I always advise you to steer well clear of the bible. Your lumpen-handed use is quite painful to behold. All it does is expose how intellectually bereft you really are. Anyway, I'm in a charitable mood

SiestaFiesta:
TV01

Deuteronomy 17:14-15

“When you come to the land that the Lord your God is giving you, and you possess it and dwell in it and then say, ‘I will set a king over me, like all the nations that are around me,’ you may indeed set a king over you whom the Lord your God will choose. One from among your brothers you shall set as king over you. You may not put a foreigner over you, who is not your brother."

A monarchy is not a political system, is it?

And the OT is prescriptive for Christians?
And even the OT reveals that Gods will was to be among them with no need for political leaders.
The scenario above was God permitting them in their weakness. It will not be so in the fullness .
And in politics, God chooses the leader abi

SiestaFiesta:
1 Peter 2:13-17

"Be subject for the Lord's sake to every human institution, whether it be to the emperor as supreme, or to governors as sent by him to punish those who do evil and to praise those who do good. For this is the will of God, that by doing good you should put to silence the ignorance of foolish people. Live as people who are free, not using your freedom as a cover-up for evil, but living as servants of God. Honor everyone. Love the brotherhood. Fear God. Honor the emperor."

No politics in the Christian Bible?

Do you even know what politics are?

So because the bible mentions politics, it is prescribing politics? And war, and polygamy, and animal sacrifice Please, stop embarrassing yourself.

I already told you, I am non-partisan and don't really care who rules politically. But that doesn't mean I willfully break duly constituted laws or refuse to recognise whoever is elected.

You are making this tedious. Make I go park, go flex


TV

crackhaus:

Happy for you.



Lol, obviously you don't have one single political bone in you - how do you separate political agenda from personal preferences?

You don't separate it at all because you go for the political agenda that will best represent your personal interest and preference.
Employers will vote for other parties than employees, for example.

Do you think Barack Obama became president because he was the best candidate?

Anyway, let's not deflect ...

That's a new topic.

Not in the sense that they hate each other...but put two strange women in a room alone together, they would first go about sizing each other up and may end up not having a conversation for the first 30minutes.

Again, let's not deflect...

I would like to read more here because you have a perspective on this matter that is quite alien to me.

I would kill myself before that would happen.

Get in line and take a number.

I have a VIP card.

You don't.

Unless you're willing to tell me how you know it.

How much will you pay?

TV01:
I always advise you to steer well clear of the bible. Your lumpen-handed use is quite painful to behold. All it does is expose how intellectually bereft you really are. Anyway, I'm in a charitable mood


And the OT is prescriptive for Christians?
And even the OT reveals that Gods will was to be among them with no need for political leaders.
The scenario above was God permitting them in their weakness. It will not be so in the fullness .
And in politics, God chooses the leader abi


So because the bible mentions politics, it is prescribing politics? And war, and polygamy, and animal sacrifice Please, stop embarrassing yourself.

I already told you, I am non-partisan and don;t really care who rules politically. But that doesn't mean I willfully break duly constituted laws or refuse to recognise whoever is elected.

You are making this tedious. Make I go park, go flex


TV

So there is mention of politics in the Bible after all?

And Christians all over the world have for centuries been seeking political power?

And we do have Christian Democratic Parties all over Europe?



You are quite delusional. You should see a doctor.

Now hit the ban button again.



Take down the picture. It makes me wanna puke.

SiestaFiesta:


"Religion played a key role in Angela Merkel's migration to East Germany. Her father was born a Catholic, but the Kasner family eventually converted to Lutheranism,[24] and he studied Lutheran theology in Heidelberg and afterwards in Hamburg. In 1954, Angela's father received a pastorate at the church in Quitzow (a quarter of Perleberg in Brandenburg), which was then in East Germany, and so the family moved to Templin. Merkel thus grew up in the countryside 80 km (50 mi) north of East Berlin."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Angela_Merkel#Early_life_and_education



Merkel is a Christian and her father was a pastor.


"The CDU applying the principles of Christian democracy and emphasising the "Christian understanding of humans and their responsibility toward God."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_Democratic_Union_of_Germany#Party_platform

Yawn! Which laws based on Biblical doctrine has Angela Merkel and/or the CDU enacted?


TV

SiestaFiesta:




So there is mention of politics in the Bible after all?

And Christians all over the world have for centuries been seeking political power?

And we do have Christian Democratic Parties all over Europe?



You are quite delusional. You should see a doctor.

Now hit the ban button again.



Take down the picture. It makes me wanna puke.

And the bible mentioning politics means it prescribes politics?
And some people who are, or who claim to be christians chasing political power makes it biblically correct?

I'm spamming you with marital bliss. Choke
And needless to say, I had nothing to do with your ban. What did you write? Abeg, retype. I quite enjoy you exposing your ignorance upandan


TV

TV01:

Yawn! Which laws based on Biblical doctrine has Angela Merkel and/or the CDU enacted?

TV

They have just taken in millions of destitute war refugees.

Matthew 25:35-40

35 For I was hungry and you gave me something to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me something to drink, I was a stranger and you invited me in, 36 I needed clothes and you clothed me, I was sick and you looked after me, I was in prison and you came to visit me.’

37 “Then the righteous will answer him, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry and feed you, or thirsty and give you something to drink? 38 When did we see you a stranger and invite you in, or needing clothes and clothe you? 39 When did we see you sick or in prison and go to visit you?’

40 “The King will reply, ‘Truly I tell you, whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers and sisters of mine, you did for me.’



Have you watched CNN or BBC tonight?

The people in Munich opened their doors to people who got stranded after the KILLING SPREE - not a Muslim terrorist attack - because streets were locked up and public transport stopped working even though the police at that time were still thinking that there was more than one perpetrator.

Could you do it at the risk that one of these perpetrators would enter your home?

Of course not, you would be directed by fear and not by faith. Hypocrite!

TV01:

And the bible mentioning politics means it prescribes politics?
And some people who are, or who claim to be christians chasing political power makes it biblically correct?

I'm spamming you with marital bliss. Choke
And needless to say, I had nothing to do with your ban. What did you write? Abeg, retype. I quite enjoy you exposing your ignorance upandan


TV

No, it doesn't.

""Be subject for the Lord's sake to every human institution, whether it be to the emperor as supreme, or to governors as sent by him to punish those who do evil and to praise those who do good."

SiestaFiesta:
The funniest statement ever coming from someone who is a self-proclaimed expert of Christianity and who pretends that he understands politics.



Christian Democratic Parties:



Greece: The Christian Democratic Party of the Overthrow (Greek: Χριστιανοδημοκρατικό Κόμμα Ανατροπής)
Italy: Christian Democracy (Italian: Democrazia Cristiana, DC)
Austria: The Austrian People's Party (German: Österreichische Volkspartei, ÖVP)
Sweden: The Christian Democrats (Swedish: Kristdemokraterna, KD)
Portugal: The CDS – People's Party (Portuguese: CDS – Partido Popular, derived from Centro Democrático e Social – Partido Popular, CDS-PP)
Netherlands: The Christian Democratic Appeal (Dutch: Christen-Democratisch Appèl)


And the best at the end:

Germany, Angela Merkel's party

The Christian Democratic Union of Germany (German: Christlich Demokratische Union Deutschlands, CDU)


Ban me, I will come back and post it over and over again. I have copied and pasted it. It's just a few clicks.

Now this is nicely done. Pure class.

SiestaFiesta:


No, it doesn't.

""Be subject for the Lord's sake to every human institution, whether it be to the emperor as supreme, or to governors as sent by him to punish those who do evil and to praise those who do good."

TV01:
I already told you, I am non-partisan and don't really care who rules politically. But that doesn't mean I willfully break duly constituted laws or refuse to recognise whoever is elected.

TV

SiestaFiesta:


How about you read up on what propaganda is? People like you fall for it very easily.



So what if they are? Are other nationalities not committing crimes? Are natives not committing crimes? More of them than not have been peacefully co-existing with Europeans for decades. This is the reality.

Yet, I'm not the one who brainlessly spouts everything the media feeds. Isn't it left-wingy to label everyone racist who calls out the refugee problem for what is?


The problem is the foolish massive importation of citizen and ambassadors of another culture to another location. What do you think would happen if 2million Nigerians are moved to Germany at a single point in time?

Timbuktou:


Yet, I'm not the one who brainlessly spouts everything the media feeds. Isn't it left-wingy to label everyone racist who calls out the refugee problem for what is?

It's wrong to call people racist for pointing out the problems that result from uncontrolled immigration. I am with you on this one.

The problem is the foolish massive importation of citizen and ambassadors of another culture to another location. What do you think would happen if 2million Nigerians are moved to Germany at a single point in time?

I would love it.

SiestaFiesta:


They have just taken in millions of destitute war refugees.

Matthew 25:35-40

35 For I was hungry and you gave me something to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me something to drink, I was a stranger and you invited me in, 36 I needed clothes and you clothed me, I was sick and you looked after me, I was in prison and you came to visit me.’

37 “Then the righteous will answer him, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry and feed you, or thirsty and give you something to drink? 38 When did we see you a stranger and invite you in, or needing clothes and clothe you? 39 When did we see you sick or in prison and go to visit you?’

40 “The King will reply, ‘Truly I tell you, whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers and sisters of mine, you did for me.’

And they did this because the bible said so, or due to their population deficit .
Or was it due to their failure to fulfill the first commandment "go forth and multiply", or because they are an ageing nation

SiestaFiesta:


Have you watched CNN or BBC tonight?

The people in Munich opened their doors to people who got stranded after the KILLING SPREE - not a Muslim terrorist attack - because streets were locked up and public transport stopped working even though the police at that time were still thinking that there was more than one perpetrator.

Could you do it at the risk that one of these perpetrators would enter your home?

Of course not, you would be directed by fear and not by faith. Hypocrite!

You know not what I can do, or have done. Fish away
And the 84+ in Nice? And those axe-attacked by the Afghan (housed by a German family)?


TV

SiestaFiesta:


"Religion played a key role in Angela Merkel's migration to East Germany. Her father was born a Catholic, but the Kasner family eventually converted to Lutheranism,[24] and he studied Lutheran theology in Heidelberg and afterwards in Hamburg. In 1954, Angela's father received a pastorate at the church in Quitzow (a quarter of Perleberg in Brandenburg), which was then in East Germany, and so the family moved to Templin. Merkel thus grew up in the countryside 80 km (50 mi) north of East Berlin."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Angela_Merkel#Early_life_and_education



Merkel is a Christian and her father was a pastor.


"The CDU applying the principles of Christian democracy and emphasising the "Christian understanding of humans and their responsibility toward God."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_Democratic_Union_of_Germany#Party_platform

Hot! Hot!! Hot!!!! You should be banned more girl.. You have come back like katniss in the hunger games.

TV01:

And they did this because the bible said so, or due to their population deficit .
Or was it due to their failure to fulfill the first commandment "go forth and multiply", or because they are an ageing nation

They did because it is in their Constitution to offer help to refugees and the Constitution is very much based on Christian values.
And since they are an aging society, it's a win-win situation.

You know not what I can do, or have done. Fish away
And the 84+ in Nice? And those axe-attacked by the Afghan (housed by a German family)?

Not reason enough to condemn all Muslims and violate the Constitution.

Moreover, there have been radically motivated attacks for decades now - long before the refugee crisis erupted - and not only committed by Islamist but also by right-wing extremists and left-wing extremists.

Some of these groups represent your views.

shaybebaby:

Hot! Hot!! Hot!!!! You should be banned more girl.. You have come back like katniss in the hunger games.

I have just begun. It was a warm-up.

shaybebaby:

Now this is nicely done. Pure class.

Thank you!

Free education is my service to mankind.

I have to share the privileges I was fortunate to enjoy.

He quotes the bible, she quotes the bible and he resorts to bragging about "marital bliss" rather than refute with facts or something else. If this was a publicised debate, the masses would be chanting "finish him".
Siesta fiesta, you could be male and I'd still say the same, damn you are good. Bet your essays and dissertations got top marks.

shaybebaby:
He quotes the bible, she quotes the bible and he resorts to bragging about "marital bliss" rather than refute with facts or something else. If this was a publicised debate, the masses would be chanting "finish him".
Siesta fiesta, you could be male and I'd still say the same, damn you are good. Bet your essays and dissertations got top marks.

ROFL @ bragging about marital bliss

He even asked us if we have the power to create beautiful children?

Even alcoholics and junkies have the power to make and give birth to cute babies.

I have a top mark university degree. Thanks to my mama and daddy who never told that I am limited by my gender but constantly told that there is nothing I cannot have.

Will TV's daughter be told the same?
Poor girl!

SiestaFiesta:


Thank you!

Free education is my service to mankind.

I have to share the privileges I was fortunate to enjoy.

Now I CAN tell that you were educated in the west because of the way you present your arguments with references..from more than one source.
TV01, you see why I said your utterances give you away? Not just the content but the manner of delivery.
No way you would have passed through the system here and critical thinking would not have been distilled into you.
Lmao!
I'm a just sit here and cheerlead this lady here.

SiestaFiesta:


ROFL @ bragging about marital bliss

He even asked us if we have the power to create beautiful children?

Even alcoholics and junkies have the power to make and give birth to cute babies.

I have a top mark university degree. Thanks to my mama and daddy who never told that I am limited by my gender but constantly told that there is nothing I cannot have.

Will TV's daughter be told the same?
Poor girl!

Nope she won't and I hope she finds the strength to fulfil her dreams whatever they are inspite of him.
I am grateful to your parents, they have done a job and given this world one more beautiful soul. You owe it to the world to have children and pass it on to them.. Heck!you owe me
I have a beautiful child, I try to instil the same and my hope is that he meets similar people on HIS journey through life.
TV Wetin be your mark for school?

shaybebaby:

Now I CAN tell that you were educated in the west because of the way you present your arguments with references..from more than one source.
TV01, you see why I said your utterances give you away? Not just the content but the manner of delivery.
No way you would have passed through the system here and critical thinking would not have been distilled into you.
Lmao!
I'm a just sit here and cheerlead this lady here.

I was and I have had the pleasure to live in several countries; quality education and exposure combined.

They should thank me for sharing it with them instead they come here to embarrass themselves through their lack of knowledge and their over-simplified thinking in categories such as black and white. Are their brains not capable of processing complex realities?

All Muslims are fanatics. All women are emotionally incapable. All whites are racist. All Africans are poor.

shaybebaby:

Nope she won't and I hope she finds the strength to fulfil her dreams whatever they are inspite of him.
I am grateful to your parents, they have done a job and given this world one more beautiful soul. You owe it to the world to have children and pass it on to them.. Heck!you owe me
I have a beautiful child, I try to instil the same and my hope is that he meets similar people on HIS journey through life.
TV Wetin be your mark for school?

Your son will live your legacy, seek and find the people who match his intellect that he was privileged to inherit from his mom.
He is tomorrow's leader, whatever path he will choose.

SiestaFiesta:


I was and I have had the pleasure to live in several countries; quality education and exposure combined.

They should thank me for sharing it with them instead they come here to embarrass themselves through their lack of knowledge and their over-simplified thinking in categories such as black and white. Are their brains not capable of processing complex realities?

All Muslims are fanatics. All women are emotionally incapable. All whites are racist. All Africans are poor.

You don't have to tell me, it is evident. Sadly it is not a race thing, it's a problem about exposure.
Simplistic and knee jerk reaction with no thought put into it. Also arguing to prove a point without actually reflecting on each point raised.
You were asked about the shooting in Germany, it was disclosed that it wasn't racially motivated or induced by religion. Just the action of an unbalanced mind.
Now any thinking person would ask themselves " why did I automically assume it was to do terrorism, Islam a particular type of persons?"

Why is it different when it's a non-Muslim that does it?

But no! Too thick skulled to examine their beliefs against something which might lead to a different conclusion.

SiestaFiesta:


Your son will live your legacy, seek and find the people who match his intellect that he was privileged to inherit from his mom.
He is tomorrow's leader, whatever path he will choose.

Now that just nearly brought me to tears because I fear for what the future might be like when I read some people on here. But Hun, you have no idea what reading your thoughts, ideas, beliefs.. Etc does for me.
It's a reminder that there are others out who are motivated by love for themselves and for others.
The actions of the people around Munich affirms that as well.
Troubles will always come, but we can only get through it with thoughts like these which inform our actions.
Bless you fine lady, now keep schooling those who refuse to learn, reflect , reevaluate and keep learning.

TV01, come back nah. This was just getting really interesting.

shaybebaby:

You don't have to tell me, it is evident. Sadly it is not a race thing, it's a problem about exposure.
Simplistic and knee jerk reaction with no thought put into it. Also arguing to prove a point without actually reflecting on each point raised.
You were asked about the shooting in Germany, it was disclosed that it wasn't racially motivated or induced by religion. Just the action of an unbalanced mind.
Now any thinking person would ask themselves " why did I automatically assume it was to do terrorism, Islam a particular type of persons?"

Why is it different when it's a non-Muslim that does it?

But no! Too thick skulled to examine their beliefs against something which might lead to a different conclusion.

I have Arab friends and what they go through since 9/11 is absolutely unacceptable thanks to people like TV and his cohorts.

Ignorance and lack of exposure are the biggest danger to peace and safety.

Instead of mobilizing the moderate part of Muslims and uniting against any sort of extremism - be it right, left, religious or political - they would much rather have innocent people pay the price for something the are not responsible and as a result, generate more extremism by becoming extremists themselves and provoking more radical response.


I was told yesterday that I wouldn't come back on NL because Muslim terrorists attacked Germany.
Even if they had, I would still be here, speaking up for what I stand for.

You don't discriminate against people based on their religion, skin color or gender (all of which TV does). These are values shared all over Europe and yet he doesn't want to leave the European country that shares and defends these values.

shaybebaby:

Now that just nearly brought me to tears because I fear for what the future might be like when I read some people on here. But Hun, you have no idea what reading your thoughts, ideas, beliefs.. Etc does for me.
It's a reminder that there are others out who are motivated by love for themselves and for others.
The actions of the people around Munich affirms that as well.
Troubles will always come, but we can only get through it with thoughts like these which inform our actions.
Bless you fine lady, now keep schooling those who refuse to learn, reflect , reevaluate and keep learning.

Sometimes it does seem that the world is full of st.upid people who pose a danger to reason and compassion but the history of humankind has shown that reason and compassion always triumph over ignorance and hatred.

Have faith and no fear.

SiestaFiesta:


I would love it.

I asked what you thought would happen, you're answering a question you weren't asked.

So, let me rephrase. What do you think the result would be if millions of Nigerians were suddenly transported to a commune in any western European country of your choosing?

SiestaFiesta:
I was and I have had the pleasure to live in several countries; quality education and exposure combined.

Bolade005, come and see another "jonzer" 0. No matter what, or how you style you've educational background or achievements, we will never see you beyond what you contribute here. And too be honest, it's mostly low-grade canned ideology, with a mish-mash religiosity which basically says "do whatever makes you feel happy".

You've been repeatedly exposed as an inveterate liar, amoral and singularly devoid of an original thought or ability to think tangentially. In fact, revealing more of the "real you" off NL will only confirm what I've written, hence your being so tight-lipped, and hateful of those who are happy to present their reality

SiestaFiesta:
They should thank me for sharing it with them instead they come here to embarrass themselves through their lack of knowledge and their over-simplified thinking in categories such as black and white. Are their brains not capable of processing complex realities?

Lack of knowledge , complex realities . Right;
Like Germany welcoming millions of refugees whose religion and culture are at best inimical to their host' culture and traditions
Like the dream of anyone being able to settle anywhere, at anytime and do anything is not absurdly reductionist?
Like actualising that will not require jihadi-type action - like Hillary Clinton' as previously posted - to achieve?

SiestaFiesta:
All Muslims are fanatics. All women are emotionally incapable. All whites are racist. All Africans are poor.

1.
Islam as a socio-political & religious creed is totalitarian, expansionist and supremacist. Any other creed, ideology or, mode of governance which does not readily submit will ultimately be warred against.

Islam demands an imposition of sharia law and fealty to the recognised caliphate. All muslims do not have to be fanatics. The creed itself is fanatical. A few simply have to follow it to it's logical course - via it's scriptures or historical trajectory. Any muslim who does not deep down ascribe and desire sharia is actually an apostate. Ask your friends amongst them .

We've seen that in the West. In NY, London, Paris, Brussels, Orlando. It's real in Nigeria, Kenya, and other African countries with no hint of Western involvement.

We see it in open terrorist acts, sexual enslavement of young non-moslem women, infiltrating the educational system and the imposition of a parallel court systems, and vigilante activity on our streets. Be blind to all of this if you choose and concern yourself with Islamophobia. Has one person been harmed - in the West at least - as a result of any of this?

2.
Women are not as emotionally capable, or as well equipped as men when it comes to leadership - especially leadership under stress. It's down to basic biology and wiring. I can't offer you any succour if that reality does not sit easily with you . Take a straw poll of men the majority will agree. Indeed, most in relationships will experience all the time Likewise women. Indeed, most women secretly dread or hate having female bosses. And they hate being with men who cannot lead. And IO donlt mena in choosing soft furnishings 0 !

Does that mean women should not be given opportunity? Or that a some may be able to make the breakthrough? No. Men are just naturally and relatively better, and better equippped. No vex huh .

3.
Racism. The bible, nor I, see men as anything other than descendants of Adam. One blood - Acts 7. I never post or posit based on the construct called race. Personally, I was nannied with a white family soon after birth, I have had more relationships with non-blacks, and I have a number - i.e. many white relatives - by marriage and by blood. Anyway, you have but 3 strategems, lies, ad-hominem, or diversion. And atimes you artfully meld 2 or more. We see you

4.
That's your gig - every question challenging gender dynamics, morality, religion, events, or politics in Europe is met by your stock response, no light in Nigeria, ergo whatever obtains in the West is better . Your self-loathing (of your black heritage), and clumsy efforts to distance yourself, or outrightly reject it are legendary. It's why you find such a ready ally in Crybaby .


There are many of you on this board - jonzing for medals . Claiming fine, educated, exposed, enlightened. Usually claiming educated when they are not fine , or enlightened when they've made a hash of their personal lives.

Your response - as I've noted quite frequently - lack real nuance, and often don't even directly address questions. A subscription to Bild and watching the late night news doesn't make you a political analyst or foreign affairs expert. The less said about your grasp of scripture the better .


If you can respond cogently to just point 1. above, and not resort to any of your 3 strategems, I will de-activate this night


Ma ruggedies, ekú weekend. We'll speak during the week if not before


TV

Timbuktou:


I asked what you thought would happen, you're answering a question you weren't asked.

So, let me rephrase. What do you think the result would be if millions of Nigerians were suddenly transported to a commune in any western European country of your choosing?

The question is why they would need transporting in the first instance? That would then determine the sentiment behind their migration.