TalkSmith:

The way you rant at times

How do i rant??
Democracy in Nigeria has continued to make some people richer and some others poorer.
There's no middle-class in Nigeria. . . . .It's either you are very rich or extremely poor.
At this point, i don't mind a military government.

For how long have we tried this democracy for it not to work? 300 Years?

Nigeria will be 50 years next year. Thatz how long.

The western type of democratic govt is the best for africa and Nigeria. the problem we have in Nigeria can only be solve if we remove the yorubas from nigeria and have them in republic of benin.

Britain never consider culture or history in nigeria when they were there. Take for example kwara and kogi state, why the hell were they part of northern region. When they should have been in the western region.

We have to correct the structure mistake to have true democratic govt in Nigeria.

In the case of Ghana or the USA. You would see a define majority. In Nigeria there is no define majority.

Look in Ghana the asanti people are majority and the democracy in ghana is sure away that asanti have only rule 2 times. The fear of ethnics domination is lower in Ghana because the asantic people can easy give power to other group without the fear of getting back power.

In the case of the USA. the same with the white population. The white in the USA are not scared that since Obama a black man is in power that he would be able to manipulate the system and could make sure only blacks are elected in power. That is not possible. The fear by white people is not there, because they know they are the majority and they can kick obama out anytime they want.

The same issue in Nigeria. We do not have a clear 50% majority ethincs group like Ghana or the USA. so the fear of ethnics domination and tribalist runs our politics. But if you remove the yorubas. It would change that. And would make the hausa/fulani the majority and the fear of domination is remove and they would be able to share power without the fear of the power not returning back to them.

Becomrrich:

The western type of democratic govt is the best for africa and Nigeria. the problem we have in Nigeria can only be solve if we remove the yorubas from nigeria and have them in republic of benin.

Jesus Wept!!!!

Becomrrich:

The western type of democratic govt is the best for africa and Nigeria. the problem we have in Nigeria can only be solve if we remove the yorubas from nigeria and have them in republic of benin.

Britain never consider culture or history in nigeria why they were thier. Take for example kwara and kogi state, why the hell where they part of northern region. When they should have been in the western region.

We have to correct the structure mistake to have true democratic govt in Nigeria.

In the case of Ghana or the USA. You would see a define majority. In Nigeria there is no define majority.

Look in Ghana the asantic people are majority and the democracy in ghana is sure away that asantic have only rule 2 times. The fear of ethnics domination is lower in Ghana because the asantic people can easy give power to other group without the fear of getting back power.

In the case of the USA. the same with the white population. The white in the USA are not scared that since Obama a black man is in power that he would be able to manipulate the system and could make sure only blacks are elected in power. That is not possible. The fear by white people is not there, because they know they are the majority and they can kick obama out anytime they want.

The same issue in Nigeria. We do not have a clear 50% majority ethincs group like Ghana or the USA. so the fear of ethnics domination and tribalist runs our politics. But if you remove the yorubas. It would change that. And would make the hausa/fulani the majority and the fear of domination is remove and they would be able to share power without the fear of the power not returning back to them.

Your reasoning is worrisome. Even from the US perspective and the Nigerian perspective. You have committed serious fallacy in reasoning and writing.

~Sauron~:

How do i rant??
Democracy in Nigeria has continued to make some people richer and some others poorer.
There's no middle-class in Nigeria. . . . .It's either you are very rich or extremely poor.
At this point, i don't mind a military government.

Nigeria will be 50 years next year. Thatz how long.

So a military government is the solution to our problems? During the military era, were the rich not getting richer? Your reasoning is more worrisome. Military government that has placed Nigeria in the level of retardation and mental slavery for years, you are advocating for in these day and age? I suspect you delight in mental slavery and dictatorship.

Oh well, every man to his thoughts.

TalkSmith:

So a military government is the solution to our problems? During the military era, were the rich not getting richer? Your reasoning is more worrisome. Military government that has placed Nigeria in the level of retardation and mental slavery for years, you are advocating for in these day and age? I suspect you delight in mental slavery and dictatorship.

A Military government(Idiagbon-esque) would go a long way to instil discipline in Nigeria.
Before they were toppled, things were beginning to shape well.
Citizens were orderly and had they been allowed to complete their transition to a democratic government we woulda been better off.
I cannot see the difference between OBJ's regime and the previous Military governments. He was worse than Abacha.

Oh well, every man to his thoughts.

Every man to his thunks but a change has to be made.
Either we seek for a revolution or whatever but something gotta give with the way things are going.

Look at President Umaru Yar adua for example. He has refused to resign even when he is sick because he want to serve the term of the north. This is based on fear by northerner.
tribalist is based on fear of domination. Yar adua is ready to die in office than hand over to the southener vice president because of this fear.

If you remove this fear of domination you solve the problem. And you can only solve this fear by removing the Yoruba and bendle are from nigeria.

Look at President Umaru Yar adua for example. He has refused to resign even when he is sick because he want to serve the term of the north. This is based on fear by northerner.
tribalist is based on fear of domination. Yar adua is ready to die in office than hand over to the southener vice president because of this fear. If you remove this fear of domination you solve the problem. And you can only solve this fear by removing the Yoruba and bendle are from nigeria.

~Sauron~:

A Military government(Idiagbon-esque) would go a long way to instil discipline in Nigeria.
Before they were toppled, things were beginning to shape well.
Citizens were orderly and had they been allowed to complete their transition to a democratic government we woulda been better off.
I cannot see the difference between OBJ's regime and the previous Military governments. He was worse than Abacha.

The same discipline Arogundade could not instill into his naval ratings, when a civilian was being ridiculed and undressed on the streets of Lagos last year?

Or the same discipline Babaginda, Abacha et al could not instill, to keep their hands off the nations wealth? Please say something more relevant. There were clear differences between OBJ's regime and that of Abacha. No more were journalists rounded up and thrown into random jails for speaking against the Government. OBJ was on the verge of extending into his stay into a third term, our ''democracy'' ensured this was not to be!

Yes, some of the things obtainable during the military era were still obtainable with OBJ and even with this present administration, however, there have been clear moment of respite for the citizenry. I remember early in those days, you dare not pass through the houses of some those Army Generals, if you would not be subjected to frog jumping in respective of your gender.

Our present day ''democracy'' has totally erased the memories of such horror amongst numerous others from our thoughts.

The sun shines for all.

Rise up,rise up my people,this is not what we should be bothering about at this time and age,we should be talking about how to  migrate to mars,not how to clean the street,keep the light on,keep the water running or feed the children.

It is mind puzzling that we can't rule our lives,we have to lack in every thing,every thing is a mystery,it means the brain is not working,we are not thinking,brain dead like zombies.

A Military government(Idiagbon-esque) would go a long way to instil discipline in Nigeria.
Before they were toppled, things were beginning to shape well.

if this discipline was so great,  why did it take a couple of years for babangida to destroy it? Our disciplined Nigerians sure didn't put that much of a resistance to our beloved maradona.  There is a difference between been a zombie (under authoritative governments) and a civilized individual (under a democracy).  It's so easy to revise history while forgetting Idiagbon's suppression of the press.

I'm very much focused on the reality of today. However, since you think things will improve based on the examples you illuminated, and stabilize in years to come, let's wait and see.

and the reality is you aren't going to reverse decades of decay especially under the control of the same ist republic politrickians that got you in this mess.  10years is a small amount of time considering world history.

BTW, the colonies prior to the American revolution were an  industrialized expansion of Britain. But that's an argument for another day.

what industry was left after the Revolutionary war? nothing but see where America is today. 

for those spouting the rubbish that democracy isn't in the psyche of Africans, was a secular democracy in the psyche of the average Turk during the ottoman empire? If Western Europe can make the transition from monarchies to democracy then why can't the average African do it. This defeatist attitude is sickening.

bawomolo:

if this discipline was so great,  why did it take a couple of years for babangida to destroy it? Our disciplined Nigerians sure didn't put that much of a resistance to our beloved maradona.  There is a difference between been a zombie (under authoritative governments) and a civilized individual (under a democracy).  It's so easy to revise history while forgetting Idiagbon's suppression of the press.

So u want to compare rebuilding process to destruction??
How long will it take to build a model city like Abuja today?? Maybe 18 months with unlimited funds.
How long will it take to destroy a model city like Abuja?? Maybe 2 secs at the tap of a button.
That is how easy it is to destroy.

In the days of Idiagbon, there was discipline.
People queue up at post offices and even at Lagos bus-stops. It was zero-tolerance.
Everyone knows any sorta misbehaviour would either land em in jail or they get shot by mobile policemen.
It's not the most pleasing method but for a country like Nigeria, it was needed and that is what keeps countries like Singapore and China in order till today.

I remember ma trip to the Far East. . . . . .It was like heaven on Earth and that was achieved through DISCIPLINE and zero tolerance.
U dare not take food or drinks to their train stations. There's a heavy penalty for such things.
Nigeria can enforce such instead of having motor-cyclists defecating by the roadside. WAI of the Idiagbon era was practised religiously.
It was working until IBB and his goons scrapped all their good works and plunged Nigeria bark into the muddy waters and we all embraced it.

Nigerians will not wake up tomorrow and become orderly overnight. We need a government with the zero tolerance policy.
A democratic government cannot achieve such(it would infringe on the Human Right Act). . .Military men don't care about such.
As long as the objective of making Nigerians disciplined can be achieved, i don't care by what means.
Sometimes blood must be shed to find PEACE.

Tribalism is far far lower in Ghana than nigeria.
Here is the ethnics composition. And you would notice that Asante majority have only held to power twice. even even they are the majoriy. And note also that a minority Prof. John Atta Mills won he last election. It means even the asate people voted for him. If we move the Yorubas and bendle area to republic of benin. The ethnics composition of Nigeria would change. And tribalism would drop because the fear of ethnics domination would reduced, since we would have a visible majority.

Even the word of God says there is no fear in love. If you remove fear domination, you would see the love for other nigeria would increase. And tribalism would reduce close to zero. And this can only be done by removing the Yorubas and bendle area from nigeria. It would remove fear of domination.

fear of domination is the reason why there is civil war in africa.


ethnically, Ghana is high-majority 45% Akan (with subunits Asante, Fante, etc.), with Mole-Dagbon 15.2%, Ewe 11.7%, Ga-Dangme 7.3%, Guan 4%, Gurma 3.6%, Grusi 2.6%, Mande-Busanga 1%, other tribes 1.4%, other 7.8% (2000 census; CIA information)




The Ghanaian Leadership Roll Call

Source (Wikipedia)

Osagyefo Kwame Nkrumah (21 September 1909 - 27 April 1972; prime minister from March 6, 1957 – 1 July 1960; president of Ghana from 1 July 1960 – 24 February 1966); from Nkroful, Western Region; Nzima ethnic group.
General Joseph Arthur Ankrah (18 August 1915 - 25 November 1992, military ruler from 24 February, 1966 – 2 April, 1969); of the Ga ethnic group, around Accra capital
General Akwasi Amankwaa Afrifa (24 April, 1936 - 26 June, 1979 ; military leader from 2 April, 1969 – 3 April, 1970 ); from Mampong, Ashanti Region;
Dr. Kofi Abresia Busia (11 July 1913 - 28 August 1978, civilian prime minister from October 1, 1969 – January 13, 1972); from Wenchi, Brong Ahafo Region.
General Ignatius Kutu Acheampong (23 September 1931 – 16 June 1979, military ruler from 13 January 1972 – 5 July 1978); from Kumasi, Ashanti Region.
General Frederic William Akuffo (21 March 1937 – 26 June 1979, military ruler from 5 July, 1978 – 4 June, 1979 ); from Akropong, Eastern Region
Flight Lieutenant Jerry John Rawlings (22 June 1947 to date, military ruler from June 4 -September 24 1979); born in Accra; mother is Ewe, father Scottish.
Dr. Hilla Liman (12 December 1934 – 23 January 1998, civilian president from 24 September 1979 – 31 December 1981); from Gwollu, Upper West Region
Flight Lieutenant Jerry John Rawlings (22 June 1947 to date, military ruler from 31 December 1981 – 7 January 1993); father Scottish.
Jerry Rawlings (22 June 1947 to date, civilian president from 7 January 1993 – 7 January 2001 ); mother Ewe, father Scottish.
Dr. John Kofi Agyekum Kufuor (8 December 1938 to date, civilian president from 7 January 2001 – 7 January 2009 ); from Kumasi, Ashanti Region
Prof. John Atta Mills (1944-to-date, civilian president from January 7, 2009 to ?); born Tarkwa, Western Region; hails from Ekumfi Otuam in the Mfantsiman East Constituency of the Central region

Politics ain't really my thing but all we have to do is look at a country like Ghana where the opposition party won an election fair and square without any drama and realize that it can work and is the answer for Africa.The problem is leadership ain't sincere and so long as that remains the same Western style Democracy or Democracy itself would only be a slogan and a pipedream

I think I addressed this briefly in this thread. The Union (when the immigrant colonists seized the land after the American Revolution) was formed by willing parties who thought out rules and governmental forms most suitable for the people (thus, the constitution). Things ran relatively smooth for those times (even with the civil war) - worldwide conflict with industrialization, and the toppling of the European aristocracy made America "saner" than most nations. Despite some differences, I'd say that at the end, many Americans held the union in high regard because it was of their making. There was an upward progression.


I cannot say the same for Nigeria.

It wasn't as rosy as you make it sound. There is a reason why the Americans were dedicated in making their chosen system of governance work and why it may appear saner to you. They had to fight for their independence. The after effects of war was a defining factor in the birth of the constitution. I mean when you know you're coming from a place that you were suppressed, you would do everything in your power to make the new one work. In my opinion Nigerians (as a one united force, and not one tribal defiance against the government or a one man and the government petty quarrel) have never really fought for anything.  For example, if Abdulsalami hadn't given up the seat we would probably still be under military rule waiting for some savior.

Changing our baby democracy isn't really the solution. You could change our system of governance today but  the leaders who screwed the former would be ever willing to control/ruin and rotate power within themselves with the latest one. All this because we have learned to look the other way when they do such, and not democracy.

Also, why democracy thrives in America is not because it's of their own making but because each generation have learned to respect even the opinions of the bum on the streets. Respect for your fellow human being is a trait that is highly needed in whatever form good governance comes in. I'm afraid we are lacking in that. The problems in Nigeria should not be blamed on democracy but the nigerian people's attitude towards the development of change.

stillwater:

Also, why democracy thrives in America is not because it's of their own making but because each generation have learned to respect even the opinions of the bum on the streets. Respect for your fellow human being is a trait that is highly needed in whatever form good governance comes in. I'm afraid we are lacking in that. The problems in Nigeria should not be blamed on democracy but the nigerian people's attitude towards the development of change.

And do you really think a democratic government in Nigeria can instil the discipline into the minds of our people??
We need a military government. . . . . .Men with discipline who are ready to flush out the bad elements and drill the incompetent politicians.
Let em rule for 4 years and complete a successful transition and hand over to a democratic president.

What makes you think Americans were disciplined early in their history.  The Wild Wild West and the KKK aren't folklore.  Nigerians just aren't patient.  10years and yall want to jump ship.

Let em rule for 4 years and complete a successful transition and hand over to a democratic president.

wasn't that the same noble plan in Burma? The army shouldn't get involved in politics, this lesson has been learnt in the Philippines and Turkey.

bawomolo:

What makes you think Americans were disciplined early in their history.  The Wild Wild West and the KKK aren't folklore.  Nigerians just aren't patient.  10years and yall want to jump ship.

Wild Wild West and KKK are different things entirely.
The Military would not wipe out all the armed robbers/cultists/fraudsters BUT they will reduce it to the barest minimum.

wasn't that the same noble plan in Burma? The army shouldn't get involved in politics, this lesson has been learnt in the Philippines and Turkey.

Naija is a more complex state than Burma and Philippines. The Military are coming in to bring orderliness in the lives of Nigerians.
It means there would be WAI-2 and other programmes that would cut out all the undesirable elements in the system of Nigeria.
Let em do that for 4 years and vacate power for a democratic President. Once the discipline issue is sorted out, Naija would get back on track.
If we continue to deceive ourselves that these touts we call lawmakers would reshape Nigeria then we are having a laugh.

~Sauron~:

And do you really think a democratic government in Nigeria can instil the discipline into the minds of our people??
We need a military government. . . . . .Men with discipline who are ready to flush out the bad elements and drill the incompetent politicians.
Let em rule for 4 years and complete a successful transition and hand over to a democratic president.

Military rule is a no-no. Look to Uganda in the 1970's to see what I mean.

@ bawomolo, the "10 years is too short to jump ship" is a cop-out. On one note, we might as well have had Abacha/Babangida and their cronies to keep ruling until military rule sorts itself out centuries into the future and Nigeria turns into Utopia. On another note, the democracy we practice didn't actually just start 10 years ago. Again, I still don't know how long you wish for things to change for better at this pace. A century? two? When the earth is nuked? (psyche, just kidding!!!!!)

Cannot connect India/Ghana/Senegal to Nigeria and the larger African nations I mentioned. Especially Senegal and Ghana.

Anyways, maybe time will prove me wrong based on your examples and things WILL get better without the need to make changes. Ultimately, that is what we all want. Best wishes.

Nnenna1:

Military rule is a no-no. Look to Uganda in the 1970's to see what I mean.

Idi-Amin wouldn't have gotten away with what he did in the 70's today.
Come on. . . . .The world has moved on and comparing what happened 40 years ago to what is happening now is way off-mark.
We have the internet now. For how long would a Dictator continue to oppress his own people without the international community catching a sniff??

Wild Wild West and KKK are different things entirely.
The Military would not wipe out all the armed robbers/cultists/fraudsters BUT they will reduce it to the barest minimum.

How is the wild wild west a different, America was once lawless and disorderly. It took the hard work of guys like Teddy Roosevelt to get where America is it too. Teddy Roosevelt, FDR weren't dictators.

Naija is a more complex state than Burma and Philippines.

how so?

If we continue to deceive ourselves that these touts we call lawmakers would reshape Nigeria then we are having a laugh.

The problem is these touts were that call themselves lawmakers were former military administrators or employed under past military administrations in Nigeria. This fact won't change regardless of whether civilians or army men are in power.

we might as well have had Abacha/Babangida and their cronies to keep ruling until military rule sorts itself out centuries into the future and Nigeria turns into Utopia

The army had been in power for three decades, we also have examples from other military dictatorships that show Army men have no knowledge about political administration. Look at the numerous retired army officers that are Nigerian politicians? If even Lebanon hasn't given up on democracy, why should Nigeria.

Cannot connect India/Ghana/Senegal to Nigeria and the larger African nations though. Especially Senegal and Ghana.

India is a small nation , Ghana is an homogeneous nation

On another note, the democracy we practice didn't actually just start 10 years ago

Yes it did, The parliamentary system of 1960 is different from the more American style we have today.

For how long would a Dictator continue to oppress his own people without the international community catching a sniff??

belarus and turkmenistan?

When people say western style democracy, I can hardly understand that cause the democracy of the United states is different compared to that of Canadians. In Canada, to parties can combine to topple the prime minister if the parliamentary seat of those two parties combined is more than that of the ruling party. That can't happen in the USA. Democracy is the government of the people for the people by the people. It is suppose to put the people first. What we have in Nigeria is not democracy by practice, it is democracy by name. In Nigeria, we practice federalism but in Canada, each state manage their resources while paying federal taxes to the federal government. Workers also pay taxes, companies pay taxes. If I buy a milk, there is federal and state tax to be paid on it (not much oo) but the federal get paid while the resource is managed by the state.

bawomolo:

How is the wild wild west a different, America was once lawless and disorderly.  It took the hard work of guys like Teddy Roosevelt to get where America is it too.  Teddy Roosevelt, FDR weren't dictators.

Lawless and disorderly?? I cannot remember Americans defecating everywhere nature calls em.
I would take the lawlessness n disorderliness in em days in America to what we have in Nigeria today.
Nothing works in our beloved country. Things are in disarray. Unemployment is a big issue no one seems to be talking about now until it blows up like nitro. There are no records. Politicians continue to delve deeper in their corrupt ways and things are just fuckery, abeg.

how so?

Naija is just a complex state where no Military Dictator can take us for a ride by staying in power longer than necessary.
We have more pressure groups capable of making the life of any dictator extremely difficult.
Naija cannot go the way of Burma or Philippines.

The problem is these touts were that call themselves lawmakers were former military administrators or employed under past military administrations in Nigeria. This fact won't change regardless of whether civilians or army men are in power.

Are u sure??
Military men earn their ranks through discipline unlike politicians. Any street urchin can be in the senate. All he needs is money and the support of a godfather. I doubt such happens in the military. I understand there are bad elements in the military but Naija would have strict disciplinarian military officers who are not bent. I am sure we can find highly recommended men the way Dora Akinyuli was unearthed.

The army had been in power for three decades, we also have examples from other military dictatorships that show Army men have no knowledge about political administration. Look at the numerous retired army officers that are Nigerian politicians? If even Lebanon hasn't given up on democracy, why should Nigeria.

Lebanon is a more conducive place to be than Nigeria.
Power supply alone is enough to stick to democracy in Nigeria but do we even have that??

9jaganja:

When people say western style democracy, I can hardly understand that cause the democracy of the United states is different compared to that of Canadians. In Canada, to parties can combine to topple the prime minister if the parliamentary seat of those two parties combined is more than that of the ruling party. That can't happen in the USA. Democracy is the government of the people for the people by the people. It is suppose to put the people first. What we have in Nigeria is not democracy by practice, it is democracy by name. In Nigeria, we practice federalism but in Canada, each state manage their resources while paying federal taxes to the federal government. Workers also pay taxes, companies pay taxes. If I buy a milk, there is federal and state tax to be paid on it (not much oo) but the federal get paid while the resource is managed by the state.

If I may add, I think with Nigerians, we have a people who expect government to magically get's itself right with next to no work required of us, Nigerians. LIke you said we do not have a democracy at this time, as it would require involvement on the part of the people to get that. It seems we an impatient and lazy bunch; not willing to fight to get it to work, but quick to write it off as having failed, so we can continue looking for that magical system of government that will magically set things right, right out of the box.

There is no style of Government that can suit Naija.

Igbo's prefer village democracy, Yorubas prefer hereditary monarchy, Hausa's prefer Caliphate by consultation or election; whilst in Ijaw land, whoever raises the biggest war canoe house can vie for the Kingship. Lets call the whole thing off!

Till date, Buhari and Idiagbon are the best things that ever happened to Naija. Thats what we need, a strong good-hearted military dictator to clear the decks. We deserve it, cos we have proved ourselves to be undemocratic.

Ibime:

Till date, Buhari and Idiagbon are the best things that ever happened to Naija. Thats what we need, a strong good-hearted military dictator to clear the decks. We deserve it, cos we have proved ourselves to be undemocratic.

Brilliant!!!
U are a breath of fresh air.

Lol the truth is we have not had true politicians since the inception of our so-called Democracy i mean people who are really there to serve the masses what we have are political jobbers and opportunists who are only out there to embezzle funds till their wallets and bank accounts become obese!! the problems are not with the laws and the constitutions itself it is with leadership and the crooks we have entrusted to steer our country's ship

Ibime:

There is no style of Government that can suit Naija.

Igbo's prefer village democracy, Yorubas prefer hereditary monarchy, Hausa's prefer Caliphate by consultation or election; whilst in Ijaw land, whoever can raise the biggest war canoe house can vie for the Kingship. Lets call the whole thing off!

Till date, Buhari and Idiagbon are the best things that ever happened to Naija. Thats what we need, a strong good-hearted military dictator to clear the decks. We deserve it, cos we have proved ourselves to be undemocratic.

We could always split if all else fails. . .The old Yugoslavia is now made up of at least 4 or 5 countries so its all gravy
The problem with military dictatorship is they all start good!! Idi-Amin started good so did Kabila and same for Abacha so who is to say Buhari and Idiagbon would not have turned into monsters

A-40:

Idi-Amin started good so did Kabila and same for Abacha so who is to say Buhari and Idiagbon would not have turned into monsters

Idiagbon was too disciplined a man to have turned into a monster.
He was square-toed, the exact kinda leader we need to govern Nigeria.

~Sauron~:

Idiagbon was too disciplined a man to have turned into a monster.
He was square-toed, the exact kinda leader we need to govern Nigeria.

Same thing with Abacha.

debosky:

Same thing with Abacha. 

Abacha was disciplined??
R u high on cheap spliffs?? Abacha had loads of corruption on his hands when he was at GOC Ibadan, my friend.
People knew he was always going to be a Arrow and he did not disappoint.

Western Style democracy is just fine. Our traditional systems failed us. Problem is, we cling to them because we fear the unknown. To us, true style democracy is scary. We cling to tribalist instincts, outdated traditions and rituals, and when some of us point these out, we get labeled traitors, western stooges, colonized minds, the list is endless. There is no end to traditional African ignorance. It's this ignorance that has resulted in stillborn nations.

Our traditional chiefs failed us, our tribal leaders failed us, our national founding fathers failed us, our first round of leaders failed us, our current leaders fail us, does the future hold continual failure? Democracy isn't the problem here,


I wouldn't be quick to call for divine intervention to salvage our land, but a leader who has the balls to stand up to something far closer to us, African tradition.

Ma 9000th post this is amazing i have spent too much time on NL

~Sauron~:

Idiagbon was too disciplined a man to have turned into a monster.
He was square-toed, the exact kinda leader we need to govern Nigeria.

Being disciplined does not stop you from being a monster!! You can be a disciplined monster the best military leader would probably have been Murtala but then again all this stuff is just probability the likes of Castro and Hitler all started like that and as they got power drunk turned into something else who says Nigeria would not have been like Cuba if those guys stayed in power.Democracy is still the best option we just ain't doing it right yet

demo theives and demo crazy people are what you have in naija. they are all mad men who should have been locked up. i hope one soldier come and lock them up again so soon.