nuzo:

I guess its OK for a Lagosian like you to lie and say awful things against Anambra people, but a haram for Diasporans to criticize their corrupt leaders.

Your double standard/hypocrisy stinks to high heavens!

1. Produce a single lie that I stated.

2. Produce the awful thing I stated.

3. Your understanding of hypocrisy obviously is wrong.

4. What you call double standard maybe due to ignorance on your part.

Only fools would make blanket accusations without stating a single fact to back up their statements.

Your inability to comprehend my post is your own problem not mine. I don't have to make statements that you approve of for the statements to be valid.

Ojukwu was right’ -Dr Dozie Ikedife
By DAVID ONWUCHEKWA, Nnewi

Thursday, November 12, 2009

The recent media attack on Dim Chukwuemeka Odimegwu Ojukwu over his purported statement that another civil war can burst out because of Anambra 2010, has attracted the reaction of his kinsman and immediate past president general of Ohaneze Ndigbo, Dr Dozie Ikedife. The elderstatesman has fired back at those who called Ojukwu names over the said publication.

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“I’m not his PR man, but I think fair should be fair. If you have grudges against him, wait for a proper opportunity then vent your spleen. It is not proper venting your spleen at a wrong time on a wrong issue based on a statement you have not read, I think it is unfortunate,” Dr Ikedife complained.

Read on:


What Odimegwu Ojukwu is

He stands out as so many things to so many people; from being a hero to being a villain. And because of my relationship with him, the view I have of him is not the view many people have of him. I leave that aside.

But let me go straight to the question of his being at the centre of the storm because of what he said about Andy Uba on the prospect of his being the Governor of Anambra State.


First of all, let me state the way I see the matter. It is in court and should, therefore call for minimum comments from ordinary people. It is sub-judice. And when a matter is before a court and the court is about to make pronouncement on it, too many comments may come to mean or appear like directing or trying to influence the court.


But an issue that is in the public arena, of course, will draw comments and not many people, as a matter of fact, know that the matter is in the court. So they speak freely as they feel irrespective of the fact that you can say that ignorance of the law is not an excuse.


Now, people are talking about one aspect of the matter. They say he is calling for war and so they try to vilify him. I suspect that many people who are writing against and castigating him, calling him all sorts of names have not in fact read his interview in full.


The headline of a story may give an impression of one thing but when you read the content of the story you may come away with exactly different conclusion. What I understand Ojukwu to be saying is that we must all be very careful about the things we do, that we must not indulge in excesses because excesses may precipitate war. And he said that he does not want to be involved in any other war.


People are calling down fire and brimstone on him as if he said we are going to declare war. Go and read it yourself. So some of the commentators are not fair to him. Yes, they did not read his interview very well.

I’m not his PR man, but I think fair should be fair. If you have grudges against him, wait for a proper opportunity then vent your spleen. But venting your spleen at a wrong time on a wrong issue based on a statement you have not read, is unfortunate.


Ojukwu never called for war

He never said he is going to declare war. He never said he is going to lead any war. He never said you people should go to war. He is looking at this thing as an elderly person while sitting in his Ozi Obi, on his traditional stool Upata as he sees something which a young man on top of an iroko tree may not see. That is the way I see it.He is sounding a note of warning and caution. Please, don’t do this because it may lead to something we least expect… and he at his age, as he said, is not prepared to be involved in any other way. And people are spitting fire and brimstone. I think in an issue like this, make sure you read the story very well before reacting or pigeon-holing him.


Waiting for judgement on Uba’s case

When the judgement is given so many people will react either in support or against it because it is a very big issue, a landmark issue. It could now be seen that something that started wrongly can be righted by the court.

My understanding was that the election for a gubernatorial position in Anambra State in April 2007 should never have been held because there was no vacancy. And if that was the case the exercise was an exercise in futility and the result of it should also be futile, null and void. But I’m not a lawyer or judge. So the learned people might see it differently. So, we wait for the court to give its interpretation then we shall all react.


Sentimental

Well, you may read what Ikemba said, and interprete it as being sentimental, You may interpret it as being rational; you may see it as being pre-emptive, or prophetic. Interpret it the way you will. The interpretation I give it may not be your own. So, my interpretation is neither here nor there, But I don’t think sentiment was what was working on. What was working on was a premonition, an anxiety, and a concern. This is somebody who has seen war before and he does not want to see it again.

What was the rationale for Bankole to ignore the voice on ground and opening his fat Ogun lips to talk about Achebe? Is Ojukwu not an Anambra elder?

Ojukwu clearly demonstrated that the problem can be tackled by the people of Anambra and not the typical buck passing that some of our brothers do where they will put every single blame on foreigners instead of addressing the core issues and holding the people responsible for the problems accountable for their actions.

Afam:

Ojukwu clearly demonstrated that the problem can be tackled by the people of Anambra and not the typical buck passing that some of our brothers do where they will put every single blame on foreigners instead of addressing the core issues and holding the people responsible for the problems accountable for their actions.

Afam, I'm taking it easy with you because you are my brother and I can only assume that you see things differently, which is fine. We are Igbos and freedom of opinion is our gift to the world.
But, I wonder how you can't seem to find the nexus between Uba's rogue activities in Anambra state and outside influence. I hope you realize that your prescription can actually be a snare for leading figures in Anambra state ( and I suspect Igboland). If Ojukwu had tackled Uba directly, can you envisage the outcome? It would then be interpreted as another Anambra internal political affair. With heavy Federal support, do you think Uba will back down? So, Ojukwu, as our beloved leader and sage confronted the source of the problem directly and everyone is celebrating today.

Anyi nwere ebu, nwe nfu - (we have both sides of the peace spectrum). We have God and we have Satan as well. Unfortunately, in this world, people don't fear God, they fear Satan!

Afam:

Ojukwu clearly demonstrated that the problem can be tackled by the people of Anambra and not the typical buck passing that some of our brothers do where they will put every single blame on foreigners instead of addressing the core issues and holding the people responsible for the problems accountable for their actions.

When people say that anambra is burning, I find it very hard to understand.

If you are talking about the kidnap cases which was higher in anambra in recent months then I will understand.

But how is that so different from that of Enugu, Edo, Bayelsa, Kaduna and others to deserve the attention it is getting right now.


PDP's inability to peacefully provide their candidate doesnt mean that the state is burning because that has not stopped anything from working as usual in the state. everything has been working in anambra exactly the same way it was for over three years now.

I am yet to understand why the media is enjoying celebrating anambra issues.

Now it is Bankole.
Bankole who was one of the persons that caused the current PDP impasse.

And again anambra people is not at fault to blame the FG for the so called problems.

If there is any political problem in anambra, it is PDP problem caused by non anambrarians or the ones caused by Chris Uba.

Why wont we blame FG since they are the ones feeding chris uba's powers.
Let the police remove his escorts and lets see if he can drive past awka let alone entering onitsha.

Onlytruth:

Afam, I'm taking it easy with you because you are my brother and I can only assume that you see things differently, which is fine. We are Igbos and freedom of opinion is our gift to the world.
But, I wonder how you can't seem to find the nexus between Uba's rogue activities in Anambra state and outside influence. I hope you realize that your prescription can actually be a snare for leading figures in Anambra state ( and I suspect Igboland). If Ojukwu had tackled Uba directly, can you envisage the outcome? It would then be interpreted as another Anambra internal political affair. With heavy Federal support, do you think Uba will back down? So, Ojukwu, as our beloved leader and sage confronted the source of the problem directly and everyone is celebrating today.

Anyi nwere ebu, nwe nfu - (we have both sides of the peace spectrum). We have God and we have Satan as well. Unfortunately, in this world, people don't fear God, they fear Satan!

I cannot support anything that will undermine my own people, God forbid!

I cannot pretend that the Ubas do not have outside support but those outsiders cannot do anything in Anambra without the willing tools they found in Chris Uba and others.

Now, if some people agree to be sponsored by this man, I am talking about over 20 law makers and a governor then it means that we have a serious issue here and the people must correctly identify those that are working hand in hand with the enemies instead of putting the blame on an outside.

Dem say na rat wey dey inside go tell the one wey dey outside say make e come chop fish.

I am from Enugu state and even though it was widely rumored that Chimaroke was OBJ's boy I couldn't imagine myself blaming OBJ for Chimaroke's action as every single person should be held accountable for his deeds.

I hope my position is clear now.

Afam:


I am from Enugu state and even though it was widely rumored that Chimaroke was OBJ's boy I couldn't imagine myself blaming OBJ for Chimaroke's action as every single person should be held accountable for his deeds

the same way we did not blame anyone when Mbadinuju was doing his own bit as anambra governor.

Chris Uba's assembly members are powerless. They have not achieved a single thing for him right from Ngige time till now that Obi is in power.

None of those people have constituted any visible threat to the governance of anambra. The only person that has done that is Chris and he did it with support of FG.

So dont tell me that we have to blame our assembly guys when they are there using Uba even though he believes he will use them one day but that HAS not happened.

If you think he has used them to succesfully cause trouble in anambra, tell me.

onye_ngbu:

When people say that anambra is burning, I find it very hard to understand.

If you are talking about the kidnap cases which was higher in anambra in recent months then I will understand.

But how is that so different from that of Enugu, Edo, Bayelsa, Kaduna and others to deserve the attention it is getting right now.


PDP's inability to peacefully provide their candidate doesnt mean that the state is burning because that has not stopped anything from working as usual in the state. everything has been working in anambra exactly the same way it was for over three years now.

I am yet to understand why the media is enjoying celebrating anambra issues.

Now it is Bankole.
Bankole who was one of the persons that caused the current PDP impasse.

And again anambra people is not at fault to blame the FG for the so called problems.

If there is any political problem in anambra, it is PDP problem caused by non anambrarians or the ones caused  by Chris Uba.

Why wont we blame FG since they are the ones feeding chris uba's powers.
Let the police remove his escorts and lets see if he can drive past awka let alone entering onitsha.

We are right. Anambra is burning and there is no reason to nurture it unless you are one of those who take part in the turmoil. Do you want us to wait till people's legs are amputated before you agree that Anambra is on fire?. Chris Uba is a self styled thug and a moving train and if nothing is done to contain him now, his rage will engulf Anambra as a whole.

Imagine, a man for who political thuggery and looting is a family tradition, now has the audacity to talk about leadership and failure.
Bankole, first it was Niger Delta - your leaders failed you. Now, it is Anambra- your elders have failed you. Strangely Oduduwa leaders have not failed, neither have Arewa. We shall all pretend that we have never heard of Osun, Ekiti or Ogun states.
One day this clown will realise that his chums in Abuja and himself are the very personification of failure.

SapeleGuy:

Imagine, a man for who political thuggery and looting is a family tradition, now has the audacity to talk about leadership and failure.

Word = Okwu = Oro. Please tell the baboon.

Afam:

1. Produce a single lie that I stated.

Lie:

Now, OBJ is not in power and they still believe that FG is holding the people of Anambra hostage and I disagree with this

.

Fact: The FG is still holding the people of Anambra hostage by giving the PDP thugs an enormous amount of power. Or how do you explain the abduction of a sitting governor by the Nigerian police on the orders of Chris Uba? How do you explain the fact that a sitting Anambra governor cannot order the arrest of a criminal like Chris Uba. . . instead, it goes the other way round; he he kidnaps governors?

2. Produce the awful thing I stated- Afam

Awful thing:

As long as all the major players in this political game are from Anambra state then it makes perfect sense to state that these players indeed have support from people within the state unless they are saying that it is non Igbos that are being used to vie for offices or rig elections in the state-Afam

PDP and their thugs like Chris and Andy Uba has only the support of FG, the Police, paid assassins, touts and murderers of which he uses to suppress the people of Anambra state. Exactly the reason why Obi was massively voted by them.
Right now, the FG believes that any party apart from PDP is being sponsored by MASSOP, hence the high interest in the state.

3. Your understanding of hypocrisy obviously is wrong.

4. What you call double standard maybe due to ignorance on your part.

No, I still maintain it that your hypocrisy stinks cos you dont see anything wrong in faulting Anambrarians on this crisis even when its clear that they have fought for democracy more than any other people in Nigeria. But you get riled up the moment a Diasporan faults the Nigerian leaders for the failed system. That is called hypocrisy and double standard.

Only fools would make blanket accusations without stating a single fact to back up their statements.

Your inability to comprehend my post is your own problem not mine. I don't have to make statements that you approve of for the statements to be valid[/b]

Talk to me directly you coward. You think you and your opinion are better than anyone else's. In fact, I will be in Nigeria in a few days time and would want to meet you to really understand what drives your selfish, egoistic and holier than thou attitude. I challenge you to invite me to any place safe for you. I will risk all to have a one on one chat with you even though you are the kind of person that can set somebody up with the OPC or security agencies.
I also hope to use the opportunity to discuss my political ambitions with you as you may have a monopoly of idea on the steps I should take.

Just like I stated earlier in my first post on this thread. . . I enjoin Anambra people to keep fighting for democracy as they have always done even in the face of tyranny. . . a heroic attitude people like Afam does not have but will never be appreciative of people who do.

Long live Anambra state!

I was accused of lying by this stupid nuzo and when asked to reproduce any single lie I have stated his only response was

nuzo:

Lie: .

This is the highest point of stupidity.

nuzo:

Fact: The FG is still holding the people of Anambra hostage by giving the PDP thugs an enormous amount of power. Or how do you explain the abduction of a sitting governor by the Nigerian police on the orders of Chris Uba? How do you explain the fact that a sitting Anambra governor cannot order the arrest of a criminal like Chris Uba. . . instead, it goes the other way round; he he kidnaps governors?

I doubt if anyone in Nigeria is not aware of the support Chris Uba used to have while OBJ was in power. However, while you are ok with blaming the FG for what your own brother is doing I believe the proper blame should go to Chris Uba and all the people of Anambra that work with him from the over 20 law makers he sponsored to those who are ready to die for him due to what they benefit from him.

nuzo:

Awful thing:
PDP and their thugs like Chris and Andy Uba has only the support of FG, the Police, paid assassins, touts and murderers of which he uses to suppress the people of Anambra state. Exactly the reason why Obi was massively voted by them.
Right now, the FG believes that any party apart from PDP is being sponsored by MASSOP, hence the high interest in the state.

No, I still maintain it that your hypocrisy stinks cos you dont see anything wrong in faulting Anambrarians on this crisis even when its clear that they have fought for democracy more than any other people in Nigeria. But you get riled up the moment a Diasporan faults the Nigerian leaders for the failed system. That is called hypocrisy and double standard.

Same old nonsense, however let will correct a lie you have introduced just for posterity sake. I have never objected to anyone faulting Nigerian leaders for the problems in Nigeria. I fault them too. I have always objected to Nigerians living outside Nigeria abusing those of us that live in Nigeria and will continue to do so.

That you cannot complete a sentence without lying is your own problem not mine.

nuzo:

Talk to me directly you coward. You think you and your opinion are better than anyone else's. In fact, I will be in Nigeria in a few days time and would want to meet you to really understand what drives your selfish, egoistic and holier than thou attitude. I challenge you to invite me to any place safe for you. I will risk all to have a one on one chat with you even though you are the kind of person that can set somebody up with the OPC or security agencies.
I also hope to use the opportunity to discuss my political ambitions with you as you may have a monopoly of idea on the steps I should take.

Just like I stated earlier in my first post on this thread. . . I enjoin Anambra people to keep fighting for democracy as they have always done even in the face of tyranny. . . a heroic attitude people like Afam does not have but will never be appreciative of people who do.

Long live Anambra state!

My response was to you, I don't know how else you expect me to talk to you directly. Are you referring to email, phone or face to face? If yes, then it is not possible as I don't waste my time will clowns.

So, as regards your proposal to have a face to face meeting with me here in Nigeria my response is this - No. I would rather engage a mad man on the street than waste my time with someone who has no credibility and who lies without thinking twice.

If this is how you have been arranging meetings with people then be it known to you this day that the strategy cannot work with me.

You say I have what you termed holier than thou attitude. Well, I think it is more like "honesty" there. I don't lie about anything in my life. I am honest in all I do so I understand why people like you get uncomfortable when we demand honesty as you cannot measure up in that area.

For me it has always been a way of life and criminally minded people cannot change this fact.

Keep looking for outsiders to blame instead of being man enough to blame those who are directly responsible for the actions you frown at.

When stupid and useless people have no good point to talk about, they use physical attribute to attack. Why using Dimeji's lip to say some pretty stupid things about him?.

By God's providence, the young bro has stepped into shoes some of your fathers will never wear. Morons

Keep destroying yourself.

To some stupid Igbo folks here on N/L (closet tribalist),  Hausa political elite + Yoruba political elite - Igbo political elite = FG

Keep wallowing in your silly ignorance, thinking you are some sort of genuis.

My friend keep quiet if you have nothing meaningful to say here^^^^

ilugunboy:

When stupid and useless people have no good point to talk about, they use physical attribute to attack. Why using Dimeji's lip to say some pretty stupid things about him?.

By God's providence, the young bro has stepped into shoes some of your fathers will never wear. Morons

Keep destroying yourself.

To some stupid Igbo folks here on N/L (closet tribalist), Hausa political elite + Yoruba political elite - Igbo political elite = FG
Keep wallowing in your silly ignorance, thinking you are some sort of genuis.

Classic!!!
If Uba and all cohorts are from Anambra, it's definitely an Anambra state problem, preferably the problem of the psyche of your elites. The same sheer arrogancy Uba and his likes display is the same arrogancy those calling on the FG are showing here. They refuse to take on what stems from an internal problem.

There's a saying. . .

"A great civilization is not conquered from without until it has destroyed itself from within."

asha 80:

My friend keep quiet if you have nothing meaningful to say here^^^^

And Oga, where are u coming from. Asking me to keep quiet with that stupid tone of arrogance.

Who the hell do you think you are? You own this space?. Idiot.

Let this Bankole man face his PDP and leave Achebe and Co. alone because they are the cause of the problem from Abuja and they also in better position to intervene.

pcicero:

Now we seem to be missing it again. Bankole might be a toddler, but he has a responsibility as the Speaker of the federation to say some things. Truly, Prof Achebe has never kept mute on the Anambra issue and that pitted him against former president OBJ.
As for Soyinka not doing anything in Ogun, i'm sure we all know him better than that, he would not spare them when he thinks they are becoming a nuisance.
I've not been to Anambra in recent times, and most of our comments are based on newspapers' reports and what we see on TV, so if it's being blown out of proportion then don't blame us, blame the media.

However, i can certainly say that all is not well with Anambra, and it doesn't seem to be limited to PDP. It cuts across all the parties PPA, APGA and what have you. I see unbridled egoism and opportunistic tendencies in all the political leaders. It's as if the cultural values espoused by the Achebes and the  Anyaokus are no longer in existence. Wisdom seems to have taken flight in Anambra.
I therefore submit, that it is order that they speak some sense into them. Let the various communities regard them as outcasts and let's see what FG can do about that.

In a normal world, nobody would mind the excess lips man called Bankole, but the fact is that Nigeria is not a normal society. His comment is based in their usual I am an expert on Ndigbo.

He should mind his business and mind about the place that elected him to Abuja and Anambra has nothing to do with him. What has he said to the war between Gbenga Daniel vs. Iyabo in his own state? Atiku vs. the rest in Adamawa, Yar Adua vs. Buhari or vs. former speaker Masari in Katsina. When Plateau state was burning between Mantu and others, nobody spoke. Adedibu vs. the rest of the world in Oyo, Ekiti, Osun all are burning and killings too and where is Bankole and shame calls.

Before their 2007 election, Lagos was on fire and even a candidate (Funso Williams) was murdered and we didn’t hear the same thing as today. Oh! Bola Ige was murdered in his own bedroom, can you imagine if he was Igbo and was murdered in Igboland by a fellow Igbo politician they were accusing Omisere? All hail would have broke lose, how Igbos hate each other and killing each other and unsolicited advices will be flying all over the place.
Anambra PDP is having problem set in Abuja, all of a sudden it’s Igbo problem. The end talk? Yeah!! Igbos are disunited, if they are so, how can they produce a president? this what all this is all about, if not tell me a single state today that is politically peaceful in Nigeria.