muhsin:

Is Farouk influenced in any way by anything Northern? I'll like to know.

No matter who you are in Northern Nigeria.The norm for you is to send your little child to an islamic school,where the child is forced (most times beaten) to cram words.As the child grows he becomes alienated from his southern comrades Unconsciously he regards his southern comrade as an enemy and has only deep affections for his northern friends and allies(Birds of the same feather flock together).
In time the child learns how western education is a sin and other silly fallacies.When his other age group down south are learning primary maths and english,he is carrying a slate ,sitting down on the grass and reciting God know what.

At age 17,when his agemate  in the south for example is being denied admission to Unilag for getting a jamb score of 250,he gets a score of 150 and is given admission at Ahmadu bello University or better still because he has rich parents ,he is sent to Ghana or togo to continue his education after carrying slates and later on to USA to earn an advanced degree.

The question is where did the mentality start?

asha 80:


Chavez cares for his people.Do nigerian leaders care about nigerians?

I think this a reminder that they have to develop this country so that we all can live here in peace.What are they running to US to do? is it not to enjoy good life and stack away our money? If this country becomes like SA,people will seek to come here and the world would want our friendship. Nigeria has got good weather for all seasons,see people freezing away in Europe and Asia but we are in bliss year in year out.

asha 80:


Chavez cares for his people.Do nigerian leaders care about nigerians?

So sad but it is very true. Nigerian leaders care about what they will steal. They don't care about Nigerians otherwise Yar'Adua will not be running to Saudi hospitals while our health sector needs serious help

I think America is right. The level of corruption in Nigeria is a threat to our national security and  all other aspects of life. Where people can easily be bought, everything is possible including breding of terror groups. Can you imagine the current problem in our presidency happening in any ideal society where there is no corruption. There is a thin line between corruption and insecurity. Do you think America will trust a nation where some elements are brave enough to forge the president's signature and seal?

the_truth:

So sad but it is very true. Nigerian leaders care about what they will steal. They don't care about Nigerians otherwise Yar'Adua will not be running to Saudi hospitals while our health sector needs serious help

At a point they said they wanted to transfer him to the US for further treatment.He is a terrorist, no VISA for him.Let Saudi Arabia ban him too,so that he will come and put Aso Rock clinic in order.Onye nwuru anwu na aga ije!

Dr Know:

I think America is right. The level of corruption in Nigeria is a threat to our national security and  all other aspects of life. Where people can easily be bought, everything is possible including breding of terror groups. Can you imagine the current problem in our presidency happening in any ideal society where there is no corruption. There is a thin line between corruption and insecurity. Do you think America will trust a nation where some elements are[b] brave enough to forge the president's signature and seal?

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hollandis:

No matter who you are in Northern Nigeria.The norm for you is to send your little child to an islamic school,where the child is forced (most times beaten) to cram words.As the child grows he becomes alienated from his southern comrades Unconsciously he regards his southern comrade as an enemy and has only deep affections for his northern friends and allies(Birds of the same feather flock together).
In time the child learns how western education is a sin and other silly fallacies.When his other age group down south are learning primary maths and english,he is carrying a slate ,sitting down on the grass and reciting God know what.

At age 17,when his agemate  in the south for example is being denied admission to Unilag for getting a jamb score of 250,he gets a score of 150 and is given admission at Ahmadu bello University or better still because he has rich parents ,he is sent to Ghana or togo to continue his education after carrying slates and later on to USA to earn an advanced degree.

The question is where did the mentality start?

This is a rather gross generalization, it is not the rule, but the exception. It's like saying everyone in the South is a militant/child witch

Chapelle.S:

At a point they said they wanted to transfer him to the US for further treatment.He is a terrorist, no VISA for him.Let Saudi Arabia ban him too,so that he will come and put Aso Rock clinic in order.Onye nwuru anwu na aga ije!

You have a point there. If Yar'Adua and all the leaders we have in nigeria were banned from travelling to any country. They will be forced to find a solution to Nigeria's problem.

All the leaders are all bunch of disgrace. They have disappointed everyone. Islam have disappointed Nigeria with killings, maiming an dnow suicide bombing.  I wonder why Islamist keep defending this savage cult instead of accepting their mistakes and find a solution.

America doesn't have problems with Nigerians, they have made that quite clear. The issue they have is with our leadership, through Todd Moss, they have stated in black and white that all they want is a Nigerian govt that can deliver projects and cares for the people; they actually said they don't care if the govt is scheming 15% off the top of everything as long as they deliver the goods. What more does our govt want that they have to start issuing ultimatums to a superpower? Before you know it, our govt will be painted as supporting terrorism; you know what follows that. We are being really st'upid with this ultimatum thing.
I posted an article from Todd Moss here https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-376642.0.html

JosBoy4Lif:

This is a rather gross generalization, it is not the rule, but the exception. It's like saying everyone in the South is a militant/child witch

Are you from katsina or kano?what do you know about the happenings n the north?

Beaf:

America doesn't have problems with Nigerians, they have made that quite clear. The issue they have is with our leadership, through Todd Moss, they have stated in black and white that all they want is a Nigerian govt that can deliver projects and cares for the people; they actually said they don't care if the govt is scheming 15% off the top of everything as long as they deliver the goods. What more does our govt want that they have to start issuing ultimatums to a superpower? Before you know it, our govt will be painted as supportting terrorism; you know what follows that. We are being really st'upid with this ultimatum thing.
I posted an article from Todd Moss here https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-376642.0.html

Who said we are silly? We are a sovereign nation that has got over 80million Christians.We are possibly one of the few nations on earth that has existed at the level of peace with Islam and Christianity in modern history.We cannot be tossed around by the US just like that.They should exercise restraint and respect the christian fold. If they want to search every Muslim dude going to the US unclothed that's their lot but suffering the over 80million Christian is not appropriate.When Abacha alienated the whole world what happened,did we all die off? If this is a wake up call to our foreign diplomacy let it be,let the politicians realize that they have to develop this country so tnat they will stop jumping planes every now and then abandoning their jobs and stacking money away in foreign banks.

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Sorry, but you are blaming the US for reacting strongly to the fact that we have no president at this time. The US has said it quite clearly and strongly that a huge factor in their reaction is that there is no voice of authority leading Nigeria. Whose fault is that?

I for one believe that we are better off allied to the West, there are others who's allegiences to Yemen and Saudi are much stronger than their allegiance even to Nigeria. That is a fact that has been evidenced in blood several times over in Northern religious riots, I will not be in a hurry to join the bandwagon of those saying we should swing our ship eastward, we have always been a non-aligned nation.

Beaf:

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Sorry, but you are blaming the US for reacting strongly to the fact that we have no president at this time. The US has said it quite clearly and strongly that a huge factor in their reaction is that there is no voice of authority leading Nigeria. Whose fault is that.

I for one believe that we are better off allied to the West, there are others who's allegiences to Yemen and Saudi are much stronger than their allegiance even to Nigeria. That is a fact that has been evidenced in blood several times over in Northern religious riots, I will not be in a hurry to join the bandwagon of those saying we should swing our ship eastward, we have always been a non-aligned nation.

I agree with you that we are better off aligning with civilised societies (the west) than terrorist states (Saudi Arabia, Yemen, Iran etc).

May God help us for a religion that have no respect for human lives. Their delight is to be killing people and come out in hypocrisy claiming to condemn it. The wealthy Muslims are the greatest sponsor of terror.

Now that Obama put it that way, American govt is right. Not only is terrorism a threat to to the US but it is a threat to Nigerians in Nigeria.
Any sensible government would have been taking precautionary measures in a country where muslims kill christians like cattle and have a terrorist group called boko haram whos sole purpose is antiwestern education.

I mean common sense would have told the Nigerian govt to put scanners at all airports in Nigeria and its international airports. If a Nigerian can bring a bomb on a plane to America, imagine what he can do to ABJ LAG PHC and local airports. Islam aside there are some sick in the head people in Nigeria including islamic extremist and militants. The Nigerian govt needs to grow up, if they dont care about Americas safety fine BUT they should keep in mind, Nigerians safety. What effects America truly does effect Nigeria.

the_truth:

I agree with you that we are better off aligning with civilised societies (the west) than terrorist states (Saudi Arabia, Yemen, Iran etc).

May God help us for a religion that have no respect for human lives. Their delight is to be killing people and come out in hypocrisy claiming to condemn it. The wealthy Muslims are the greatest sponsor of terror.

has nothing to do with islam or arabs because UAE is a tourist destination for EVERYONE.

The u.s is very right?
Don't we have extremists in the north or dosn't the government try to cover up all their misdeeds when they go on rampage and kill innocent souls and burn churches?
Yet the govt. is linient with them just becuz a northerner rules
as long as we keep allowing those irritating animals do their thing freely then we shuld expect what we get from a country who cares more about the safety of its people than listening to the protests of useless bigoted hypocrites

I am beginning to incline towards seeing this as more of a failing on the part of Nigeria and the Nigerian govt. than an unjustified blacklisting by the US of Nigeria. The truth is our system and society as a whole is failing - we all live behind high security walls, cannot travel at night, do not trust one another, uncontrollable religious intolerance, multiple unsolved (un-investigated?) mass murders predominantly religion/ethnically motivated, proliferation of arms and bombs, crime-ridden haven, aggressive and widespread oppression, chronic obsessive compulsive corruption, no health care system, collapsed educational structure, police?, customs?, immigration?,    in-short a completely dysfunctional system.

The recent terrorist attempt by a Nigerian from an upper class family (unlikely combination) was the final piece of the jigsaw. As a Nation we have been slowly building up to this new found status which is not going to go away for a while. The US is most probably echoing what most other countries think of us but were not bold enough to say out loud. If this will enable or force us to look inwards then all the better for us. We should be a country where other nationals are queuing at our embassies to come into Nigeria and not the other way round. Infact Nigeria, if functioning at its full potential, may even need to import oil because our daily production of 2m or so barrels may be insufficient to meet domestic demand - industrial, transportation etc -  within Nigeria! I wonder if we ever ask ourselves what these other countries do with all the oil they buy from us. They definitely do not drink it - their economy does - and in turn churns out finishing goods and services which they then sell to us at exorbitant prices.

We now need to take the bull of Nigeria by the horn and subject it and us to a rigorous and thorough overhaul. The components and processes of this overhaul is a separate discussion on its own. Anyway am sure we will wake up one day in the not too distant future.

The US should put US on the list as well, 5 suspected terrorist were caught in Pakistan, John Walker was an american Taliban, Nidal was a US citizen guilty of killing americans.

The US should put the UK on the list , the UK has produced more suspected terrorist and terrorist than any sub saharana african country.

The real issue here is Nigeria is an irrelevant country in the world affairs, Nigeria should follow the Chavez and Iranina route, but the problem is our leaders are shameless people. I guess when they face humilating interrogation at US airports they might buckle up. We have the weapon and its oil. The first thing is kick out Exon Mobil and Chevron from Nigeria and the game shall begin.

They talk of islamic schools as if terrorist are recruited in islamic schools, no single western terrorist attended any islamic school from the madrid bombers, 7/7 bombers, 9/11 bombers , the common thing these guys are always highly educated people. Nigeria should be wise enough no to cause another religious riots in Nigeria by closing islamic schools. Over 150 million Nigerian lives are worth more than silly American wishes.

The US is talking about intelligence when they were clearly incapable of stopping Fariq despite all the evidences they had (I call it foul play anyway), the bottom line they dont have the audacity to rubbish Nigeria , they should look at themselves and not look at people to shift the blame on. This is just plain bully in opinion.

If i were Obama i wud do more than that!
If we can't solve our pressing problems we can die in it but it shuldn't affect outsiders
it's funny how we talk about screwing bilateral relations with the u.s. just becuz we have oil!

@Lagosboy
The US has Obama, where is our Yar Adua? When you answer to that question you will find you aren't making much sense with your tirade against the US.
We have too many questions to answer.

Why blow up a u.s. plane when you can easily blow the nigerian senate house and all the miserable corrupt leaders with it
~pardom me if ur dad is a senator

@ Lagosboy.

Nigeria should follow the Chavez and Iraninan route

Are you serious? You want Nigeria (a secular state) to follow the model of a country where the Mullahs have imposed a brand of extreme Islam on its population. That has its citizen revolting against its oppressive government and being killed in the streets. A country that is a known sponsor of international terrorism. And how will our following their example lead to us restoring our tattered reputation. It will only make things worse. I can see you also mentioned Chavez & Venezuela. Considering that you feel he is worthy of emulation, I am sure you were not opposed to OBJ unconstitutional attempts to secure a 3rd term. After all Chavez is trying to make himself president for life (even Mugabe isn't that bad). Abeg if na joke stop am. How will you be recommending such examples.

@poster :

It is a shame.

I don't think this useless leader called Yar'Adua cares

But isn't there really a hint of terrorism in nigeria?
If boko haram could go on rampage against western civilization then what really is terrorism about?
Do you know if boko haram is quenched already or do you their next move?
Does the govt. care to watch?

AmakaOne:


http://abujathievescrooksandliarsnetwork..com/2009_07_01_archive.html

I would not want to call Obama a fraud but since he made the speech you quote , I think it is best to say that many folks , especially the usually disillusioned young people who broke with traditional political cynicism to back Obama , are now beginning to see that Obama is just another politician.

Quoting Obama's utterances is not as popular today as in the past because folks have become shamefully embarrassed at backing a man who has been unable to align overly grandiloquent promises with matching actions . If anything , many are now beginning to dissociate themselves from a man who promised much but whose subsequent actions have gone on to show that those who claim "politicians will be politicians" are right.  

In conclusion , I think only Obama's die hard fans will continue to view the man as a Messianic Preacher with the power to proclaim right and wrong on behalf of the World. Obama's put-down of Nigeria , in light of what he has gone on to do , now seems like the actions of an hypocritical man who is "playing to the gallery" by picking on the softest targets for the 'photo shoot'

adolfe bad:

But isn't there really a hint of terrorism in nigeria?
If boko haram could go on rampage against western civilization then what really is terrorism about?
Do you know if boko haram is quenched already or do you their next move?
Does the govt. care to watch?

If you have the time you can check this post and decide for yourself.

https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-377061.0.html

AmakaOne:


http://abujathievescrooksandliarsnetwork..com/2009_07_01_archive.html

So sad but true. The northerners want power by all means but they don't have vision for Nigeria.

Yar'Adua is visionless. He is sick and his head is full of saw dust. So how can someone like that rule Nigeria. He better resign to take care of himself.

Nonsense !!!!

Gbawe:

I would not want to call Obama a fraud but since he made the speech you quote , I think it is best to say that many folks , especially the usually disillusioned young people who broke with traditional political cynicism to back Obama , are now beginning to see that Obama is just another politician.

Quoting Obama's utterances is not as popular today as in the past because folks have become shamefully embarrassed at backing a man who has been unable to align overly grandiloquent promises with matching actions . If anything , many are now beginning to dissociate themselves from a man who promised much but whose subsequent actions have gone on to show that those who claim "politicians will be politicians" are right.  

In conclusion , I think only Obama's die hard fans will continue to view the man as a Messianic Preacher with the power to proclaim right and wrong on behalf of the World. Obama's put-down of Nigeria , in light of what he has gone on to do , now seems like the actions of an hypocritical man who is "playing to the gallery" by picking on the softest targets for the 'photo shoot'

Please, speak for yourself,

Obama's primary responsibility is to protect Americans, not to worry about your feelings in Nigeria,

Guys open your eyes.

The end game is AFRICOM.

With this blacklist, USA will force Nigeria Government to accept AFRICOM as only means which ensure that we are ready to track and do something about Al-KAIDA.

But we know AFRICOM is more about Nigeria's Oil as for safety of Nigerians or Americans!