joker5180: NEC should suspend Obembe in Akwa, install young and progressive minds into NOC, it is time to deal with those 'elders' who masterminded this plot

guy,u don talk am finish

DrLuv:
guy,u don talk am finish

he( obembe) and NOC mismanaged the strike

McStoic: Pls stop quoting me if you cannot be unbiased or objective while doing that. The said oil firm employee you are talking about is already an employee and the overall template used for their own employment, when thoroughly digested are not the same like that of doctors. As per Corpers being used in elections and paid, I guess you also understand that the corpers are doing government much more favour here and not the other way round? If I am a petrochemical graduate undergoing my NYSC and you employ me temporarily to help you in organizing elections, it is only normal that you foot the bills because I am stepping out of my comfort zone to help you. The updates and exposition I receive on how to do the job are not really in line with the career I have chosen nor where I want to be as against resident doctors. YOU REALLY MAKE IT SEEM LIKE THE DOCTORS ARE BEING FORCED AGAINST THEIR OWN WILL TO DO RESIDENCY. I get your drift on there being a possible shortage of specialists in the long run, but even when you become a consultant, your years of exams and hardwork still get compensated when you get employed, so I don't know what you are on about. From my years of experience and associating with my doctor friends nay family members, one of the things I always hear many complain about is that other graduates seem to arrive to their life destinations faster than doctors (There are some doctors who did masters in public health etc. got appointments elsewhere and abandoned their steths and sphygs). I have a doctor friend who has put his residency training on hold, having become a staunch PDP youth leader. So many still who checked into other endeavours.

For your information, I have never said resident doctors should never be paid. All I am saying is that they sould be paid but made to pay for their updates and medical exams. About your continual submission that government don't foot their bills, stop making some of us who are in the know seem ignorant.......Some of us here have family members who are doctors abroad. And heaven knows the costs of doing the residency there when compared to Nigeria where the government is more "Father Abrahamaic". When compared to overseas, wards pay through their noses though they receive some payments. Note: There are so many doctors who are worth their onions in gold, but my distaste lies against those who seek to intimidate others or try to go against the rationale just because they deem themselves kinda higher species. Those who are really called and chosen to be doctors are not difficult to figure out if you ask me.

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Thanks brother. Bless you too.

Nigerians claiming to know facts about residency training more than the resident doctors since 1978. Sit back, relax and enjoy the services doctors have to offer and stop whining.

mencade5: goat you have been notice. Get away biiitch

You ain't worth my precious time! I really don't know why some people will come to forums like this to display their foolishness

Here, I am a silent reader, your comment was too disgusting to overlook!

BB12:

You ain't worth my precious time! I really don't know why some people will come to forums like this to display their foolishness

Here, I am a silent reader, your comment was too disgusting to overlook!

u r not a silent reader. U r a scavenger. Take ur stupidity somewhere.

McStoic: Pls stop quoting me if you cannot be unbiased or objective while doing that. The said oil firm employee you are talking about is already an employee and the overall template used for their own employment, when thoroughly digested are not the same like that of doctors. As per Corpers being used in elections and paid, I guess you also understand that the corpers are doing government much more favour here and not the other way round? If I am a petrochemical graduate undergoing my NYSC and you employ me temporarily to help you in organizing elections, it is only normal that you foot the bills because I am stepping out of my comfort zone to help you. The updates and exposition I receive on how to do the job are not really in line with the career I have chosen nor where I want to be as against resident doctors. YOU REALLY MAKE IT SEEM LIKE THE DOCTORS ARE BEING FORCED AGAINST THEIR OWN WILL TO DO RESIDENCY. I get your drift on there being a possible shortage of specialists in the long run, but even when you become a consultant, your years of exams and hardwork still get compensated when you get employed, so I don't know what you are on about. From my years of experience and associating with my doctor friends nay family members, one of the things I always hear many complain about is that other graduates seem to arrive to their life destinations faster than doctors (There are some doctors who did masters in public health etc. got appointments elsewhere and abandoned their steths and sphygs). I have a doctor friend who has put his residency training on hold, having become a staunch PDP youth leader. So many still who checked into other endeavours.

For your information, I have never said resident doctors should never be paid. All I am saying is that they should be paid but made to pay for their updates and medical exams. About your continual submission that government don't foot their bills, stop making some of us who are in the know seem ignorant.......Some of us here have family members who are doctors abroad. And heaven knows the costs of doing the residency there when compared to Nigeria where the government is more "Father Abrahamic". When compared to overseas, wards pay through their noses though they receive some payments. Note: There are so many doctors who are worth their onions in gold, but my distaste lies against those who seek to intimidate others or try to go against the rationale just because they deem themselves kinda higher species. Those who are really called and chosen to be doctors are not difficult to figure out if you ask me.

I really don't know where you get your information about the residency programme but it's obviously incomplete. Resident doctors pay for their updates and exams (both West Africa and National), pls get that. Since you claim to know some doctors, confirm from them.
If you read my previous post, I never said that Nigerian government don't sponsor residency. There are many aspects of residency that is financed by government but your examples (updates & exams) is not one of them.
Infact, India's health care is where it is because the government invested heavily in doctors' residency (including contracts where the doctors are sponsored by government through residency abroad after which they return to work in the country). I chose India as an example because it is a developing nation like Nigeria so it is possible for Nigeria's health care to reach that of India with government commitment. Take note that the Indian government also sponsored other health professionals.

Ps-. Nairaland is a public forum not a private website. If you don't want to be quoted, then don't post anything.

mencade5: u r not a silent reader. U r a scavenger. Take ur stupidity somewhere.

"Do not answer a fool according to his folly lest you also be like him"...
That's why am going to stop replying you. I hope you learn someday!

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Harsh man

lilprinze: is like FG brains have now starting
functioning. if not how would a
reasonable government just sack 16000 doctors or workers who are fighting for their rights or what they are entitled to. IN Nigeria is you want anything from government you have to go on strike or protest before they would know you are serious and answer you.

Which rights? When did doctors become trade unionists? After carrying placards & begging people to come to your aid and witness your plight?

You should have told the government not to bother offering you your jobs back, and let us see for how long your 'shakara' would feed you & your families!

Toksytoks:

Government does not pay for their exams, update courses , exam materials and all. What Government pays for is the work these resident do on a daily basis. The average resident in surgery does or assist in carrying out an average of 20 surgeries in a month, you honestly feel that they do not deserve to be paid ?

How come private hospitals like Eko hospital pay their resident doctors even better than what FG pays, Are they that magnanimous or you feel they have money to throw around.

The Hospital is a combination of a training and working environment.

Who mentioned Eko Hospital there? That grossly expensive, over-priced health centre in Ikeja? Why won't they pay resident doctors better than a public hospital? Do you know the huge sums of money they charge their patients?

Abeg, there is no basis for comparison oh!

Go and spend 2 nights in Eko Hospital ward and see if your debit card would not be declined by the ATM due to insufficient funds, as the cost of undergoing therapy inside there, would have cleaned out your bank account!!

laudate:

Which rights? When did doctors become trade unionists? After carrying placards & begging people to come to your aid and witness your plight?

You should have told the government not to bother offering you your jobs back, and let us see for how long your 'shakara' would feed you & your families!

they did not beg them to offer them their jobs back and if doctors go on strike thousands of people would die. Countries like US UK Germany and France take good care of their doctors with some special benefit which our selfish and greedy government have deprived them of so as to see more money to loot yet doctors risk their lives to save oder peoples lives yet they are not properly taken care off.

lilprinze: doctors are not well taken care of in Nigeria. so because they are doctors that is why they should not
be treated very well they risk their lives to save oder people yet the government does not pay them well, in countries like
US,France and UK their doctors are well taken care of and entitled to some special benefits which our government have deprived them of because of their greed and so they can see more money to loot. which work do our politicians do?nothing yet they get millions of naira for doing nothing and are properly taken care off while those suffering and working are paid chicken change. so fighting for your right or what you are entitled to is now selfishness??

Bros, why must you use US, France and UK as your example? Why are you comparing apples with watermelons? Why couldn't you have used Sierra-Leone, Liberia and Lesotho?

Do Nigerian patients earn the same kind of salaries as their fellow compatriots in the US, France and UK etc, that you just mentioned? Why must you use the yardstick deployed by these European countries in treating their doctors, when the patients are not treated the same way? Take time oh!

Anyway, I don't blame the doctors. I blame the government for paying their salaries, while they were on strike. They should have withheld those wages until the doctors came to their senses.

Finally, I blame the lawyers for this debacle. Yee-ee-ss! If we had many more lawyers well versed in medical malpractice, that could file good lawsuits against these doctors each time they slip up in patient care, they would think 4 times before going on strike.

lilprinze: they did not beg them to offer them their jobs back and if doctors go on strike thousands of people would die. Countries like US UK Germany and France take good care of their doctors with some special benefit which our selfish and greedy government have deprived them of so as to see more money to loot yet doctors risk their lives to save oder peoples lives yet they are not properly taken care off.

Bros, who told you they did not beg? Abeg, sit down if you don't know the details of the true story. If our doctors cared about the number of patients that would die, they would not have gone on strike in the first place!! Do you know how many times doctors have gone on strike in the past few months?

It appears you did not even know that the doctors embarked on a strike, that is why you made this comment up here...mtcheew!

laudate:

Bros, why must you use US, France and UK as your example? Why are you comparing apples with watermelons? Why couldn't you have used Sierra-Leone, Liberia and Lesotho?

Do Nigerian patients earn the same kind of salaries as their fellow compatriots in the US, France and UK etc, that you just mentioned? Why must you use the yardstick deployed by these European countries in treating their doctors, when the patients are not treated the same way? Take time oh!

Anyway, I don't blame the doctors. I blame the government for paying their salaries, while they were on strike. They should have withheld those wages until the doctors came to their senses.

Finally, I blame the lawyers for this debacle. Yee-ee-ss! If we had many more lawyers well versed in medical malpractice, that could file good lawsuits against these doctors each time they slip up in patient care, they would think 4 times before going on strike.

Nigerian lawmakers and political Office holders are the highest paid in the world yet they are one of the laziest in the world even US,UK,Germany and France lawmakers don't receive up to 40% of what our lawmakers receive minus the one they would still loot. yet they are more hard working and committed to their work compared to Nigerians who receive bulky salaries for sleeping and waking up under AC. while doctors who work all day and hardly have time for their selves and their families would be paid chicken change while the lazy pigs get the main salaries for doing nothing.

lilprinze: Nigerian lawmakers and political Office holders are the highest paid in the world yet they are one of the laziest in the world even US,UK,Germany and France lawmakers don't receive up to 40% of what our lawmakers receive minus the one they would still loot. yet they are more hard working and committed to their work compared to Nigerians who receive bulky salaries for sleeping and waking up under AC. while doctors who work all day and hardly have time for their selves and their families would be paid chicken change while the lazy pigs get the main salaries for doing nothing.

Oh I agree with you that Nigerian lawmakers are paid an obscene amount of money, for doing too little. But these lawmakers, do not use most of our public hospitals when they fall ill. No, they head for the most expensive private hospitals or they fly abroad, even if they just want to treat a headache.

So when these doctors go on strike, is it the rich lawmakers that suffer? No! It is the common man who finds it difficult to make ends meet, and has to use the public hospital in his hour of need. That is why the masses are the ones that pay a high price (in some cases with their lives) any time there is a strike. Not the lawmakers.

Our doctors know these, yet they still go on strike... at the end of the day, the wrong set of people bear the brunt. And what have the doctors achieved with their so-called strike, except to inflict more pain and cruelty on the poor masses?

laudate:

Oh I agree with you that Nigerian lawmakers are paid an obscene amount of money, for doing too little. But these lawmakers, do not use most of our public hospitals when they fall ill. No, they head for the most expensive private hospitals or they fly abroad, even if they just want to treat a headache.

So when these doctors go on strike, is it the rich lawmakers that suffer? No! It is the common man who finds it difficult to make ends meet, and has to use the public hospital in his hour of need. That is why the masses are the ones that pay a high price (in some cases with their lives) any time there is a strike. Not the lawmakers.

Our doctors know these, yet they still go on strike... at the end of the day, the wrong set of people bear the brunt. And what have the doctors achieved with their so-called strike, except to inflict more pain and cruelty on the poor masses?

words of wisdom you are right the masses are the ones who suffer for everything at the end of the day.

laudate:

Bros, who told you they did not beg? Abeg, sit down if you don't know the details of the true story. If our doctors cared about the number of patients that would die, they would not have gone on strike in the first place!! Do you know how many times doctors have gone on strike in the past few months?

It appears you did not even know that the doctors embarked on a strike, that is why you made this comment up here...mtcheew!

Since u know so much why don't u tell us how many times dey v gone on strike in d past few months.

drobadebayo:
Since u know so much why don't u tell us how many times dey v gone on strike in d past few months.

You can read about it here: just follow the link - http://www.thecable.ng/nigerian-doctors-begin-nationwide-strike-on-tuesday

The Cable Newspapers:

On June 13, 2014, the doctors had warned of a “total and indefinite” industrial action beginning from July 1, 2014, if the federal government did not “ensure the immediate passage” of the National Health Bill and also honour other agreements reached with the association. They initially embarked on a five-day warning strike between December 18 and December 22, 2013, which was to be followed by an indefinite industrial action from January 6, 2014.

Read more at: http://www.thecable.ng/nigerian-doctors-begin-nationwide-strike-on-tuesday | TheCable

laudate:

You can read about it here: just follow the link - http://www.thecable.ng/nigerian-doctors-begin-nationwide-strike-on-tuesday

U said "Do you know how many times doctors have gone on strike in the past few months" as if dere were always on strike.
But u only cited a warning strike nd d July 1st strike