Sagamite:

You qualify as a slowpoke.

Sagamite:

You qualify as a slowpoke.

This was a word that was formulated by the gay crusade and their supporters to attack and suppress opposing views. I refuse to accept it as their is a historical definition of phobia that disqualify the use of the word homophobic.

LMAO.   Wow
Don't mind that lousy girl.  She is fond of calling people homophobes for arguing against homosexuality.

oyinda.:

why are you so worried about being labeled as homophobic anyways lol Most homophobics and racists don't like to admit it that they are.

Don't mind the slowpoke!

We see the consistent attempts by the gay crusaders to link homosexuality to racism to give it credibility when there is no logical link in the two.

no comments regarding the personal attacks   I take that to be part of your numerous weaknesses

You can call me pro-morals or pro-nature if you wish.

I prefer to call you homophobic. It more appropriately defines you.

What the Bleep are you going to do about unemployed women that are baby factories without abusing their human rights?

ok. stop swearing up and down the forum Mr. morality.
and since when did you care about human right abuse?

It's a woman's choice if she has no means of supporting her kids but goes on to produce 10 babies and leave it to the taxpayers to take care of her and her kids. This has negative effects on the children being brought up in terms of welfare.
can you make a similar case about adopted children brought up by homosexual parents?

I have been following the arguments from start and must say they have been very educative albeit multi-faceted with numerous views.

We seem to be diverting from the purpose of the thread but before we go any futher i would like to state this:

Because Someone is morally opposed to homosexuality does not label him/her as a Homophobic person.
In fact the conception of the word has been found to be faulty
I tolerate Homosexuals, but do not admire, support nor wish to nurture them
If homosexuals have a right to feel differently so do I! And I guess if their fanatics cant stand me i can call them "Hetero-phobes" too?
Doesn't make sense.

I dont have a problem with gays being born "natural" or not, I have a problem with the name calling of people who may wish to tolerate but not necessarily accept their way of life.

Huxley you like asking silly questions.  The fact that you disagree with my answer to your question is your wound to nurse within your inner self.  If you want to engage in incestuous intercourse and it's legal within your jurisdiction, more power to you.

If my answer was unclear to you, I apologize.  Let's see if I can clarify myself below

Incest, is it immoral?  Moral universalism is not applicable here huxley, else I would have a yes or no answer for you.  As it stands, the answer to this question is relative.
Why is it immoral?  To some it could be immoral for religious reasons, to some it could be immoral due to a personally adopted philosophy, to others it could be immoral for the disgust factor (most of us are genetically programmed not to lust after our immediate family) - different strokes for different folks.


Its morality and legality are mutually exclusive.  It's unlikely that legalizing or banning incest would change your mind about whether or not it is moral/immoral.  It's more of a widely accepted, unwritten taboo.

Is it illegal?  Answer is again relative.
Why is it illegal?   The main reason it is frowned upon is because of the genetic malformations that can be incurred, but I think there might be other factors as well.

I do agree with you that it becomes a slippery slope if we legally forbid incest because of genetic issues.

Now enough with incest. Back to homos.

Because Someone is morally opposed to homosexuality does not label him/her as a Homophobic person.
In fact the conception of the word has been found to be faulty
I tolerate Homosexuals, but do not admire, support nor wish to nurture them
If homosexuals have a right to feel differently so do I! And I guess if their fanatics cant stand me i can call them "Hetero-phobes" too?
Doesn't make sense.

I will assume that you are indirectly referring to me with your comment.

so, what do you call a person who doesn't tolerate homosexuals, repeatedly calls a homosexual "gay" or support governments that allow homosexuals to be burned alive?
I say the person is homophobic correct me if I'm wrong


yes heterophobes do exist. lol but I wonder how they live their lives though.

oyinda.:

no comments regarding the personal attacks  I take that to be part of your numerous weaknesses

I prefer to call you homophobic. It more appropriately defines you.

ok. stop swearing up and down the forum Mr. morality.
and since when did you care about human right abuse?

It's a woman's choice if she has no means of supporting her kids but goes on to produce 10 babies and leave it to the taxpayers to take care of her and her kids. This has negative effects on the children being brought up in terms of welfare.
can you make a similar case about adopted children brought up by homosexual parents?

Dimwitted slowpoke, you come on the thread to insult me and you are now playing pious.

Stone brain.

Sagamite:

Dimwitted slowpoke, you come on the thread to insult me and you playing pious.

Stone brain.

Saga admit it - you are homophobic

anyone calling for them to be burned definitely holds them in contempt according to the definition, unless of course, you are claiming the 'gay mafia' also control entries into our dictionaries?

I agree with tubabie - not supporting homosexuality is not equivalent to homophobia in my view.

Sagamite:

Well, I am not in the camp that sees that as a positive development.

I do accept that there are exceptional and many cases where a NORMAL family system might not be in the best interest of the child. So I don't see the sense or reason to see single-parenthood as bad.

By those comments you are an idealist - you want everyone to be in a 'normal' family. In the current situation where the 'normal' family is fast disappearing, what do we do? Wait till we have normal families before raising/adopting kids? No - the key is to provide them with a safe nurturing environment, even if it isn't 'ideal'.

For the record, I didn't say single-parenthood was 'bad'; it is 'abnormal' given your previous definition of normality and thus can be validly classed in the same category as homosexual couples adopting children. To do otherwise is to engage in blatant discrimination.

oyinda.:


Homophobia:
  1. Fear of or contempt for lesbians and gay men.
  2. Behavior based on such a feeling

According to the definition you culled up there, To qualify as an homophobe i must be afraid or contemptuous of gays? no?

Well i can be tolerant and not be any of the above. Being tolerant doesn't mean ACCEPTANCE, because of that non-acceptance is generally termed as homophobia.

oyinda.:

I will assume that you are indirectly referring to me with your comment.

so, what do you call a person who doesn't tolerate homosexuals, repeatedly calls a homosexual "gay" or support governments that allow homosexuals to be burned alive?
I say the person is homophobic correct me if I'm wrong  


yes heterophobes do exist. lol but I wonder how they live their lives though.

Now those are GENERAL Human Rights issues. Any human being whether gay or not should not be denied their human rights.
BUT
You don't coin up names for people because of your sexual orientation insecurities.
You dont get in my face and force me to accept you and if i dont you call me names to make me feel bad. No way!
I will Tolerate Gay peeps but wont accept their ways. Thats my right!
The term homophobic does not describe people who can tolerate but refuse to be convinced of the morality.
Its an issue of Live and let live!

18 pages and we're still debating a non-starter?

when someone can convince me why we shld afford gays their "rights" but keep warren jeffs clamped in jail then maybe i can take nairaland seriously. Until then all we have is a silly war over semantics.

And can someone pls define a phobia pls? I see that word being carelessly flung around.

tubabie:

According to the definition you culled up there, To qualify as an homophobe i must be afraid or contemptuous of gays? no?

Well i can be tolerant and not be any of the above. Being tolerant doesn't mean ACCEPTANCE, because of that non-acceptance is generally termed as homophobia.

I don't think it is possible to hate gay people and tolerate them.
contempt is more synonymous hate not tolerance.

and no, you don't have to accept homosexuality. A lot of people (like you, I would assume) don't but they still respect homosexuals as human beings deserving of human rights.


 you did not answer my question.

so, what do you call a person who doesn't tolerate homosexuals, repeatedly calls a homosexual "gay" or support governments that allow homosexuals to be burned alive?

is this person homophobic or not?

You dont get in my face and force me to accept you and if i dont you call me names to make me feel bad. No way!

Are you speaking to me? Or you're just speaking from experience? feel free to share
I don't think I've ever conversed with you at any point in time before now.

davidylan:

18 pages and we're still debating a non-starter?

when someone can convince me why we shld afford gays their "rights" but keep warren jeffs clamped in jail then maybe i can take nairaland seriously. Until then all we have is a silly war over semantics.

Warren Jeffs brainwashes underaged women and marries them off to his crew; surely you aren't equating that with a voluntary 'partnership' of two homosexuals?

And can someone pls define a phobia pls? I see that word being carelessly flung around.

The definition of phobia is moot, I think the more desirable definition would be phobic.

A phobic person; Relating to a phobia; Used to describe a political or cultural view opposed to the norm, as defined by the observer

en.wiktionary.org/wiki/phobic

U guys are still arguing abt this?

@topic
How excatly can one be born GAY?

debosky:

Warren Jeffs brainwashes underaged women and marries them off to his crew; surely you aren't equating that with a voluntary 'partnership' of two homosexuals?  

As long as those women VOLUNTARILY chose to marry him and his crew why is this a particular problem? Why shld i not have the right to marry two women in the US?

debosky:

The definition of phobia is moot, I think the more desirable definition would be phobic.  

A phobic person; Relating to a phobia; Used to describe a political or cultural view opposed to the norm,  as defined by the observer

en.wiktionary.org/wiki/phobic

This is a wiktionary "definition" which does not count and only serves to water down the definition of a phobia so that it can be used mindlessly by those seeking to suppress dissent to their own lifestyle.

oyinda.:

I don't think it is possible to hate gay people and tolerate them.
contempt is more synonymous hate not tolerance.

and no, you don't have to accept homosexuality. A lot of people (like you, I would assume) don't but they still respect homosexuals as human beings deserving of human rights.


 you did not answer my question.

is this person homophobic or not?

Are you speaking to me? Or you're just speaking from experience? feel free to share
I don't think I've ever conversed with you at any point in time before now.

That term is relatively ambiguous and is flung around too loosely . . . . . . . . that person simply can't stand GAYS. 'Phobia' normally refers to being 'afraid' or 'in fear' of something. . . . . .  don't think Sagamite and Tubabie are 'afraid' nor 'in fear' of them.  

I work and get along with Gay people, not because they are GAY, but I like them as a person. I do not agree with their lifestyle, would not be best friends with one, would not accept any of my children to be one, but I am not homophobic.  

Secretz:

I work and get along with Gay people, not because they are GAY, but I like them as a person. I do not agree with their lifestyle, would not be best friends with one, would not accept any of my children to be one, but I am not homophobic.

same here . . .guess we dont judge

so, what do you call a person who doesn't tolerate homosexuals, repeatedly calls a homosexual "gay" or support governments that allow homosexuals to be burned alive?

Oh dear, he is a criminal and should be tried according to the law as one, or is there a law that says people termed as homophobes are criminals?

Are you speaking to me? Or you're just speaking from experience? feel free to share
I don't think I've ever conversed with you at any point in time before now

.

Well not you particularly, just generally.
Yes I had an encounter with some people i roll with, i stated my preference to respect and tolerate but refuse to change my views of their sexual orientations
Maybe if you people succeed in proving that it is natural i may have a change of heart   but till then,

to add to debosky's quote

A phobic person; Relating to a phobia; Used to describe a political or cultural view opposed to the norm,  as defined by the observer

The construction of the word is comparable to xenophobia, a much older term referring to individual or cultural hostility to foreigners or outsiders.

or

Islamophobia is a neologism that refers to prejudice or discrimination against Islam or Muslims.[1] The term seems to date back to the late 1980s,[2] but came into common usage after the September 11, 2001 attacks.[3]

tope5000:

same here . . .guess we dont judge

I need to get paid!!  

Secretz:

I need to get paid!!  

for not being homophobic? siddon dia, elton john is coming to pay u

oyinda.:

to add to debosky's quote

The construction of the word is comparable to xenophobia, a much older term referring to individual or cultural hostility to foreigners or outsiders.

or

Islamophobia is a neologism that refers to prejudice or discrimination against Islam or Muslims.[1] The term seems to date back to the late 1980s,[2] but came into common usage after the September 11, 2001 attacks.[3]

No one is hostile to or prejudiced against gays. Infact many gays who are white ARE DISCRIMINATORY to blacks. "driving/shopping while black" is still a huge problem in the US . . . there is no such thing for gays. Infact its politically correct to be overly fawning of gays.

So what exactly does the term homophobia mean?

davidylan:

No one is hostile to or prejudiced against gays. Infact many gays who are white ARE DISCRIMINATORY to blacks. "driving/shopping while black" is still a huge problem in the US . . . there is no such thing for gays. Infact its politically correct to be overly fawning of gays.

So what exactly does the term homophobia mean?

lol@davidylan singling out the white homosexual community.

fear isn't a good thing

tubabie:

Oh dear, he is a criminal and should be tried according to the law as one, or is there a law that says people termed as homophobes are criminals?
.

I'm assuming that was a sarcastic reply. it's all good though.  

Well not you particularly, just generally.
Yes I had an encounter with some people i roll with, i stated my preference to respect and tolerate but refuse to change my views of their sexual orientations
Maybe if you people succeed in proving that it is natural i may have a change of heart   but till then,  8

I will defend myself and say that I have never at any point in time forced you to agree with homosexuality etc as your first sentence implies  
I don't think it's about a changing people's heart. The question of morality is very subjective and depends on the individual person and his/her upbringing, environment etc.  I don't think anything will ever convince you that it is natural to be homosexual.

as long as you keep your view of tolerance, it's good and that's what matters the most.

I personally despise people who are intolerant and hateful towards people of minority groups esp in the US (homosexuals, muslims, ethnic minorities etc) you don't have to agree with their religion or their sexual orientation but don't be a hater. that's my motto. lol

bawomolo:

lol@davidylan singling out the white homosexual community.  

fear isn't a good thing

not singling out but making a valid point. A lot of white gays who whinge about homophobia are racist to blacks. That is a fact.

So which is the real "phobia"? Who is discriminating against gays? Blacks are far less likely to get high-profile jobs than openly gay whites. FACT!

No one is hostile to or prejudiced against gays.

oh boy
david, I hope you can live up to your word.

oyinda.:

oh boy
david, I hope you can live up to your word.

Why shouldnt i? Whether you wish to sleep with a goat, person of the same sex, blown up doll, use a rabbbit or be celibate is none of my business.

but you never seem to be minding your business though always in one anti-gay forum or the other causing trouble

davidylan:

No one is hostile to or prejudiced against gays. Infact many gays who are white ARE DISCRIMINATORY to blacks. "driving/shopping while black" is still a huge problem in the US . . . there is no such thing for gays. Infact its politically correct to be overly fawning of gays.

So what exactly does the term homophobia mean?

You know what David, I really think homophobia is a subjective/personal thing.

Most Gay people will tell you that you are homophobic simply for telling them you do not agree with their lifestyle and wouldn't be too happy if your kids turned out to be one.  

IMO Being 'hateful' and 'intolerant' are two complete different actions.  What you do in your own home, with whom is your business.

oyinda.:

but you never seem to be minding your business though always in one anti-gay forum or the other causing trouble

if expressing my mind is "not minding my business" then may i never mind my business forever and ever.

sometimes expressing your mind can expose a lot of your prejudices out in the open. srry to say

but then this forum wouldn't exist if people didn't have differing opinions and what not shey? it's all good