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Re: Atheism Is Dying! Currently On Life Support! by Tellemall: 6:42am On Nov 19, 2016 |
akintom: Smh. Get to meet real scientists and stop your pseudo-educated babble. Science is education. Everybody is educated. Until you understand that your mental limitations will keep dragging you into gullibile assumptions about theists who have contributed to the science you so much revere, you will continue to post like you've just done. 4 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Atheism Is Dying! Currently On Life Support! by Tellemall: 6:44am On Nov 19, 2016 |
akintom: Smh. Get to meet real scientists and stop your pseudo-educated babble. Science is education. Everybody is educated. Until you understand that your mental limitations will keep dragging you into gullibile assumptions about theists who have contributed to the science you so much revere, you will continue to post like you've just done. Good bye. Your atheistic ideas aren't sound when they are put under scrutiny. This is my last ever post on anything religious that has to do with pseudo-educated blacks that claim to be atheists. For example, you. You're mentally retrogressive. 4 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Atheism Is Dying! Currently On Life Support! by Nobody: 7:04am On Nov 19, 2016 |
KingEbukasBlog:Whatever |
Re: Atheism Is Dying! Currently On Life Support! by Nobody: 7:51am On Nov 19, 2016 |
KingEbukasBlog: Lies! I myself is not angry at any God. But bros wait! What is God? And how does Yahweh fit to be called God? |
Re: Atheism Is Dying! Currently On Life Support! by akintom(m): 8:04am On Nov 19, 2016 |
Tellemall: Oh oh oh... Too bad for you. It's the usual path of fizzling out for your likes. You're as ignorant as the very idea, that created your amoebic God concept. |
Re: Atheism Is Dying! Currently On Life Support! by akintom(m): 8:14am On Nov 19, 2016 |
Tellemall: You're simply disgusted, because you're disappointed that all your craps, have been dumped where they rightly belong - illusion waste basket. |
Re: Atheism Is Dying! Currently On Life Support! by LiberaDeus: 8:49am On Nov 19, 2016 |
Tellemall: Let me address your points one by one 1.The deeper you go into science the more you find that religions have the most ridiculous concepts of god. The best belief of god one can have when going into science is the belief in a deistic non interfering god, thats the only belief that makes sense. The anthropomorphic personal god that most religions believe in is a joke and source of scorn in scientific circles. 2. I dont think all the people in the western world are atheists in fact the USA has a religious population percentage of 80%, but in the western world, the deeper you go into science the less likely the retention of your religious beliefs. Please help yourself and google religious belief amongst western scientists and see the discrepancy and diversion from mainstream percentages. The western world didnt unravel any mystery of god instead they unraveled natural phenomena that were usually ascribed to the interference of a deity and they have done it on a much larger scale than we have thats why they are less superstitious and more atheistic than us. But they are in no way totally free from the scourge of religion even though they are just a few decades away from total religious anninhilation. 3. You said science is physical and religion is metaphysical but you fail to understand one thing which is the fact that the metaphysical science paved way for the physical sciences. The physical sciences have replaced almost all branches of metaphysics. Philosophy led to logic and logic to mathematics etc. The only remaining discipline in metaphysics is philosophy, all the rest have been replaced by the physical observable sciences. Who uses metaphysics to cure diseases when you have modern medicine and biology, who uses metaphysics to predict famine and prosperity when you have modern day macroeconomics and microeconomics, who uses metaphysics to aid movement when you have newtonian physics/mechanics. Please tell me who depends on metaphysics. Its only religious people that cant see that metaphysics has evolved into a more advanced and productive specie which is modern science. 4. Science is a discipline that involves bringing hypothesis, testing with experiments, discarding the failed hypothesis and promoting the successful ones to scientific theories which have been proven to be very useful in making the world a better place with technology that we could only dream of a century ago. Everything is attainable to all men when they invest their time. Science wasnt created to disprove god but it accidentally stumbled upon facts that debunked ancient religious beliefs. Thats why many inventors of the middle ages were catholic priests, that was at the infancy of science when it had not yet debunked every claim in the holy books, unfortunately for religion, science has grown so much that it has debunked most religious claims using its sub fields like archaeology, chemistry, history, astronomy, physics etc and thats why you find a higher percentage of atheistic sciences now than in the middle ages. Science can disprove god, you know why? Religions stupidly presented their facts in logical, theoretical, verifiable human language. If religions had stayed in the realm of meditation it would have been better for it, but due to their political power in ancient times they ventured into the real world. Now that science has grown, most of its outlandish claims like : A. Geocentric earth B. Demon theory of disease C. End time predictions E. Divine cause of weather F. Divine supernatural power of believers Have all been debunked by observable science thereby proving religion to be a lie. Science is like that cctv you install in your house to monitor your infant child but little did you know that the cctv will discover the thief that has been taking your money and jewelry. Science wasnt created to disprove religion and god but unfortunately for religion and fortunately for the world, science has debunked, disproved and rendered it so powerless in the western world. 5. You talk about atheists being stupid, lets compare stupidity. We present arguments that make you jet off in anger and you claim we are stupid. But you religious person, apart from using weak arguments that arent even arguments but appeals to emotion and blind faith you also display your stupidity in church. Now lets analyze things that you will most likely do in one months time that are definitely stupid - You will most likely be in church blabbing in gibberish syllables and calling it a heavenly language. - You will give 10% of your income with the hope that it will defend you from unnecessary financial burden and also with the hope that it will give you your desired prosperity. The funny thing is that if you were to settle down and observe you will find out that none of those claims have come true, you most likely experience financial difficulty on some bad months whether you tithe or not, your financial growth definitely will not show any spike in improvement because you tithe but because you grow in knowledge and experience of your chosen profession. - Religious people have been documented doing stupid things like; eating grass in a church service(kenya), being fooled by staged miracles, sowing their tuition fees as seeds for prosperity, committing mass suicide at the behest of their spiritual leader, receiving lashes of cane in public, being involved in suicide bombing. My brother we atheists might be dumb as you claim but we dey learn work where una dey, religion is outright stupidity. Religion is also supported by the most unreliable emotional quality we possess which is blind trust. 6. As you talked about witches, its not only witches that exist, we also have bush babys, madam skoi skoi, big foot, leprechauns, elfs etc. We believe you, are you satisfied? 4 Likes 3 Shares |
Re: Atheism Is Dying! Currently On Life Support! by felixomor: 9:35am On Nov 19, 2016 |
Tellemall: Chaiiii..... 1 Like |
Re: Atheism Is Dying! Currently On Life Support! by LiberaDeus: 10:10am On Nov 19, 2016 |
Tellemall: You religious people, do you ever stop to listen yourselves. If logic was a thread you guys would have wrapped yourselves up to the point that you would look like a mummy. Let me address your weak points. 1. Science is education, everybody is educated. I studied biology in secondary school and got an A1 in waec. Will you entrust your injured brother to me just because I learnt the basics of biology. Is education not in cadres. So in your mind there is no difference between a biology student and a cardiologist, no difference between a 100 level physics student and a career astrophysicist working for NASA, am also sure in your mind there is no difference between your friend that is a graduate of economics and a deputy governor in Nigeria's CBN, is there a difference between my sister that has a Bsc in accounting and a former registrar of ICAN, am sure there is no difference between a charge and bail lawyer and a SAN. My friend stop disgracing yourself, everyone might have some level of education but all levels of education are not the same. Coming to religion, your basic knowledge of science that doesn't debunk the bible is nothing compared to that of an astrophysicist who is certain that the universe can't be 6000 years old, your basic knowledge of history is nothing compared to that of a career historian who can document the similarities between all world religions, your basic knowledge of geography is nothing compared to that an established geologist who knows the earth can't be 6000 years old and who also knows the earth is definitely spherical not flat like your bible says. 2. Theists contributed quite alright, they still contribute today but the world is moving away from long held dogmas and beliefs in religion. This shift is strongest amongst those that observe the world [ scientists] that's why there are more atheistic scientists. But you can't grasp that simple fact. 3. Your religious ideas are so weak that they are divided into 30000 denominations and over 100 world religions. No religious belief is strong enough to be seen as the only true one. Religious beliefs are so weak that they thrive on regions and childhood brainwashing to propagate themselves. That's why most religious people inherit the religions of their parents. Atheistic beliefs are much stronger and are grounded in real observable science, history and philosophy. 4. As usual, the christard runs when he sees superior arguments. Run and watch from the sidelines cause you don't belong here. Go back to your blind faith and trust which gives you the eternal conviction that your belief is true. But know that the day you step out to examine your beliefs in the light of reason and truth, you will have no other option but to do what you just did which is run like a chicken. 1 Like |
Re: Atheism Is Dying! Currently On Life Support! by Tellemall: 6:08pm On Nov 19, 2016 |
Stop quoting. I've stopped reading quotes from this thread. I do not wish to continue further arguments. You guys(atheistic hard-pressed to reason black African contraptions and all other associated hangers-on fueled by pseudo-education and lacking the right measurements for what they hate but cannot explain, who are still feeding off the wisdom and knowledge religious people and will continue to do so until Christians redefine science and squash their stupid Hawkins inspired brainwashed state) aren't logical. Warning! You are talking to yourselves henceforth. Atheism is dying! Currently on life support! 3 Likes 2 Shares |
Re: Atheism Is Dying! Currently On Life Support! by LiberaDeus: 7:02pm On Nov 19, 2016 |
Tellemall: Yea right, no be only life support Go and rest, delusional christard bounty hunter waiting for a golden mansion in the sky while also trying to avoid a boiling pit of fire. Bye bye |
Re: Atheism Is Dying! Currently On Life Support! by akintom(m): 8:31pm On Nov 19, 2016 |
Tellemall: This is about the second time, you're announcing this your defeatist fizzling. what's it exactly that is holding you back? |
Re: Atheism Is Dying! Currently On Life Support! by KenyaMan111: 3:20am On Nov 21, 2016 |
Believe it or not, there's a significant correlation between atheism and prosperity of a country. When a country eventually comes to the realization that God isn't going to build their continent, they'll 'wake up' and take action. I hope religion magically somehow disappears from Africa, Islam specifically; Angola already banned it (Islam), I wished other African countries would follow pursuit. 1 Like |
Re: Atheism Is Dying! Currently On Life Support! by jonbellion(m): 8:57am On Nov 21, 2016 |
KenyaMan111:that's just it KimgEbukasBlog, naijadeyhia and the rest of the Apologetics for Religous Superstation and Extremism(ARSE) would never realise this 1 Like |
Re: Atheism Is Dying! Currently On Life Support! by KingEbukasBlog(m): 9:08am On Nov 21, 2016 |
KenyaMan111: jonbellion: Hilarious www.cnbc.com/2015/01/14/the-religion-of-millionaires-.html 1 Like 1 Share
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Re: Atheism Is Dying! Currently On Life Support! by akintom(m): 9:26am On Nov 21, 2016 |
KingEbukasBlog: "........... there's a significant correlation between atheism and prosperity of a country". You're always in a hurry, to spill your religious idiocy carelessly. The more a people or nation "lack believe in God idea (atheism)", in the running or administration of their lives, the more prosperous they become. Even Saudi Arabia, make huge FE via the tourism event, called haji. Their investment in the West is not guided by Koran, but pure business sense. Check out almost all the wealthy individuals, who claimed to be religious, they don't run their business on religious ideas and concepts (they are atheistic in their operations). Their identification with religion, is more or less a means of enlarging their clients base - business sense (didn't your Jesus say: the children of this world are wiser than you his followers?) |
Re: Atheism Is Dying! Currently On Life Support! by KingEbukasBlog(m): 9:43am On Nov 21, 2016 |
akintom: Your responses make no sense If there is a correlation between atheism and prosperity then Cuba , China and North Korea should have been the most prosperous in the world and atheists should own a colossal amount of wealth in the world . But facts prove that his assertions are false . Christian-dominant countries according researches are the richest in the world , Christians own 55 percent of the global wealth , and the most millionaires and billionaires in world are Christians . Meanwhile atheist countries example North Korea has about half of the country's population of 24 million lives in "extreme poverty," according to the KUNI report . That is out of 24 million North Koreans half of them - 12 million - live in abject poverty . And in Cuba , in just urban areas, there's an estimated 15% living in extreme poverty. It is just recently that China started experiencing prosperity as its poverty rate fell from 88 percent to 6.5 percent since Christians surged in the country . But its a cum hoc fallacy to claim that's China's increase in prosperity was expedited or caused by the proliferation of Christians even though it is apparent . Please learn to be incisive like me , its embarrassing that your periphrastic posts make no modicum of sense in any way or form . 2 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Atheism Is Dying! Currently On Life Support! by KenyaMan111: 10:13am On Nov 21, 2016 |
KingEbukasBlog: Simple typing error, it's the other way around. Prosperity leads to a more atheistic society. Norway, Sweden come to mind. If you don't believe me than that's fine I am not here to debate. Also Cuba is in its condition not because of of a lack of religion, but because of failures in the past. Such as Fidel Castro expelling all American businesses and switching to communism, which was a fatal move in itself. North Korea, for obvious reasons is not successful. Also what utter bullshit erroneously and randomly correlating China's success with Christianity, please refrain from making idiotic statements in the future. China switched to a more capitalist structure and began experiencing significant growth. I am not anti-religion I am just a pragmatic realist. Continue praying to 'sky daddy' he'll definitely help Africa catch up with the rest of the world. If want to really take a look at atheism benefiting society, the Soviet Union is a perfect example. More emphasis was put into scientific advancement, churches were dispelled, and unsurprisingly look what happened. They sent a man to the moon, the creation of nuclear weapons, Women's Right policies were advocated heavily. |
Re: Atheism Is Dying! Currently On Life Support! by akintom(m): 10:32am On Nov 21, 2016 |
KingEbukasBlog: It's unfortunate that your religious alignment, can't help you reason better. China, Cuba and NK are not "atheistic" nations, in the TRUE definition of atheism. There's no government in the world that is atheistic. What exists are "secular government" in different variant. The fact that you are inept in understanding the system of governance in the three reference nations, shows how pathetic, your crass illiteracy is. You're also so stupid, that you don't know that China is been recognized technically as number one best economy in the world. And for you to ascribe that to incursion of Christianity, shows your depth of descent into delusion of religion. |
Re: Atheism Is Dying! Currently On Life Support! by KenyaMan111: 10:42am On Nov 21, 2016 |
KingEbukasBlog: This is the stupidest rebuttal that I am disturbed myself replying back. Here I go, the countries that have the highest GDP historically have been majority of Christians, so it's not to surprising that the the millionaires there are Christians. United Kingdom, France, USA provide the most opportunities for people to become millionaires. Those have all been historically Christian countries. It's not Christianity that made them millionaires. idiot. |
Re: Atheism Is Dying! Currently On Life Support! by KingEbukasBlog(m): 10:50am On Nov 21, 2016 |
KenyaMan111: Please and pleases , Norway is not an atheistic society neither is Sweden . Norway is a Christian-dominant nation , the state church has now made a provision to leave the church yet over 4 million Norwegians opted to remain members . Most of the ones who left did so because they don't want to be taxed. Take a look at France after its dechristainization during the French revolution , the number of atheists sky-rocketed , and France have been prosperous for years but currently only one-third of its population are atheists - a massive decline of atheism . There are numerous french Christians but they are not involved in organized religion , same with the Muslims and other religion's adherents . That's why France is considered as one the least religious countries . They are seen as irreligious or least religious because the citizens are not involved in organized religion not that they do not believe in God . Same thing with Sweden and other countries like Netherlands and New Zealand where the irreligious are dominant . Prosperity leads to a more atheistic society - logical fallacy post hoc ergo propter hoc : this states that since event Y followed event X, event Y must have been caused by event X.therefore it is fallacious to claim that prosperity leads to a more atheistic society .The fallacy lies in coming to a conclusion that societies become more atheistic due to prosperity based solely on the order of events, rather than taking into account other factors that might rule out the connection. If want to really take a look at atheism benefiting society, the Soviet Union is a perfect example. More emphasis was put into scientific advancement, churches were dispelled, and unsurprisingly look what happened. They sent a man to the moon, the creation of nuclear weapons, Women's Right policies were advocated heavily. Soviet Union was against homosexuality and Stalin ordered that homosexuals should be imprisoned for five years with hard labour . They also abused human rights and marginalized religious people . There were close to 30 million deaths caused by the communist government of the Soviet Union due to its intolerance of religious beliefs and practices . Russia who were largely part of the Soviet Union are now a Christian-dominant nation and they still build nuclear weapons , woman right policies are still heavily advocated and they are now involved in space exploration more than ever . You are not making sense . 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Atheism Is Dying! Currently On Life Support! by KingEbukasBlog(m): 10:55am On Nov 21, 2016 |
KenyaMan111: Strawman I never said that their Christianity made them millionaires , it rebuts your earlier claim that there is a correlation between atheism and prosperity because they are prosperous and are Christians . 2 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Atheism Is Dying! Currently On Life Support! by KenyaMan111: 11:03am On Nov 21, 2016 |
KingEbukasBlog: I underestimated your stupidity, completely my fault buddy. Let's get started shall we, Norway is not a christian dominated country, please tell me where it you found that information. The numbers of atheists outnumber the theists and it's increasingly getting higher. Dechristinaziation in France led to a higher number of atheists, I need statistics, my boy, you've already proven to me you cannot be trusted with facts. I agree, Soviet Unions were harshly and strictly against homosexuality, how is that pertinent to the their advancement scientifically? Stalin was an evil dictator, yes we know. The purge happened and he practically eradicated everybody in his way, this was more so to him being a sociopathic war-monger. Russia slipped into degeneracy after the Soviet Union collapsed.
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Re: Atheism Is Dying! Currently On Life Support! by KingEbukasBlog(m): 11:04am On Nov 21, 2016 |
akintom: You are grossly ignorant , very pathetic . Countries that practice state atheism are referred to as atheist nations https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State_atheism 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Atheism Is Dying! Currently On Life Support! by KenyaMan111: 11:07am On Nov 21, 2016 |
KingEbukasBlog: Let's try again (: Christians are millionaires because they live in areas where it's more likely to become a millionaire. It wasn't Christianity that made them millionaires, if you need a more simplistic explanation , I'll be happy to give you one. |
Re: Atheism Is Dying! Currently On Life Support! by KingEbukasBlog(m): 11:15am On Nov 21, 2016 |
KenyaMan111: Ad hominems coupled with gross idiocy Let's get started shall we, Norway is not a christian dominated country, please tell me where it you found that information. The numbers of atheists outnumber the theists and it's increasingly getting higher. Provide proof that atheists outnumber theists in Norway . Please provide official numbers of the number of atheists in Norway and theists in Norway .Please be fast about it . Dechristinaziation in France led to a higher number of atheists, I need statistics, my boy, you've already proven to me you cannot be trusted with facts. Who does not know this ?? Lmao https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dechristianization_of_France_during_the_French_Revolution I agree, Soviet Unions were harshly and strictly against homosexuality, how is that pertinent to the their advancement scientifically? Stalin was an evil dictator, yes we know. The purge happened and he practically eradicated everybody in his way, this was more so to him being a sociopathic war-monger. Russia slipped into degeneracy after the Soviet Union collapsed. And how does this refute the fact that 30 million people died in the Soviet Union and millions still died after Stalin left . Soviet Union was a union of republics which Russia is part of This one has to be very thick . 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Atheism Is Dying! Currently On Life Support! by damogul: 11:16am On Nov 21, 2016 |
KingEbukasBlog: Extremely thick bro. 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Atheism Is Dying! Currently On Life Support! by KingEbukasBlog(m): 11:19am On Nov 21, 2016 |
Re: Atheism Is Dying! Currently On Life Support! by KenyaMan111: 11:22am On Nov 21, 2016 |
KingEbukasBlog: No, my boy, when someone is is ignorant beyond belief they need to be told |
Re: Atheism Is Dying! Currently On Life Support! by KenyaMan111: 11:25am On Nov 21, 2016 |
KingEbukasBlog: http://www.breitbart.com/national-security/2016/03/22/for-first-time-in-history-atheism-overtakes-religious-faith-in-norway/ There you go, read carefully, my boy. Secondly, you gave me a link, but no where did a provide the French becoming atheists. Yes they stopped funding churches but how many of the population switched from Christianity. |
Re: Atheism Is Dying! Currently On Life Support! by damogul: 11:27am On Nov 21, 2016 |
KingEbukasBlog: Is there any other vitriolic devolution we have not heard from them? If Ad hominems make one a billionaire then we would have been Billionaires bro going by the number of them we receive everyday. |
Re: Atheism Is Dying! Currently On Life Support! by KingEbukasBlog(m): 11:29am On Nov 21, 2016 |
KenyaMan111: Oh savant of history and current affairs yet you don't know that It is a fallacious claim that prosperity leads to atheism Norway is a Christian-dominant country Dechristianization in France led to the proliferation of atheists irreligion =! atheism Citizens in countries that are irreligious-dominant are just not involved in organized religion not that they are atheists Soviet Union was a union of republics Attacking the opponents character in argument is a logically fallacy and it does not make your argument tenable |
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