johnydon22:
I want to know your reasons for this?

I do not think i included resurrection but this is still a good perspective. . . anyway address the first question above bro..

Let me also add another for this ressurrection theory.

-If we die we die and when we resurrect every part of us becomes replaced and the processes responsible for our consciousness starts again thus birthing that our initial conscious self again?



Belief in afterlife can be independent of God(s) existing or orchestrating the circle, so from which ever angle you derive your basis for a belief you can discuss from there but it's not a benchmark that defines the totality of such belief.

So we need not assume God in the picture to infer an afterlife that possibly would digress.

But you may also present an argument from any direction or belief.

johnydon22:


Since there is no way to ascertain or measure such a thing as you have shown - then how exactly would you come out and assert that such a thing is.

If it is not measurable or proveable, then there is no way you can ever know of such a thing.

johnydon22:
I remember of a quote that says "Hurt me with the truth, never comfort me with a lie" so is it rational to always lie to ourselves just to derive comfort...

[even though i don't find death any bad as people who fear it does- lets leave it for now]



So what ever makes us feel good is rational to concieve even though it is a lie?

malvisguy212:
I will take my chance, I believe in God, and I believe in every word He say, plus thousand of testimonies concerning the afterlife!

onetrack:


Depends on if the negative consequences of believing a lie are greater than the benefits. In any case, life after death cannot be disproven so I don't think that it can be considered necessarily a lie. I would absolutely argue that believing a lie can be better in some cases than dealing with the truth. Someone in a very fragile mental state, for example, might not be told the truth about something because the consequences would be extremely negative for that person.

malvisguy212:
I will take my chance, I believe in God, and I believe in every word He say, plus thousand of testimonies concerning the afterlife!

dorox:


One of the reasons why I don't believe that a part of us, that is the immortal soul go on living after we die is because of free will.
Because if you really think about it, you will realise that the ability to choose to continue living or to end ones life irrespective of the condition of the person, be it favourable or unfavourable is the simplest and most fundamental way one can express free will.
Immortality of the soul denies us of that.

Your description of resurrection is basically correct, that is why Jesus likened the process to waking up from sleep.
Only those who are stored in God's memory, or have their name written in the book of life as the bible put it will be resurrected.

lordnicklaus:


If that is the case, then it means brain signals of people long dead are still wavering around the planet.

Being a theist, my view is quite different from other theists as regards the "after-life" but that would be another discussion. So, as regards the after-life, I must admit, it would be impossible for me to give a precise formular to its workings. I have just learnt to accept things the way they are. When I am dead, which is inevitable, then I can deduce the "way of the afterlife" but for now, I remain an ignorant infant.

lordnicklaus:



I think what ifenes is trying to say is that for there to be an afterlife, it should be in a dimension in which time is not a necessity and thus "death" which works under "cause and effect" is not functional. This would be "infinitesimal" as aging is a cause of time. So the afterlife which is meant to be a transition from death would therefore exist in a plane in which time is "nothing".

johnydon22:


I do not think lack of freewill necessarily prohibits the existence of an immortal soul.

johnydon22:


Oh good points so in this case you recommmend what the Church call Pius fraud

Personally to me our progress should be measured by the sincerity of our questions and the depth of our answers and our willingness to agree with what is true rather than what feels good

dorox:


Could you tell me why you think that having an immortal soul does not rob one of freewill?

KingEbukasBlog:


If man had the desire to live forever to enjoy there wouldn't be a place of torment . There are other concepts of afterlife where there is total destruction of the soul - annihilationism .

onetrack:
I agree; I'd rather know the harsh true than be told a pleasant lie, but not everybody is strong enough to deal with that and as long as they don't hurt themselves or others, I would say that the rational thing to do is to let them believe their comforting lie.

johnydon22:


Nope this isn't what i meant - i meant "Not having freewill does not negate the possibility of an immortal soul"

in order words.

An immortal soul can exist whether it has freewill or not...

Seun:
Which God are you taking a chance on, and what is your reason for taking a chance on that particular God rather than the many other Gods??

malvisguy212:
here in kaduna, I witness a man who was kill for refusing to deny jesus. There are many testimonies of this same issue. Why will this people choose to die for there faith if there is no afterlife?

johnydon22:
Ok let me start with the foundations that led to opening this up on nairaland.

Last week i was invited for a discussion by Menesheh held by a group "Thinkers Pub".

It held last thursday at Golden toast fast food Enugu, i went to the discussion and as you may have guessed the discussion was based on the topic.

Is it rational to believe in afterlife?

It was a very hot discussion filled with brilliant minds and tactful fun filled intellectuals, it was also like a battle of friendly debate between the sides and intellectually stimulating.

After the debate i found out after getting acquainted with the host and leader of the group that that he was once a well known nairalander on this board.

MrAnony1

we had personal arguments on our own i and Anony alongside menesheh after the group discussion and it was fun all the way.

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Now the healthy fun filled warm and intellectually rich atmosphere of the live debate led me to opening this up here.

Is it rational to believe in afterlife?

If yes state your reasons

If no also state your reasons

We are also allowed on this discussion to attack each other's points but never with insults or attacking each other's personality.

Let's keep it a friendly and fun debate.

Cc. Lordniklaus, dorox, misogynist, Uyilredia, PastorAIO, Loj, donnffd, cloudgoddess, joywendy, jackbizzle, davien, pr0ton, Ranchhoddas, frank317, SirWere, 4kings, Joseph1013, Reyginus, HCpaul, seun, lalasticlala.

everyone is welcome to the discussion... the floor is open.

Seun:
People accept death because they believe in the afterlife, but that doesn't make it true. Many Jehovah's witnesses have died for their faith. Many ISIS and Al Qaeda and Boko Haram suicide bombers and fighters have chosen to die for their faith, too. That doesn't mean they're right.

malvisguy212:
here in kaduna, I witness a man who was kill for refusing to deny jesus. There are many testimonies of this same issue. Why will this people choose to die for there faith if there is no afterlife ?

2 timothy 4:7-8
I have fought the good fight, I have finished
the race, I have kept the faith. 8 Now there is in store for me the crown of righteousness, which the Lord, the righteous Judge, will award to me on that day—and not only to me, but also to all who have longed for his appearing.

Why will they choose to die ?

johnydon22:
Nope your brain dies with you, the idea is to somehow reactivate the brain through mechanical means this time and not biological to recover the functions and firings again.



what if when you die and it means just that - dead

malvisguy212:
isis and boko haram are different from what we are saying here. This terrorists did not die for their faith, they die suicide death which is ENTIRLY different from what we are discussing, suicide is not the same as dying for your faith.

malvisguy212:
here in kaduna, I witness a man who was kill for refusing to deny jesus. There are many testimonies of this same issue. Why will this people choose to die for there faith if there is no afterlife ?

Seun:
People accept death because they believe in the afterlife, but that doesn't make it true. Many Jehovah's witnesses have died for their faith. Many ISIS and Al Qaeda and Boko Haram suicide bombers and fighters have chosen to die for their faith, too. That doesn't mean they're right.

joseph1013:




"All the martyrs in the history of the world are not sufficient to establish the correctness of an opinion. Martyrdom, as a rule, establishes the sincerity of the martyr, — never the correctness of his thought. Things are true or false in themselves. Truth cannot be affected by opinions; it cannot be changed, established, or affected by martyrdom. An error cannot be believed sincerely enough to make it a truth."
~ Robert Green Ingersoll.

malvisguy212:
Trash!!! And the eyewitness who were martyr, They purposely choose death ?

malvisguy212:
Trash!!! And the eyewitness who were martyr, They purposely choose death ?

youngestland:


taaa please stop it how can you say half of the people on earth have experience supernatural event
please lets use nairaland as a yardstick out of 1 million only about 100,000 has experience that abeg

Seun:
Comforting lies are generally harmful, and the belief in the afterlife is no exception. False beliefs lead to bad decisions, which are harmful. Mortality isn't a particularly harsh truth. Even young children can handle it: "one day you'll go to sleep and never wake up." What's the big deal?

Seun:
People accept death because they believe in the afterlife, but that doesn't make it true. Many Jehovah's witnesses have died for their faith. Many ISIS and Al Qaeda and Boko Haram suicide bombers and fighters have chosen to die for their faith, too. That doesn't mean they're right.