I strongly urge Nairaland members to avoid buying any car if the seller doesn't provide a chasis number or VIN.  Sellers should also try to upload pictures of any vehicles for sale.  Let us do what we can to restore confidence in this little automobile market or ours. [b] There is no penalty for not including the chassis number [/b]but nobody will buy your car!

Seun:

Details soon.

At last. What else can I say.

Regards.

Seun, car dealers in this auto section cannot thank you enough for this policy.

He took so so long,but then better late than never.

Nice Idea, Another feat to mark our 100th car celebration, Lets have the details Soon

right as a superman this is, its always good and sensational  to picture a bro flying right in there without GHANA MUST GO BAG style if yall feel me ha, well Inspired man, me referring to u. U just proof u got the right business acumen  to  fly nevermind your silly mistake whatever that is? British airways nko, fixing prices, luggage's lost, spraying insecticide on Nigeria political monkies in the so called first class(well they deserve it),now they are paying the price, so one thing u should learn not to let some doggy short term profit undermine your long term sustenance. Having said that i smell some grudges from some other car dealer in here?  Nigeria need people like you for real.

now I'm not a car expert i must say but to say that Vin ain't Paramount is an understatement. but as one that drive, just because a car has been in accident dnt necessary means the car is written-off. a car could be hit on its bumper, then got fixed, that might implies too dubious to the Nigerian customers?

So my point is Vin shouldn't be missassimilate or something,yes course its help to keep track of things!! so I'm down for VIN approved

So inspired-man take note, u own me cow-head when i step down to Nigeria

wish i can at this point afford those classic and clean cars of yours but i can only settle for some clean Honda halla which emm more likely viperman will provide i hope?

Bravo Seun! Alas, sanity can reign at the auto section, Awaiting details.

HABA! Oga Seun why did it take you 4eva, trully grateful sha.

It is not just enough suggesting that adverts should come with VIN, severe punitive measures should be a place where abuse or an attempt to abuse the priviledge is discovered.

I am an advocate of optional vin listing in car advert. Seun, your recommendation of vin will satisfy the majority of auto thread- trotters who had yearned for it not for dealers/actual buyers. I know who plays the piper dictates the tunes but it will have been better for you to seek the counsel of dealers who advertise on NL and actual buyers who bought cars in the past through NL.

As @ Ivvie once quoted in one thread "I believe a sub-category should be for sales/classifieds" I wish this would have been your pursuit to generate income and attract traffic flow to your site more than what is being done in www.autotrader.ca etc where vin listing is not compulsory  but optional.

ikeyman00:

now I'm not a car expert i must say but to say that Vin ain't Paramount is an understatement. but as one that drive, just because a car has been in accident dnt necessary means the car is written-off. a car could be hit on its bumper, then got fixed, that might implies too dubious to the Nigerian customers?

@ikeyman00
To have make the above statement, makes you a car expert. A bumper hit reported to the insurance company is an accident. Even a scratch on the bumper will result in insurance claims or repairs. Listing a vin of a car reported as an accident due to bumper scratch put the dealer at a disadvantage position before a buyer has the opportunity to look at the car(Nigerians don't want to hear anything accident even if very minor). The taste of the pudding is in the eating.

ha jafour i feel! guess u right as well.

@Jafour, I respect your view that VIN number should be made optional but I think most dealers here do not share that view. It will be interesting to know who are the dealers against this. If you have been active on the forum, you will remember that there was an opinion poll taken by Siena on this issue. The result is there for everyone to see.

Secondly, if you think vehicle with accident history (even if the smallest of accidents) puts the seller at a disadvantage then the next question is why will the dealer buy a vehicle with accident history knowing that it puts him/her at a disadvantage? There are more vehicles without accident history than those with accident history so, why go for vehicle with accident history? The answer is simple - those "accidented" vehicles are very, very cheap in America because no one wants them.

If a vehicle has any kind of accident history, I believe it is legitimate for buyer to be made aware of such. What is unacceptable is to present "accidented" vehicles as vehicles with no history of accidents. What we are asking for here is transparency and honesty - VIN number makes this possible. I assure you there is market in Nigeria for "accidented" vehicles that have been repaired and made safe but they just have to be presented as "repaired" or "accidented" vehicles.

@ ziontrain
you 've said it all
simple,
let us buy chimpanzee as chimpanzee not as a monkey.

Igbos call it ''Adaka na onu Enwe''

igwe 1:

@ ziontrain
you 've said it all
simple,
[color=#990000]let us buy chimpanzee as chimpanzee not as a monkey.Igbos call it ''Adaka na onu Enwe''

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Hmmmmmm,
the wisdom of an Igwe

P.oj:

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Hmmmmmm,
the wisdom of an Igwe

@ ziontrain, good contribution.

Honesty and Transparency is the watchword here.

The major reason why dealers don't post VINs is just to maximize their profit.
You buy a cheap, "accidented" car, do a make-over and sell it as expensive as the ones with no accident history.

The unsuspecting buyers pay premium prices for such vehicles.
I see a lot of tokunbo vehicles whose airbags have gone off.
They are neatly re-done after accidents and sold without the airbags as if they were present.

Not ALL accidents can be captured by the VINs but let's at least have a check in place.

Shouldn't the "accidented" cars be sold cheaper? Comments please ,

Igwe eeeeeeee!!!!!!!!!!!!

I have not been disappointed buy your sagacity on matters of importance to the entire members of the kingdom. 'Nna gi muru gi ofuma ofuma'.

Let the dealer live, also let the buyer live. 'Egbe bere Ugo e bere, nke si ibe ya e bela, , '

Long live Naija, Long live Nairaland.

@Eluala

Car is not some thing one should joke with, many have gone through some man made accidents that could have been avoided.

If I know the negative nature of the vehicle am about to buy, I should be able to solicit help from professionals on how to keep it to a good shape.

You know how it pains when you found out that you were cheated.
At the point of discovery this could lead to a chain reaction in the sense that the person may decides to sell it out sharp,  sharp to another innocent fellow and the unfortunate brother or sister mighty be the one to pay the price.

Whatever one sows so shall he/she reaps.

i think all the tokunbo bought Nigerian used should be put into consideration as well.

my 2kobo,
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[size=16pt]I never believed seun would succumb to this  vin issue,

I think it is left for sellers to decide if they want to reveal the bad side of their rides (if there is).

Its same as washing ur car, in and out simply because you want to sell it for a better price. you are not going to tell the buyer, hey, my car had an accident last year but thanks to my mechanic, NO

even those of you breathing out the "at last, seun took action" air.

its just amazing how much people love to wear boxing gloves and pull off their clothes on fights that meant for someone else

left to me, i would say, let buyers decide if they want vin number and sellers, decide whats good for their business

IT IS THE PRACTICE EVERYWHERE BUSINESS IS DONE, IF MY CAR HAS A CLEAN HISTORY, I WOULD BE GLAD TO DISPLAY THE VIN[/size]

anyways, the site is own by him, oluwaseun osewa. so expect more from the owner himself

The issue here, I think is to give this site a professional look.
You can sell whatever you have elsewhere but for this site I suggest professionalism to be the order of the day at least to showcase a good image of Nigerians.

my2cent.

pls, how can one know the VIN no of a vehicle
where is it normally writen?

webdezzi (m) and ,Jafour wayo people.wetin una wan hide?"THE DEVIL RUNNETH WHEN NO ONE PURSUETH IT"

i don't blame you, you don't have any car to buy, you are only here to fight on what is none of your biz

taking paracetamol for another man's headache.

webdzi or wetin dem dey call u, mrs farida dey wait for u

and i suppose mrs farida is your wife.

why would she want me when you are there?

There is no need castigating anyone who is against what is now appearing to be a landslide victory for 'VIN disclosure'. We should learn to respect  and tolerate each others opinion, after all that is what demo'crazy'  is all about. we can agree to disagree, but majority carries the vote.

Seun,

This penalty you have given for non-compliance does not carry any weight as you know. May I respectfully suggest that penalty should be "postings without VIN number will be deleted by the administrator".

I am sure Siena will accept to be the moderator due to your busy schedule.

inema:

webdezzi (m) and ,Jafour wayo people.wetin una wan hide?"THE DEVIL RUNNETH WHEN NO ONE PURSUETH IT"

You need to be tutored. Wetin be wayo for person wey get contrary view to the follow follow majority? my brother, I no get anything to hide, I beg check this thread,  https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-176544.0.html#msg2899554   you go see my true name.  Inema, tell us your real name and the work wey you dey do and office address? make  we know who get something to hide. Who be the devil wey dey run?  because  I talk say make Seun make vin listing optional.

You no be car buyer, you no be dealer and you no contribute any idea - which one you be? I beg you, I need answers for all my questions.

@Ziontrain
@Jafour, I respect your view that VIN number should be made optional but I think most dealers here do not share that view. It will be interesting to know who are the dealers against this. If you have been active on the forum, you will remember that there was an opinion poll taken by Siena on this issue. The result is there for everyone to see.
Must I be active on every thread if I don't have any cogent reason to contribute? besides I contributed in  the opinion poll taken by Siena. I have noticed that you have goofed on many threads, I would advice you to always check your facts before posting.

If a vehicle has any kind of accident history, I believe it is legitimate for buyer to be made aware of such. This is the key to the issue and I agree in totality with you that a buyer should be made aware of anything (not only accident) on the vehicle by the dealer in such a way that it will affect the price the buyer will be willing to offer. That is what disclosure is about.

What we are asking for here is transparency and honesty - VIN number makes this possible. I disagree with you, vin listing will not make a dealer to be honest. You must have read the thread where a dealer posted a vin for another vehicle pics.

I sincerely support your agitation for transparency and honesty on this forum - to make this happen, we need the collective inputs of dealers and buyers.
Now that vin listing is more or less compulsory by the admininistrator lets see the honesty and transparency in dealers on NL.

Good job Mr. administrator! At last! Now we'll indeed know those that have been selling "baroof cars" to fellow Nigerians!

@ everyone,
i just did a vin check for someone on my vin check thread now and i realized that the car is canadian. I thought canadian cars could not be carfaxed according to some people, Well, good news,

VIN CHECKS CAN BE DONE FOR CANADIAN CARS!!!!!!

(WWW.AUTOCHECK.COM)

VIN: 2FMZA5142YBA68664
Year: 2000
Make: Ford
Model: Windstar Vans LX
Style/Body: Wagon 4D
Class: Van - Mini
Engine: 3.8L V6 SPI
Country of Assembly: Canada
Vehicle Age: 8 year(s)


This vehicle's AutoCheck Score
64 45-64
This vehicle qualifies for Buyback Protection



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Title and ProblemCheck: Your vehicle checks out!
OdometerCheck: Your vehicle checks out!
Vehicle Use and EventCheck: No vehicle use reported
Full History: Detailed information available




Title and ProblemCheck
Your Vehicle Checks Out! AutoCheck's database for this 2000 Ford Windstar Vans LX (2FMZA5142YBA68664) shows no negative titles or other problems. When reported to AutoCheck, these events can indicate serious past damage or other significant problems.


0 Problem(s) Reported: 15 Title/Problem areas checked:
No abandoned title record
No damaged title or major damage incident record
No fire damaged title record
No grey market title record
No hail damage title record
No insurance loss title record
No junk or scrapped title record
No manufacturer buyback/lemon title record
No odometer problem title record
No rebuilt/rebuildable title record
No salvage title or salvage auction record
No water damaged title record
No NHTSA crash test record
No frame damage record
No recycling facility record



OdometerCheck
Your Vehicle Checks Out! AutoCheck examined the reported odometer readings reported to AutoCheck for this 2000 Ford Windstar Vans LX (2FMZA5142YBA68664) and no indication of an odometer rollback or tampering was found. AutoCheck uses business rules to determine if reported odometer readings are significantly less than previously reported values. Not all reported odometer readings are used. Title and auction events also report odometer tampering or breakage.


0 Problem(s) Reported: Mileage Date Reported


Vehicle Use and EventCheck
Your Vehicle Checks Out! AutoCheck shows no additional information reported to AutoCheck about how this 2000 Ford Windstar Vans LX (2FMZA5142YBA68664)has been used and other events. This includes reported accidents and corrected or duplicate titles and storm area registrations.


0 Event(s) Reported: 6 Vehicle uses checked:
No fleet, rental and/or lease use record
No taxi use record
No police use record
No government use record
No livery use record
No driver education record
0 Event(s) Reported: 9 Vehicle events checked:
No accident record reported through state agencies or independent sources
No corrected title record
No duplicate title record
No emission/safety inspection record
No loan/lien record
No fire damage incident record
No repossessed record
No theft record
No storm area registration/title record


Full History
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Report Run Date: 2008-10-15 20:18:15.890 EDT
Vehicle: 2000 Ford Windstar Vans LX (2FMZA5142YBA68664)
Event date Location Odometer reading Data Source Details
10/18/1999 Independent Source VEHICLE MANUFACTURED AND SHIPPED TO DEALER
11/13/2001 MISSISSAUGA, ON Motor Vehicle Dept. CANADIAN RENEWAL
01/25/2002 MISSISSAUGA, ON Motor Vehicle Dept. CANADIAN RENEWAL
02/21/2003 MISSISSAUGA, ON Motor Vehicle Dept. CANADIAN RENEWAL
03/01/2004 MISSISSAUGA, ON Motor Vehicle Dept. CANADIAN RENEWAL
01/31/2005 MISSISSAUGA, ON Motor Vehicle Dept. CANADIAN RENEWAL
11/30/2005 BRAMPTON, ON Motor Vehicle Dept. CANADIAN RENEWAL
01/03/2006 BRAMPTON, ON Motor Vehicle Dept. CANADIAN RENEWAL
01/03/2007 BRAMPTON, ON Motor Vehicle Dept. CANADIAN RENEWAL
01/10/2008 BRAMPTON, ON Motor Vehicle Dept. CANADIAN RENEWAL