agaugust:

My pleasure...

"The Hamilton class cutter was the largest class of vessel in the United States Coast Guard until replaced by the National Security Cutter, aside from the Polar Ice Breakers. The hull classification symbol is prefixed WHEC. The cutters are called "Hamilton class" after their lead ship, or "Secretary class" because most of them were named for former Secretaries of the Treasury (with the exception of "Hero Class cutters" Jarvis, Munro and Midgett,). They are powered by a CODOG (Combined Diesel or Gas) system consisting of two diesel engines and two gas turbines, and have controllable pitch propellers. Equipped with a helicopter flight deck, retractable hangar, and the facilities to support helicopter deployment, these 12 cutters were introduced to the Coast Guard inventory in the 1960s. Beginning in the 1980s and ending in 1992, the entire class was modernized through the Fleet Rehabilitation and Modernization (FRAM) program."

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HAHAHAHA!!

You avoided showing us the Radar Range!!

And I know why!!

Patchesagain:

Nope, Hamilton Class uses the AN/SPS-55 short-range radar
http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/systems/ship/whec-378-specs.htm

It has a range of around 92km
http://fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/ship/weaps/an-sps-55.htm

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patches689: Augugbug you should be thanking us for coming and helping you

I don't see Nigeria on the list of your source, I see Angola and Namibia.

You have NOT even sailed a ship to Angola yet, your plan of 2015 depends on availability of fuel in South Africa's low supply, ask SAAF
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agaugust:

I don't see Nigeria on the list of your source, I see Angola and Namibia.

You have NOT even sailed a ship to Angola yet, your plan of 2015 depends on availability of fuel in South Africa's low supply, ask SAAF
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Where is the Gulf of Guinea?

patches689:

Valour Class is a warship

Hamilton Class is a gun-boat

Simple

And proof please about your magical radar

And that magical radar did not stop you from CRASHING one of your Hamilton class cutters into another ship.

This guy talks about hunting pirates but the crew of the ship cannot even see boats they sail into

NNS Thunder is still sailing to Australia.

Last time I checked, South African navy frigate SAS Kruger crashed into a sister ship during exercises at home and your own frigate sailed to the bottom of the ocean for ever
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agaugust:

NNS Thunder is still sailing to Australia.

Last time I checked, South African navy frigate SAS Kruger crashed into a sister ship during exercises at home and your own frigate sailed to the bottom of the ocean for ever
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O really?

So we are comparing ships. And now you bring up a ship we are not even talking about for the sake of an insult?

Should I start outlining the no less than 8 accidents the Aradu has had?

Or the fact that your navy has blown up no less than 3 of its own ships?

Yeah, thanks for playing.

Now go back to w@nking over your imaginary 500km radar systems

GreenandGold:

Range means you can travel that much without refueling.

still dumb,if it has 15,000km range then it only has 7,500km range without refueling.

PrinxArthur1: still dumb,if it has 15,000km range then it only has 7,500km range without refueling.

No, it means you can travel 15,000km BEFORE you need to re-fuel.

Good lord man.

Patchesagain:

No, it means you can travel 15,000km BEFORE you need to re-fuel.

Good lord man.

REFUEL AT WHO'S BACK YARD?

patches689: DefenceWeb sets the record straight

Nigeria will in the future take delivery of a number of new helicopters from Russia after concluding a deal with the country in August. Sergei Goreslavsky, a deputy director general at Rostec, told ITAR-TASS that the contract involves “a significant number of Mi-171Sh helicopters and several Mi-35M helicopters.” Rosoboronexport, which sells Russia’s military equipment overseas, falls under Rostec.

In April this year the Nigerian Chief of Air Staff Air Marshal Adesola Amosu announced that new fighters and helicopters would be acquired for the Air Force. The Nigerian Budget Office has allocated funding for six Mi-35Ms this year. The Nigerian Air Force currently flies around eight of the type. Nigerian media report that the Air Force has ordered 40 helicopters from the United States and Russia but did not specify which models.

Lol, a "significant"number of your 40 helos are just normal transports

Unfortunately for you, the Mi-171Sh is an armed helicopter for combat and troop transport, with more weapon stations than the Mi-35M Hind, ALL the 40 Nigerian helicopters ordered are combat-attack-transport, sorry Fool, you lose again...

[img]http://beegeagle.files./2011/09/terminator-mi-8amtshexport-modelmi-171shassaulttransport-helicopter1.jpg[/img]

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Patchesagain:

And then we start supplying the 18 different rebel groups in your country with weapons.

We don't have 18 rebel groups.

Where will you land? Niger Delta? MEND fighters are anxiously waiting to k.ill South Africans in revenge for Henry Okah !

Welcome into the mangrove swamps, that is where MEND militants will bury y.ou
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agaugust:

Unfortunately for you, the Mi-171Sh is an armed helicopter for combat and troop transport, with more weapon stations than the Mi-35M Hind, ALL the 40 Nigerian helicopters ordered are combat-attack-transport, sorry Fool, you lose again...

[img]http://beegeagle.files./2011/09/terminator-mi-8amtshexport-modelmi-171shassaulttransport-helicopter1.jpg[/img]

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Its a sitting duck

Beyond obsolete.

And none of them exist yet - just like your magical 500km range radar

And the only one who has lost here is you (this entire piracy debate has been so much fun for me)

agaugust:

We don't have 18 rebel groups.

Where will you land? Niger Delta? MEND fighters are anxiously waiting to k.ill South Africans in revenge for Henry Okah !

Welcome into the mangrove swamps, that is where MEND militants will bury y.ou
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We dont want to land anywhere in your sh1thole country

agaugust:

We don't have 18 rebel groups.


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Sorry, its 12 or so

Ansaru
Arewa People's Congress
Bakassi Boys
Bakassi Movement for Self-Determination
Boko Haram
Egbesu
Ijw Youth Council
Movement for the Emancipation of the Niger Delta
Niger Delta Liberation Front
Niger Delta People's Volunteer Force
Niger Delta Vigilante
Oodu Peoples Congress
Yan Tatsine

PrinxArthur1: REFUEL AT WHO'S BACK YARD?

Anywhere we feel like, we have the SAS Drakensberg.

agaugust:

We don't have 18 rebel groups.

Where will you land? Niger Delta? MEND fighters are anxiously waiting to k.ill South Africans in revenge for Henry Okah !

Welcome into the mangrove swamps, that is where MEND militants will bury y.ou
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Just because it buried your armed forces.

Patchesagain:

Nope, Hamilton Class uses the AN/SPS-55 short-range radar
http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/systems/ship/whec-378-specs.htm

It has a range of around 92km
http://fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/ship/weaps/an-sps-55.htm

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You just boomed yourself skyhigh

Your source does NOT say AN/SPS-55 radar, how the fvck did you mix your brain with custard ?

I prove you wrong below, 250nM is approx 500km. Go fvck your 180km radar short-sighted Valour frigates...fool

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GreenandGold:

Anywhere we feel like, we have the SAS Drakensburg.

it seems SAS Drakensburg is god over at ur brown water navy

abububu, its about time you were hit by the SPAM-BOT...

GreenandGold:

Anywhere we feel like, we have the SAS Drakensberg.

How many ships will share the 5,500 tonnes extra fuel? How many tonnes refuels one frigate?

I said some frigates need 4,000 tonnes to fill tank, so how many days will ALL your ships stay at sea in Gulf Of Guinea?

Or you return home as soon as you arrive? How do you patrol around in circles from Angola to Ghana, or are you just coming to mark register that you came and left immediately ?

South Africa has ZERO experience of piracy war at sea

See all the logistics and fuel problems Nigerians are showing you now? You never though about the distance and ship max range

You want to be tall, but your two legs are too short

SAN = Sea Dwarf
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Patchesagain:

Where is the Gulf of Guinea?

How many countries were named in your source ?
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Patchesagain:

Sorry, its 12 or so

Ansaru
Arewa People's Congress
Bakassi Boys
Bakassi Movement for Self-Determination
Boko Haram
Egbesu
Ijw Youth Council
Movement for the Emancipation of the Niger Delta
Niger Delta Liberation Front
Niger Delta People's Volunteer Force
Niger Delta Vigilante
Oodu Peoples Congress
Yan Tatsine

Why don't you add, the PDP, APC , Labour party, Brigade boys and girls guild to your imaginary list.


Anyway, the ANC, Mandela, O.R thambo, Thabo mbeki and the retarrd Zuma are all terrorist group and terrorists respectively.

Patchesagain:

Ok.

Explain this to me.

How do they "speed off" in a massive 300,000 tonne ship that can only move at 12 knots?

It seems that the Nigerian Navy has no idea what they are doing.

No wonder you are the worlds new piracy hotspot

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Nigeria uses high speed interceptor Shaldags with radar and FLIR to speed chase/catch pirates.

South African navy has NO sea interceptors [/size]



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Patchesagain:


First you do NOT need data-link to guide artillery, how did coastal artillery work in World War II when data-link did not exist?

They fired at targets they could see.

Can you see 22km?

Artillery is guided by gunner calculated Azimuth co-ordinates NOT data-link, please go join a police thread, ignorance is a disease !

I know that

And does he just magically know the co-ords?

Some one has to tell him. And there are many links in the chain from the unit detecting the vessel to the gunners.

Data-links remove all the links in the chain, the batter commander can see exactly what the plane can

So, without a data-link, even if there is a 5 min delay between shot-correction. Every Single Shell Will Miss

Second, carpet bombing is NOT done by precision guidance munitions, it is done by massive carpet spread over a point target by unguided free fall bombs. Your frigates are sitting ducks 5,000 km away from home with ZERO air cover ! You made a wrong voyage !

Carpet bombing is done by strategic bombers.

Do you have strategic bombers?

Third, 250,000 Nigerians is a equal to 300 Battalions of men with AK-47 rifles, you will have 1,000 times more trouble than you had with poachers you could not defeat in Kruger park.

You are going to sneak 250 000 AK's plus ammo into South Africa?

you cant even get a handfull of your secret agents and a suitcase full of cash into the country without being busted by lowly CUSTOMS OFFICIALS

Seriously, this is the kind of stuff a 9 year old thinks of

International shipping route as I said, will mean you do not chase pirates that hijack ships and veer off the patrol routes, you just proved that you will never find or catch any pirates, you have no satellite, no MPA aircraft, and your best radar is only 180km range, so you will NEVER find or catch any pirate that is 200km away from your ship, and some pirates will surely be 500km away heading for Europe or South America !

Its called interdiction.

And catching the ship after the fact is easy:

How fast is a super-tanker full of oil?

How fast is a Valour Class frigate?

We can respond with ease

Game. Over

Navy 500km coastal radars or TV cameras 50km range or ATR-42 radar 300km range, will track your ships and radio the exact coordinates of your ships exact position to Army artillery command and control. Same way it's been done all over the world for decades, simple as ABC.

Go ask how Nigerian army army artillery dropped shells inside the room where RUF rebel commanders were holding meeting in Sierra Leone, South African Colonel Eben was praising us on that achievement last time I chatted with him on Beegeagle.

If you don't know how artillery communicates with air or land command and control, please go join a Police forum/thread.

Pirates use many different types of vessels for different types of criminal operations, some use high speed boats with double engines, and at 32 knots, they will dribble the whole South African navy 16 knots Frigates, your navy that has ZERO sea interceptors like our Shaldags, your submarine speed is even worse, those ones are bicycle speed, pirates will turn your navy into school children on a play ground


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AugustineAgain:


South Africa has ZERO experience of piracy war at sea

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Watch the "Zero" experience Navy patrol your neighborhood... all you will ever do is breath steam on both your ends. We don't talk sh.it, we do things... thats the SANDF way.

hello guys i have been reading mostly all your messages i will like to contribute my own kota nice to meet you guys here mostly from the giant of Africa (NIGERIA and BIG BROTHERS S/AFRICA)

GreenandGold:

Watch the "Zero" experience Navy patrol your neighborhood... all you will ever do is breath steam on both your ends. We don't talk sh.it, we do things... thats the SANDF way.

Nice to see you admit the truth in the bolded part above

Watch your navy do what? Patrol Angola-Namibia? Sorry wait till year 2015....for now you do nothing, so you have no single achievement to boast about, so stop the speculation in dreamland of patrol plan that is still ONLY on newspaper pages alone

When your inexperienced navy sails in real long range patrol mode up to Gabon, come back and post it here

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Patchesagain:

Its a sitting duck

Beyond obsolete.

And none of them exist yet -

And the only one who has lost here is you (this entire piracy debate has been so much fun for me)

NAF Mi-171 Terminator obsolete ? You must still be suffering from your Mokopa accident !

NAF is buying this modern helicopter that entered the market in year 2002, more modern than your Gripen jet or ancient Oryx helicopter

http://www.army-technology.com/projects/mi-171sh-combat-transport-helicopter/

NAF already has 10 of them in service, usually deployed for NA in Sudan-Dafur etc, we are just buying more squadrons, Fool

Patches is a Mokopa crash victim, he cannot even use google again, b.rain mixed with custard

Nigerian combat helicopters will be almost 100 units when all orders arrive...

South Africa fvcks about with 10 undedicated Rooivalks


Note: The ‘No. delivered/produced’ and the ‘Year(s) of deliveries’ columns refer to all deliveries since the beginning of the contract. Deals in which the recipient was involved in the production of the weapon system are listed separately. The ‘Comments’ column includes publicly reported information on the value of the deal. Information on the sources and methods used in the collection of the data, and explanations of the conventions, abbreviations and acronyms, can be found at URL <http://www.sipri.org/contents/armstrad/at_data.html>. The SIPRI Arms Transfers Database is continuously updated as new information becomes available.

Source: SIPRI Arms Transfers Database
Information generated: 03 October 2014


Russia
R: Nigeria

4 Mi-8MT/Mi-17/Hip-H Helicopter (2002) 2003 4 Mi-171Sh armed version
3 Mi-24P/Hind-F Combat helicopter (2012)
6 Mi-8MT/Mi-17/Hip-H Helicopter (2012) Mi-171Sh armed version


http://armstrade.sipri.org/armstrade/page/trade_register.php

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AugustineAgain:


You just boomed yourself skyhigh

Your source does NOT say AN/SPS-55 radar, how the fvck did you mix your brain with custard ?

I prove you wrong below, 250nM is approx 500km. Go fvck your 180km radar short-sighted Valour frigates...fool

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Hahahahahahahaha


You think wikipedia is a viable source? How do we know you didnt edit it?

Nope, Hamilton Class uses the AN/SPS-55 short-range radar
http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/systems/ship/whec-378-specs.htm

It has a range of around 92km
http://fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/ship/weaps/an-sps-55.htm


AN/SPS-55 from the 1960's was replaced during the upgrade

GAME. OVER

Enjoy your short range radar

AugustineAgain:
I said some frigates need 4,000 tonnes to fill tank, so how many days will ALL your ships stay at sea in Gulf Of Guinea?
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Yes

You said

Show us how much fuel a valour class needs.

AugustineAgain:


Or you return home as soon as you arrive? How do you patrol around in circles from Angola to Ghana, or are you just coming to mark register that you came and left immediately ?

South Africa has ZERO experience of piracy war at sea

See all the logistics and fuel problems Nigerians are showing you now? You never though about the distance and ship max range

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We can sail up and patrol 1000 miles.... thats 2,200km (the distanceis just short of the length of our coast).... and sail all the way back without re-fueling

And we can extend the range with re-supply.

You keep trying to make an argument.

But the numbers tell a different story

Also, what is to stop us setting a forward base in Angola so that we can also deploy our OPV's... like we did in Mozambique

AugustineAgain:


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Nigeria uses high speed interceptor Shaldags with radar and FLIR to speed chase/catch pirates.

South African navy has NO sea interceptors [/size]



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Pirates hijack ships

Hijacked ships are oil tankers

They sail at less than 20knts

Not a problem