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Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by MikeZA: 2:32pm On Oct 02, 2014
GreenandGold:

While we lost 0 troops in military campaigns in the DRC.
And our Malawian and Tanzanian allies lost more than 4 casualties each,through combat and accidents.
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by MikeZA: 2:35pm On Oct 02, 2014
Henry120:

You "sound" so angry. Did I hit a nerve? Anyway, it ain't happening. You got no money to afford avation fuel, much less additional military procurements.

First start by purchasing aviation fuel, until then, ZIP it.
cheesy grin cheesy cheesy cheesy grin

Aviation fuel?

Our C-130BZs flew to Lagos around last week!!!

That says it all.

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Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by GreenandGold: 2:41pm On Oct 02, 2014
Henry120:

What a retarrded analogy.

Can you claim the same? Then its not retarrded...
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by GreenandGold: 2:44pm On Oct 02, 2014
Henry120:

South-africa's contribution was insignificant in the DRC. The Congolese, Tanzanians and Ukrainian/indian MI-35 pilots did most of the heavy lifting.

Mi_35s are a joke, the UN had to ask for Rooivalks.
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by agaugust: 2:44pm On Oct 02, 2014
patches689:

Btw, Hamilton class is not a warship, it's a gun-boat


Exactly what you need for anti-piracy in Gulf of Guinea

NNS Thunder is about same size as Valour frigate, so both of them are boats grin

NNS Thunder range is double that of Valour frigate, so South Africa has more of a boat grin

NNS Thunder radar range is three times longer than radar of Valour frigate, so South Africa got a real short-sighted boat grin

ROARING THUNDER...MASTER OF OCEAN PATROLS IN AFRICA !.

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Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by MikeZA: 2:48pm On Oct 02, 2014
Henry120:

South-africa's contribution was insignificant in the DRC. The Congolese, Tanzanians and Ukrainian/indian MI-35 pilots did most of the heavy lifting.
South Africa has deployed: 5 Oryx helicopters.
: 3 Rooivalk attack helicopters.
:Cargo handling teams.
: Engineers and mechanics.
: Pilots.
: A battalion group.(With support elements like Recces,signallers,parabats etc)
: Trainers( Colonel Mamadou who was killed on January 1st was trained by saffers,including two of the battalions in his brigade. It was his troops which saw most of the fighting).



Compare that with Tanzania : A Battalion and support elements.
: Special forces.
: Artillery battery.
: Engineers.

Indian Hinds failed to stop M23 in December 2012. M23 even made fun of them.


If you don't know something please SHUT IT.

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Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by MikeZA: 3:02pm On Oct 02, 2014
Henry120:

You deployed most of those men after most of the intense fighting had been tackled by the Tanzanians.
SA parabats were the first the engage the enemy,when some mai mai group attacked them. All we know is that their commander was killed.


Which intense fighting?

The battle of Kibati?

South African,Tanzanian troops fought alongside two FARDC brigades.

One brigade under command of: Colonel Mamadou Ndala

The other under of the regional commander: Major General Ambamba.

Which battle and where?

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Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Troop101: 3:05pm On Oct 02, 2014
Just saw alover the news Shekau is still alive even on Augububububu most favourite blog Beetletjie
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by MikeZA: 3:20pm On Oct 02, 2014
I told Nigerians a week back.

"Shekau" is pop up again to embarrass your military.

Now he has released another video,claiming "alive and active"?
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by patches689: 3:30pm On Oct 02, 2014
agaugust:


Naval warfare, I will wait till Aradu completes refit, and NNS Centenary arrives, plus the new combat warship from Chinese navy.
Every navy in this world has it's time of re-armament, all South African navy warships were obsolete as at year 2005 until Valour frigate arrived 2006.

Yes again naval warfare? Where is the missile and submarine naval warfare going on if Africa today? The real naval warfare today is anti-piracy operations, South Africa has just realized that, so you decided to join our club after your missiles and submarines had no work to do since almost 10 years ago you bought them.

Anti-piracy is the real threat and according to your sources, South Africa is now feeling threatened because Angola is being attacked by pirates in your backyard. This is a war the mighty Nigerian navy has been fighting for over 10 years now and we are the masters of the game in Africa, no other navy comes close, not even Egypt.....welcome to our world where we have the perfect equipment and perfect experience, South African navy is the new baby that needs to learn how to walk now grin grin

Nope, helicopters are NOT maritime ocean interceptors, they are only for airborne insertion of troops when you catch the pirate.

Range of the Super Lynx on your frigate is only about 528 km, when you carry troops load, the range reduces by payload, then your helicopter needs fuel to return to your ship or it will drop dead into the sea with empty fuel tank. Means your helicopter cannot chase pirate beyond 200km range away from your ship landing pad ! How do you catch a pirate Angola informs you to be 500km away from where your frigate is ? Or you think pirates sail beside your ship so that when you need them you can catch them?

Drakensberg itself has only 15,000 km range and needs 10,000 km minimum to travel from Cape Town to Lagos, it must NOT leave that straight line route or else it will lose more fuel by trying to stay close to your frigates that are patrolling around in circles, you don't do maritime patrol in a straight line like your police do on the streets of Soweto, the sea is a massive area of 5 million square kilometers from Namibia to West Africa !

Drakensberg is pumping fuel to your frigate, she herself has to stay at sea for many days to give support, she needs fuel too and she will be pumping from storage tank to feed herself, how much fuel is in that supply tank? Does your Drakensberg ship carry an Oil Refinery on board? Give us details, I have given details of range of Nigerian ships and fast crafts, tell us how much fuel is in the 'Unlimited Oil Refinery' that you carry on your Drakensberg supply ship, facts and figures please grin grin

South African navy will regularly beg for diesel, not only in Angola, but also in Ghana and Nigeria !!

Nigeria has about 12 Frigate/Corvette sized ships that is what I said, not only frigates, buy corvette sized ships too, some ordered or received already. We saw the Corvette sizers in this years Exercise Obaganme sailing with Chinese navy in Lagos operations. Here is a list of 17 ships, not gunboats, I mean SHIPS !

NNS Thunder
NNS Okpabana
NNS Centenary I
NNS Centenary II
NNS Siri
NNS Ohue
NNS Erinomi
NNS Ekun
NNS Barama
NNS Anyam
NNS Damisa
NNS Ekpe
NNS Kyanwa
NNS Ologbo
NNS Nwamba
NNS Obula


I left out NNS Aradu until her refit is completed this year. That will be number 18 ship.

Nigeria has cloud penetrating satellites and long range ATR-42 Surveyors that can see the whole Gulf Of Guinea in 45 minutes, and NNS Thunder and NNS Okpabana have sea search radars with surveillance range of 500km. The radar on Valour frigate is only about 180km range, so how will you ever locate a pirate that Angola or Namibia radios to you to be 400km away from your shiny Valour frigate now turned into OPV overnight ?

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Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by patches689: 3:33pm On Oct 02, 2014
agaugust:


Naval warfare, I will wait till Aradu completes refit, and NNS Centenary arrives, plus the new combat warship from Chinese navy.
Every navy in this world has it's time of re-armament, all South African navy warships were obsolete as at year 2005 until Valour frigate arrived 2006.

Yes again naval warfare? Where is the missile and submarine naval warfare going on if Africa today? The real naval warfare today is anti-piracy operations, South Africa has just realized that, so you decided to join our club after your missiles and submarines had no work to do since almost 10 years ago you bought them.

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This is ridiculous

Just because it isnt happening doesnt mean that it cant

We have a navy - not a coast guard

You have a coast guard

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Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by patches689: 3:34pm On Oct 02, 2014
agaugust:


Anti-piracy is the real threat and according to your sources, South Africa is now feeling threatened because Angola is being attacked by pirates in your backyard. This is a war the mighty Nigerian navy has been fighting for over 10 years now and we are the masters of the game in Africa, no other navy comes close, not even Egypt.....welcome to our world where we have the perfect equipment and perfect experience, South African navy is the new baby that needs to learn how to walk now grin grin
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First, we dont feel threatened.

There was one attack in Angola

What we are doing is hitting the problem in its root so that it doesnt spread.

That rout is YOUR waters.

And no, you are not expert at it - if you were expert at anti-piracy you would have stopped the growth of piracy in your waters.

Which you have completely failed to do

And you have no where near perfect equipment, and no where near enough of it
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by patches689: 3:41pm On Oct 02, 2014
agaugust:


Nope, helicopters are NOT maritime ocean interceptors, they are only for airborne insertion of troops when you catch the pirate.

Range of the Super Lynx on your frigate is only about 528 km, when you carry troops load, the range reduces by payload, then your helicopter needs fuel to return to your ship or it will drop dead into the sea with empty fuel tank. Means your helicopter cannot chase pirate beyond 200km range away from your ship landing pad ! How do you catch a pirate Angola informs you to be 500km away from where your frigate is ? Or you think pirates sail beside your ship so that when you need them you can catch them?

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Yes, they can intercept (they are armed remeber) and they can deploy troops to seize the vessel. So what is your actual point here?

And 200km is a long way buddy.

How do we catch a pirate 500km away, simple, we cruise towards them and when within 200km we deploy air assets. How do you think?

SO again, what is your point?

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Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by patches689: 3:46pm On Oct 02, 2014
agaugust:


Drakensberg itself has only 15,000 km range and needs 10,000 km minimum to travel from Cape Town to Lagos, it must NOT leave that straight line route or else it will lose more fuel by trying to stay close to your frigates that are patrolling around in circles, you don't do maritime patrol in a straight line like your police do on the streets of Soweto, the sea is a massive area of 5 million square kilometers from Namibia to West Africa !

Drakensberg is pumping fuel to your frigate, she herself has to stay at sea for many days to give support, she needs fuel too and she will be pumping from storage tank to feed herself, how much fuel is in that supply tank? Does your Drakensberg ship carry an Oil Refinery on board? Give us details, I have given details of range of Nigerian ships and fast crafts, tell us how much fuel is in the 'Unlimited Oil Refinery' that you carry on your Drakensberg supply ship, facts and figures please grin grin
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Drakensberg has a 8000 mile range, that is lagos and back with 1000 miles to spare.

Distance from Cape Town to Lagos: 2955.28

So, your first sentance is complete B.S

When operating as a supply vessel, the Drakensberg does not need to stick with the Frigates, it will operate as a "mother ship" sailing as economically as possible to conserve fuel, and the Valour Class will return to her for replenishment. That is just basic common sense.

The Drakensberg carries 5 500 tonnes of fuel for replenishment - separate from her own fuel tanks
http://www.navy.mil.za/vtour/drakensberg/specs.htm

So she can resupply and still keep that 8000 mile range

So again, I am not quite sure of what your point is - unless it is making a fool of yourself.

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Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by patches689: 3:52pm On Oct 02, 2014
agaugust:
Nigeria has cloud penetrating satellites and long range ATR-42 Surveyors that can see the whole Gulf Of Guinea in 45 minutes, and NNS Thunder and NNS Okpabana have sea search radars with surveillance range of 500km. The radar on Valour frigate is only about 180km range, so how will you ever locate a pirate that Angola or Namibia radios to you to be 400km away from your shiny Valour frigate now turned into OPV overnight ?
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NNS Okpadana has a freaking AN/SPS-40 air-search radar from the 1970's - are you looking for sky pirates?

How will we locate pirates?

Professionalism, co-operation and superior equipment.

Same way NATO caught pirates off the coast of Somalia with their Frigates.

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Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by patches689: 3:58pm On Oct 02, 2014
Augugbug you should be thanking us for coming and helping you

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Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by patches689: 4:00pm On Oct 02, 2014
agaugust:

Exactly what you need for anti-piracy in Gulf of Guinea

NNS Thunder is about same size as Valour frigate, so both of them are boats grin

NNS Thunder range is double that of Valour frigate, so South Africa has more of a boat grin

NNS Thunder radar range is three times longer than radar of Valour frigate, so South Africa got a real short-sighted boat grin

ROARING THUNDER...MASTER OF OCEAN PATROLS IN AFRICA !.

[img]http://news.navy.gov.au/get_img?ImageWidth=902&ImageHeight=603&ImageId=994[/img]
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Valour Class is a warship

Hamilton Class is a gun-boat

Simple

And proof please about your magical radar

And that magical radar did not stop you from CRASHING one of your Hamilton class cutters into another ship.

This guy talks about hunting pirates but the crew of the ship cannot even see boats they sail into

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Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by rka1: 4:44pm On Oct 02, 2014
Nigerian Army Captures Boko Haram ICT Expert

Nigerian Army Captures Boko Haram ICT Expert


According to reports, the Nigerian military has arrested a foreign computer expert who is said to be behind the several video shots sent to online media organization and foreign media houses.

The arrested was said to have been seen with some sophisticated equipment and copies of some of the videos the terrorists had sent to online media houses on their escapades including that of the abducted Chibok girls,

We learnt from the military sources that the computer analyst who is currently being interrogated was responsible for configuring computer images website and internet accesses that enables the group fight media and psychological operations.

The Sources said he was arrested after a shootout when a group of the sect members mobilized and attacked Konduga with a view to recovering the body of the impostor for burial in a site they would later earmark as their shrine.

Vanguard further gathered that the foreigner has made shocking confessional statements about the terrorist’s plans and modus operandi as well as their backers that would aid the troop’s fast track the routing of the Boko Haram insurgency.

“We have made a very big break through; the computer analyst is opening up and has made very big revelations on the modus operandi of the sect”.

“We also discovered that the ICT expert is the back bone of the signals and communication links of late impersonator, Mohammed Bashir who always poses as Abubakar Shekau, whenever he is talking on “U” tube”.

With the breakthrough, the military is said to be better informed on how the Impostor of Shekau was able to reach out to the world and claim victory over Nigerian troops after several attacks.

While confirming that there is a successor crisis in the camp of the terrorists resulting from the death of most of their commanders by troops in Konduga, Vanguard learnt that some terrorists are yet to be disarmed because they were yet to come to terms that their erstwhile leader, Shakau has been killed.

Read more at http://www.360nobs.com/2014/10/nigerian-army-captures-boko-haram-ict-expert/#pUvByhk2mF3kT7d6.99

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Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by rka1: 4:48pm On Oct 02, 2014
MikeZA: I told Nigerians a week back.

"Shekau" is pop up again to embarrass your military.

Now he has released another video,claiming "alive and active"?




THE PURPORTED SHEKAU VIDEO IN CIRCULATION


The Defence Headquarters is studying the claims made in the video purportedly released by the terrorists showing their leader Abubakar Shekau as dismissing his death. From immediate observation and what some online news outlets claimed to have seen, the video did not indicate when it was shot neither did it show any proof of life or currency such as screen time or date. The video also did not make any reference to anything that has happened since the impostor’s reported death.

It is also noteworthy that the air plane said to be mentioned in the video had been missing before he was killed. It should not surprise anybody if the terrorists decide to manipulate pictures, clone another Shekau or upload a pre-recorded video all in a bid to prove invincible.

As far as we are concerned, the individual who was appearing in video and claiming to be the leader of the terrorist group was killed in the Kondunga battle in September. The resemblance of the corpse and that of the eccentric character was incontrovertible. His identity was equally corroborated by people who knew him before we announced his death.

So, while waiting to see the new video before any further statement, our message to them is that justice will be served to whoever bears that name or designation and whoever engages in act

http://defenceinfo.mil.ng/the-purported-shekau-video-in-circulation-2/

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Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by patches689: 5:06pm On Oct 02, 2014
DefenceWeb sets the record straight

Nigeria will in the future take delivery of a number of new helicopters from Russia after concluding a deal with the country in August. Sergei Goreslavsky, a deputy director general at Rostec, told ITAR-TASS that the contract involves “a significant number of Mi-171Sh helicopters and several Mi-35M helicopters.” Rosoboronexport, which sells Russia’s military equipment overseas, falls under Rostec.

In April this year the Nigerian Chief of Air Staff Air Marshal Adesola Amosu announced that new fighters and helicopters would be acquired for the Air Force. The Nigerian Budget Office has allocated funding for six Mi-35Ms this year. The Nigerian Air Force currently flies around eight of the type. Nigerian media report that the Air Force has ordered 40 helicopters from the United States and Russia but did not specify which models.

Lol, a "significant"number of your 40 helos are just normal transports grin grin
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Nobody: 5:12pm On Oct 02, 2014
MikeZA: I told Nigerians a week back.

"Shekau" is pop up again to embarrass your military.

Now he has released another video,claiming "alive and active"?


Anybody can assume the name shekau, this won't be the first, and there are probably a few lunatics willing to take up the num de Guerre.

The photos of the Impostor shekau (bashir mohammed) clearly bears the resemblance of the man, we have seen in a couple propaganda videos.

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Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Nobody: 5:20pm On Oct 02, 2014
patches689: DefenceWeb sets the record straight

Nigeria will in the future take delivery of a number of new helicopters from Russia after concluding a deal with the country in August. Sergei Goreslavsky, a deputy director general at Rostec, told ITAR-TASS that the contract involves “a significant number of Mi-171Sh helicopters and several Mi-35M helicopters.” Rosoboronexport, which sells Russia’s military equipment overseas, falls under Rostec.

In April this year the Nigerian Chief of Air Staff Air Marshal Adesola Amosu announced that new fighters and helicopters would be acquired for the Air Force. The Nigerian Budget Office has allocated funding for six Mi-35Ms this year. The Nigerian Air Force currently flies around eight of the type. Nigerian media report that the Air Force has ordered 40 helicopters from the United States and Russia but did not specify which models.

Lol, a "significant"number of your 40 helos are just normal transports grin grin

Dullness personified and owned.

Defenceweb is not a credible source by any account. We've proved this on many occasions.

I really want to tear this rubbish post to shreds, but it obviously ain't worth it.

So if the budget office, budgeted for 6 MI-35M helicopters, are the MI-171SH helicopters supposed to drop down from the heavens?

What about the 12 Up-graded MI-35 helicopters from belarus?


Classic olodo.

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Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by MikeZA: 5:26pm On Oct 02, 2014
rka1:



THE PURPORTED SHEKAU VIDEO IN CIRCULATION


The Defence Headquarters is studying the claims made in the video purportedly released by the terrorists showing their leader Abubakar Shekau as dismissing his death. From immediate observation and what some online news outlets claimed to have seen, the video did not indicate when it was shot neither did it show any proof of life or currency such as screen time or date. The video also did not make any reference to anything that has happened since the impostor’s reported death.

It is also noteworthy that the air plane said to be mentioned in the video had been missing before he was killed. It should not surprise anybody if the terrorists decide to manipulate pictures, clone another Shekau or upload a pre-recorded video all in a bid to prove invincible.

As far as we are concerned, the individual who was appearing in video and claiming to be the leader of the terrorist group was killed in the Kondunga battle in September. The resemblance of the corpse and that of the eccentric character was incontrovertible. His identity was equally corroborated by people who knew him before we announced his death.

So, while waiting to see the new video before any further statement, our message to them is that justice will be served to whoever bears that name or designation and whoever engages in act

http://defenceinfo.mil.ng/the-purported-shekau-video-in-circulation-2/
Your military is confused.

Propaganda and massive troop numbers aren't working.

You don't have control over the war.

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Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by MikeZA: 5:28pm On Oct 02, 2014
Henry120:

Anybody can assume the name shekau, this won't be the first, and there are probably a few lunatics willing to take up the num de Guerre.

The photos of the Impostor shekau (bashir mohammed) clearly bears the resemblance of the man, we have seen in a couple propaganda videos.
We don't care.


Your military don't even know who's their enemy.

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Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Nobody: 5:28pm On Oct 02, 2014
MikeZA: Your military is confused.

Propaganda and massive troop numbers aren't working.

You don't have control over the war.

Mumu.

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Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by MikeZA: 5:33pm On Oct 02, 2014
Henry120:

Mumu.
@Henry120 is butthurt.

His ins.ults,propaganda effort and patriotism aren't having an effect in the battlefield.
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Patchesagain: 5:34pm On Oct 02, 2014
Henry120:

Dullness personified and owned.

Defenceweb is not a credible source by any account. We've proved this on many occasions.

I really want to tear this rubbish post to shreds, but it obviously ain't worth it.

So if the budget office, budgeted for 6 MI-35M helicopters, are the MI-171SH helicopters supposed to drop down from the heavens?

What about the 12 Up-graded MI-35 helicopters from belarus?


Classic olodo.

They sourced the artical from reuters, are reuters not reliable?

They quote the man building it for you, who says that the vast majority of the 40 are transports

The Arms market is not McDonalds... you dont get your purchase instantly.

Enjoy your 14 sh1t-teir helicopters
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Patchesagain: 5:39pm On Oct 02, 2014
augugbgugu

You said submarines are bad at anti-piracy duties

Why then did china just send one to Somalia?

(((((KA-BOOOOOOOOOOM))))
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Nobody: 5:46pm On Oct 02, 2014
MikeZA: We don't care.


Your military don't even know who's their enemy.

You are fond of propagating lies.

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Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Patchesagain: 5:47pm On Oct 02, 2014
Henry120:

You are fond of propagating lies.

Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Nobody: 5:48pm On Oct 02, 2014
Patchesagain:

They sourced the artical from reuters, are reuters not reliable?

They quote the man building it for you, who says that the vast majority of the 40 are transports

The Arms market is not McDonalds... you dont get your purchase instantly.

Enjoy your 14 sh1t-teir helicopters

Do you have brains in your skull at all? It is seemly difficult for you south-africans to think independently.

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