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Re: Curious About Islam,facts About Islam. by Nobody: 6:01pm On Mar 10, 2010 |
@illusion,i know you read alot about ISLAM,but i would just summarise it for you that,its a complete way of life,thats the only way you can be accepted by God when you die,if not you will burn in hellfire if you die not as a good muslim,and jesus is not dead yey anyway,so its of no use living by that salvation cos is futile,salvation is only gotten by accepting ALLAH(SWT)as your LORD and obeying him,accepting his messegers including Jesus(pbuh)as one of his great messenger and not God,and finally accepting Muhammad(pbuh)as his last messenger to mankind,and also obeying him too |
Re: Curious About Islam,facts About Islam. by illusion2: 8:05pm On Mar 10, 2010 |
uplawal:Tell me the truth. . .do you really,really believe all you have typed above ? ![]() As in can you bet your life on it ? |
Re: Curious About Islam,facts About Islam. by Nobody: 10:49pm On Mar 10, 2010 |
why are u acting childish,saying i should swear by my life,all i can tell you as a good muslim is that i dnt swear by anything but by ALLAH(SWT),So i swear by ALLAH that what i wrote up there is truth and nothing but the truth |
Re: Curious About Islam,facts About Islam. by illusion2: 6:00am On Mar 11, 2010 |
uplawal:You have started again? ![]() What has being childish got to do with it? I NEVER said SWEAR cos I don't swear myself,I said can you BET your life on it? ![]() |
Re: Curious About Islam,facts About Islam. by Nobody: 5:46am On Mar 12, 2010 |
you have started again o,dnt let me get angry abegi,whats the different my dear?is this CASINO,or you think am foolish?you too bet your life with it that all what you've heard about the Quran is not from GOD? |
Re: Curious About Islam,facts About Islam. by illusion2: 6:25am On Mar 12, 2010 |
uplawal:You are the one making the assertions my dear,I don't need to bet my life on something I don't believe ![]() |
Re: Curious About Islam,facts About Islam. by Nobody: 9:30am On Mar 12, 2010 |
okay mr illusion,i cant bet my life not even anything cos its not allowedv to do betting in ISLAM, i can only swear but by ALLAH,So that should be okay for you,its left to you if you want to believe |
Re: Curious About Islam,facts About Islam. by illusion2: 12:39pm On Mar 12, 2010 |
Why I cannot become a muslim Before I give my reasons,I need to state somethings. One- its important all of us regard each other 1st as human beings,then other identities e.g religion,tribe,state of origin etc. This fundamental issue is at the heart of all the hate & problems we have in Nigeria & beyond (from christians ,muslims alike). We are quick to identify with any one that claims to share our beliefs even if that person is the most despicable human being on earth. Similarly ,we easily dismiss any one that doesn't share our faith,which is sad. Because we have a lot of really wonderful human beings who do not believe what we believe ,the world is full of these. Two- I strongly suspect almost all human beings aspire for the good things of life- the desire to succeed in their careers,have healthy families & live prosperous lives. These empirical human needs cuts across race/religion/continent. So in a nutshell,what is common to us is much more than what divides us Finally-this may be controversial,but its important we separate what we believe from what we know. For example I KNOW the capital of Nigeria is Abuja (we know this). . . but issues of Heaven,hell,God,paradise-we BELIEVE. So its strange how we can nearly kill ourselves over things WE DO NOT KNOW but believe. If someone was arguing with me that the capital of Nigeria is Kano & not Abuja. . . I could bet my life on it (or swear if it suits you). . . but on things of faith,we all BELIEVE ,but DO NOT KNOW for a certainty. . . so lets keep this in mind. My reasons next. , . . . |
Re: Curious About Islam,facts About Islam. by muhsin(m): 1:10pm On Mar 12, 2010 |
^^^You had me smiling. I read your post with sheer enthusiasm. Can’t wait to read the “reasons”. ![]() |
Re: Curious About Islam,facts About Islam. by Nobody: 2:19pm On Mar 12, 2010 |
@illusion,av just told you i cant bet,thatmeans i av to disobey Allah,or dnt u get it man,if u like bet with your unborn children sef,its fine by you and not me,and besides what youy just wrote upthere is cracking,i cant even make any sense out of it lol |
Re: Curious About Islam,facts About Islam. by illusion2: 5:32pm On Mar 12, 2010 |
uplawal: You are always quick to get personal ,why? What have unborn children have to do with discussions on Islam? Learn to separate issues my dear . |
Re: Curious About Islam,facts About Islam. by Lagosboy: 9:34am On Mar 13, 2010 |
illusion2: In the name of Allah most gracious most merciful I agree to an extent with the first part of your posts regarding mutual respect based on brotherhood of humanity. I do agree and believe our differences in beliefs should not threathen our co existence and a look at history will inidcate that during the glorious years of Islamic caliphacy muslims and non muslims lived in peaceful co existence albeit under the state of islam. Even when the muslims had upper hand absolute respect was given to the weaker people christians and jews. A look at history will show us Ali (RA) charged a jew to court for theft of his shield (one of the first documented cases of court charge in our world), Ali was the head of state but did not have any evidence to prove his case and the judge ruled in favor of the jew in an islamic state ! This sense of justice and high level enlightenment amazed the Jew and he confessed he actually stole the sheild and accepted islam thereafter. It is a shame it is this same islam that is now the most misunderstood religion in the world , little thanks to many muslims ourselves who have done little to help islam with our behavior. Now to the second part of your post regarding certainity, knowledge and believe. This is a highly age old philosophical concept and falls under a subject called "Ilm kalam" in islamic sciences. Firstly i will like to state you have to have knowledge before you believe , believe without knowledge is not a belief but just mere self deceit, We are expected to believe without doubt in islam as one of the conditions of the shahadah, this absolute belief stems from nothing except knowledge and that is why Allah said in a hadith qudsi "Know me before you worship me" And that is why Allah also says in the quran " Fa'alamu annahu la ilaha illa lah" meaning " Then know there is no deity except ALLah" the know here does not mean one should just know but the deep arabic meaning is one should learn/study the shahadah "la ilaha illa lah". Knowledge is power and knowledge is light and that is why Allah talked about the believers and said in Q49 " The believers are ONLY [/b]those who believe in Allah and his messenger and thereafter do [b]not doubt . . . . " Now going to issues relating to the hereafter like paradise and hell, no one has been there and came back to tell apart from Prophet Muhammad PBUH in the isra wal miraj "the night of ascension". We believe in it from our absolute belief in the quran and in Allah the author of the quran. Belief in it is part of the conditions of faith and we should never doubt but belief with 100% certainty. However where i disagree with people or might agree with you to an extent is people who condemn others to the hell fire and say with certainty to others, "you are going to the hell fire". God did not give the keys of hell fire to anyone and the ability and jidgement to put anyone there solely lies with the creator himself and not us. Anyone saying such jargon be it Muslim or otherwise does not know where he/she will end up himself. The general belief is yes the believers will go to paradise and the disbelievers will go to the hell fire according to the qur'an and we believe in it 100%. However no one should categorically say an individual is destinied for the fire/paradise because Allah alone is the master of the day of Judgement. I will finish with one hadith of the prophet PBUH "The bankrupt of my Ummah is he who would come on the Day of Judgment with prayers, fasting, and zakah; but who had offended one person, slandered another, devoured others' wealth, shed the blood of this person, and beat that person." (Muslim) Each one of these people would be given some of the wrongdoer's good deeds. If his good deeds fall short of settling the account, then their sins will be taken from their accounts and thrown into his account, and he would be thrown in the Hellfire. Imagine this kind of individual case who thinks his good deeds is enought to take him to paradise but the right of others supercede this and the individual might end up in the fire. Illusion I really want to know your reasons for not being a Muslim because i will like to call you to the path to success and bliss. I will not condemn you for being a christian Never and i have never done to people but i will like you to take the path of wisdom, rational thinking, scientific facts and path of honor in worshiping your creator without associating partners with him, to believe in Jesus PBUH as God sent and not part of a divine group , to accept Prophet Muhammad PBUH as th last and final messenger, to perform the salah like all the prophets did including Jesus even in the bible, to pay the zakah , to fast in ramdhan and live your life in submission to your lord in whose hands is your soul. 1 Like |
Re: Curious About Islam,facts About Islam. by ayettymama(f): 9:48am On Mar 13, 2010 |
hmm this is quite educating never knew u guys thot abraham was a prophet now what were his prophesies?? |
Re: Curious About Islam,facts About Islam. by ayettymama(f): 9:52am On Mar 13, 2010 |
yes yes yes i have another question if your god hates the infedels soo much, why did he bother create us?? instead of commanding you to war- i hope im making sense?? as in why will he command you to kill his creations?? were they not in his efforts?? he couldve just destroyed all infidels in a fire or summin instead?? this is absolutely baffling me ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
Re: Curious About Islam,facts About Islam. by nopuqeater: 5:53pm On Mar 13, 2010 |
@ayettymama; « #236 on: Today at 09:48:52 AM » hmmeducation in islam is very superior. while you do not call him a prophet, we say and believe and know that he is a prophet. his prophesy is standing today, unshaking; he prayed to Allah/God that after him, meaning his life on earth, any prophet to be raised for mankind as leader and guidance should be from his bloodline. The prayer was accepted and all prophets have came from him. The last from the branch of Isiaqa who had many of them was Isa bin Maryam (AS), the person you mistake to be god instead of the prophet/Messenger of God that he was. As a result of the insolency and stiffneckedness of the Israelites, Allah turned to the other branch of Ibrahim, the children of Ismail, where Muhammad (AS) the last and final Messenger and seal of prophethood was raised for mankind to carry on the torch of guidance to all mankind in Oneness of God, and disvow any other wto be worshipped openly or unknowningly with the Almighty. « #237 on: Today at 09:52:39 AM »The word "Infidel" has no equivalence in the Arabic of Quran, it is a word in the Book of Timothy, in the Bible. The Christian pundits and elites of the world, and their supporters the orientalists of various types see fit to drag Quran and indeed down by saying this word is also in the Quran. In their effort to malign Islam, they obscure the fact that this word is only in the Bible, now pushing it on Islam without any consciousness to the fact is in the Bible. Allah/God commanded Moses to fight and kill in the ways Allah deviced for him, disbelieving Egyptians and all the disbelievers in the wilderness. All wars that were fought by the Prophets and Messengers of God are of good reason, regardless of whether they were victorious or vanguished. All the Prophets and messengers after Moses; King David with his beautiful voice, Solomon with his unparallel wisdom all fought disbelievers and evil doers. So did father Abraham who was met in the way on his return from such a war by Melcheszedek, the King of salem whom some christians have even suggested that he was the first Jesus or even a god. What do you think of these warriors and why would you think Muhammad will be different, from them? And jesus was not the only non combatant prophet: Elijah, Elisha, Zachariah and son Yahyah (AS to all of them) did not fight. Yes Allah/God was the Creator of all those humans that were killed in wars where these prophets and Messengers fought in. Allah/God was the Creator of the people who perished in Noah's flood, the people of Sodom under Lot, etc, and those who perished in the sea under Moses. he couldve just destroyed all infidels in a fire or summin instead??Infidel is found on the page of the Bible. Now, your complaint shows lack of faith, and or ignorance of the power of Allah/God. He chooses the way He starts and ends a project, a life. Afterall, He allows a good portion of evil doers to roam the earth, even as they sitness His power against themselves. maybe per chance they may change their evil ways. This is mercy from God on all mankind, before He visits His justice on the evil doers. |
Re: Curious About Islam,facts About Islam. by agabaI23(m): 10:34pm On Mar 13, 2010 |
nopuqeater:So after helping them to defeat the sons of Ishmael empowering them to take their lands who he promised them, you still think he turned against them? He only punishes them when they sin and refused to listen to him but never abandoned them. God does not change his word. I can see where the lies of Islam started. |
Re: Curious About Islam,facts About Islam. by Lagosboy: 12:57am On Mar 14, 2010 |
agabaI23: With all humility and due respect, if you have nothing worthwhile and intelligent to contribute to this thread sparing us your presence shall be greatly appreciated. |
Re: Curious About Islam,facts About Islam. by Nobody: 2:08am On Mar 14, 2010 |
@nopuqueter,May Allah(swt)reward you and take all these as an act of IBADAH |
Re: Curious About Islam,facts About Islam. by agabaI23(m): 4:32am On Mar 14, 2010 |
Lagosboy: With all due humility, you should addressed the premise from which that conclusion was drawn. You call it unintelligent and worthless because you do understand or you are ignorant of what I have referred to. You guys have been saying that Christianity is all lies why are you so incensed? |
Re: Curious About Islam,facts About Islam. by illusion2: 6:21am On Mar 14, 2010 |
I have made a decision to limit my interaction in this section to intelligent people like Lagosboy,muhsin etc. . . some other people just get personal unnecessarily,probably due to their level of education/exposure. ![]() Now my pal- LB (I'll respond to your post on BELIEF & KNOWLEDGE a bit later) & other reasonable & intelligent posters ![]() Why I cannot become a muslim I took time to emphasise my convictions above,because I don’t want to fall into the trap of ‘insulting Islam’ etc,because religion is such a sensitive topic that people easily get offended. So please do not get offended,this is STRICTLY my opinion, which all of God’s creations are entitled to ,I love muslims and I respect their faith & I see my self as really open minded. [center]Reason No 1[/center] Historical records : The three great religions – Judaism, Christianity & Islam, arrived on earth in that order. They all have similar records of history – Adam, Moses, Jesus etc. I think it’s a little bit too convenient for Islam to say the previous 2 faiths' books are ‘corrupted’ and only its own version(Qu'ran) is correct, when even the process of putting together the Qu’ran itself is contentious. Don’t get me wrong, I have my own concerns about some Biblical records,(Matt 1 & Luke 3),but by & large the Old testament of the Christian bible tallies with the Jewish version of events, all of which existed during the time of the holy prophet (Surah 2: 23,62,105 etc) . If we were to take the latest version of events in all cases then the Ahmadiyya version of Islam should be the most authentic ![]() ![]() So the explanation that God sent the Holy prophet to come & 'perfect' or 'correct' the other belief systems does not hold water IN MY OWN OPINION ! more to follow. . . . . |
Re: Curious About Islam,facts About Islam. by ayettymama(f): 10:54am On Mar 14, 2010 |
The quoran is insulting i remember it reffering to the jews as pigs if your saying the word infedels isnt in the qoran translate the meaning yourself what is it? |
Re: Curious About Islam,facts About Islam. by ayettymama(f): 2:25pm On Mar 14, 2010 |
illusion2: dont forget the mistakes in the soo called perfect qoran |
Re: Curious About Islam,facts About Islam. by ifyalways(f): 7:03pm On Mar 14, 2010 |
Lagosboy,did u say Muslims are awaiting the coming of Jesus?what is a jinn? Ayytemama and Uplawal pls be a lil polite when replying or move somewhere else,dont want to get this thread locked.tks |
Re: Curious About Islam,facts About Islam. by Lagosboy: 7:06pm On Mar 14, 2010 |
hey ify good to catch you online ![]() |
Re: Curious About Islam,facts About Islam. by ifyalways(f): 7:12pm On Mar 14, 2010 |
J.` ![]() gotcha ! waiting for answers.Did the Koran say Non-belivers shld be converted or killed?(1:33) - the Messenger of Allah said: I have been commanded to fight against people till they testify that there is no god but Allah, that Muhammad is the messenger of Allah Bukhari ![]() |
Re: Curious About Islam,facts About Islam. by Lagosboy: 7:16pm On Mar 14, 2010 |
ifyalways: Yeah we are awaiting the comming of Jesus PBUH , according to Prophet Muhammad PBUH Jesus shall come back and his comming signifies the end of the world. He will kill the anti christ (Dajjal), he will break the cross, he will lead muslims in prayers and will eventually die because he never died before but was raised up to the heavens. The quran says "Every soul shall taste death" and so the words of God will not be fulfilled if he doesnt die as he his a special soul among the souls of human beings a prophet , a messenger and our beloved PBUH. Ify this is a wide an extensive subject in islam and we have to take it slowly to explain the above is just a summary. |
Re: Curious About Islam,facts About Islam. by Lagosboy: 7:23pm On Mar 14, 2010 |
ifyalways:# This is a popular myth about islam, IFY By Allah in whose hand is my soul , there is no verse in the quran that says a disbeliever should convert to islam otherwise he shall be killed. in fact the quran says "There is no compulsion in religion". If this was the case there will not be jews and christian living in the islamic state in Medina under the command of the Prophet PBUH, there will be no treaty between the Prophet and the polytheist of Makkah. The jews will not have found sanctuary under the rule of islam for several centuries when they were persecuted in europe and beyond. In fact if you read history of spain and the spanish inquisition to be precise , you will discover that it was some christians who forced muslims to either convert to Christianity or be killed. Even in our Nigeria our parents tell us about the missionaries forcing them to convert and change their names from muslim names otherwise they will not receive western education. This is not to castigate christianity in anyway but some elements among the faith engaged in this anomaly. Some muslims as well have this erroneous notion about either any deisbeliever should be killed but it is totally wrong and has no place in our faith. |
Re: Curious About Islam,facts About Islam. by ifyalways(f): 7:27pm On Mar 14, 2010 |
lb did u se he verse i posted?i just edited my post.OK can u explain the quoted verse? |
Re: Curious About Islam,facts About Islam. by Lagosboy: 7:31pm On Mar 14, 2010 |
Ify hhmmm regarding Jinn this is another wide topic but let me try to explain and i might direct you to a thread on here on NL regarding this is well. Jinn are another creatures of Allah similar in some ways to human beings. In english we can call them spirits. they have muslims among them and non muslims alike, the disbelievers among them are called shayatin "devils" as they are instruments of satan himself to cause atrocities. The quran addresses humans and Jinns alike and an example is " We have not created men and Jinns for nothing except for worship" Q51 v 56. llah has enlightened us on the subject of Jinn through the seventy second (72nd) Surah Surah Al-Jinn, revealed late in Makkah and various other aayaat in the Holy Qur’aan. The Holy Qur’aan reveals that Jinn are created from fire whereas the human beings are created from clay. Although they are invisible to human eyes, the jinn can see us. Like human beings they are also entrusted with responsibilities (careers, family life, etc.). They too will be rewarded for their righteousness and will receive punishment for their wickedness. “And among us ( the Jinns ) there are the righteous folk and among us there are far from that; we are sects having different rules.” (71:11) The existence of the Jinn is firmly established by the Qur?an and the authentic Sunnah and the consensus of the Scholars (Ijma?) It suffices to say that the word Jinn and its derivatives occur more than 29 times in the Qur?an. A related word ?shaytan? and its plural ?shaytana? together occur more than 80 times. In fact, there is an entire Surah called Surah Al-Jinn, which speaks in clear explicit terms about the Jinn. The reality which we have to affirm is that the Jinn live in an established world unseen to us. They eat and drink, and procreate. Similar to Humans, some are righteous while others are not. The Jinn were created before the creation of mankind. There origin is from fire. The Qur?an verified these facts in Surah Al-Hijr: ?And verily, We created mankind from sounding clay of altered smooth mud and the jinn We created from smokeless fire.? Qur?an 15:26-27 The creation was also reported by Ibn Abbas (ra): ?Two thousand years before (mankind) was created, there were Jinn on (the Earth), and they caused corruption on it and shed blood. Then Allah sent against them a troop of Angels who beat them and cast them away to islands in the seas. So, when Allah said: ?I am placing (mankind) generations after generations on Earth,? They (the Angels) said, ?Will You place therein one who will cause corruption and shed blood? (Al Baqarah, 2:30), That is: Just as those Jinn did?? Then Allah said: ?I know that which you do not know.?? Al-Hakim We can not ordinarily see the Jinn, unless they take a material form, which is usually in an unpleasant or ugly form such as a snake or a black dog, as opposed to angels who take pleasant and handsome forms. They can also take a human form. For example: In the battle of Badr, a kind of Jinn known as Ibliss, assumed the form of a man named Suraqah Ibn Malik, and urged the disbelievers to move forward to the battle, saying: ?There is none who can overcome you today? Qur?an 8:48 Then Al lah sent the Angel Jibreel against him and when Ibliss saw him, he cried out to the disbelievers: ?I have nothing to do with you ! I see that which you do not see ! I fear Allah, and Allah is severe in retribution,? and then he fled. There are 3 types of Jinn as described in the following authentic Hadith: The Prophet Muhammed (saws) said: ?There are 3 types of Jinn; One type flies through the air, another type consists of snakes and dogs. A third is based in one place but travels about.? Tabarani and Buhaqi Jinni:Is a term used by the Arabs to refer to one Jinn. The 3 types of Jinn are as follows: 1 Amir: (Resident Jinn) used to mean that he is one of those who lives with people. 2 Shaytan: Used for a Jinni who is malicious and has become wicked. 3 Ifrit: Used for a Jinni who is stronger and more powerful than a Shaytan. The way of life for the Jinn is just like Human Beings. For Example: they are accountable for their actions, just as Human Beings are. |
Re: Curious About Islam,facts About Islam. by Lagosboy: 7:32pm On Mar 14, 2010 |
ifyalways: i missed it. pls quote it again |
Re: Curious About Islam,facts About Islam. by Lagosboy: 7:39pm On Mar 14, 2010 |
Ok ify i know th ehadith but the quranic reference of 1 v33 seems incoreect as Q1 has only 7 verses could you verify the chapter again and i can inshallah answer the question |
Re: Curious About Islam,facts About Islam. by ifyalways(f): 7:42pm On Mar 14, 2010 |
lol,ok wud do that.it was actually a friend of mine that gave me that quotation.Thanks for d explanations,wud read thru and get back to you.wishing u a great week ahead. |
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