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Re: Nma Strike, The Nurses' Perspective. by Eldavido1: 10:21am On Jul 12, 2014 |
tohpahz: It's these illiterate bunch that are making arguments on the doctors side more plausible. How can one spew such trash? So when a doctor prescribe sets of medications, your lousy self and Co bunch of killers have different medications to also administer right? No wonder this battle has and most be won by NMA. 2 Likes |
Re: Nma Strike, The Nurses' Perspective. by elohorayodele: 10:23am On Jul 12, 2014 |
dumodust: Pls before you jump into a discussion and make funny conclusions try to ask questions so you get the whole picture. He did all the scans and tests possible at all hospitals. Reddington hospital bill was very hefty. He had muscular spasms resulting in severe Shoulder and back pain. Exact word used was alcoholic neuropathy due to depletion of Ca and some other key vitamins and minerals. Since he didn't suffer any injury affecting his bones, his muscles where the most likely culprit. This made the 2nd dr diagnose a muscle tear. He is not on any pain killers at the moment. If the injections worked he wouldn't have been looking for a 3rd hospital due to the pain. Nigerian trained doctors practice abroad just like Indian trained doctors practice in Nigeria and contrary to your claim he's licenced. |
Re: Nma Strike, The Nurses' Perspective. by dexterinc2003: 10:27am On Jul 12, 2014 |
blink182: Some years back I started having pains in my left leg veins and gradual joint stiffness. I went to hospital and was placed on pain killers which made no difference. I complained to the doctor but he said the pains will go. Eventually I was placed continuously on strong pain killers. My left femoral head had to crack and cave in under my weight before doctors started suspecting I had avascular necrosis of the left femoral head. It was even a lab technician that gave the diagnosis after a friend suggested I did xray. I took the result to 2 different bone doctors. One said I should wait until I became crippled and accept my life like that, the other said I should prepare to have the joint replaced. I was preparing for the operation when my mum met a guy with same condition but worse though he was now fully recovered. He directed us to the 'uneducated' bone specialist who treated me, stopped further deterioration of the joint and reduced joint pain. My friend,keep quiet!!!u think its ASUU strike wer talking about here abi...because ur babalawo managed 2 patch u up temporarily u r now coming here 2 Run ur lips...u need 2 quit ur passive aggression and begin 2 think rationally,b4 u suggest ur babalawo joins JOHESU to replace doctors. 2 Likes |
Re: Nma Strike, The Nurses' Perspective. by Gozzzy(m): 10:30am On Jul 12, 2014 |
Nice piece, truth be told. But sentiments aside, doctors stopped working in government hospitals, so that you nurses, lab hommies, physiotherapists, anaesthetists, cleaners, security men, generator men, and all what not, can come out and do the job, since you people said they can go to hell,cos una fit do am better than they...... Why are you people being so pained Action speaks better vocabulary than this dictionary you are pouring out here. You people should do the job and "shame" the doctors, IF YOU CAN. But since you can't, why not succumb to the doctors that can? But if you can, why rant? Let your works do the shouting. Patients and hospitals have been left in your care..... I wonder what else you want! The doctors' balls and labiaa 1 Like |
Re: Nma Strike, The Nurses' Perspective. by phantom(m): 10:34am On Jul 12, 2014 |
After reading through the article by Alli John Adeolu, Chief Medical Laboratory Scientist of God knows where, I couldn't help but punch my keyboard in response to his distortion of facts. There will have been no need for a reply if it were only for his low quality unreferenced write up. NMA raised 24 demands, but for reasons best known to him, he decided to chose only 4. I think there is no need for me to respond to the jaundiced comparison of Doctors to either our colonialists/imperialists or Boko Haram, that will be too childish. If one finds it difficult to differentiate civility from primitiveness and started comparing Nigerian Doctors with murderous groups, then I guess it is a waste of intellectual calorie to try to reply. Chief, doctors are not superior to other health workers because the former spent 6 years in undergraduate school, sam sam. Professional superiority arises because of competitive knowledge advantage and nothing else. Even if you extend the study of medical laboratory science to 10 years, its certificate cannot be equivalent to that of MBBS because the curriculum differs, their roles differ. It is not a matter of theology; belief or unbelief. The FMOH of Nigeria doesn't have directories, but rather directorates and they are 8 and not at least 5 and they are not all headed by Doctors. According to Presidential Committee on a Harmonious Work Relationship Amongst Health Workers and Amongst Professional Groups in the Health Sector chaired by Hon. Justice Bello A. Gusau, "By its approved structure, the Federal Ministry of Health has eight Departments, namely: Department of Human Resources; Department of Finance & Accounts; Department of Planning, Research & Statistics; Department of Procurement; Department of Hospital Services; Department of Public Health; Department of Family Health and the Department of Food & Drugs Services. Of the four Professional Departments, three are headed by medical practitioners while one is headed by a health professional who is not a medical practitioner." Do you propose a JOHESU to head Hospital Services, Public Health or Family Health? Yes the CMD and the CMAC are doctors, but you failed to mention the latter is a director of clinical services representing all the clinical departments with a single vote just like the director of administration, director of Nursing etc. The CMD is a Doctor because the law said so, you can always go to court if you are not happy about that. No, Doctor mustn't head medical lab scientist, but a Doctor must head clinical laboratory. If you decide to open your private lab, no Doctor will lord over you, but then he won't use results. Truth is Doctors don't hate you guys to have increase in salary, but their must be relativity otherwise what is the essence of adding quality to patient care? Wages are paid based on intellectual input here on earth, I don't know of other planets. No Sir, thats incorrect, Doctors do not earn a minimum of N250,000 in Federal Institutions and a very senior consultant N500,000. Either you didn't see the circular or you are distorting it. Wouldn't it have been easier to just reproduce it here and compare CONMESS and CONHESS, to see who is cheating who? I want to believe even a junior staff knows salary is divided in to basic salary and allowances. Federal Ministry of Education pays lecturer-Doctors basic salary while Federal Ministry of Health pays them call and specialist allowance. Does that constitute double salary? You see, don't dabble in to something you have no knowledge of. Have you ever read the responsibility of a Consultant? Do you imagine the fellowship is just for his immediate environment and his services not required in the periphery? Please check the geographical radius a consultant is suppose to rotates. Since you are not a constitutional lawyer, why don't you allow a competent court of law interprets what medically qualified means. Shikenan. You insinuated medically qualified applies to you, thats delusional. Read the act for the appointment of CMD again or get a translation. You carelessly define the word consultant without a single reference in the hope the gullible and lazy populace wont crosscheck. Both Advanced learners English dictionary and Merriam Webster dictionary have two similar definitions for the word. As per the latter thus; 1. A person who gives professional advice or services to companies for a fee. 2. A hospital Doctor of the highest rank who is an expert in a particular area of medicine. Let me attempt to explain one demand called consultant/specialist in clinical practice. In summary all doctors have the basic undergraduate degree called MBBS (Bachelor of Medicine, Bachelor of Surgery); which of cos currently is a misnomer since the course covers many specialties apart from the traditional Medicine and Surgery. In those days doctors were either physicians or Barbers (Surgeons). Now after the basic degree, you can divide doctors broadly in to two; Medical Officers and Consultants/Specialists. In between you have House Officers/interns and Residents (Specialists in training). To be a specialist, requires an average of 6 years in an accredited health institutions. Ours is not the traditional PhD cos of the complexity of human diseases and the need for clinical knowledge. Thus it is a unique training combining theory and clinical skills at the same time. Example, one cannot have a PhD in Neurology, in fact its impossible cos of the numerous neurological conditions afflicting human populace ranging from infectious, inflammatory, degenerative, neoplastic, traumatic, metabolic etc with further subdivisions. Another example, one will attempt to have PhD in a degenerative disease called Dementia. I say attempt cos its not even practicable due to its numerous causes. To be a Neurologist, one must be drilled first in all medical specialties for at least 24 months and then in human neurological clinical conditions in the remaining time including a thesis in one of the entity. The other arm is Medical Officer who chose not to specialize rather improve themselves either through academic degrees or just progressed through conventional civil service. The hierarchy is thus in descending order; Consultant > Residents > Medical Officers > House Officers in terms of professionalism and quality of patient care. Specialists are suppose to see complicated cases or those with potentials to cause complications and or cases requiring advance care; there is no need for a consultant to see controlled uncomplicated hypertension or diabetes mellitus, uncomplicated malaria, typhoid, pulmonary tuberculosis etc. Now is it fair to compare a medical consultant with someone who did 3 year diploma course with 1-2 year post basic studies or even that with academic PhD? In the tertiary hospital, a Consultant is the final refined touch of any patient management. He owns the patient, leads the unit, teaches medical students and mentor residents. So if someone say has an MSc in iron deficiency anaemia and PhD in hemoglobinopathies (assuming not just theoretical academic degrees), will he then be appointed as a Senior Resident and Consultant Hematologist respectively? What if someone present with hemophilia or leukemia? Ok I hear you say no big deal, there are others that will specialize in those areas. That is correct, but how many consultants are you going to have in hematology, 1000? Thus in a hospital you will need like 500,000 consultants to manage just one centre! This of course is not practicable and that is why medical postgraduate training is very different and unique. It may interest you to know Medical Officers whatever their qualifications or years of experience are not candidates for CMD in the tertiary institution or even the secondary centers in the presence of a consultant. Again the position of a consultant itself has legal implications when it comes to litigation, autopsy or as expert witness. Patient care is under the consultant playing the central role not because of anything but for his strategic knowledge advantage. There is no need for a consultant to be in the primary health centres. So if the FG appoints other health workers as medical consultants, imagine the confusion. What role will they play, what value will they add to patient care? Let me elaborate on this, a lab scientist will insist a patient to use an antimicrobial drug based on laboratory drug sensitivity pattern irrespective of clinical outcome whereas a Consultant Medical Microbiologist or Physician will not so long the patient is responding to the initial empirical drug treatment even if the pathogen shows antimicrobial resistance on the plate. Another example is physician will not treat as emergency isolated case of hyperkalemia without cardiovascular examination and ECG even if scientist suggested such. Chest pain with rise in cardiac enzymes doesn't necessarily mean Myocardial Infarction. There is an old age rivalry between Doctors and other health workers that can be traced right from undergraduate level. You may not have noticed it or probably studied outside the country, but it was there. Not only among them but surprisingly even among lawyers. There is this childish debate about who is learned. This gradually turned in to envy and now dangerously in to enmity. Just read their comments, articles or interviews, you can't possibly missed the unmistakable deep seated frustration and hatred. People have no qualms spreading falsehood among unsuspecting populace just for financial gains. The funniest thing is that those people bring their family and relatives to see Doctors (they never entrust such burden on their colleagues) and the elite promoting the discord all have Personal Physicians. Am not aware of personal this or personal that, but then I know very little. Again when you go to the private clinic and NGOs, everybody conforms to ethics, isn't it a wonder? Why then do we have confusion only in the tertiary health institutions? Everything is about money. Ok suppose one of them is appointed a consultant, what will be his job description, what input will he make in patient care? Some even want to be appointed directors at grade level 17, imagine. As a Doctor with MBBS my entry point is grade level 12 and 15 as a specialist, imagine how many directors a teaching hospital will have in the next 6 years or so. What will happen to other civil servants who have reached level 17 but not yet directors? What will happen to other workers with same qualifications who are not even suppose to reach directorate level? You seem to be fascinated with USA and UK model of health system where you were eager to emphasize the qualification of hospital CEOs. Yes they do have non Doctors as ministers of health, but you failed to say they equally have office of the Surgeon General and Chief Medical Officer as well. Ironically you are not that keen to borrow their leaf on privatization of hospitals because of cost, but in actuality it is the fear of loosing your fight. Why not go all the way and clone their system here? You have to understand theirs is a capitalist economy and thus putting a non Doctor up there doesn't mean anything. A Doctor will always put patient first in his policy, obviously this is against the fundamental of capitalism. By Ibrahim Toli 6 Likes |
Re: Nma Strike, The Nurses' Perspective. by tohpahz(f): 10:34am On Jul 12, 2014 |
Eldavido1: i think u shud learn to read... did i say we gv different medications? No! i said we gv drugs too... meaning drug administration z part of our work... please try getting educated nd civil... as for d killers part. lol.. yea m here to kill u nd perform last orfice for u wen u finally die.... thanks 2 Likes |
Re: Nma Strike, The Nurses' Perspective. by phantom(m): 10:39am On Jul 12, 2014 |
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Re: Nma Strike, The Nurses' Perspective. by mfm04622: 10:39am On Jul 12, 2014 |
kbshow100: Not ready to read to read that stuff (too long). I need summary This is the problem with your generation! If you can't read such a small passage, how can you hope to read to develop yourself after school? Remember that the difference between a literate and an illiterate is not the literate CAN read, but that the literate DO read! Mean there is no difference between a literate who does not read and an illiterate person! |
Re: Nma Strike, The Nurses' Perspective. by tohpahz(f): 10:44am On Jul 12, 2014 |
phantom: loyalty nah.... dah highlighted place says.... with loyalty will i endeavour to cooperate with other workers nd professional organizations... |
Re: Nma Strike, The Nurses' Perspective. by phantom(m): 10:45am On Jul 12, 2014 |
".....and will not take or knowingly administer any harmful drug" err,miss nightingale,wherever you are,your descendants have been doing the above albeit unknowingly BECAUSE they have refused to stay within their job descriptions.i wish you could resurrect,come to nigeria and see these nurses administer IV drugs in their homes codedly. you would weep!! nurses now manage prolonged and difficult labour and only send patients to us after they must have ruptured their uteruses nurses now run pharmacies nurses are opening diagnostic centers in town,reading xrays and scanning miss nigtingale,its hell here in nigeria! |
Re: Nma Strike, The Nurses' Perspective. by FDenigma: 10:50am On Jul 12, 2014 |
Morotov1: Medics are for doctors and military corps man. Paramedics are different from allied health workers Generally, it is incorrect to refer other health workers as such. Check the meaning of paramedics please. I deliberately chose "paramedics" to expose how even within your JOHESU ranks, the inferiority complex provokes an aggressive response to semantic variations. So "paramedic" is now an offensive term? PS: A medical doctor is empowered to provide ANY medical service as long as it is within the scope of his own ability. That includes all para-medical services. |
Re: Nma Strike, The Nurses' Perspective. by phantom(m): 10:51am On Jul 12, 2014 |
tohpahz:really?
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Re: Nma Strike, The Nurses' Perspective. by Aura2(f): 10:52am On Jul 12, 2014 |
Dazzlee: Now, someone's talking sense........Finally! Phew.... forgive me to say that I am yet to see any para medical professional who has put logic and facts on the table since this unfortunate NMA strike. What I see are a bunch of academically lazy bunch who are tired of taking orders from Oga doctors. Their arguements range from what is obtainable abroad aka international best practices (forgetting that Nigerian problem behooves a Nigerian solution) to the fact that they are professionals in their own field hence deserve cosultancy, these positions are so lame that even a clueless president like ours will find it amusing. Hitherto, the consultant doctor owns the patient, it simply means that he has the final say on the patient's treatment regime. We run a doctors only cmd hospitals in Nigeria. Now I want the paramedicals to base their arguements on the following points. 1 The UME and post UME cut off points for doctors and paramedicals for the last 10yrs, by schools with recognised college of medicine. 2 The curriculum of a doctor from part 1 to consultancy vs the other paramedicals. 3 from point 1 and 2 above, we can now decide whom the CMD cap fits. I am tired of rants from academically inept bunch. 2 Likes |
Re: Nma Strike, The Nurses' Perspective. by DrObum(m): 10:55am On Jul 12, 2014 |
Ochek: NMA STRIKE, THE NURSES' PERSPECTIVE. Let the comments pour...Complete Bullshit! |
Re: Nma Strike, The Nurses' Perspective. by tohpahz(f): 10:56am On Jul 12, 2014 |
phantom: yeah really... dah z d Florence Nightingale time....it has bin modified; cos we don't just assist d docs... |
Re: Nma Strike, The Nurses' Perspective. by phantom(m): 10:57am On Jul 12, 2014 |
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Re: Nma Strike, The Nurses' Perspective. by Eldavido1: 11:02am On Jul 12, 2014 |
tohpahz: If I misquote you, then I am sorry about that. But saying " we gave drug too" aren't that suppose to be your primary responsibility? I thought doctors work is to prescribe while yours to administer, so what is special here? who is contesting with you about that? But if in anyway you administer medications other than does prescribe by doctors, then I am definitely right in calling you "bunch of killers". And by the way watch your spellings. I do have hard times reading short hand. 1 Like |
Re: Nma Strike, The Nurses' Perspective. by phantom(m): 11:03am On Jul 12, 2014 |
please show us the modified 'nightingale pledge" 1 Like |
Re: Nma Strike, The Nurses' Perspective. by tohpahz(f): 11:04am On Jul 12, 2014 |
could u post a recent one.. abi u ddnt c ma post dah it's bin modified?? |
Re: Nma Strike, The Nurses' Perspective. by FDenigma: 11:05am On Jul 12, 2014 |
michelz: Just imagine a scenario (as it usually happens in our health system),whereby a nurse or pharmacist who has been in a particular hospital for a long time,and then a fresh 'youth copper' doctor gets posted to that particular hospital and would want to start lording it over the nurse or the pharmacist. This is the root problem. Inferiority complex Like it or not, that fresh "youth copper" can be difference between life and death while your experienced nurse or pharmacist wrings his/her hands in confusion. |
Re: Nma Strike, The Nurses' Perspective. by phantom(m): 11:05am On Jul 12, 2014 |
Eldavido1: they administer only oral drugs. they shouldnt adminster IV drugs but they do in their various practices in town. let her tell you the truth |
Re: Nma Strike, The Nurses' Perspective. by Katakore(m): 11:05am On Jul 12, 2014 |
Doctors are the MEDICS, other health workers are PARAMEDICS. It is unthinkable to say a paramedic is at the same level with a medic. This applies to the military settings. During peace missions a PARAMILITARY personnel can only head the mission in the absence of a MILITARY personnel. If you want to head the health team, accept reality, go and read Medicine. Anything short of that is like trying to take what does not belong to you. @OP; it is true that you were taught the "same" Anatomy and Physiology with Medical students. But you refused to say you were taught and examined on topic by topic basis, while medical students were examined on an entire subject basis. 1 Like |
Re: Nma Strike, The Nurses' Perspective. by dexterinc2003: 11:06am On Jul 12, 2014 |
Seems the nightingale pledge is trending on nairaland...lemme 2 contribute..... #shit,dis nurses/johesu aint loyal#
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Re: Nma Strike, The Nurses' Perspective. by kalishay: 11:07am On Jul 12, 2014 |
Doctors in this our beloved country are selfish,full of greed, all after what he/she can burst Of @ the end of the year. they never put the poor patient who can't afford they private hospital bill into consideration. Most of the big doctors how many hours to they put into government hospitals Remember the oath u took when attested as dr. You ll answer on that big day!!!! |
Re: Nma Strike, The Nurses' Perspective. by myspnigeria: 11:09am On Jul 12, 2014 |
The writer is so intelligent |
Re: Nma Strike, The Nurses' Perspective. by tohpahz(f): 11:09am On Jul 12, 2014 |
Eldavido1: giving drug is not our primary responsibility. |
Re: Nma Strike, The Nurses' Perspective. by Morotov1(m): 11:10am On Jul 12, 2014 |
FDenigma:That shows you that your ability has been limited by law because the " paramedics " are already performing your duties. No wonder Nigerian doctors are retrained and reexamined when they leave the shores of these countries. I will find it offensive if I am called what I am not and since you failed to distinguished the different and subsequently take correction on who and who are paramedics, may I use these medium to extend my desire to and not to be quoted by you concerning this discourse. Thanks. 2 Likes |
Re: Nma Strike, The Nurses' Perspective. by phantom(m): 11:10am On Jul 12, 2014 |
tohpahz: could u post a recent one.. abi u ddnt c ma post dah it's bin modified??i have shown you the ones google gave me. i cant find the modified one. but why are nurses able to modify their pledge but expect the doctors to stick to the hippocratic oath. that line in your pledge was modified why? inferiority complex!! |
Re: Nma Strike, The Nurses' Perspective. by FDenigma: 11:11am On Jul 12, 2014 |
NOTICE TO ALL (REAL) MEDICAL DOCTORS ON NAIRALAND: 1. Desist from providing special or free care to all JOHESU. Treat them like all other patients/clients (or offer them premium rates as JOHESU) 2. Desist from giving free training or consultations to JOHESU (same way you desist from giving training to native doctors and herbalists) 3. Refer any such "doctors" seeking your medical opinion to the nearest JAMB office to buy UTME forms. Thanks! 3 Likes |
Re: Nma Strike, The Nurses' Perspective. by Nobody: 11:12am On Jul 12, 2014 |
I do pray that the OP's practice of Nursing is not as woeful as his writing. He does not seem to know the f what he is talking about. What is even more troubling, however, is how utter mediocrity is again celebrated wholesale in these pages. 2 Likes |
Re: Nma Strike, The Nurses' Perspective. by FDenigma: 11:13am On Jul 12, 2014 |
Morotov1: That shows you that your ability has been limited by law because the " paramedics " are already performing your duties. Hahaha! My patented "JOHESU Bait" works again! Another paramedic comes out of the closet! |
Re: Nma Strike, The Nurses' Perspective. by phantom(m): 11:13am On Jul 12, 2014 |
Morotov1: That shows you that your ability has been limited by law because the " paramedics " are already performing your duties. @ the bolded. you see why allowing you guys to head the hospitals is like initiating apoptosis in our healthcare system. let me ask you.....what is the purpose of medical licensing exams in different countries please answer me. |
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