raumdeuter:


Most criminals will get guns in America if they want to, These laws do not affect them. Its the regular folks who get hindered by these laws. Its a United state. Each states have varying differences so we cannot have a one size fits all legislation for firearms.



Glad to know you are a gun owner, But you have not gone out to commit crimes with your guns. This shows that guns are not the problem, Guns in the hand of law abiding citizens are not the problem. Criminals do not care about laws, If they do, we wont have crimes. No one is emotionally attached to their guns beyond how they are attached to any item of defence or any item that makes your life easier/ better




Why is every liberal solution to any problem has to involve more government? Mental health starts from the home, having a stable family, having community support, Not just more and more govt. You have guns, most of your neighbors have guns, gun violence usually increase in areas of poverty and low family involvement in kids lifes and this goes back again to erosion of family values which liberals and democrats like to mock consistently



Again govt should not replace the role of parents. You gave birth to say 2 kids because that's what you can legit care for financially, emotionally and otherwise. Did you give birth to dump them on govt t provide feeding housing and otherwise? The money that will be used is not coming from the sky, its coming from parents who took personal responsibility to have kids they can cater for and cared to be present in the life of their kids. Cococandy has 2 kids, Ramdeter want to have 15 kids because cococandy will be taxed to care for my 15.. If you want to care for 15kids then you will go ahead and have 15 yourself. When we consistently expand govt spending, the country will go broke


You have it upside down here. Caring for families start with having the number of kids you can cater for knowing your income, your lifestyle. Your health. You cannot have capacity for 2 kids have 7 and say your income cannot cater for it so employers have to pay you more than your skill level because you have kids or employers have to bend their company policies for you because you have kids.
An example your job ends by 6pm will you say your employer must allow you to leave work by 3pm because you have kids? Having kids and raising them is a choice you made and the society does not have to bend to your choices



I will not go into how people live their individual lives. They can choose to do whatever they want whether having 100 mistresses, or stay in marriages. As long as they know they are responsible for whatever outcomes they get. You dnt plant maize and reap cassava. Democrats Republicans men women all have affairs as long as you are okay with the risks and benefits

bemeruca:


What's well thought out about what you posted?
To the bold, You can victimize yourself if you want that's why you guys are losing.

Nobody believes the wolf is coming. Stop crying.

basilico:


I'll be brief and these are things I've posted herebyearbon year out.
Basically your views are the same ones I watch on MSNBC it CNN. I also watch France24, Sky, RT , at the same time , different perspectives same story.
Abortion to me is only necessary if lives are in danger. Lefties talk about it like it's another family planning option of over 20 methods freely available to prevent conception. And yes married conservative women are more very likely to get pregnant and abort.
Liberals are like the whole society has to change to accommodate the feelings of a tiny percentage.

Matt Gaetz. I posted a threadreader X summary of exactly what happened. If you are objective and not swayed by liberal bias this should have you fuming at lawfare.
https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1859748387291107797.html

Climate change is real but it's not from CO2. It's a cyclic pattern I pointed out that greenhouses pump CO2 to make plants grow and produce faster In the Iceage the same scientists say CO2 was much higher than today and dinosaurs being huge and voracious eaters could survive . More CO2 more greening and food from photosynthesis. Summary .All that talk about climate change is crap and a power grab from big oil. Why do you have to stop eating meat, live on 15 minute cities, drive EVs, get digital ID to calculate your carbon footprint, reduce passenger flights , have ESG forced on companies .. I could go on

On abortion, Planned parenthood is nothing but a baby murder operation. If a school has to have unisex washrooms to accomodate an individual why should people who don't approve abortions taxes fund abortions?

In 2021-22, abortions made up 97.1 percent of Planned Parenthood’s pregnancy resolution services, while prenatal services, miscarriage care, and adoption referrals accounted for only 1.6 percent (6,316), 0.9 percent (3,604), and 0.4 percent (1,721), respectively,” according to the institute’s analysis.

At the same time, American Life League’s STOPP International 2023 Report on Planned Parenthood CEO Compensation shows, using the latest available data, that the total compensation paid to all Planned Parenthood affiliate CEOs increased from $13.3 million in 2015 to $16.8 million in 2020 — a 26.3-percent increase.
.

raumdeuter:


The belief was not plucked from air, its based on policies in states. While I dont argue abortion and I am pro abortion there are states that do not have a limit on when you can abort



Men and women make laws, Women dont live alone. If these women care about about it, they can co-opt their husbands, brothers sons to also help fight for it



Women group are saying its an issue, you say its a red herring. Are you invalidating their concern? Everyone has a right to be concerned about whatever issue is burning them. Its disrespectful to say some people's concerns are distraction or non issues

What keeps one person up at night is different and my issues are not superior to the other perso

cococandy:
You cannot scare a reasonable woman into being afraid of trans women when in real life the people we are afraid of are men who don’t take no for an answer. I might feel bamboozled, intrigued or confused when I see a trans woman in real life, but one thing I’ll never be is afraid.

bemeruca:


What's well thought out about what you posted?
To the bold, You can victimize yourself if you want that's why you guys are losing.

Nobody believes the wolf is coming. Stop crying.

budaatum:


Remember when you were scared and I kept telling you I had faith in you (the people)?

In a way there weren't enough of you but my faith is unwavering (despite the fact Democrats might lose the next election too).

GloriousGbola:


the biggest irony about the pearl clutching over sex with minors is that the average nigerian conservative men, muslim or christian, really does not see anything wrong with sex with females under the age of 18. we saw a so called conservative on this thread defending a man caught in the uk soliciting sex from a minor. the same brigade that want to 'protect' children from raging child molesting transexuals have no problem with going after the same children - who then become temptresses who led good men into sin.

Magnoliaa:


What about men is scary enough that isn't scary about trans-IDed males?


That you can tell that he's trans, and not simply just another woman, on a first look means he's not passing well. And what would draw your attention to him, to have you bamboozled or intrigued, would likely be because he has an obviously male build, but he's dressed in a stereotypically feminine way.


If you'll be scared or wary of any other random man, will a man putting on make-up, heels or speaking with an inflection make that wariness or the propensity for him to be dangerous disappear?


And it easily could just as well be a "cis male" who loves to play dress up. So unless there's a way for you to "metaphysically or neurologically or spiritually" tell a cross-dressing man apart from a transwoman, will you not be scared of the trans guy, but scared of a man.

So the distinction is moot, in whatever setting. Males have an homogeneous biology, and that fact, on average, gives them a physical advantage over women, and most of us are aware of it. I cannot come face to face with someone like that and gaslight myself into thinking I'm interacting with a woman and be on merry way.


And there are even so many instances of trans-IDed males being outrightly creepy and pushy and threatening and violent to women. Yes, "cis men" do same as well... even much more than trans— no. I don't even see any difference between them.

The trans males who are violent to women are like that *because* they are men, and not as a matter of isolated, individual cases.

Magnoliaa:


What about men is scary enough that isn't scary about trans-IDed males?


That you can tell that he's trans, and not simply just another woman, on a first look means he's not passing well. And what would draw your attention to him, to have you bamboozled or intrigued, would likely be because he has an obviously male build, but he's dressed in a stereotypically feminine way.


If you'll be scared or wary of any other random man, will a man putting on make-up, heels or speaking with an inflection make that wariness or the propensity for him to be dangerous disappear?


And it easily could just as well be a "cis male" who loves to play dress up. So unless there's a way for you to "metaphysically or neurologically or spiritually" tell a cross-dressing man apart from a transwoman, will you not be scared of the trans guy, but scared of a man.

So the distinction is moot, in whatever setting. Males have an homogeneous biology, and that fact, on average, gives them a physical advantage over women, and most of us are aware of it. I cannot come face to face with someone like that and gaslight myself into thinking I'm interacting with a woman and be on merry way.


And there are even so many instances of trans-IDed males being outrightly creepy and pushy and threatening and violent to women. Yes, "cis men" do same as well... even much more than trans— no. I don't even see any difference between them.

The trans males who are violent to women are like that *because* they are men, and not as a matter of isolated, individual cases.

cococandy:


I couldn’t respond to all my mentions but I’m going to respond to you.

It’s laughable that you can look at the caliber of posts you put up here and look at mine and somehow come to the conclusion that I’m victimizing myself.
Victimizing myself to YOU? Please 🤭.

I was merely pointing out how you were doing that lazy thing incels do. Where every woman they come across is “emotional”. Instead of admitting they don’t have the bandwidth to adequately respond.

Can you show me how many of your fellow guys you’ve called emotional even when you strongly disagree with them? I won’t hold my breath because there are none.

Your immediate thought to respond to a post backed by facts from reputable research organizations is to dismiss it as emotional. You’re either very severely incapable of processing the conversation you’ve embroiled yourself in or worse intellectually dishonest.

Be gone.

bemeruca:


Just say you are emotional and pained that I called your posts crap. You post nonsense here all the time.

Victimize yourself as that's what it always comes down to.

95% of all you post are nonsense.

You have been crying wolf since Trump won.

cococandy:
The statistics (in America) don’t support the claims that trans women are a danger to women. I don’t know about other countries but here in America, they are four times more likely to be victims instead. The only reason why I lay emphasis on USA is because they are being used a distraction by conservatives in our political system.

bemeruca:


This is another misleading nonsense. Statistic don't support claims that trans women are danger to women.

This is why I say 95% of the crap you post are nonsense. Of course trans people are not threat to anyone for being trans.

cococandy:
The statistics (in America) don’t support the claims that trans women are a danger to women.

Magnoliaa:


My comment to you was mostly in response to you saying that women are afraid of men or have reasons to be, but will not be afraid of trans-IDed males.


The basis for that fear is biological. And I get it, it is not an irrational, psychotic fear (especially if I haven't experienced anything traumatic from a man). I don't cross to the other side of the street when I see a strange man coming by or do anything like that too. It's just a naturally occurring wariness, or care... a modicum of self-awareness... whatever. And it is simply because they are (socialized) males.

You *cannot* account for every 'trans woman' out there, and categorically state that they haven't been socialised into, and haven't internalised some unhealthy behaviours males are typically raised to exhibit. They are males.

And all males present that hypothetical danger to every woman, regardless of dressing or orientation or intention.


The majority of men are also not *actual* violent killers and criminals, it's only a few of them wrecking the most havoc, but because you cannot tell which man is dangerous, and for purposes of conversation, a baseline safety standards, to mention a few, we say men. We call it male violence against women. Create women-only spaces. And generally encourage women to be 'observant' of their surroundings and take precautions (I do not say this to imply that the burden of being safe from crimes should fall on women).

So is it all trans-IDed males that pose a danger to women? No. But women HAVE been harmed by transwomen, from prisons to bathrooms to other close-contact situations. And it is not just one or two or three or even ten cases.


There was one one time who wanted women at a women-only salon or spa to massage his balls and wax him, because he identifies as a woman, apparently. I don't remember the exact details of the story anymore, and if he brought a suit against them. But cases like these, and more deadly ones exist to justify a reasonable fear of trans-IDed males on the part of women.

And of course, this fact doesn't negate that they can be victims or are victims at the hands of other non-trans-IDed males, right. That's a different subject.

You can Google each of the cases in the picture below to confirm them.

Ordinarily, I've always been of the stance the term 'woman' should always be definable for feminism to also be, and to be a meaningful vehicle for change. That's just in concept. It was in radical feminist spaces that I came across the subject of transgenderism, and "transwomen" by extention.

So that incels and alt rights and others of such are using it/them as a political propaganda is just a side of it.

Magnoliaa:


My comment to you was mostly in response to you saying that women are afraid of men or have reasons to be, but will not be afraid of trans-IDed males.


The basis for that fear is biological. And I get it, it is not an irrational, psychotic fear (especially if I haven't experienced anything traumatic from a man). I don't cross to the other side of the street when I see a strange man coming by or do anything like that too. It's just a naturally occurring wariness, or care... a modicum of self-awareness... whatever. And it is simply because they are (socialized) males.

You *cannot* account for every 'trans woman' out there, and categorically state that they haven't been socialised into, and haven't internalised some unhealthy behaviours males are typically raised to exhibit. They are males.

And all males present that hypothetical danger to every woman, regardless of dressing or orientation or intention.


The majority of men are also not *actual* violent killers and criminals, it's only a few of them wrecking the most havoc, but because you cannot tell which man is dangerous, and for purposes of conversation, a baseline safety standards, to mention a few, we say men. We call it male violence against women. Create women-only spaces. And generally encourage women to be 'observant' of their surroundings and take precautions (I do not say this to imply that the burden of being safe from crimes should fall on women).

So is it all trans-IDed males that pose a danger to women? No. But women HAVE been harmed by transwomen, from prisons to bathrooms to other close-contact situations. And it is not just one or two or three or even ten cases.


There was one one time who wanted women at a women-only salon or spa to massage his balls and wax him, because he identifies as a woman, apparently. I don't remember the exact details of the story anymore, and if he brought a suit against them. But cases like these, and more deadly ones exist to justify a reasonable fear of trans-IDed males on the part of women.

And of course, this fact doesn't negate that they can be victims or are victims at the hands of other non-trans-IDed males, right. That's a different subject.

You can Google each of the cases in the picture below to confirm them.

Ordinarily, I've always been of the stance the term 'woman' should always be definable for feminism to also be, and to be a meaningful vehicle for change. That's just in concept. It was in radical feminist spaces that I came across the subject of transgenderism, and "transwomen" by extention.

So that incels and alt rights and others of such are using it/them as a political propaganda is just a side of it.

IjeBos:


But it is still a small percentage of violent trans women which is part of even smaller percentage of people that are trans.
And I'm not pro trans women or men, but think it's important not to overestimate the stats.

I had a friend from church whose son tried to commit suicide 2 times because he felt uncomfortable with his sexuality and wanted to transition. The parents who have a lot of resources did everything they could before the 2nd suicide attempt (psychology, programs, etc). He still tried to commit suicide a 2nd time. The parents (very religious) finally relented while watching their kid in the hospital the 2nd time.. they just wanted their child alive. They are going to allow him to transition and have started using his/her specific pronouns.

All that to say this issue isn't as black and white as some want it to be. There's a lot of very personal context.

cococandy:

Okay. What neighborhood do you live in America and what is the rate of trans violence against straight people in that neighborhood? I want to be convinced with numbers. Not sentiments.

Nothing you guys have said is convincing enough to make me want to vote Republican.

Against my bodily autonomy.
Against no fault divorce.
Against Paid maternity leave.
Against income equality across the board.

These are issues that directly affect women and against which the right wing consistently votes.
Right wing law makers are proposing a ban to contraceptives (while restricting abortion access).

So bringing arbitrary scenarios of female prisons and female athletes who are sharing a space with trans women as if you care is not cutting it.

raumdeuter:


Ex0lain with example what you mean by income inequality across board

Paid maternity leave will be dependent on your employer. If you are employer how long will you give for maternity leave.

I know a female friend who owns a law firm and one of her staff got a lengthy paid maternity leave and she resumed with another pregnancy, the lady employer had to have a sit down with her on how this situation will not work for the business and she might have to let her go to chase her personal dreams of having multiple kids

raumdeuter:


Ex0lain with example what you mean by income inequality across board

Paid maternity leave will be dependent on your employer.

If you are employer how long will you give for maternity leave.

I know a female friend who owns a law firm and one of her staff got a lengthy paid maternity leave and she resumed with another pregnancy, the lady employer had to have a sit down with her on how this situation will not work for the business and she might have to let her go to chase her personal dreams of having multiple kids

raumdeuter:
Ex0lain with example what you mean by income inequality across board

Paid maternity leave will be dependent on your employer. If you are employer how long will you give for maternity leave.

cococandy:
I said income equality. And by that I mean paying workers the same amount of money for the same job and years of experience. No I’m not saying a person who only works part time should the same as someone who worked full time with same level of experience doing the same job.

I am referring to “right to work” states who don’t support unions. Who discourage employees from engaging in wage transparency conversations. My union ensures that everyone’s pay is equal. You earn as much or as little as you’d like based on how much work you put in. But the hourly is the same for everyone at the same level. Pew research found that women in America make 82% of male wages and the number goes down as things like race etc gets added to the equation. Your party voted down a bill that required employers to show that these wage gaps weren’t based on gender. No surprise.

But it shouldn’t and that’s the problem. Paid maternity leave should be mandatory not employer dependent. Employer dependent means some people get it and others don’t. Women are going back to work 3 weeks postpartum because their PTO ran out and they can’t use unpaid FMLA because they need food and lights on at home.

Do republicans want women to have babies or not? There’s no argument that would make up for the fact that other countries have paid maternity leave and America doesn’t. Their economies haven’t crumbled since they’ve been doing that. It’s actually shameful that we don’t have that in America and your party is the main reason why.



I think 3 months paid is fine plus 3 months of FMLA. Total 6 months. I remember growing up in Nigeria (a so called 3rd world country) and our parents got 3 months paid leave. It’s embarrassing for America that we don’t.



I don’t fault your friend. However, that is a direct result of employer dependent maternity leave programs. The employer has to eat the cost when an employer does that. In other 1st world countries, the govt pays it so the employer is not stressed when you take a parental leave.

We can do better.

Research findings reported in Women Don’t Ask:
Women Don’t Like to Negotiate
In surveys, 2.5 times more women than men said they feel “a great deal of apprehension” about negotiating.
Men initiate negotiations about four times as often as women.
https://ucd-advance.ucdavis.edu/post/women-dont-ask-negotiation-and-gender-divide#:~:text=Research%20findings%20reported%20in%20Women%20Don't%20Ask%3A&text=In%20surveys%2C%202.5%20times%20more,times%20as%20often%20as%20women.

budaatum:


Income inequality is men and women not being paid the same for the job.

I'd rather not leave maternity pay to the whim of an employer. There should be federal laws for maternity leave. Thankfully, even Republicans should like their new mothers to spend time with their precious babies.

Along with maternity leave, I'd want DEI laws to ensure you hire women.

raumdeuter:


All these require money, where will govt get money from? Increase taxes? Are the citizens willing to take additional burden of taxes? I am not

Govt has to pay for it somehow.

budaatum:

Reduce company tax by 2% so companies pay for it. Better still, add 1% tax to the top 10% earners in companies of $100m revenue plus and pay for it with that.
We need to increase the population. Its either open the border or encourage local child birth.

budaatum:


Income inequality is men and women not being paid the same for the job.

I'd rather not leave maternity pay to the whim of an employer. There should be federal laws for maternity leave. Thankfully, even Republicans should like their new mothers to spend time with their precious babies.


Along with maternity leave, I'd want DEI laws to ensure you hire women.

descarado:


The pay is not full pay. It can barely cover your bills. There is an option of borrowing up to a certain amount and when you start work, deductions will be made every month.

descarado:


The pay is not full pay. It can barely cover your bills. There is an option of borrowing up to a certain amount and when you start work, deductions will be made every month.

raumdeuter:


The maternity leave thing is also part of taking responsibility for your life and action. If you are a woman you want to have a big family and another woman who doesn't want to have kids. You have to plan with your partner and decide what works best for you. Having children is a personal decision or ambition and there are costs to it which you have to be okay with everything that comes with your decision

The 3 months leave its someone paying for it. If govt mandates it, then will the govt pay employers to keep employees on payroll. And where will the govt get that money from? Govt doesnt pluck money from the sky. Are you okay with increasing your taxes so they can provide 3 months maternity to every woman? Will it be fair to Include those men and women who chose not to have kids to have their taxes increased to pay for maternity leaves for those who chose to

US has the richest and most prosperous individuals because the govt doesn't tax us like in those countries. Will you be okay with paying 50 to 60% taxes to get all these utopia of what and what govt should be doing? Top earners in states like California already pay 37% federal, 13% state which adds up to 50%. Are you okay with an extra 10% making 60% of your total income to pay for these stuffs Democrats want govt to further take on their bloated plates? I am not comfortable with it. I am okay with small govt

raumdeuter:


When you reduce company tax by 2% the shortfall in the govt income who will make up for it?

Why add 1% to top 10% earners? Did they tell anyone to give birth to children? Some of these top 10% do not even have kids they don't even want kids or had kids they took care of by themselves. Elon for example has 11 kids, no one is helping him. If you can afford 50 kids absolutely go for it not increasing someone else's taxes to care for your kids

cococandy:
Rumdueter America can afford to pay parental leave.
We have trillions for wars. If we vote for paid parental leave, a few billionaire military contractors would just have to do with less privately owned islands and yachts. That’s about the only sacrifice anyone would be making for it to come true