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Re: Unfortunate Deaths In Our Hospitals; A Nurse's Perspective by Fearcom(m): 9:05am On Nov 07, 2015 |
iambabaG: Very little government can do?? Let's not deceive ourselves, our politicians and political office holders fly out of the country for medical treatment for any little medical ailment leaving the rest of us to bear the brunt. And the cost of medical treatment is borne by who? The Nigerian taxpayers! Let there be a law whereby every political office holder is forced to seek medical treatment here at home and you will see the speed at which the hospitals will develop. They don't have money to develop health care but they have tens of thousands of dollars of tx payers money to spend outside another person's country. 3 Likes |
Re: Unfortunate Deaths In Our Hospitals; A Nurse's Perspective by reflx(m): 9:06am On Nov 07, 2015 |
saddens me every time i hear such news..."Most of the deaths and disabilities attributable to childbirth are avoidable because the medical solutions are well known,the challenge that remains is therefore not technological but strategic and organisational" (alvarez et al, 2009). we really have a long way to go and may posterity judge us well in the end-that we did all we could at all times as one involved in providing emergency care, I'll discuss some factors we need to be aware of 1. Where did the woman register for her ANC care? if she registered there, then they have all obligation to attend to her once in labour. if not- when it is an emergency she ought to be referred to a specialist hospital due to late presentation and associated maybe unknown negative history such as hypertension etc. 2. Was the ANC care provided adequate and was she educated on the signs of labour and the need for early presentation once she has seen her show or noticed increase in contractions painful or not. then how many ANC sessions did she attend? 3. Our training for nurses and midwives needs to instil confidence in them as to recognise and manage post Partum Haemorrhage.(bleeding after childbirth). we see nurses and midwives that scream "DOCTOR OO" once they see the excessive bleeding and also our young doctors need to simply follow the pathway of management. 4. we all agree that our health facilities are derelict and deficient, but with what we have, some deaths are not justifiable please. FINALLY for prospective parents, once your wife takes in. 1. begin to save monthly towards the childbirth ( as little as 5k or 10k monthly) 2. go on a hospital research- find the one closest to your residence that offers the following a. specialist care- the ANC is run by a O and G consultant. b. here is always a doctor on call at night. c. they have a functional theatre d. have a track record of safe deliveries - shows nurses and midwives are doing well (maybe) 3. be vigilant for warning signs of labor as at the 8th - 9th month 4. have transport ready especially within the 8th and 9th month 5. keep some cash at home within this period also- so if you ned to deposit any sum- you are able to do so even if in part. maternal mortality is preventable guys! 7 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Unfortunate Deaths In Our Hospitals; A Nurse's Perspective by Nobody: 9:07am On Nov 07, 2015 |
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Re: Unfortunate Deaths In Our Hospitals; A Nurse's Perspective by omogin(f): 9:12am On Nov 07, 2015 |
chrisbaba1: Revive with what? Lol... You think its with bare hands people are revived. Or you think all drugs should be free. If there's no food in your house and someone comes hungry and asking for food at midnight, what would you do? Take your blame to the policy makers and those who should finance the system. Healthcare is better abroad, why? Is it because the health workers are more competent and dedicated? Not necessarily. Effective working systems are put in place to make the work possible 9 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Unfortunate Deaths In Our Hospitals; A Nurse's Perspective by Nobody: 9:14am On Nov 07, 2015 |
olrotimi:shutting down less equipped health centres is never an option. We're still far behind in health adequacy 3 Likes |
Re: Unfortunate Deaths In Our Hospitals; A Nurse's Perspective by nkemdi89(f): 9:14am On Nov 07, 2015 |
There is need for couples to put aside emergency money during pregnancy, most times you will see men running helter skelter when their wife is in labour, also most of these big hospitals don't have doctors it's mostly consultants our teaching hospitals and fmcs remains the best despite their constant strike. Generally in these country people don't go for test, early detection of most ailment solves the issue of it going into an emergency stage except in the case of accidents and gun shot wounds. 1 Like |
Re: Unfortunate Deaths In Our Hospitals; A Nurse's Perspective by Onyiido: 9:18am On Nov 07, 2015 |
delishpot:Those "Akara" hospitals may be operated or owned by a doctor who works in a general hospital. Its high time FG compels them to close up those "akara" hospital and face their work in the general hospital or face their "akara" hospital. Always so indifferent to human issues. 4 Likes |
Re: Unfortunate Deaths In Our Hospitals; A Nurse's Perspective by Nobody: 9:18am On Nov 07, 2015 |
free2blast:My thoughts Exactly! It's Pathetic how lives is lost on daily basis due to all this silly negligence. No bed, no doctor, no nurse, no money bla bla. Life to this people is worth nothing I swear 3 Likes |
Re: Unfortunate Deaths In Our Hospitals; A Nurse's Perspective by delishpot: 9:19am On Nov 07, 2015 |
teamchocolate: Who said anything about shutting them up? I only said they should be graded and not allowed some certain things. Yes! If you cant have access to helping women transfer to a better hospital during the course of labour should any emergency situation, that hospital should not be allowed to run a maternity ward. Why run a hospital when in reality it is a death trap? Hospitals at least private ones are investments to some people. If the government does what I said, before granting what grade license a hospital gets believe me those opening hospitals will do everything to meet up to standard. It is the way it is now because they are not controlled and it is basically an anything goes trade for now. And yes, the government shiuld do better at equiping the state owned hospital too. Abeg where is Buhari? Who is advicing him? He should make me his PA 2 Likes |
Re: Unfortunate Deaths In Our Hospitals; A Nurse's Perspective by omogin(f): 9:22am On Nov 07, 2015 |
richyfunky: May your kids become nurses and doctors... Lol, I will wait to see if ur opinion changes then. Talk is easy 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Unfortunate Deaths In Our Hospitals; A Nurse's Perspective by Pearlbim1(f): 9:22am On Nov 07, 2015 |
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Re: Unfortunate Deaths In Our Hospitals; A Nurse's Perspective by donodion(m): 9:23am On Nov 07, 2015 |
zed7: You are unjustifiably harsh at the OPs true state of happenings and your last paragraph is completely uncalled for.Its like saying since soldiers have signed up for the call,regardless they are ill-equiped they should proceed to boko harm base and confront them.Childish reasoning !!!. What Do you expect a nurse on duty to do with a new patient while he was busy with another patient in labor? It's called priority.Besides the fact there were only two nurses on duty...in a general hospital where there should be at least 4 per ward...inclusive of intern. And only one doctor on duty... Who might also be an intern. In health related issues..you just don't " use anything " to handle procedures. Healthcare workers using kerosene lantern while suturing or handling an invasive procedure itself is a health risk.No matter how skilled you are.chances of infection and cross Infection is high. Besides you could land yourself with a medico legal hazard Instances. The Nigerian health sector needs complete overhauling @ Op thank you for the post and the poster of that article of the last meeting held by UNGOSA. 7 Likes |
Re: Unfortunate Deaths In Our Hospitals; A Nurse's Perspective by helpee(m): 9:24am On Nov 07, 2015 |
horlus:so sorry for your loss but that doesnt mean the hospital is to blame. look, the mere fact they knew your baby had jaundice doesnt mean they must be able to save your baby unless you tell us what they were supposed to do that they didnt do. it may interest you to know that we dont have any level 3 NICU in nigeria where we can take care of extremely sick babies. no faacilities for ECMO, HFOV etc. so even if your baby is seriously sick and i know your baby needs any of these, i cant help cos we dont have such facilities. moreso, jaundice from what? is your wife O NEGATIVE? was the jauncice physiological or was it as a result of infection or even congenital problem ? i am not standing in for them but the mere fact they knew your baby had jaundice does not mean they must be able to save your baby. people still die even in the best setting despite advanced medical procedures. my intention is to set up a level 3 NICU in nigeria with facilties for ECMO but even in such centres the minimum deposit will still be like 500,000 naira only. i need close to 500milliion to set it up and to maintain is very expensive. i am presently studying neonatal medicine at cardiff and my total school fees when i finish this post graduate program will be about 15million in 2yrs. so, it will still be impossible for me to help the very sick children of poor people even after setting it up so if you bring your sick baby in emergency without deposit i wont admit you and that doesnt mean i am wicked. 11 Likes |
Re: Unfortunate Deaths In Our Hospitals; A Nurse's Perspective by SporaD8: 9:25am On Nov 07, 2015 |
richyfunky:You may as well sell yourself into perpetually slavery and donate your value worth to help others. That is the life of servitude doctors live. Our medical personnels are not that heartless as you try to depict. But how many patient can you offered to treat for free in just a day before you go bankrupt? You must have think equipments and other expendable medical facilities used in attending to patient are plug from trees. 2 Likes |
Re: Unfortunate Deaths In Our Hospitals; A Nurse's Perspective by GogetterMD(m): 9:27am On Nov 07, 2015 |
I can totally relate. I have served in a hospital in the northern part of the country, a large secondary health center that caters for referrals from 7 LGAs from within and the neighbouring stated. And guess what? There was just 4 doctors catering for a 150-bed hospital, that runs emergency, theatre and outpatient services. I had to wake up to see at least 30 patients on an early morning wardround, thereafter go to the OPD to see between another 100-120 patients on the average everyday. Now tell me how you expect someone not to suffer from mental exhaustion, bearing in mind that you are dealing with human lives. I don't even want to go into the details of the pathetic state of facilities on ground 5 Likes |
Re: Unfortunate Deaths In Our Hospitals; A Nurse's Perspective by chukel(m): 9:28am On Nov 07, 2015 |
richyfunky:u r an idi.ot. Doctors should do anything and everything to save lives cos that should be priority and yet you come to hospital empty handed. Even private hospitals in developed climes don't treat patients free of charge. U seriously lack comprehension. Y not go to an eatery, eat to ur satisfaction and not pay. Tell them they are saving life and see what happens to you. You kn there can be life threatening conditions, yet u play with ur life. Nonsense. 6 Likes |
Re: Unfortunate Deaths In Our Hospitals; A Nurse's Perspective by infogenius(m): 9:28am On Nov 07, 2015 |
I appreciate this thread op. You have stated your angle and not that of other nurses and doctors But here are my reservations. Any hospital at this age that does not have a Dr to cover at night is no hospital and should go into oblivion How can one tell me that it is only between 8am - 4pm that ill health comes. I'll health and emergencies are round the clock and the hospital management know this What I have discovered is that most Drs in govt owned hospitals have private clinics and would prefer to spend more of their time in their clinics than to be on duty at their place of primary assignment. This alone has caused the loss of many lives because there is no Dr in the hospital to attend to patients. I also noticed that the death of patients is no longer a big deal to hospital staff and that is why it is money first before anything else. So sad, The nurses are not spared either, even with stringent hospital policies, many of our nurses have become so heartless that besides the manner they talk to sick patients but also their non challant attitude to work. There are situations were a woman in labour is allowed to suffer because the nurses want to catch some sleep. Enuf said about the Drs and nurses. The government should carry more of the blame. What is the government doing to protect life and property? Protection of life is tied greatly to adequate and timely health care. For example, if accidents happen on the roads, no matter how fatal it is the victims will be laid on the road at most for people to sympathise with and take pictures for a long time . Waiting for who? Many People have lost their lives this way. What if phone numbers to well trained emergency units in every ward or district is placed everywhere and given to Road and transport unions to call when emergencies like accidents happen. So many lives would have been saved. The government is not caring with respect to emergencies so also are the staff put in place. Why should hospitals be short staffed? Very crazy! They are simply clueless about moving the health sector forward. This is also sad I pray that any one of us or members of our families will not fall into the hands of this clueless people IJN God bless you all and our dear nation Nigeria 3 Likes |
Re: Unfortunate Deaths In Our Hospitals; A Nurse's Perspective by Nobody: 9:29am On Nov 07, 2015 |
nkemdi89: If men learn d harbit of saving no matter how small, their won't be running helter skelter when money is needed |
Re: Unfortunate Deaths In Our Hospitals; A Nurse's Perspective by tunesoft(m): 9:34am On Nov 07, 2015 |
richyfunky:very right...but how many lives can they save before there on sef enter comma. There are issues on ground if it's not sorted situations like this will keep repeating itself. N.a. teeth dem go use save lives. Or make them use thier salary save lives finish? Or make them carry patient on dem head when dem refer? We are in Nigeria peeps , let's face reality 4 Likes |
Re: Unfortunate Deaths In Our Hospitals; A Nurse's Perspective by Nobody: 9:35am On Nov 07, 2015 |
Cutehector:You missed the point completely!!!! I think you need to reread. 2 Likes |
Re: Unfortunate Deaths In Our Hospitals; A Nurse's Perspective by delishpot: 9:35am On Nov 07, 2015 |
Onyiido: Very true. They should be regulated. If they dont have certain instrunments,certain number of staff, certain number of ambulances, certain mode of power generating set(which shouldnt be an issue on this list if the govt of naija knows what it is doing, light shouldnt be a problem in naija at this day and age) certain qualification of staff, certain availability of doctors on call etc. Every hospital in naija should be graded and operational certificate given based on their ability to meet certain needs. 2 Likes |
Re: Unfortunate Deaths In Our Hospitals; A Nurse's Perspective by selfmade001(f): 9:35am On Nov 07, 2015 |
Dats stil ok, uve nt seen situations where a Nurse is covering surgical, orthopedic and A & E together, wt notin less than 40 inward patients. She collapsed one day in the ward nd alarm was raised by pts she's suppose to b caring for. Nigerian health sector is rily in shambles, I knw of a state hosp. wt only 3drs nd 5 Nurses. Am also a Nurse. Jackeeh: 2 Likes |
Re: Unfortunate Deaths In Our Hospitals; A Nurse's Perspective by josite: 9:41am On Nov 07, 2015 |
I stopped reading your story where u said he was in distress but Hus condition doesn't seems life threatening. so the fact that he is in distress is not good enough to warrant immediate attention. your case is lost.you are one of them nurses. 6 Likes |
Re: Unfortunate Deaths In Our Hospitals; A Nurse's Perspective by sobal(m): 9:42am On Nov 07, 2015 |
delishpot:true talk dose hospital dat does nt hav adequate. Equipment and staff shld be closed 1 Like |
Re: Unfortunate Deaths In Our Hospitals; A Nurse's Perspective by MPVGoddess: 9:44am On Nov 07, 2015 |
horlus:Accept my sympathy, you didn't just lose a baby, you lost dreams, nothing can erase such sorrow! Maybe you should have gotten a friendly doctor or hospital to do the needful since the delivery hospital didn't care to do so. Sorry |
Re: Unfortunate Deaths In Our Hospitals; A Nurse's Perspective by Nobody: 9:44am On Nov 07, 2015 |
mickey45:Nigeria is breeding medical personnel for export. I also need a way out. Anybody with info on how to export myself too, should let me know. Thanks. |
Re: Unfortunate Deaths In Our Hospitals; A Nurse's Perspective by tunesoft(m): 9:47am On Nov 07, 2015 |
Cutehector:Unfortunately it doesn't work that way..rules are there to guide them. They don't follow rules. There is more chance of losing thier job which I doubt u can offer another. Meanwhile religion I this issue is sentimental. 1 Like |
Re: Unfortunate Deaths In Our Hospitals; A Nurse's Perspective by arinzest: 9:47am On Nov 07, 2015 |
horlus: am very sorry for your loss sir. as a father of 3 i empathise wt u. as an obstetrician, i've read what you and others have written n want to clarify smths. jaundice will not manifest at birth unless in cases of severe intrauterine hemolysis. it takes at least 24 hours. many causes of neonatal jaundice abound but d commonest is physiologic. despite past history of NNJ, ur baby will only be monitored closely by d neonatologists unless it was a clear case of jaundice wt known cause. prophylactic phototherapy would be commenced but in most centers, phototherapy units are not even rnough for the cases of frank jaundice, smths two babies share one unit. not that d doctors n nurses dnt knw d risks but its better than no phototherapy. the bane of out job is dt we dnt have time to explain in details to relatives as in other climes. clinical staff are overworked. the nurse said 2 nurses manned night shift and pple were alarmed. i work in a federal medical center in d east, u nurses man a 12 beded labour ward in d only functional tertiary center in d state during night shift. d whole of labour ward unit have 12 nurses. please note dt an embargo on unemployment was on since last year and was just lifted. we are understaffed am sorry for d ones lost. i remember d names and faces of every woman i lost. i cant bring them back. none of us can but hosp staff really work their arses off for their patients. i knw dt sm state facilities have poorly motivated staff due to owed salaries but d federal hosp staff really do their best. as a corp member in 2007, i was d only doctor in 2 local governments. d only trained nurses n scientists on ground were corp members but we saved lives for the many saved, we God thanks, for the few we lost, we carry d scars. no doctor, nurse, scientist or pharmacist will want to lose a patient. even DNR (do not resuscitate) patients, even wn d books tell u its useless, we still hang on n pray God. Our system is in shanbles but its what we have. our university system make doctors, nurses dt can hold their own anywhere. presently, d UK home office has waived many restrictns for nurses from Africa. we will lose more to them. we really need massive infrastructural investments in our healthcare sector 4 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Unfortunate Deaths In Our Hospitals; A Nurse's Perspective by selfmade001(f): 9:47am On Nov 07, 2015 |
U say negligence? I witnessed one of Matron 's husband died ryt in front of us in the hosp , no bed, no oxygen I Dont even wanna go deep into dat story. Life to us means somthing to us goldenruby: 1 Like |
Re: Unfortunate Deaths In Our Hospitals; A Nurse's Perspective by arinzest: 9:53am On Nov 07, 2015 |
if we are to close all 'substandard hospitals' in nigeria, no primary health centre or state general hospital will be open. half of d teaching hospitals n federal medical centers will be closed. even in abuja, how many beds are in asokoro or maitama gen hosp? to serve a populatn of how many people? Hospitals are not just structures, its d personnel n equipment dt make hospitals 2 Likes |
Re: Unfortunate Deaths In Our Hospitals; A Nurse's Perspective by stag: 9:54am On Nov 07, 2015 |
Op, I would have loved to agree with you in all of this except one thing: Why do hospitals have 24hrs standby ambulances but have only 8am-4pm drivers. Emergencies do not occur at night? A friend's father died in an hospital at about 1pm on a sunday and they needed ambulance to take the body to a morgue, the hospital said without thought nor remorse: "Our driver does not work on Sundays"! How ridiculous! Emergencies do not occur on Sundays? All these hospitals should just open at 8am and lock up at 4pm, Monday-Friday. 2 Likes |
Re: Unfortunate Deaths In Our Hospitals; A Nurse's Perspective by purplelips(f): 9:54am On Nov 07, 2015 |
richyfunky:It's easy to criticize when you're not the one wearing the shoes. |
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