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Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Mbuisi(m): 10:42pm On May 13, 2013 |
all4naija: What are you going about with this comment? It is clear you didn't understand the UNODC reports. I would opt you read them when you have the chance to do so than coming here to insult those who have done so. By going about it through posting of irrelevant statement won't help matters. In that case I will assume that you haven't study statistics at school. I recommend you to enrol for a course on basic statistics. |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Nobody: 11:04pm On May 13, 2013 |
Mbuisi:You are over-exaggerating the murder rate in SA here. Xenophobia cut across all facets of South African society. It is the result of the most killings on the streets of foreigners who they perceive as taking their jobs and competing for resources. You can read this link on the rate of xenophobia in SA society and this link [i]on a foreigner stoned to death in 2011. It is clear there are many happening that are not recorded under xenophobia on daily routine. Are 34 miners and the police murder incidence nothing to you? You are just good in defend evil in any means possible and it doesn't hurt until it happens to a close relative of yours. Stop talking about what you know little about as though you are very vast on it. |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Nobody: 11:10pm On May 13, 2013 |
Mbuisi:You are very annoying sometimes. It is clear you are just being silly! |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by sithwell: 11:20pm On May 13, 2013 |
I get banned for a few hours; and I come back to a cat fight ![]() I didn't know I couldn't use the words b.okkko here... ![]() |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Nobody: 11:23pm On May 13, 2013 |
sithwell: I get banned for a few hours; and I come back to a cat fightWelcome back,dude. It happens to everyone one time or the other here. ![]() ![]() ![]() |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Nobody: 11:27pm On May 13, 2013 |
agaugust: I took the number of homicides per year of Nigeria and multiplied it by 4 years thats how I got my 80 000, isn't that how you got your 60 000 for SA. www.wikipedia.org/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Nobody: 11:52pm On May 13, 2013 |
Mbuisi: +++ |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Nobody: 11:52pm On May 13, 2013 |
Mbuisi: |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by sithwell: 12:14am On May 14, 2013 |
all4naija: Welcome back,dude. It happens to everyone one time or the other here. Hehehe, thanks! I've learnt my lesson..! |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Nobody: 12:54am On May 14, 2013 |
I have revisited many of the posted comments in this thread with an idea to have better understanding of what is being discussed. From Andrewza meticulous detailed information on military weapons to agaugust clear counter analyses, which I agree to are revealing about what both countries possessed as to what can be pointed to as representing the giants of Africa. My contributions based on using little ideas of information gathering can not all be useless after-all there is one or more things that can be learn from them. Then, I come to see that we can not agree to some certain things concerning each other military might, due to what we perceived of their different capacities to exercise it in the field of battles. And, there are many disagreements to how much experiences they both have and in what areas they have achieved success. Notwithstanding, every patriotic citizens would defend his or her own country to the last, even at the expense of resorting to insults.That, we have seen in many holistic approach by many die-hard individuals. That we have seen in this argument reflects how much they love their various nations. I can say I have gained much about military hardware and other information from what have been posted so far in this particular thread, but I can point to one or more things about the two countries on how much their citizens like them in whatever condition or situation. To this include the types of weapon available, the military personnel and how much budget the government has spent and ready to spend to keep this part of the national strength working. Now, I can say both sides are equally having something to boast of about their military beside some shortcomings of how much role they have played in Africa or can play in the world affairs. Not taking things to the extreme, I would say Nigeria and South Africa are the only two capable countries in sub-Saharan Africa with soldiers that can be deployed and be useful to the continent in wider areas. On the final note, I have something I really want to know about both countries military which I think has not be well explained throughout this thread. It is in form of a question which I would like every body who is so passionate about his country military to answer for me. The question is as follows: Which country really has the strongest(not the best) military among these two nations of Nigeria and South Africa? Thank you. |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by agaugust: 1:02am On May 14, 2013 |
@all4naija your above big question noted. I will post my own answer in less than 48 hrs from now. i will write my answer in a way that any honest and sincere average civilian will understand and see the reasons for what i write. good night bros. |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by sithwell: 1:22am On May 14, 2013 |
all4naija: Why? Has President Jonathan decided he's overstretched his military budget; and that he'll now issue Nigerian soldiers with swords, like Spartans? |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by agaugust: 2:22am On May 14, 2013 |
sithwell: nigeria is different from south africa. our law allows president jonathan to spend extra funds outside the approved national budget on defence or security to any level necessary to protect nigerian interests. money for defense is NOT a problem to nigeria. QED |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by agaugust: 2:32am On May 14, 2013 |
zetdee: your above weblink does not open. however, i will give you current data, clear and simple from wikipedia sources that show nigeria vs south africa murder rate. to help those who cannot do mathematics of rate per head of population, i will copy the rates directly : south africa 31.8 nigeria 12.2 south african murder rate is clearly higher many times more than nigeria this proves me right and proves my opponents wrong. settled. weblink sources http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crime_in_South_Africa ![]() |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by sithwell: 3:13am On May 14, 2013 |
agaugust: That's not the point. This was a tongue-in-cheek comment to point out that "strength" is irrelevant. The absolute minimum is health, brains and motivation. Even women can be soldiers these days. This is not S-S-S-Paaaaart-aaaaaa! |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by agaugust: 3:29am On May 14, 2013 |
sithwell: strength ? nigerian women soldiers will defeat south african men soldiers in real infantry hand to hand close range gun fights, especially if it is urban warfare. |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by agaugust: 3:31am On May 14, 2013 |
Donian007: NIGERIA SHOPS FOR MORE POWERFUL FIGHTER JETS: www.beegeagle./2012/10/10/nigeria-are-likely-customers-for-hongdu-l15-falcon-supersonic-trainerlight-attack-jets-moscow-defense-brief/ you are very correct. cheers ! we go wash am o ! naija new jets |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by andrewza: 3:38am On May 14, 2013 |
agaugust: . you assume to much you dont know what i do for fun, i have 1000 of pages on all things milltary. I did not join the milltary for a job i joined it because iy is my love. AA guns are not old fasion, and in a high EW/ECM/ESM enviorment very use full. not to menstion they got a ground attack role. though in the SANDF they all so radar guided now. mm a harrie have a problem in attacking a deffend base, seems all correct there. other than it,s vtol abliety it realy averiage. actualy gripen where part of the attack on libya. yes it took nato consbil effort to defeat iraq. 2 problems with use that exampel. 1 nigeria is not 1991 iraq 2 you assume we would rush to victory, nigeria is unstabil we just need to push it over the edge. o and the tordoa was not a good aircraft. thr best nato aircraft of the gulf. SAAF has had a lot of experiance to build doctrain and tatics in pentotrating air defence in angola. you got 16 roland in order for them to be a threat they will have to contriaght around one area. leave the rest of the country open. |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by sithwell: 3:44am On May 14, 2013 |
agaugust: Agaugust. Read both my posts. You don't get them. I don't care about strength. And my posts explain why. Perhaps Nigerian guns have 10-pound triggers. |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by andrewza: 3:45am On May 14, 2013 |
agaugust: we have all gone down that road before. and i proofed you wrong, any case we can just loan more most of our loan are from our own banks in any case. i dont know may be. F15, F16,mirrage, F18, A10, B1 just about everything. 8 missiles and hit 3 slow moving non ecm/ew/esm protected targets. SAAF is fine |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by andrewza: 3:57am On May 14, 2013 |
and SAAF bought a number of paveway3 bombs and denel makes a number of stand off wepaons |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by andrewza: 4:00am On May 14, 2013 |
Mbuisi: was pointing out that a lightweight runner is not always a good solder. 2 Likes |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by agaugust: 4:09am On May 14, 2013 |
great Tornado jet ![]() andrewza: you make careless assumptions that can lead to sudden death of your military men andrewza: i spend 70% of my life time for the past 20 years studying military weapons, war history, combat strategy and tactics. i work in private dfense company as a research support staff. i am a civilian but i work for retired military officers at colonel rank level andrewza: anti aircraft guns are outdated in this age of jets making ground attack at 800km per hour. the guns AA still kill jets today because the man in the sky is always the one in danger, he has no cover to hide in the open wide sky above. even optical AA gun hiding in the bush is a threat to the pilot in open sky andrewza: thank God you told one half truth today. Sea Harrier jet is not slow it has supersonic speed of 1,180km per hr. Tornado has great supersonic speed of 2,400km per hr and still killed by Roland SAM. andrewza: no web link source for that claim, and even if so Grippen jet showed face after american sea based long range cruise missiles and anti-radiation missiled wiped out libyan air defences from distance stand off position. sweden is NOT a super power. andrewza: south africa too is not america, your airforce is far behind the level of american air force. forget this joke nigeria is NOT unstable the way you think. dont judge nigeria with b.oko h.aram crisis, any country attacking nigeria now will enter the mouth of the lion, nigeria hates defeat, she has a big pride, nigeria will mobilize a one million man army in one month. let me help you with war history. 1980 iraq attacked iran because of military coup in iran to overthrow government, ayatollah locked all iran`s air force pilots in jail. after iraq`s first wave attack. ayatollah released his enemies from prison to fly F-14 jets. the pilots did it for national pride, iraq could no longer win the war for 8 years until stalemate and ceasefire agreement. i advise you many times, never under-estimate your enemy`s reaction in war. mistake will cost many human lives. andrewza: give us technical details to prove Tornado is not a good jet. it is a jet made by combined engineering effort of Britain, Germany, and Italy...the 3 great super powers of Europe. almost 1,000 Tornado jets are still in combat service today with super powers Britain, Germany, Italy and will remain in service till year 2020. prove to me it is not a good jet fighter. you make many dangerous mistakes with your military combat analysis, you can make soldiers under your command to go to early grave. tornado jet weblink source : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Panavia_Tornado andrewza: south african airforce was hiding on ground most times of the war, fear of Cuba`s air force. google is your friend, we have treated this topic before. andrewza: nigerian airspace is too big for south african tiny air force of 26 grippen jets, nigerian territory is almost one million square kilometers, too big a giant for 26 jets to have any impact, you need over 100 powerful jet aircraft to try anything meaningful against a giant nigeria. the whole of nigerian airspace is covered by very modern radar newly installed. andrewza you are a careless soldier, you gonna get k.illed the way you under-rate enemy counter tactics, not only you can think, your enemy forces will think too. that is war. i pity your wife. you believe more in what you expect a weapon to do. i believe more in what a weapon has been proved to do. . |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by sithwell: 4:39am On May 14, 2013 |
I see people have got carried away with this crime thing. I had asked what's the point of all these wars that Nigeria is fighting or has fought. I pointed out a few things about Nigeria today and asked why bother with the crazy military budget and heroics. In response, someone told me there's no credible South African here. Someone said Nigeria is a doctor that heals herself. Someone then started this whole South Africa-has-crime-and-is-more what-not-and-what-what. Then I got banned. All of these stories. Totally inconsequential. Nations (not mercenaries)fight wars for a few, very specific reasons - roughly a) Liberties, b) Prosperity and peace, c) [saving or protecting] lives. All of these are summed up under nationhood. Pride and glory, yes - but never alone. Pride and glory link up to a), b) and c). Nations fight in order to create these things or defend them. Nationhood. Nigerians have filled up page after page, telling us that they have all the military might, financial muscle and experience in the world. Well, perhaps. Perhaps not. It's all very well and all that. Let's talk about facts now. Where are the results? Nigeria has had several attempts at nationhood. Interrupted time after time. Busy being interrupted today (to bring it to the present). Two military occupations. Never a stretch long enough to be able to say - "This is what our heroes died for". Did they die for liberties? Well, a significant section of your population does not have these; and has produced people that feel strongly enough to pick up arms and wage a sustained small-scale war against the state. Prosperity? Well, where? Was it not your minister of public works that only this month painted a grim picture re: infrastructure? What's the point of war if a nation cannot get a moment's peace to build, afterwards? Peace? Where is the peace that is commensurate with this rich history of warfare that we keep hearing about here? Where is the peace for your Northern countrymen? Where is their feeling they are part of one nation? Why talk of a split? Sure, crime is not peace. But crime is not a sustained effort against the state or nationhood. Totally irrelevant. This is a military thread. So, the question is whether this "military power" that we are told is more capable than anyone else has been effective over the years in relation to nationhood - the ultimate purpose of war. The question is if you can't tell today's fighters what their past fallen heroes died for, how do you tell them what they should die for today? Pride? How do you motivate your well-funded soldiers? No war is better than war.Nigeria shouldn't be boasting about being "monied" sufficiently to fund the military. Not today,anyway, because there's no point in it all. War is just a means to an end. Show people the "end" first and then boast about the means. If you can build a nation without a big army, all the better. If you can't hold a nation together, notwithstanding a big army, you are wasting everyone's time. Not to mention the lives of the soldiers that you want to die for you. I'm going to sleep. 3 Likes |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by agaugust: 4:46am On May 14, 2013 |
. nigeria is NOT and exception, every nation in this world has its own chronic problems, america is sick today as a nation of crime, debt, poverty, sin, racism, fraud, etc . |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by agaugust: 4:56am On May 14, 2013 |
Henry120: It's a pity what this thread has turned to. I used to enjoy the thread. It's now a full time dump, languishing away in the rarely visited foreign affairs section. Very shameful!!! not too bad i guess. dishonesty of 90% of south africans is a major setback though. some valuable arguments currently go on. you missed the tactical combat analysis of Grippen Jet vs Roland SAM Missile, and maybe first time the two weapons meet in combat mode simulation , those are type of discussions battle field commanders treasure to read. |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by khukhi(f): 4:57am On May 14, 2013 |
sithwell: Hey,atleast we know that we are not just "over rated". There are people who are reading up on our beautiful country even though its clear how incorrect the source may be in other cases. |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by agaugust: 5:00am On May 14, 2013 |
khukhi: our many researches actually exposed the fact that south africa is grossly over-rated. ![]() |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by andrewza: 5:10am On May 14, 2013 |
agaugust: great Tornado jet only in your mind is it great. what assumption yet you have still given poor information and some case outright misinformation. Most modern AA guns are radar guided or assisted. And have you ever shot a target at 800km a hour. Bombing run yes but even that is hard. In order to be accurate(like when providing danger close CAS) you need to go a slower. The rolan was designed to kill enemy aircraft flying at Mach 1.3 most aa guns would achieve a similar success of course at a much decreased range i take it you don't know what the speed of sound is. what you want a weblink for, sweden took part with gripen non where lost, libya had real air defense unlike nigeria. i never compared us to america you however did compare yourself to 1991 iraq. you unstable, you work in the job that mentions that. i have a few reports that cover that very topic. BH is symptom not a cause You comparing your self to iran now? firsthand experience, they did not do so weel vs SAN/SAAF in a war game. foolish notion SAAF launched a number of very successful attacks penetrating a real air defense system. Not that ting nigeria has. lots of nothing to ignore though. you post a lot uniformed and misinformation fulled posts why. |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by agaugust: 5:50am On May 14, 2013 |
andrewza: the people who read my weblink on Tornado will know that you are wrong, even though they are civilians, they use common sense. F-22 raptor speed is max 2,400km. modern jets do 800km speed carpet bombing at 9km/h and with american air force having thousands of aircraft, they carpet a whole city and level much it. for jets at 9km altitude, AA guns are useless. south african 26 jets are too few for that level of combat operation. i always post more weblinks than you, yet you say i mis-inform. where are your own weblink sources ? you always want to post your personal opinion and force people to swallow it with the errors. nigerian military brains are 3 times smarter than libyan military iran will find it hard to defeat nigeria today. iraqi military brains are only half of nigerian military brains, arabs are dull and mugu in war like egypt. how will one Grippen jet escape from 10 Roland missiles in direct combat ? 5 missiles radar guided and 5 electro-optical guided, 10 killer missiles fired in 2 minutes. is the Grippen jet a spirit ? i have given you good advise. dont go to war thinking that only you can think ! i told you...love your wife, avoid Roland missile. its 11pm in my continent. sleep time. any other thing ? post list and data of your south african SAM and tell us if they are in service now or not. @snydergp lied, your type of Exocet is 70km range and Umkhonto is 15km as at today on Valour frigate, you south africans think Augustine is a f.ool, no he is not. |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by homerac7: 6:14am On May 14, 2013 |
[size=18pt]SOUTH AFRICA CAUGHT OUT N.A.KED! Andrewza come and start another round of lies to deny this coming from your own military about your ineptitude SANDF[/size] ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() A 1000-strong South African contingent is expected to be deployed to the region within a month as part of an African intervention force. It will almost certainly be drawn into conflict with the heavily armed and battle-hardened M23 rebel group after the collapse of peace talks between the rebels and the central government in Kinshasa. |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by andrewza: 6:45am On May 14, 2013 |
homerac7: [size=18pt]SOUTH AFRICA CAUGHT OUT N.A.KED! Andrewza come and start another round of lies to deny this coming from your own military about your ineptitude SANDF[/size] Ease try again. SA was part of UN. UN ROE. Fire only if fired apon. No UN forces where fired apon. Hence we could do nothing. M23 knew that. |
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