Obakillah:


I will do so in ukurewe island once I flick of my candle. Goodnight.

coz ukurewe in Turkana have no electricity.

MOSHI TOWN IN TZ

OLD MOSHI CONT

Obakillah:


I will do so in ukurewe island once I flick of my candle. Goodnight.

Hohohohoho

Kukuru kakara kuku katika kuti kuu kuu

Translate that

Kazikazi:
Hohohohoho

Kukuru kakara kuku katika kuti kuu kuu

Translate that

It's lights out in ukurewe island how can I translate when I can barely see the keyboard? Tomorrow with the power of the sun I will be ready with my kamusi. Goodnight.

YOU CAN SEE MT KILIMANJARO FROM MOSHI TOWN.

i have never really understood the hatred between Kenyans and Tanzanians, this thing f.vcks with me! as a luo man my community straddles both countries and whenever am in Tanzania i get nothing but love, i can't tell you how many times i have toyed with the idea of taking up a Tanzanian citizenship, people who don't understand our shared heritage are the ones always yapping Kenya this Tanzania that, guys stop planting seeds of discord amongst us communities with presence in both of these countries such as maasai and luos. where do you expect us to stand and that guy who is claiming to be Tanzanian, i mean come on, even I who ain't Tanzanian can see that you are not Tanzanian, i have always meant to ask you guys this, what do you get out of this useless arguments? if its a debate about devt indices however you like but do it with civility and humility, its not a must you defend your country even though its flaws are everywhere to be seen, as for me, i will always consider myself a citizen of the greater east Africa, my people are DRC,S SUDAN ETHIOPIA,UGANDA,KENYA and TANZANIA. So any development in any of these countries excites me, let promote integration and not disintegration. and please stop sharing photos of those starving turkanas, you are not helping matters, its not their fault that they are hungry and suffering but a dysfunctional system which the Kenyans do not want to accept.

Jonraid:
We can talk about money ritual practices in Nigeria.Let me tell you,the pictures of your folks holding other people's freshly cut off heads are so so out of this world!

Pls go ahead. It doesn't phase me

cossano:
i have never really understood the hatred between Kenyans and Tanzanians, this thing f.vcks with me! as a luo man my community straddles both countries and whenever am in Tanzania i get nothing but love, i can't tell you how many times i have toyed with the idea of taking up a Tanzanian citizenship, people who don't understand our shared heritage are the ones always yapping Kenya this Tanzania that, guys stop planting seeds of discord amongst us communities with presence in both of these countries such as maasai and luos. where do you expect us to stand and that guy who is claiming to be Tanzanian, i mean come on, even I who ain't Tanzanian can see that you are not Tanzanian, i have always meant to ask you guys this, what do you get out of this useless arguments? if its a debate about devt indices however you like but do it with civility and humility, its not a must you defend your country even though its flaws are everywhere to be seen, as for me, i will always consider myself a citizen of the greater east Africa, my people are DRC,S SUDAN ETHIOPIA,UGANDA,KENYA and TANZANIA. So any development in any of these countries excites me, let promote integration and not disintegration. and please stop sharing photos of those starving turkanas, you are not helping matters, its not their fault that they are hungry and suffering but a dysfunctional system which the Kenyans do not want to accept.

This is one of the few reasonable people here. I agree with everything that you have said. My only pledge it's that more awareness is put on my Tanzanian brothers here in Mwanza who are suffering even worse than those turkanas in Kenya. The helpless people of Tanzania have been neglected for far too long.

tylann:



Taahira arguing with emotions
Everyone is lending Kenya money because Kenya is able to repay we have never defaulted on loan payment and we have never borrowed to pay salaries like Nigeria

World bank has already approved a loan to Kenya
China is funding construction of superhighways in Nairobi
Chinese companies are investing in konza city

Yeah I know taahira . You like deceiving yourself

Your konza city is dead and buried never to rise again and your debt has been a created problem btw kenya and china due to unpaid accumulated debt.
Go and borrow money so you can invest in sense

obaaderemi:
How did they even allow that to happen? This Tonyebarcanista's thread has seriously shown Kenya as arguably Africa's most corrupt country.

Their sgr is a failure. All the borrowed billions pushed into it and it can't handle the desired cargo with which it was intended to carry

Mkenya2019:
Nobody can lend you serious money with your revenues. Kenya in last two weeks - got 2B dollars from Eurobond - and WB gave us another 1B dollars - we just ask and we get - because we have total revenues of 21B dollars annual.

Your revenue to debt servicing is 70%. Kenya is around 30%. Fake GDP cannot be banked in gov coffers and used to pay debts. What pay debt is taxes collected by FIRS. Your federal gov total budget is less than kenya. Lets not talk about Nigeria 36 states that are eye-balled with debts - those are already choked death - and paying salaries and pensions - is a monthly struggle.

Kenya debt management is robust. Our macro-economics solid. Save for few years in 90s - our public financial management is PRUDENT.

And we have never had a debt crisis - like you had - when you had to seek forgiveness of many loans.
Focus on DEBT SERVICING TO REVENUE. Not DEBT TO COOKED GDP.

You are beginning to cry vice president of taahira .
Tell me where was your "WE JUST ASK AND WW GET" HUH

cossano:
i have never really understood the hatred between Kenyans and Tanzanians, this thing f.vcks with me! as a luo man my community straddles both countries and whenever am in Tanzania i get nothing but love, i can't tell you how many times i have toyed with the idea of taking up a Tanzanian citizenship, people who don't understand our shared heritage are the ones always yapping Kenya this Tanzania that, guys stop planting seeds of discord amongst us communities with presence in both of these countries such as maasai and luos. where do you expect us to stand and that guy who is claiming to be Tanzanian, i mean come on, even I who ain't Tanzanian can see that you are not Tanzanian, i have always meant to ask you guys this, what do you get out of this useless arguments? if its a debate about devt indices however you like but do it with civility and humility, its not a must you defend your country even though its flaws are everywhere to be seen, as for me, i will always consider myself a citizen of the greater east Africa, my people are DRC,S SUDAN ETHIOPIA,UGANDA,KENYA and TANZANIA. So any development in any of these countries excites me, let promote integration and not disintegration. and please stop sharing photos of those starving turkanas, you are not helping matters, its not their fault that they are hungry and suffering but a dysfunctional system which the Kenyans do not want to accept.

True the turkana image are appalling and should not be posted, but your brothers leave us no choice

Mkenya2019:
Typical. You'll still remain the scum of earth just like your country. Now slowpoke - move on - I got better things to do with my time. I only deal with Issues..not personalities and adhominem.

Finally the fool backs off.
Obaderemiyou did a good job .
You hit him.where it hurts the most

Mkenya2019:
Comparing kenya and TZ - is like comparing Kenya and Nigeria. It's like day and night.

TZ went Ethiopia way - they went for Class 2 - electrified railway. Ethiopia have been in operation for 3-4yrs and it's huge mess. Their electric trains stall mid-way every often because of erratic power supply. They are still one one or two trains from Addis to Djiboutti. It has no hope of repaying the loan...and they already asked Chinese for debt relief..they were given more time to repay.

Now Kenya has - again - some of the most QUALIFIED engineers, architect and designers - and policy wonks - you can think about.

We thought about all those issues. And we settled for Class 1 (heavy load) railway that is diesel-run - but with an option to electrify in the future - and the results - Kenya SGR is about to break even. We are doing 4 passengers trains and 28 cargo trains - 1 year in operations. In exactly 2yrs operations - Kenya has already surpassed it's 5th year projection.

Now Ethiopia is generally better in decision making than Tanzania and Nigeria.

Nigeria SGR of course is very sad story. Enough said of that.

Let try Tanzania. They are building brown-field (kenya is green-field - entirely new) electrified SGR from Dar to it's hinterland. It financed 50% by internal fund and 50% by commercial loan (CRAZY from South Africa's Stanchart bank. TZ main city is Dar - just like Nigeria - Lagos - nearly 60% of all cargo terminate at Dar. The railway will be just for transporting passengers and has no chance of in hell of breaking even in 30yrs. Unless they some minerals to ferry from the hinterland....there is little cargo that Rwanda or Burundi can do.

Tanzania is basically building the railway as competition against Kenya. They never thought through and they will of course be asking for debt forgiveness when StanChart squeeze their balls.

Kenya as always makes smart decisions. We have refused to extend the railway at China terms because it's doesn't make economic sense - China wants the railway to get to Congo - and they should fund it.

The cost variable - has been explained severally - Kenya is class 1, it's also green-field, it also include rolling stock, has several animal corridors - and when all that is factored it's competitively priced

Ugandans did comparison of the 3 - and choose the kenyan one.

Here is Uganda comparison...Kenya vs Tanzania vs Ethiopa.

https://www.sgr.go.ug/sites/default/files/downloads/SGR_comparison_of_Kenya_Tanzania_Ethiopia_Uganda.pdf


https://www.theeastafrican.co.ke/business/Kampala-Addis-Ababa-rail-lines-costs/2560-3815786-rbewuez/index.html

OPONU.
No one listen to your cry anymore.
I know you are pained but let me add to it so next time you would think thoroughly before picking a topic that would affect you. YOU SGR IS A MASSIVE FAILURE AND A DISGRACE THAT CAN'T PERFORM IT'S FUNCTION PROPERLY DESPITE THE HEAVY RECKLESS LOAN YOUR GOVT ASSUMED

Mkenya2019:
Just when we thought we had seen the dumbest of them all - here he re-appears. As far as we know Nairobi-MSA has been operational for 2yrs now. Nairobi - Naivasha is 95% complete and will be operational before end of the year. I think what is pending is Dry Port in Naivasha - where Uganda and others will pick their cargo.

It running on loss remember

Mkenya2019:
Kenya SGR - not crappy looking Nigeria SGR

Hahaha. Are you consoling yourself from all the beating you collect.
Anyway go and thank your star that I was not present to add to it

Mkenya2019:
Less than you're loosing.Business start from loosing money...then they break even..and they turn profitable..Don't me blame for your poor education. In any case if it never break even we have Railway Dev Plan with levy on every import and if that doesn't work we will pay off our treasury coffers

Pls shut up and tell those voted best sgr in the world to carry it's appropriate cargo in full.
What a failure and massive waste of borrow loan waiting to return you to colonial era

tylann:


Which 18 years
Are you normal ??

Emotions

jaycent:
What about the Eyimba and bayelsa project. Have they started the project

Yes .early this year

obaaderemi:
Their GDP is max $50bn. We already analyzed that.

Are you sure it not $40bn cos they are living large on debt.

Where is that tylann that is so desperate for his debt capital country to hit 3-figures.
Taahira boy when you convert sh10trn to USD it give $98b not $100bn. I know you want to joins the big guys with triple figures before nine zeros, but sorry not this year- try next year let's see taahirA

Mkenya2019:
You have deteriorated like anything Nigerian eventually does.You began with at least two functional brain cells and some self respect..now you're no different from problemkid or samrobo.You just heckle, make arguments devoid of any logic or soundness and now the only arsenal left is misusing Seun forum moderatorship to silence us.What a shame.Nigeria is sinking down coz of characters like you.This thread is an eye opener to understand the irony of hydrocarbon rich Nigerians with 140m poor people.

This one is pained I can tell . I wish I could see the look on your face.
Vice president of taahira go and cry properly but not with my name this time

Mkenya2019:
We are waiting for Africa free trade and we can work closely with Ghana to bridge the west and east divide.Nobody in Kenya has issues with Ghana.Nigerians and Cameroon have earned bad reputation.One famous Ghanian-Kenyan is Patrick Quarco.He probably can win a political seat if he wanted.

Mkenya2019:
Which insults.There are people who dish out base insults everyday.In fact if you clean them out I would start by addressing you as HIS Eminent the most intelligent Nigerian in Nairalabd.Your utility here really is there..clean this board of base insults....sound argumentation is beyond your paygrade.Leave it Vax, Kikuyu and such kind of folks..and do your job cleaning the Nigerians miscreants around here shouting pidgin nonsense. Kenya is doing great...just pick any indicator..if you told me this in 90s..I would heartily agree..but now?

So much tears. What a greatly indebted country

tylann:


We have learnt nothing but your stupidity
Nothing else

Painment and now emotion.
Next time you want to analyse a topic first check your country .
Easy taahira

Kazikazi:
Are u a Tanzanian?

Hohohohoho...

Do u know Tz produces tea too?
Do u know we do produce coffee?
Do u know Kenya is a starving nation

He is a kenyan not a Tanzanian. Don't fall for his tricks

Obakillah:


I am Tanzanian and I know what stuffs we produce. I am also aware of malnutrition plaguing my country. Instead of screaming Kenya all the time we should focus more on the problems facing our people like bad leadership.

Oga you are a kenyan.
Your tactics is very silly and boring. Trust me your claims does not hold water

Obakillah:


Is this a literature class? This the problem with my people. We are always deflect issues. How will this help my people back in Mwanza?

Just communicate back to him in the same language he used in communicating with, I mean the ones kenyans won't understand

samorobo:


Oga you are a kenyan.
Your tactics is very silly and boring. Trust me your claims does not hold water

I am Tanzanian from ukurewe. Are you Tanzanian if I may ask? Do I have to worship Magufuli to to be considered a Tanzanian? My country is not like Nigeria. Even if I get locked up I have a duty to all poor people in Tanzania. They voices of the masses must be heard.

samorobo:


Just communicate back to him in the same language he used in communicating with, I mean the ones kenyans won't understand

I have no fear of communicating in Swahili.I proved myself already. Sawa kaka?

samorobo:


Emotions

You are very emotional, I can tell and am new. In Tanzania we call people like yourself chapati mayai!

Obakillah:


It looks a lot like ukurewe to be honest. All we have their is fish and seaweed.

You are Kenyan. So desperate.
It only a matter if time before i decipher your true kenyan identity; I mean your actual here in nairaland.

Evidence 1 : why call yourself OBAKILLAH which would sound the same as OBA KILLER. I think I am beginning to guess who this is. You are definitely one of those kenyans that has had a harsh encounter with obaderemi be it yesterday or other days. I have just narrowed the names down to 2. I will watch your comment closely to finalise observation.