Onlytruth:

I know you enjoy being the irresponsible contrarian and iconoclast in these debates, always trying to talk about Nigeria as if we even have the most basic state of sanity. Your theories only work in places with electricity. We don't have that!

WRONG!!!   Don’t be deceived into thinking you are debating with UNEDUCATED fools. You only need to open your history books to know what you have above is foolishly wrong.

Onlytruth:

I just want you to take your own advice and apply it to your children and their future (unless of course you are a Northerner, in which case I would understand). You may not see it but I'm fighting for the future of my children and generations unborn. That is what fires me up whenever I'm posting here.

Your bias prevents you from seeing the flaw in your reasoning, and I hope you have your mind OPENED to your true reality soon.    I really expected you to try to answer questions not continue the same old rant, pretending you are on to something new. Democracy almost demands that reps from regions continue to fight for the will of the people they rep no matter what.  What I don't understand is how people expect SO MUCH for next to NO EFFORT on their part in all this. Have you ever inquired from your reps on why they are not themselves representing you well? Have you bothered changing them so you can install better representatives? Is INEC now being run by "the other side"? Or are you just too blind to see that  this is a Nigeria-wide problem, and not about the North?

Kobojunkie:

WRONG!!!   Don’t be deceived into thinking you are debating with UNEDUCATED fools. You only need to open your history books to know what you have above is foolishly wrong.   


Your bias prevents you from seeing the flaw in your reasoning, and I hope you have your mind OPENED to your true reality soon.    I really expected you to try to answer questions not continue the same old rant, pretending you are on to something new. Democracy almost demands that reps from regions continue to fight for the will of the people they rep no matter what.  What I don't understand is how people expect SO MUCH for next to NO EFFORT on their part in all this. Have you ever inquired from your reps on why they are not themselves representing you well? Have you bothered changing them so you can install better representatives? Is INEC now being run by "the other side"? Or are you just too blind to see that  this is a Nigeria-wide problem, and not about the North?

If I keep thinking about my personal reality (which is by no means meager!), what about my children and their future? I know you think like our rulers (selfish and narcissistic). I'm not like that. I think about my future generations. Do you think the best way to defend their interest is to be aloof to the reality of Nigeria -a permanently dysfunctional state? Do you believe the best way is to forget our history? Who has ruled Nigeria for 49 years? What have they done with the power? Why don't I have even a credible census or election? I know you'd go "all Nigerian elites are bla blah!" History is there though. It reminds us of what role each region and tribe played to put us where we are today. To abandon that history is to play into the hands of revisionists like you.

Onlytruth:

If I keep thinking about my personal reality (which is by no means meager!), what about my children and their future? I know you think like our rulers (selfish and narcissistic). I'm not like that. I think about my future generations. Do you think the best way to defend their interest is to be aloof to the reality of Nigeria -a permanently dysfunctional state? Do you believe the best way is to forget our history? Who has ruled Nigeria for 49 years? What have they done with the power? Why don't I have even a credible census or election? I know you'd go "all Nigerian elites are bla blah!" History is there though. It reminds us of what role each region and tribe played to put us where we are today. To abandon that history is to play into the hands of revisionists like you.

Oh Yeah!!! The OVER-USED "THINGS WILL AUTOMAGICALLY HAPPEN BECAUSE I SAID SO" argument!!! Try again!

@Onlytruth,

As a Northerner, I believe it would be a total cliche' to drop some lines.  You seemed very reluctant to think outside the box as per this debate, despites Kobojunkie's incessant efforts to help.  All these saga is just a game of power play, and one has to see it as such if he/she wants to master it. The truth of the matter is, every regional, tribal, and religion entity is a participant in this game, but the Northern Muslims have won more than the other entities, WHY? because they've learned to play their cards very well, Simple.

How well have the Igbos played their cards, and what role did the Igbos played and are still playing in maintaining the status quo, have you asked yourself those questions? The dominance of the North in our country's politics did not happened overnight, the opportunity was offered on a silver plate, aftermaths the incidence of 1966.  If that coup had succeeded,  there would never have been a balance of power either. South-Easterners would probably be dominating this game today.  Although, that 1966 incident remained a stain in the history of our country, its the best thing that had ever happened to the North. Thats the untold truth.

You kept saying that the north wants to impose sharia on the rest of  Nigerians, is that supposed to be a joke or what?  I'm sure you know thats not true, but its a very shameful and petty excuse used by people who just cant handle the truth and their shortcomings.   Northern leaders do not give a hoot about sharia, its implementation would not be to their advantage, if anything, most of them dislike it even more than you do. However, they came up with the sharia label, because thats all they need to fire up the unsuspecting masses.  You need to go to the so-called sharia states (I am from one by the way) to see for yourself. The sharia saga was just another political gimmick to rally the people and hold on to power, and guessed what, It worked.  Sentiments aside, you got to commend the ingenuity of the leaders from the North in this game, they sure do know how to play their cards very well.


There is no way to say it better than via Nkem Owoh's song called "I go chop your dollar". When you replace "419" in that song with "Nigerian power politics", you'll get the perfect picture.  Say what you may, the Yorubas are gaining ground in this game as well, hence they've had some victories too.  The game is still on, and  many Igbos have realized the futility of blaming the North for all their political problems.  Instead of wallowing in perpetual victimhood , they have learned to put themselves and their leaders in the box. Soon, it'll be a different ball game, but folks like you are not helping the Igbo cause.


Our so-called leaders know too well  that the average Nigerian is a mugu, they just throw some ethnic/religious tension out there whenever the chips are down, and the average Nigerian would loose all senses and be led to the gallows.  Irrespective of which part of the country you come from, your leaders do not give a hoot about you. You seem very bitter about the status quo. Despite the donkey years northerners have been ruling this country, what have we really achieved in terms of developments compared to the other regions? about 70% of Nigerians suffering from abject poverty are Northerners, we lack social amenities et al.  Who knows, south-easterners could  have suffered the same fate if their leaders had been in power. So my fellow Nigerian, channel your anger somewhere else, cos we are all pawns in this game of power struggle. No northerner would come into power without a South-Easterner and South-Westerner behind him, it just would never happen.  Ethnic/religion tension is a means to justify the end (their pockets).

Maple:

@Onlytruth,

As a Northerner, I believe it would be a total cliche' to drop some lines.  You seemed very reluctant to think outside the box as per this debate, despites Kobojunkie's incessant efforts to help.  All these saga is just a game of power play, and one has to see it as such if he/she wants to master it. The truth of the matter is, every regional, tribal, and religion entity is a participant in this game, but the Northern Muslims have won more than the other entities, WHY? because they've learned to play their cards very well, Simple.

How well have the Igbos played their cards, and what role did the Igbos played and are still playing in maintaining the status quo, have you asked yourself those questions? The dominance of the North in our country's politics did not happened overnight, the opportunity was offered on a silver plate, aftermaths the incidence of 1966.  If that coup had succeeded,  there would never have been a balance of power either. South-Easterners would probably be dominating this game today.  Although, that 1966 incident remained a stain in the history of our country, its the best thing that had ever happened to the North. Thats the untold truth.

You kept saying that the north wants to impose sharia on the rest of  Nigerians, is that supposed to be a joke or what?  I'm sure you know thats not true, but its a very shameful and petty excuse used by people who just cant handle the truth and their shortcomings.   Northern leaders do not give a hoot about sharia, its implementation would not be to their advantage, if anything, most of them dislike it even more than you do. However, they came up with the sharia label, because thats all they need to fire up the unsuspecting masses.  You need to go to the so-called sharia states (I am from one by the way) to see for yourself. The sharia saga was just another political gimmick to rally the people and hold on to power, and guessed what, It worked.  Sentiments aside, you got to commend the ingenuity of the leaders from the North in this game, they sure do know how to play their cards very well.


There is no way to say it better than via Nkem Owoh's song called "I go chop your dollar". When you replace "419" in that song with "Nigerian power politics", you'll get the perfect picture.  Say what you may, the Yorubas are gaining ground in this game as well, hence they've had some victories too.  The game is still on, and  many Igbos have realized the futility of blaming the North for all their political problems.  Instead of wallowing in perpetual victimhood , they have learned to put themselves and their leaders in the box. Soon, it'll be a different ball game, but folks like you are not helping the Igbo cause.


Our so-called leaders know too well  that the average Nigerian is a mugu, they just throw some ethnic/religious tension out there whenever the chips are down, and the average Nigerian would loose all senses and be led to the gallows.  Irrespective of which part of the country you come from, your leaders do not give a hoot about you. You seem very bitter about the status quo. Despite the donkey years northerners have been ruling this country, what have we really achieved in terms of developments compared to the other regions? about 70% of Nigerians suffering from abject poverty are Northerners, we lack social amenities et al.  Who knows, south-easterners could  have suffered the same fate if their leaders had been in power. So my fellow Nigerian, channel your anger somewhere else, cos we are all pawns in this game of power struggle. No northerner would come into power without a South-Easterner and South-Westerner behind him, it just would never happen.  Ethnic/religion tension is a means to justify the end (their pockets).

u got the part about the Northerners being able to play their cards right, But you cant convince me that there aint no religious zealots up in the north and all religious tensions was due to politics

Zamfara governor that introduced sharia initially in nigeria is a bonafide islamist ok,

As far as i am concerned the northerners are the least populated parts of nigeria with ijaw, bini, urhobo, itsekiri all outnumbering them, Assuming you are educated we can see that out northern neighbours (chad, niger and even some west african countries like mali which is bigger than nigeria in land) that have the same topography as northern nigeria dont even have more than 16million. so why would a desert be able to hold the 60million people claimed by the north, doesnt just add up, desert cant support such a vast array of humans period, and thats why i believe with their inferior number they've done a good job out playing the south

@Maple


You are wasting your time hitting the keyboard trying to give a sincere piece of your heart to these guys.
The best you could have done is ask for their home or office address and fedex boxes of tissue papers to them to wipe their tears.
Thousands of people visit nairaland daily, to read the so-called "Expert" views of these guys, and it amazes at how much fun they have reading their impassioned political gurgles. Let the victims have their fill. I think its therapy time for the ibos on this blog. Brace yourself for further Northern and Western bashing. And don't frown when you read words like: Sharia Imposing North, Traitor Yoruba freaks, Obasanjo the biggest problem, etc. I am sure Adam didnt even blame Eve that hard for his servitude when he got kicked out of Heaven for their waywardness.
Its a pity we have to live with their pain. But its theirs. Not mine. Isnt it?

Maple:

@Onlytruth,

As a Northerner, I believe it would be a total cliche' to drop some lines.  You seemed very reluctant to think outside the box as per this debate, despites Kobojunkie's incessant efforts to help.  All these saga is just a game of power play, and one has to see it as such if he/she wants to master it. The truth of the matter is, every regional, tribal, and religion entity is a participant in this game, but the Northern Muslims have won more than the other entities, WHY? because they've learned to play their cards very well, Simple.

How well have the Igbos played their cards, and what role did the Igbos played and are still playing in maintaining the status quo, have you asked yourself those questions? The dominance of the North in our country's politics did not happened overnight, the opportunity was offered on a silver plate, aftermaths the incidence of 1966.  If that coup had succeeded,  there would never have been a balance of power either. South-Easterners would probably be dominating this game today.  Although, that 1966 incident remained a stain in the history of our country, its the best thing that had ever happened to the North. Thats the untold truth.

You kept saying that the north wants to impose sharia on the rest of  Nigerians, is that supposed to be a joke or what?  I'm sure you know thats not true, but its a very shameful and petty excuse used by people who just cant handle the truth and their shortcomings.   Northern leaders do not give a hoot about sharia, its implementation would not be to their advantage, if anything, most of them dislike it even more than you do. However, they came up with the sharia label, because thats all they need to fire up the unsuspecting masses.  You need to go to the so-called sharia states (I am from one by the way) to see for yourself. The sharia saga was just another political gimmick to rally the people and hold on to power, and guessed what, It worked.  Sentiments aside, you got to commend the ingenuity of the leaders from the North in this game, they sure do know how to play their cards very well.


There is no way to say it better than via Nkem Owoh's song called "I go chop your dollar". When you replace "419" in that song with "Nigerian power politics", you'll get the perfect picture.  Say what you may, the Yorubas are gaining ground in this game as well, hence they've had some victories too.  The game is still on, and  many Igbos have realized the futility of blaming the North for all their political problems.  Instead of wallowing in perpetual victimhood , they have learned to put themselves and their leaders in the box. Soon, it'll be a different ball game, but folks like you are not helping the Igbo cause.


Our so-called leaders know too well  that the average Nigerian is a mugu, they just throw some ethnic/religious tension out there whenever the chips are down, and the average Nigerian would loose all senses and be led to the gallows.  Irrespective of which part of the country you come from, your leaders do not give a hoot about you. You seem very bitter about the status quo. Despite the donkey years northerners have been ruling this country, what have we really achieved in terms of developments compared to the other regions? about 70% of Nigerians suffering from abject poverty are Northerners, we lack social amenities et al.  Who knows, south-easterners could  have suffered the same fate if their leaders had been in power. So my fellow Nigerian, channel your anger somewhere else, cos we are all pawns in this game of power struggle. No northerner would come into power without a South-Easterner and South-Westerner behind him, it just would never happen.  Ethnic/religion tension is a means to justify the end (their pockets).

Whao! A Northerner at last I thought y'all been avoiding Nairaland like a plague 

Anyway, on a serious note, it is refreshing to get an educated northern perspectives on these issues from a northerner. Not responses from sycophants and a.s.s[/b]lickers like [b]aasog
If you've followed my posts you will realize that I'm happy that Igbos are now playing the Nigerian game, the same one that makes you lionize your northern brothers, but believe me we will soon overtake you guys. Just don't complain then, cos it is an immoral "dog eat dog" game. You and I should not be proud of such game because it is the cause of all Nigerian problems, and as you pointed out, it all began in 1966! I'd say it actually took off for real in 1970 (after the war).
I am a believer that the Igbo problem (low political profile ) in Nigeria is a direct product of our attempts to be patriotic (from Zik to Nnamani). If we have been Machiavellian, I have no doubt that we will be ruling Nigeria today. But, hold your horses, we have learned a lot. Before, we would be talking about some "justice, fairness, due process" bull.poo. But today, we only want more states. Period. I'd say give us a little more time and you will see my point. Those waiting for us to declare Biafra suffer from the same things they accuse us of.

@Igboboy

Thank you. Points well articulated.

@ onlytruth

You are nothing but a coward because you always wait for me to log out before posting your comments. You think I'm as jobless as you. I gat stuff to do men!


Honestly, I think it is all a matter of timing, I have work to do too.

Anyway , I see you are on your usual path.

I am glad you are now seeing the light.

Onlytruth:

Whao! A Northerner at last I thought y'all been avoiding Nairaland like a plague

Anyway, on a serious note, it is refreshing to get an educated northern perspectives on these issues from a northerner. Not responses from sycophants and a.s.s[/b]lickers like [b]aasog
If you've followed my posts you will realize that I'm happy that Igbos are now playing the Nigerian game, the same one that makes you lionize your northern brothers, but believe me we will soon overtake you guys. Just don't complain then, cos it is an immoral "dog eat dog" game. You and I should not be proud of such game because it is the cause of all Nigerian problems, and as you pointed out, it all began in 1966! I'd say it actually took off for real in 1970 (after the war).
I am a believer that the Igbo problem (low political profile ) in Nigeria is a direct product of our attempts to be patriotic (from Zik to Nnamani). If we have been Machiavellian, I have no doubt that we will be ruling Nigeria today. But, hold your horses, we have learned a lot. Before, we would be talking about some "justice, fairness, due process" bull.poo. But today, we only want more states. Period. I'd say give us a little more time and you will see my point. Those waiting for us to declare Biafra suffer from the same things they accuse us of.

More chop phooey!!! What were ibos playing during the war of 66? What have all the Ibo admirals and generals since then been playing? What was mbakwe playing? What were all the not so famous Ibos of those years playing? Please note, Ignorance NOT bliss.

aasog:

@Maple


You are wasting your time hitting the keyboard trying to give a sincere piece of your heart to these guys.
The best you could have done is ask for their home or office address and fedex boxes of tissue papers to them to wipe their tears.
Thousands of people visit nairaland daily, to read the so-called "Expert" views of these guys, and it amazes at how much fun they have reading their impassioned political gurgles. Let the victims have their fill. I think its therapy time for the ibos on this blog. Brace yourself for further Northern and Western bashing. And don't frown when you read words like: Sharia Imposing North, Traitor Yoruba freaks, Obasanjo the biggest problem, etc. I am sure Adam didnt even blame Eve that hard for his servitude when he got kicked out of Heaven for their waywardness.
Its a pity we have to live with their pain. But its theirs. Not mine. Isnt it?

therapy? you got that right, u need it onye ara

talking about shipping boxes of tissue paper u broke as modascuker who cant even afford pure water, mechionu gi