I’ll go back for medicine after graduation. Two years into this five years course, I fell in love with it. The difference is not much as it is a combination of medicine and pharmacy. The same lecturers for medical and pharmaceutical students gave me lectures, including practical. After graduation we were inducted (oat taking), sent on internship – just like medical doctors. Note: we used same lecturers, lecture halls, same textbooks (Gython and Hall, Tripati, Ganon, Rang and Dale etc.), same laboratories etc. with medical students because we were doing almost same course. The fact is that we are health practitioners; the truth is that we are NOT medical doctors as there is nothing like “almost a medical doctor” you are either a medical doctor or u are not! After graduation, some of my class mates who suffered the same fate as me went back for medicine but I didn’t see any reason anymore to do so. They went back because they knew they are not medical doctors despite……. I did a double honor course n I am happy today that even if I’m offered an admission with a salary to go and study medicine today, I will not go. It’s only “no do wells” that envy other people's profession. I also remember few years ago when there was this “madness” for everyone to study nursing. Men and women went into the nursing profession because there was a high demand and pay for them in the U.S, Australia, and U.K etc. nobody talked about the doctors cos nurses were “popular demand”. My question is, can any JOHESU show me any of these nurses over there that is or was made CMD? There will always be an order of precedence. This is arrant nonsense, madness! No matter how a recruit thinks he knows how to write statement or handle cases more than a DPO, he can never head a division. JOHESU should stop this fight of jealousy, envy and professional encroachment! It doesn’t make sense to me or to any reasonable and just person. What i see in the health profession now is what I call; Political Professionalism; office encroachment; Misplacement of Passion and Abuse of Precedence. People should learn to tell each other the truth. JOHESU needs to be told the truth. The leaderships are using your finances to better their lives and tell you they are fighting your course, which course? License you as doctors? That’s only when you can head a hospital. That’s just a misleading fact, the truth is that it’s not late for you to go back to school and become a doctor. How on earth do people think, with their anus? How can a certified medical doctor take directives/instructions from a nurse, pharmacist, herbalist, mechanic, etc. all in the name of JOHESU? What would you do in that post? This is simply envy and jealousy but out of place cos I remember, in my 200level we were almost 90 in number but in 300level we were a little more than 70. In graduation, less than 50 made it. Many voluntarily withdrew cos to them the work load was too much for just one certificate, others were asked to withdraw cos they seem not to belong there with what they were putting in. By tomorrow, even babalawos and witch doctor, people u studied physical n health in education will want head hospitals; after all they’re even doctors by profession, lolz. The gap is so much that doctors can do without JOHESU but I bet you, you can’t do medicals without doctors, let’s be frank. Isn’t it obvious that while doctors are on strike people lament and beg doctors to come back, are you not there JOHESU? I think that tells you where you belong. If JOHESU is as good as NMA why will patients cry the absence of doctors from hospitals? Today people are dying in the hospitals just because one man has refused to stay in his place. I know JOHESU thinks they “know the job better than doctors” that’s a fact. The truth is, no matter how big a butterfly grows, it can never be a bird “let every man stay in the profession wherein he is called and be the best there, to avoid noise making” why won’t nurses make auxiliary or nurses from nursing schools Chief Matrons? After all they are more practical than the B.Sc nurses! Let’s respect each other’s office. We need each other but the order of precedence must be observed and respected. If u still think what a doctor can do, JOHESU can do better, I tell you, you are only being sentimental not rational. And if you still want to head a hospital, that won’t be a problem but pls, go back to school. But if you think that’s too much at this stage, pls go and hug a transformer. # sosayslolo 8 Likes |
Re: Nma Strike, The Nurses' Perspective. by azimibraun: 7:59am On Jul 12, 2014 |
This will sure Hurt any doctor or a relative of a doctor. So dnt gt mad when u get insulted for supporting the article and even trying butress what the article represents. Its typical of Nigerians, we always stand by our breadwinners no matter how wrong they are. This is the moment of truth for the doctors. They need to be put in their proper place. We can't seatback and watch sm ppl become too powerful beyond our control. They are paid with taxpayers money and so must be responsible. 2 Likes |
Re: Nma Strike, The Nurses' Perspective. by poiZon: 7:59am On Jul 12, 2014 |
kbshow100: Not ready to read to read that stuff (too long). I need summary like u do summarize love making wif those gehls. bro like lovemaking THE LONGER THE SWEETER. 1 Like |
Re: Nma Strike, The Nurses' Perspective. by Onlinebizexpert(m): 8:00am On Jul 12, 2014 |
azimibraun: The only disagreement I have with this write is the fact tha, he doesn't understand why the Doctors want to be incharge. If doctors don't manage the hospitals as chief Medical directors(cmd) how does he want them to raise money for the political ambitions and plans of owning big churches? The Doctor needs to have a budget and award contracts to make money and become a Senator, Governor, House member and General Overseer. Check the Nigerian senate and various churches and private hospitals and u wll understand what am talking about. shey na the same indian doctors they pursue commot abuja because their medical attributes was nothing to write home about a doctor is not a god he can make mistake do not let your conscience be clouded by sentiments thank you sir 4 Likes |
Re: Nma Strike, The Nurses' Perspective. by Waspy(m): 8:00am On Jul 12, 2014 |
VirginFinder: Honestly, a male nurse should be ashamed of himself.Your ignorance will be cleared when you are enlightened.... the author of the article is a male with a friable stature 6 Likes |
Re: Nma Strike, The Nurses' Perspective. by Onlinebizexpert(m): 8:01am On Jul 12, 2014 |
justi4jesu: honey what now |
Re: Nma Strike, The Nurses' Perspective. by infolekan(m): 8:01am On Jul 12, 2014 |
The writer is highly intelligent and hasn't spoken an untrue word. The issue of MRI in every hospital can't be over stretched....that's the norm in UK. Nigeria is a struggling country in all ramifications and lack of MRI isn't because of the doctors but the country. He's talking of MRI in the hospitals when out secondary schools don't even have class rooms. That's a problem of every sector in Nigeria. I can tell you first hand that Doctors in UK or US or most other countries live far above the average Doctor here or Nurses at that. The Nurses are not really involved in this fight because majority if them went to Nursing school and don't even have a degree to start with. The issue of CMD I think is peculiar to Nigeria and I personally don't care who is the CMD as long as the hospital gets better for it. But we all know everyone is fighting for money so I can't begrudge anyone that. The guy said a lot of half truths for someone that has worked over there. 3 Likes |
Re: Nma Strike, The Nurses' Perspective. by Morotov1(m): 8:03am On Jul 12, 2014 |
otokx: The thing about discussing with people of low mentality is that they reduce you to their low level and then go further to finish you.OBEMBE look ALIKE. The guy has been spewing brimstone about nurses all over the internet, national dailies and television that people are beginning to wonder what exactly is with this guy. You spend time belittling nurses only when you felt threatened by them, and i think doctors should be because if ever FG will look for other alternative; nurses will be their first point of call. With 2 or 3 years of update course or scheduled masters degree channelled towards patients care........we will have mid-level players as they have in US and some other developed countries that have a goal of sprouting us out of our 182 or 192 position we are in. 3 Likes |
Re: Nma Strike, The Nurses' Perspective. by trila01(m): 8:05am On Jul 12, 2014 |
R u 4 real.. so D seat by d hosp corridors to write prescriptions |
Re: Nma Strike, The Nurses' Perspective. by justi4jesu(f): 8:06am On Jul 12, 2014 |
Onlinebizexpert: lmao...dont honey me, you know wat u did up der |
Re: Nma Strike, The Nurses' Perspective. by FDenigma: 8:08am On Jul 12, 2014 |
Please, Mr. Oladayo Afolabi, a trained Nurse-Midwife Researcher, Health Management Consultant and Idea Driver for MACHE initiative Nigeria, etc,... can you swear by Ogun that you did not ever seek admission to read MEDICINE?
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Re: Nma Strike, The Nurses' Perspective. by apacheguy: 8:08am On Jul 12, 2014 |
Let all other professionals in the medical field join the debate so we can have a clearer pictures of the issue at hand, i salute the writer for a well written argument against the actions of the doctors, knowledge of health care services and knowledge of healthcare management though very similar, they re not the same, as such, intelligence nd administrative skills are imperative which i believe every profession in the medical field should be able to handle and shouldnt be exclusive right of the doctors, doctors in Nigeria over the years have enjoyed undue respect and overdue comfort, which account for many attrocities and blunders being committed by them....instances of wrong diagnosis and incompetence are abound, leading to deaths from minor diseases, wrong diagnosis of minor injuries resulting into complications....this is the time to check their excesses and challenge them to b upright 3 Likes |
Re: Nma Strike, The Nurses' Perspective. by otagbuegede: 8:10am On Jul 12, 2014 |
I laugh in french...after sharing the same curriculum in school wit the doctor, do yu go to see a fellow nurse when yu r sick? and some one opened his filthy mouth calling doctors bunch of idiots. God help us all 1 Like |
Re: Nma Strike, The Nurses' Perspective. by azimibraun: 8:10am On Jul 12, 2014 |
^^ " pls go and Hug a transformer" " a police recruit will never head a division" that is a proffesional talking o! Naija is doomed. My inlaw started as a recruit he now heads a division even wen ur analogy is completly out of context as it hs nothing to do with the topic. Dynamism is part of our everyday life. If a doctor heads an Hospital and gv intructions or orders ato the pharmacist and nurses as you put it because that's what is obtainable, what happens overtime when further modificcation to our public health policies and the pharmacist or nurse as a result of further studies and qualification in line with existing laws now qualifies to head an hospital? The doctor will be 2 big to work with him? I won't use take orders like u did because I know its a team work in the hospital. My guy change is hard to accept but the eventualy come to stay. 4 Likes |
Re: Nma Strike, The Nurses' Perspective. by retepmurt(m): 8:11am On Jul 12, 2014 |
The general impression be say nurses are 'sexual materials' to Doctors in the hospital. No be me talk am o bt na people talk am. |
Re: Nma Strike, The Nurses' Perspective. by nursemyke: 8:11am On Jul 12, 2014 |
heykims: With all due respect,a medical doctor's line of duty can never be threatened by a nurse, what do nurses know?I quite disagree with you, I am a degree holder in nursing from ABU Zaria. Just like the OP said we have great training in clinical and nursing diagnosis. I was taught physical examination by Prof Okpapi, I learnt under Prof Onyemelukwe, Abdul Aguye and other professor. Prof Rafindadi now at University of Lokoja taught me clinical pathology. I did gross anatomy, and every other preclinical courses, are they to make me physician aid or a better Patient carer ? I am proud to be a nurse and doing it well. Currently am into advanced nursing practice and been assisting in research and training of residents who has passed part 1 in both west Africa college and national post graduate college and the who went for primaries. Look there paradigm shift in the health care sector now. Every professional is as important as the other 9 Likes |
Re: Nma Strike, The Nurses' Perspective. by Nobody: 8:11am On Jul 12, 2014 |
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Re: Nma Strike, The Nurses' Perspective. by FDenigma: 8:12am On Jul 12, 2014 |
Otokx is right. Be content in your position. The only thing uniting JOHESU is doctor-phobia (or perverted doctor-philia?). Soon, within JOHESU, nurses, pharmacist and their allied para-medical professions will start their own tussle. RN vs. B. Sc Nursing has already started. 1 Like |
Re: Nma Strike, The Nurses' Perspective. by omicron(m): 8:13am On Jul 12, 2014 |
Everyone must get back to the drawing board
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Re: Nma Strike, The Nurses' Perspective. by Mbediogu(m): 8:14am On Jul 12, 2014 |
what course will you sit with a consultant when you were not eligible to mbbs?-just asking. There have been attempts in the past by Nigerian politicians to rail road nurses into the medical profession by sending them to England for 3months, and I think that is where the impetus originated. A business man who has the means can bring in MRI and other equipment lacking in government hospitals, it does not matter if he is a nurse or not. Professional, I would like to know if the nurse is the one requesting, operating, and interpreting the results. Is he the one managing the diagnosed results of his tests with 4yr B.sc training? Never mind that he may be mission hospital trained 1 Like |
Re: Nma Strike, The Nurses' Perspective. by Nobody: 8:17am On Jul 12, 2014 |
I could see even from the beginning of your write up that it was all borne out of bitterness and ego. You tried to feed the public with lies and inaccuracies on how your training is close to that of doctors. FYI reproductive and digestive physiology plus neuroanatomy is a small part of the curriculum of basic medical science. I did teach some nursing sisters in my basic medical science years and I remember vividly my amusement at how shallow the course materials are. It is however not intended to make them doctors so it is understandable. Medicine is not cult. It is open to everyone who has sufficient motivation. Some of my classmates in med school were nurses who wanted to move up the ladder. Why is this generation of allied health professionals trying to take the short cut. BTW over 70% of the senior nurses in Nigeria have basic nursing certification plus extra training not BSc nursing. 2 Likes |
Re: Nma Strike, The Nurses' Perspective. by azimibraun: 8:18am On Jul 12, 2014 |
Can the physician alone do the job? That is just one person's opinion. Its jst semantic. Ppl's relationship smtime if cordial makes them overlook policies. To (aid) a physician is strictly does not translate to bin a servant of the physician. The work is cut out for both parties by the laws governing the hospital and practice. Let the chief pharnacist head the pharmacy dept, let the chief Nursing officer head the Nursing dept, let a chief or Senior doctor head the doctors as an adminitrator or any of the chiefs frm the various depts can head the hospital. It mst not be the Doctors only. 5 Likes |
Re: Nma Strike, The Nurses' Perspective. by rofemiguwa(f): 8:18am On Jul 12, 2014 |
It is unbeliveable how u people come up with a lie and stick to iT even tiLl death , even when the truth is evident u still stick to ur lie. U wanna swear that it is a doctor that tot u anatomy, pphysiogy, biochemistry, pharmacology. U guys are unbelivable. The only time u encounter ur doctors is when u pass ur part 1 and start clinicals. Stop telling white lies. Up till den. It is the same gross anatomy, neuro anatomy, histology, physiology, biochemistry. that is being tot, it is the same exams given. It is the same steeple chase, the same viva, it is the same cadavar that is being cut. The groups are made up of. Stop lying to the world. The know the truth. And no the fact u study pharcomolgy one semester doesn't make u know more that someone that studied pharcomolgy for 5 years.the fact u brush through the laB during one semester or u ppass tru radiology during one posting doesn't mean u know jack about this other profession. Stick to medicine it is ur calling pleaseeeeee let others do wat they spent five years pluS oneyr intenship doing. Let them grow and advance in their field. I don't see the pharmacist wanting to be a consultant surgeon. This power tussle is crazy. Live and let us live biko! captcochrane: @op, just to point out some funny points i read 4 Likes |
Re: Nma Strike, The Nurses' Perspective. by infolekan(m): 8:19am On Jul 12, 2014 |
Morotov1: OBEMBE look ALIKE. The guy has been spewing brimstone about nurses all over the internet, national dailies and television that people are beginning to wonder what exactly is with this guy. You spend time belittling nurses only when you felt threatened by them, and i think doctors should be because if ever FG will look for other alternative; nurses will be their first point of call.And you seem to think the major problem with that isn't our health facilities? We just don't have the equipments. Name any sector in Nigeria where we have any facility in the top 100 anything in the world. Read about malpractice in the US or UK with their advanced machines and you'll realise half of what it takes to make a diagnosis. For me.....Nurses and Pharmacists are professionals in their field,we just need a proper job description. 3 Likes |
Re: Nma Strike, The Nurses' Perspective. by dexterinc2003: 8:19am On Jul 12, 2014 |
Once again....i would like 2 remix a previous post.. Kubbler Ross stages of grief........ 1.DENIAL 2.ANGER 3.BARGAINING 4.DEPRESSION 5.ACCEPTANCE The FG is on stage 3(BARGAINING)...while JOHESU is on stage 4(DEPRESSION)....the unfortunate general populace is on stage 2(ANGER). The strike will be called off when everyone meets at stage 5(ACCEPTANCE). Tilll then,keep dropping your comments while avoiding the needful. Im waiting for the slow olodo still on stage 1(DENIAL)to come and quote me. 6 Likes
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Re: Nma Strike, The Nurses' Perspective. by nationwide24: 8:23am On Jul 12, 2014 |
Oya, mek consultant nurses go open teaching hospitals and FMCs and start attending to patients only then will this view hold water. 3 Likes |
Re: Nma Strike, The Nurses' Perspective. by donodion(m): 8:24am On Jul 12, 2014 |
Nurses are vibing.Kudos to these Angels in white.I love Nurses 2 Likes |
Re: Nma Strike, The Nurses' Perspective. by azimibraun: 8:24am On Jul 12, 2014 |
Florence no florence we have a peculiar case hia and we mst treat it our own way in line with international best practice if need be. This cheap floren Nightingale is not my major concer. Let's fix this mess doctors are creating. Thos sayin hw can a nurse head the hospital are jst not serious. U make it sound as if its a nurse or pharmacist with 2 yrs experience. A pharmacist with 20yrs and above experience in the hospital with adittional qualification in management studdies will run a hospital and even a Nurse with same. Let non practitioners run our hospitals. At most let the NUC introduce a new course in our universities to train mamnagers to run public health institutions. Doctors, Nurses and Pharmacist with the others should face their chosen proffession. 3 Likes |
Re: Nma Strike, The Nurses' Perspective. by otagbuegede: 8:27am On Jul 12, 2014 |
I luv this nightingale pledge thing clearly spelt out and highlighted for these nurses esp the male ones who probably would be answering doctor in his village or neighbourhood nd also displaying gigantic stethoscope in his car lol. Doctor WANNABES 3 Likes |
Re: Nma Strike, The Nurses' Perspective. by yomi007k(m): 8:27am On Jul 12, 2014 |
ignis: Are medical practitioners supposed to even embark on strike?They do so everywhere in the world. |
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