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Re: Civil war not against Ndigbo — Gowon by ebioloye1: 1:07pm On Feb 15, 2010 |
gowon you don your own story your time don pass thank you |
Re: Civil war not against Ndigbo — Gowon by otondo55: 1:48pm On Feb 15, 2010 |
What do life mean to you? Talking from four compass points of his mouth, Gowon your responsibility of this atrocity shall never leave you, your co-ploters and your descendants ! And you Benjamin Adekunle (aka Black scorpion) life will forever be sore to you and your generations. co-ordinator of this Nigeria: The Series starting on this note you are a failure alread-failed stay with your Nigeria aka corrupted failed state.
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Re: Civil war not against Ndigbo — Gowon by KnowAll(m): 2:01pm On Feb 15, 2010 |
Gowon is right, the civil war is not against the Ndigbo’s but against a selfish and self centred man called Ojukwu. He lead his people unto the battle field, only to flee when they needed him most. Any wise Igbo man should see him as a coward and opportunist that he is. His remnant rag tag army who has being disillusioned for years has finally found solace and their voices on the internet, they would beg to differ. The internet the last bastion for cowards and simpletons in the world today is where these rogue and faceless unit has chosen to show any semblance of bravado by putting up a rather mundane posturing, the earlier these defeated soldiers of misfortune realise the war has being over 40 years ago the better it would be for them and their families. ![]() |
Re: Civil war not against Ndigbo — Gowon by Nobody: 2:27pm On Feb 15, 2010 |
Afam:January and July 1966 Coups My course started around January 1966 and when I heard that a coup had taken place in Nigeria, I was shocked. There was no hint that junior officers were up to such a thing. Many military and political leaders were killed then. Aguyi Ironsi, who had taken over as the GOC from General Welby Everald, became the Head of State. People however, thought Ironsi did not take any action against the officers, who staged the coup, or that perhaps he was slow in taking any action against the coupists. This accusation went round the nation and unfortunately, another coup took place in which Ironsi was killed. I personally feel he was slow in acting and that might have brought the second coup. A lot of the people killed in the first couple were from the North. Some people felt it was an Igbo coup. When the second coup took place and Ironsi and others were killed, some people also felt it was an Hausa coup. He had visited the Western Region on 28 July, 1966. Danjuma was on the entourage of Ironsi to Mid-West and West where Ironsi was assassinated with Fajuyi. One must not blame Victoria Ironsi for being hard on Danjuma. They assassinated her husband and left her to cater for eight children all alone. She did not believe what happened could happen because all of us (officers) were doing everything together when we were in Kaduna. I’m sure if the same thing happens to me my wife will go haywire. It is true that if you were on somebody’s entourage, it is your duty to protect him. If such an officer on the entourage of the Head of State is the most senior of the group, naturally, if he doesn’t personally use his gun to kill that senior officer, somebody from the group did the killing. Let us be honest: who arranged the bringing down of Ironsi and Fajuyi? If Danjuma is the one that brought them down, that means that there was a gang- up to summon down officers like Ironsi. I think Danjuma is not being fair. His job on the entourage of the Head of State is beyond ordinary. He should be the one to be first hit if anything is aimed at the Head of State. At the same time, I can also sympathise with Danjuma for not saying he killed Ironsi. If I did it, I won’t say I kill somebody unless I was met during the process. The only people that were not really involved were the Yoruba, although we also had our internal problems. We did not partake in the first and the second coup and our men were killed. Some people talk about Wale Ademoyega, Ifeajuna’s friend. That one is a rascal. We know the people that are rascals. They were university boys, who wanted to get to the top before their forefathers. The civil war We were running the government when suddenly Ojukwu said he could not work under Gowon because they were contemporary at the Army Headquartres. That was when the problem with the East started. It led to civil war which lasted for 30 months. Before the civil war, we negotiated with Ojukwu individually and collectively. We went to Aburi in Ghana to settle the impasse. Unfortunately, both parties could not agree on certain grey arrears. I now said let me make the last effort in talking with Ojukwu. I told Gowon and he obliged me to go and meet Ojukwu in Onitsha. I thought the governor of Mid-West, David Ejoor, would go with me, but he was unavailable. So, I had to risk going alone. I discussed at length with Ojukwu. That was the day one of Chief Awolowo’s daughters was getting married and I was supposed to be at that wedding. But I felt I should first attend to an important national issue. That was why I went to meet Ojukwu. My wife, however, went to the wedding and I hoped I would meet them at the reception after the meeting with Ojukwu. And I did. Tension had mounted at the reception when they did not see me. People felt Ojukwu had taken or killed me in Onitsha. A big shout greeted my arrival later. Ojukwu’s aim during the war was to capture Lagos. He had to move through Mid-west and the West to Lagos. When I knew they had approached us, I called my engineers at the Ministry of Works and asked them what to do to prevent the rebels from capturing the West. One of the, Engineer Akande (now late) informed me that there were some explosives we could use to blow all the bridges in West. He spotted all the bridges surrounding West and Mid-West. So, when the rebels got too close to us, I asked Akande to blow all the bridges. Because of the noise of the explosions, the Biafran people thought we’ve already got big guns to fight. Ojukwu knew the type of weapons we had when we were together anyway. That was how I saved the West and Lagos. Benjamin Adekunle was then commanding the Nigerian troops. When Adekunle was getting tired at the war front we taught he should be replaced for we did not want to lose the areas he had captured. Olusegun Obasanjo was later appointed to take over from Adekunle. Luckily, for Obasanjo, he wrapped up the war. The war that was nearing completion and he got the credit on the platter of gold. Things returned to normal but it appeared Gowon had overstayed. Another coup brought Muritala Muhammad. He too was assassinated in another coup attempt six months after. Obasanjo, again a lucky man, came to the seat. Another thing he did was to follow Murtala’s programme by handing over power to a civilian in 1979. He handed over to Shagari. Then, a chain of coup followed until 1999. That man spent only four years when Buhari overthrew him. Buhari himself was overthrown by Ibrahim Babangida, who left office disgruntledly. Sanni Abacha later kicked out the Interim Administration of Ernest Shonekan, which Babangida left. Abacha died in office after five years. Abdulsalami Abubakar was to later return the country to the civilian regime of Obasanjo. Where we went wrong The first and second coup. The first coup was labelled Igbo, the second, Hausa coup. That has caused trouble and distrust all over the country. We Yoruba don’t know our worth. We should be the beautiful bride of the country. We did not take part in any coup.quote from General Robert Adeyinka Adebayo, the former Military Governor of Western Region |
Re: Civil war not against Ndigbo — Gowon by citizenY(m): 2:40pm On Feb 15, 2010 |
quote from Eastbay #286 on: Today at 12:46:08 PM » We haven't learnt anything from the war,that's why history keeps repeating itself.If Nzeogwu led the first coup,does that mean we visit the "sins "of one man on an entire tribe? All you are transmitting is what you heard, abi? Why you wan spoil case now? I ask my own:- Is it fair to visit the sins of a father on his children or relations? I guess , going by your age, you are in a better position to answer that question. |
Re: Civil war not against Ndigbo — Gowon by Nobody: 2:52pm On Feb 15, 2010 |
@afam----do you know about this?**** “Orizu made a nationwide broadcast, reading a military prepared speech, announcing the cabinet ’s ‘voluntary’ decision to transfer power to the armed forces. Ironsi then made his own broadcast, accepting the ‘invitation.’ “On January 17, Ironsi established the Supreme Military Council in Lagos and announced Decree No. 1, effectively suspending the Constitution. Later that day, Major Chukwuma Nzeogwu, the leader of the revolt in the northern region negotiated a conditional surrender in which Ironsi agreed not to bring the mutineers to military trial. Although the mutiny was practically over, military rule had arrived. Nigeria ‘s first democratic experiment was effectively over. This would set up the Biafran War. |
Re: Civil war not against Ndigbo — Gowon by Afam(m): 3:08pm On Feb 15, 2010 |
~Bluetooth: The reality is that the more you prolong your acknowledgment of your mistakes the more your credibility suffers. What Ironsi did after the war was never an issue I chose to comment on. I got involved on this thread based on the 2 clear lies you told. 1. That Ironsi led the first coup. 2. That Ironsi killed a lot of Yorubas and Hausas. Until you address these lies properly I can assure you that you are wasting your time asking me any questions. I don't discuss with liars and I detest them, simple. Even Ndu_Chucks who claimed Nzeogwu was an Easterner and tried to defend such open lie admitted he was very wrong and has since moved on and you are here browsing and pasting irrelevant content rather than address the 2 clear lies you told. @topic, Those who claim the Igbos are complaining about the war seem not to get the crux of the matter. As for me Biafra ended as a project in 1970 when the war ended and I believe the Igbos have moved on with their lives. What I cannot stand (and I believe a lot of Igbos on this thread) is the deliberate misinformation and lies being told by some of us about what happened. Such lies must not stand even if passed from generation to generation by those desperate to hide the truth even from their own children. Unless of course some of us are saying that lies are part of our lives I don't see how the need to correct lies has translated into Igbos complaining about the war. |
Re: Civil war not against Ndigbo — Gowon by andychucks: 3:21pm On Feb 15, 2010 |
gowon or goglose or any u called ur self u are the biggest fool on this planet |
Re: Civil war not against Ndigbo — Gowon by Nobody: 3:37pm On Feb 15, 2010 |
Afam:The coup took the lives of Nigeria ’s first civilian president, Sir Abubakar Tafawa Balewa, former premier of Northern region and Saudauna of Sokoto, Alhaji Ahmadu Bello, and former premier of Western region, Chief Ladoke Akintola and the military officers shot on the night of January 14, 1966 were Brigadier Ademulegun, Colonels Ralphs Shodeinde, Pam, Abogo Largema, Chris Unegbe and Zakari Maimalari.i didnt say ironsi led the coup.what i said was that since he was the beneficiary of the coup and his failure to execute the coupist despite agitation from the northerners pointed his his complicity to the coup. |
Re: Civil war not against Ndigbo — Gowon by Afam(m): 3:43pm On Feb 15, 2010 |
~Bluetooth: I have zero tolerance for liars and I will not bother reproducing the lie you are denying now. Just get lost shameless liar. You disgust me. Your lies are clear for all to see and you shamelessly deny them? Did you edit your post? If yes, were you able to edit mine because I reproduced those lies as your quotes? Your credibility is zero, I am done with you. Only desperate people lie the way you do. I have nothing against you as a person but for denying your lies so openly I must confess that you represent the scum of the earth. |
Re: Civil war not against Ndigbo — Gowon by Nobody: 3:51pm On Feb 15, 2010 |
Afam:i understand your frustration but i will be glad if you can edit that post,please. |
Re: Civil war not against Ndigbo — Gowon by 0hsisi: 3:57pm On Feb 15, 2010 |
Say anything Biafra and the usual ugly baboons of Nigeria crawl out of under their rocks to talk rubbish. Are we surprised? |
Re: Civil war not against Ndigbo — Gowon by musterion(m): 4:02pm On Feb 15, 2010 |
How can we move on as a country if we dont discuss our past? How can we just let bygones be bygones when the root causes have not yet been ascertained? Ours is just a country sewn with thread and needle. Tribalism runs so deep in us because our leaders feel so reluctant to discuss the terms of our union. Injustices of the past are deliberately left unresolved. New issues crop up and are militarily handled. Really, the rest of the world moves on, while we just stand still. May our oil reserves dry up. May be then, we'll easily gain the mutual respect that we so need to stay as one! |
Re: Civil war not against Ndigbo — Gowon by edoyad(m): 4:15pm On Feb 15, 2010 |
The problem with Nigeria is that the govt hasn't helped matters by blocking out this era from our school curricula. I'm just learning somethings albeit they might not be entirely right; from what I've read i can see that the war resulted from a coup gone wrong and some officers failure to carry out their roles in the coup giving the impression of bias. |
Re: Civil war not against Ndigbo — Gowon by Nobody: 4:20pm On Feb 15, 2010 |
edoyad:yeah,igbo coup vs hausa coup |
Re: Civil war not against Ndigbo — Gowon by citizenY(m): 4:24pm On Feb 15, 2010 |
^^^^^^ Honest advice Mr. Musterion You first of all have to come to terms with your circumstance before you can be in the right frame of mind to forgive. You know yourself better than anyone else. Could you honestly continue playing the victim card, after hearing various versions of the same story? were you the only aggrieved? |
Re: Civil war not against Ndigbo — Gowon by connkg(m): 4:38pm On Feb 15, 2010 |
I observe with dismay the portent of many non-Igbos here. There is truth and there is falsehood. I appreciated non-Igbo counters until I got to realise that, as usual, they do not and may never have known their Igbo neighbours. I will be brief in my contribution and deductive surmisings: 1. Igbos do not have a Sultan or an Oba. There has NEVER been a single paramount ruler. They are ruled by a council of chiefs, from which one was chosen as a head based on the "covering" of other families' lines. This means that if a younger brother dies before an elder one, that family was closed till other families had contributed a person to the "Obi" stool. This is usually the case in most Igbo-speaking areas. When an Igbo was born, he was born free and could become the chief of his village or anything he desired. This means, as the Igbos say, "No Igbo is greater than his brother". My point: Those who say "The Igbos are divided" lack understanding. No one Igbo - not even Dim Ojukwu - can contest for President without stating WHY he alone can stand. There could also be a million other contenders, as long as there are platforms. There is no recourse to a 'special political anointing' by a clan/ race head. The Igbos are united where they decide - at the grassroots. This pressures the chief-council and the leader. When the grassroots cough, their leader better cough. Citizen Y, this lecture is actually for you. 2. Igbos lost everything during the War. I have read so much about Western Nigeria having so much education. Well and good. A lot of those proponents never realise (or work in the fact) that the Igbo education was destroyed. Students (Fathers and Mothers of most of the Igbo writers here) lost their schooling. Many never recovered. To whom does a secondary/ University/ Polytechnic student go to after three years, without any papers or recognisable school-authority face and prove his educational status? Undergrads were recalled/ conscripted to fight. Almost ALL who survived re-took their A levels and tried to get into any course at U.I. Seek and find, almost all Igbo educated at requisite age-bracket (youth at the time) schooled in the West. This is the same reason why most of today's pensioners, military or otherwise, are not Igbo. (Others take note). 3. The average Igbo man knows the cost of War. Whether in older relatives with fingers missing, or just in stories within the family. There is HARDLY any family that did not lose a man, believe me. Hardly. Many believe, though, that the War was necessary especially because the majority felt the need to defend themselves from an aggressor. On this point, I will keep to facts. "They felt the need" is what I said. It is open to you to read about the activities/ incidents preceding. Then conclude if it was justifiable. Thing is, make no mistake, IF the groundswell is ever as much, ignition remains a possibility. Remember, there is no paramount chief. The people speak and things have, more or less, been the same in terms of the causatives. It is for this same reason that most older Igbos DO NOT want another War. Yes, they believe something must give, but not by reacting at same level as before. Unfortunately, the generation directly behind them are the militants of MASSOB. The immediate next are aware and watching. 4. Igbos built their region themselves after the War. This is not just pride. In some States in the SouthEast, there was not a Federal Secretariat or anything since 1970s. Enugu had what it did, as its position as the Region capital. That the Igbos became known for trade began AFTER the War, not before. That the Igbo began to 'love' money began AFTER the War, not before. That the Igbo no longer 'go to school' began then. They are still building their Region. I will like to go on, but I want this easy to digest. My deductive conclusion as a True Nationalist (in my view) is that Mr. Gowon could have fought for the Oil rich Delta only. He got that first before pushing inland. If it were for Oil, Bluetooth, he could have taken it. He wanted the PEOPLE who, as he put it, "wanted to destroy the country…". Tundewoods, those people were NOT French. |
Re: Civil war not against Ndigbo — Gowon by Timmi: 4:46pm On Feb 15, 2010 |
Those of you that are commenting on this thread have lost your credibility because your comments have no relevance to what Gowon said, but rather your comments are biased and are fallacious. Reproduced below from the original post is Gowon's comment: "FORTY years after the Nigerian Civil War former Head of State, Gen. Yakubu Gowon, has said the war was not against Ndigbo but against those that wanted to destroy the country. Gowon made the claim on Tuesday at the special presentation of the TV series entitled, “Nigeria: The Series” held at Terra Kulture, Victoria Island, Lagos. He said, since the series is about telling the Nigerian story as it should be told it was pertinent to clear the air concerning the Nigerian civil war. Gowon said the war was not to fight Ndigbo but to find a better way to settle the rift in the country then. “Nigeria as a country would have been a failure if the Igbo race had been allowed to leave the country Nigeria because they have contributed immensely to the growth and development of this country,” he said. Gowon said it was high time Nigerians believed in their country and supported its project. What he said is factual and his comments on moving Nigeria forward is what every patriotic Nigeiran should follow. Anything else are spurious charges and innuendoes. |
Re: Civil war not against Ndigbo — Gowon by biggjoe(m): 4:49pm On Feb 15, 2010 |
before nigeria can move forward as a nation, we have to address this issue of civil war first. How can some people here wonder why igbos havent moved on, complaining and playing victim when no one has attempted to address the issues they complain about. Rwandan Hutsis and Tutsis have been able to move on today because they addressed their conflict era and people apologizd to each other. There was no national policy that tried to cover up what happened during that period. Today, their killing fields are now museums where all can go and learn. Again, people who are justifying killing of igbos because the january 66 coup is an igbo coup should understand that such kind of rationalization is what is causing all the tribal and secteran violence in the country today which people complain about. If an hausa man is killed in Jos, thousands of other tribes will be killed in retaliation elsewhere in the north and nobody will be punished. Such things will continue until the civil war issues are addressed. |
Re: Civil war not against Ndigbo — Gowon by olafolarin(m): 4:57pm On Feb 15, 2010 |
"I want to see no Red Cross, no Caritas, no World Council of Churches, no Pope, no missionary and no UN delegation. I want to prevent even one Igbo from having even one piece to eat before their capitulation. We shoot at everything that moves, and when our forces move into Igbo territory, we even shoot things that do not move, " As controversial and blood thirsty the above highlighted paragraph may seem,we all need to realize that Benjamin Adekunle is a soldier commanding a war for his Country(Nigeria) against Biafra(percieved enemy). He was a soldier committed to the Sovereignty of Nigeria.despite the fact that Yorubas lost many senior officers in both 1966 coup.Do we expect Adekunle as the leader of Federal forces to be sympathetic to Ojukwu's seccessionist plan? ~Bluetooth: |
Re: Civil war not against Ndigbo — Gowon by Robertpapi: 5:01pm On Feb 15, 2010 |
You have just said it all , Case closed! |
Re: Civil war not against Ndigbo — Gowon by citizenY(m): 5:02pm On Feb 15, 2010 |
@conn-kg I appreciate your position, I feel terrible about the whole saga and honestly wished it never happened. But then I do not see why you have to dedicate your post , or a section of it to me. If you tell me about the civil war, you are preaching to the converted. If you continue to flash the victim card by all types of props and stunts, I do not agree. You were not the only victims, remember. |
Re: Civil war not against Ndigbo — Gowon by tunde1200(m): 5:03pm On Feb 15, 2010 |
we need to forgive ourselves or we remain backward as ever be its a pity we are still on such issue ![]() |
Re: Civil war not against Ndigbo — Gowon by joeyfire(m): 5:09pm On Feb 15, 2010 |
Gowon should respect his old age and shut his confused mouth. That S.O.B sat down sipping brandy and answering ''ranka dede'' on the phone while hospitals and schools were being bombed in biafra. To hell with him, umaru dikko and the rest of that disgraced generation. We have seen what good they had in store for their Nigeria. As for Gowon his beloved Jos is now under siege and he may live to see it taken over by his masters finally. |
Re: Civil war not against Ndigbo — Gowon by musterion(m): 5:11pm On Feb 15, 2010 |
That war, that civil war, jump-started so many attrocities in dis country. Tribalism became a political tool because of it. How? Our politicians can go away with anything because he can alwaz buy tribal sentiments. If we as a country must be one, then we must discuss and appreciate our differences. Our past must be discussed. Injustices must be addressed. If we dont do dat, history will keep repeating |
Re: Civil war not against Ndigbo — Gowon by babapupa: 5:38pm On Feb 15, 2010 |
Timmi: Of course we all know Gowan didn't spew any fallacies, some Igbo people are just bent on re writing history and forcing their insecurities and paranoia on the rest of the country. They are obviously trying to have it both ways. An Igbo man was the president of the same country they tried to overthrow, they were part of the same rotten and corrupt system before and after the war, another Igboman was the vice president of the rotten second republic, Igbo men and women are ministers, governors and directors of government agencies and parastatals, they are major power brokers within the same corrupt system called Nigeria. The fact is, only online foot soldiers are creaming and yelling about Biafra, you're equally dirty and rotten like the rest of the country, their leaders don't give a damn about Biafra, they didn't back then and still don't give a damn today, they are looting away just like the rest of Nigeria. In wars, there's got to be a winner and a loser, you rolled the dice and you lost so shut da hell up and quit winning like we owe you something, we don't owe you a damn thing and you need to stop bugging us with your useless cry baby acts. If you like, roll your dice again, I'll be more than glad to wish you good look. What if the outcome of the civil war was the other way around? Are you gona be sitting here winning or give a damn about Nigeria/Hausaland/Yorubaland. Knowing b1tchy and insecure you guys are, yd probably be shitting on us at will. I really can't help but thank God you guys got your ass whooped back to reality. Who started the whole mess anyways, Igbo people of course. You guys set us on the dangerous path the country is in today with the first coup then the civil war. Now you're running around acting like little sissy victims and blaming everybody outside of their borders for decisions made within their borders. And if they feel so bad and convinced that they're bad and got it like that, then spare us the tuff talk and go for it. It's your choice. But of course we all know their leaders don't give a damn about Biafra, just emotional online foot soldiers crying and yelling as usual. |
Re: Civil war not against Ndigbo — Gowon by bisiaet: 5:40pm On Feb 15, 2010 |
But my fellow Nigerians why all these issue springing up and cause so much verbal attack on each other all the time. I think we have moved out of this and I can not imagine our generation talking about this(Biafra) even many are not born then so why bothering our heads with issue like this. Yakubu Gowon spoke iether truth or lie in what way does what he said connected to Yoruba and so many nasty words are posted on this site why cant you my fellow Ibo men face Gowon who made a speech rather than going somewhere else? Pls in a good faith with no been critical of anybody pls in the first place why should civil war broke out in the first place? What is the reason behind it then? Can the so called Ojukwu be honest to himself to tell us the reason behind his move geniuely? Let stop all these rants and vengeance it is just baseless to me because I still don't know the reason behind Biafra in the first place. Pls this is nt to offend anybody at all because so many are ready to say anything without weighing the implication, if you called yourself a mature person with bright mind No need to insult or verbally attack or say nasty things to your fellow posters No need!!!! pls grow up. |
Re: Civil war not against Ndigbo — Gowon by ZE: 5:53pm On Feb 15, 2010 |
As far as i am concerned BLUETOOTH OR ANIMALTOOTH or what ever you call your self, your time is over. I see you as a confused fo*l. Point of correction Afam, Biafra is not a project that has ended since 1970. It is not yet over. If you doubt me, save this post and call it up sometime in the future. Mark my words, those innocent men, women and children did not die and can never die for nothing. |
Re: Civil war not against Ndigbo — Gowon by Nobody: 6:02pm On Feb 15, 2010 |
bisiaet:nicely said but only if the igbos will stop blaming yoruba unnecessarily. |
Re: Civil war not against Ndigbo — Gowon by asha80(m): 6:06pm On Feb 15, 2010 |
~Bluetooth: Was anyone blaming the yoruba before you jumped in with your ignorant rants ![]() |
Re: Civil war not against Ndigbo — Gowon by Petosh(m): 6:17pm On Feb 15, 2010 |
o pls enuff! the igbos didnt kill anyone in the war? i lost relations in my state-the midwest,then- to the biafrans.wen they over ran ososo.Gowon is an asswipe!but enuff of the ''we-were-specially-selected-to-be-wiped-out-crap!it pisses me off wen igbos talk about how marginalised they are.what about the minority tribes who have no voice?why are we not whining?we live with marginalisation!so no ndigbo should tell me about the M-word. |
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