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Re: French Team Refuses To Train by eldee(m): 1:45pm On Jun 21, 2010
mbulela:

dude, that phrase does not apply.
i would be glad if you could explain how it fits within this context?
What is xenophobic in my comment?

Hehehe . . . you're questioning my use of language instead of the point I raised??
Anyway, xenophobia is the fear of an alien group/concept/way of life. . . moral panic is just the expression of anger towards a set of people because of a deviation from what has been falsely considered right for a long time.
In this case people that watched football in the 70s/80s are scared that the way players are getting money these days and feel it should be blamed for everything that happens in modern football.
Any more grammar lessons you want to give me??

mbulela:

the fact that they cannot do it with Fergie, Wenger or Ancelotti reinforces my point.
they know where their bread is buttered.If you can act in such unprofessional manner like Anelka did and the rest of the squad did,then you are not truly proferssional.

Dude, you're taking the blame away from the manager and putting it on the players and money.
'Commercialisation' is not to blame for this, players have been going on strike before money came into football.

Evra isn't earning up to half what Kaka used to at Milan, yet we never heard of Kaka talking back to Dunga.
Messi is being played out of position by Maradona, he's too scared to say anything . . . it's not about the money, it is the Manager.
Re: French Team Refuses To Train by youngies(m): 1:56pm On Jun 21, 2010
Vavavoom:

I saw the bird, the grey-white Quail
aloft the Algerian goal
quiet and undistrubed
It had the best view for the whole 90
making its nest in so much tranquil
knowing the bereft men in white
wouldn't hit a barn door from 2 yards
Piss poor English like the French
Ego bags dufus in blue and white
soon to board their expedient flight
their folly the tale of Irish delight
aurevoir! Les Blue we hear the Irish cry
Sweet song of Karma ''the hand of frog''

CLASSIC!!! cheesy
Re: French Team Refuses To Train by RuuDie(m): 3:15pm On Jun 21, 2010
Pray. . . . how has evra disgraced himself
Re: French Team Refuses To Train by Bamise(m): 3:50pm On Jun 21, 2010
What u sow; u shall reap!!!. Afterall, they cheated Ireland and did not deserve to be in the world cup after Thiery Henry used his hand to secure them a place in the mundial. Serves them right.
Re: French Team Refuses To Train by uchetobi(f): 4:38pm On Jun 21, 2010
what an indiscipline team, i believe the curse of the irish on Henry's handball is following them


No team or player is bigger than the country or coach

I hear they are back to training now sha!

Either ways the french are out because i know uruguay and mexico will draw their match
Re: French Team Refuses To Train by mamagee3(f): 5:01pm On Jun 21, 2010
Oops!

Let's just say these over-rated team have just received the highest blow in the tooth after Thierry Henry isn't fit enough to play. .

What a ridiculous excuse for a loss. grin
Re: French Team Refuses To Train by chrisical(m): 5:49pm On Jun 21, 2010
The french team is truly in complete disarray.
Re: French Team Refuses To Train by Newest: 6:06pm On Jun 21, 2010
chrisical:

The french team is truly in complete disarray.

GBAM,
Re: French Team Refuses To Train by Kgdavid(m): 6:52pm On Jun 21, 2010
Vavavoom:

I saw the bird, the grey-white Quail
aloft the Algerian goal
quiet and undistrubed
It had the best view for the whole 90
making its nest in so much tranquil
knowing the bereft men in white
wouldn't hit a barn door from 2 yards
Piss poor English like the French
Ego bags dufus in blue and white
soon to board their expedient flight
their folly the tale of Irish delight
aurevoir! Les Blue we hear the Irish cry
Sweet song of Karma ''the hand of frog''


lol who is responsible for this?
Re: French Team Refuses To Train by reindeer: 7:22pm On Jun 21, 2010
The Irish God at work!!
Re: French Team Refuses To Train by eros(m): 7:47pm On Jun 21, 2010
reindeer:

The Irish God at work!!

LOL
Re: French Team Refuses To Train by Nobody: 3:24am On Jun 22, 2010
@everyone wondering why Henry doesnt play.
the guy is old, he "supposedly" cant play 90mins at top level and thats why they only bring him as sub.

lanre_s:

WHEN THE FOOLISH COACH DECIDED TO LEAVE BENZEMA AND NASRI OUT OF THE FRENCH SQUAD, I KNEW HE WAS HEADING FOR TROUBLE. FOR CHRIST SAKE, BENZEMA PLIES HIS TRADE WITH MADRID (THOUGH HE WASNT A REGULAR) AND WOULD HAVE ADDED SOME BITE UPFRONT. EVEN NIGERIA WENT TO THE WORLD CUP WITH A DANNY SHITTU THAT DID NOT SEE 90 MINS IN A SEASON.
AND WHAT OF NASRI? A FANTASTIC YOUNG LAD WHO PLAYED THE POSITION OF CESC FABREGAS WHEN THE SPANIARD WAS INJURED. I STILL CANNOT FORGET NASRI'S GOAL AGAINST FC PORTO IN THE CHAMPIONS LEAGUE.

Domenech is a strange guy. he said all along during the WC qualifier that any players who are not regular in their respective team, will not make it to the WC. the only one who was excluded from this "rule" was HENRY.
so thats why  Benzema/Nasri/Ben Arfa/Menez finally didnt make it(although Ben Arfa was part of the last 30).

Seekers:

is dat a coach?sum1 shld answer dat, silly  drop nasri and benzema,gave evra captain ahead of some other senior players(xcluding gallas,doesnt wot a leader), bench experience henry, am speechless.tank GOD dey ve sack the  n why choose a successor b4 worldcup, do u xpct him to performing kniwing he's already sack?strupid fa

there has been a lot of talks about Domenech to leave ever since the 2006 WC but he managed to stay on for 4 yrs even after the 2008 fiasco in Europe.  the FFF who let that imb*ecile stay in charge are also to be blamed.
so finally it was arranged that his reign should be over after SA and although it has not been confirmed yet by the FFF, Laurent Blanc is suppose to take over.

although Zidane who is in SA thought the strike was uncalled for, he stood by the players saying that what was said in the locker room should have NEVER leave the locker room.
the problems are stacking up as we have now the team main sponsors dropping like flies and even Sarko getting involved.
Re: French Team Refuses To Train by mbulela: 3:34am On Jun 22, 2010
eldee:

Hehehe . . . you're questioning my use of language instead of the point I raised??
Anyway, xenophobia is the fear of an alien group/concept/way of life. . . moral panic is just the expression of anger towards a set of people because of a deviation from what has been falsely considered right for a long time.
In this case people that watched football in the 70s/80s are scared that the way players are getting money these days and feel it should be blamed for everything that happens in modern football.
Any more grammar lessons you want to give me??

Dude, you're taking the blame away from the manager and putting it on the players and money.
'Commercialisation' is not to blame for this, players have been going on strike before money came into football.

Evra isn't earning up to half what Kaka used to at Milan, yet we never heard of Kaka talking back to Dunga.
Messi is being played out of position by Maradona, he's too scared to say anything . . . it's not about the money, it is the Manager.

I do not need your lessons in grammar but thanks all the same.
my point in highlighting the phrase in question was that there was absolutely nothing xenophobic about my comments and i wish to Reiterate that while the manager is a problem (and this is not the first team to have a silly manager), the players have no sense of responsibility whatsoever.
The french players are examples of a wide spread malaise that has afflicted the game in recent times.
That does not mean that you cannot find examples of players who are exceptions.The fact is that the attitude of the french players is the norm in recent times.
What has that strike solved?
How can any sane person defend the actions of Anelka in this case?
Are they the first set of individuals to have a mad man as a boss?
There is so much focus on the commercial aspects of the game today that most of the elite players seem cocooned in a world devoid of reality.
These spoilt brats need a good smack on their thick heads.
The presence of a few sane souls in their midst (two of which you mentioned) does not detract from that point.
Re: French Team Refuses To Train by mbulela: 6:43am On Jun 22, 2010
I'd like to meet Mr Anelka and give him a piece of my mind as a mother," said pensioner Mrs Domenech.

Chelsea star Anelka was booted out of the World Cup after launching a foul-mouthed tirade against coach Raymond Domenech in the 2-0 defeat to Mexico, a result which has left the 1998 champions teetering on the brink of elimination.

He was then expelled before the rest of the squad staged a one-day strike in sympathy and refused to train.

"It's distressing to be insulted like that, because he is not just the coach but he is also my son. It's a double insult to my son and to me as his mother," Mrs Domenech told RTL radio
Re: French Team Refuses To Train by RuuDie(m): 7:15am On Jun 22, 2010
Mbulela,

u can blame Anelka and the whole french squad of players all u want, but the underlying fact remains that Domenech had since lost the respect of the French players and nation as a whole. . . . the handwriting has always been on the wall and the FFF chose to ignore it.

Results were not coming good, performances were piss poor - Domenech never inspired, never instilled any form confidence in them; the french public never had any shred of belief in him, many might sympathise with him now, but it doesn't go beyond that.

How the French players have managed to live with such glaring tactical/technical & man management deficiencies to date, I cannot help but wonder. . . . . . It's a big shame on the French nation that such is happening at the biggest stage in football but it is best becuz there has to be DRASTIC changes, probably this is the only way it could be achieved!
Re: French Team Refuses To Train by tkb417(m): 8:48am On Jun 22, 2010
"I told the players they had tarnished the image of France," she said. "It is a morale disaster for French football.

"I told them they could no longer be heroes for our children. They have destroyed the dreams of their countrymen, their friends and supporters."

French sports paper L'Equipe wrote: "A rebellion? No, a caprice. A strike? No, cowardliness. Don't deceive yourself. The republican solidarity that our players showed the world yesterday is an illusion.

"Evra has once and for all shown that he has muddled up the role of captain with that of a gang leader.

"Domenech, by lending a hand to this masquerade and reading out himself the players' statement, has missed his final opportunity to show some style and courage."

Newspaper Le Figaro added: "It is collective suicide, the French team has heaped ridicule on itself in front of the whole world at Knysna.

"It was almost hallucinatory. This is a psychodrama that will go down in the history of the World Cup. The French team has been reduced to ashes."
Strong words coming from the political circles in France

i think the players have succesfully initiated themselves into french football hall of shame
I think they have lost the respect of their fans and their political class

like the woman said, that act wasnt a strike action but absolute cowardice, sheer irresponsibility and abuse of trust

u dont hold ur country to ransom no matter what
shame on them
Re: French Team Refuses To Train by tkb417(m): 8:52am On Jun 22, 2010
Results were not coming good, performances were piss poor - Domenech never inspired, never instilled any form confidence in them; the french public never had any shred of belief in him, many might sympathise with him now, but it doesn't go beyond that.
forget tactics, forget glaring ineptitude, forget all that

The players were fcking imbeciles

20% goes to the coach for not handling the situation very well. All these has got nothing to do with his tactical nous

Players are known to say rubbish whenever they are on heat
did you hear that asswipe called Terry berating Capellos tactics?

The french players are just not who they seem to be on TV
bunch of tramps. How dare you protest the expulsion of a player who verbally abused the coach

for what?

silly bunch
Re: French Team Refuses To Train by mbulela: 9:52am On Jun 22, 2010
RuuDie:

Mbulela,

u can blame Anelka and the whole french squad of players all u want, but the underlying fact remains that Domenech had since lost the respect of the French players and nation as a whole. . . . the handwriting has always been on the wall and the FFF chose to ignore it.

Results were not coming good, performances were piss poor - Domenech never inspired, never instilled any form confidence in them; the french public never had any shred of belief in him, many might sympathise with him now, but it doesn't go beyond that.

How the French players have managed to live with such glaring tactical/technical & man management deficiencies to date, I cannot help but wonder. . . . . . It's a big shame on the French nation that such is happening at the biggest stage in football but it is best becuz there has to be DRASTIC changes, probably this is the only way it could be achieved!
Bros,
so the ineptitude and idiocy of Domenech is an acceptable reason for the verbal volleys Anelka unleashed on the man, right?
If they have managed to put up with the man this long, why not just endure for another week, since it is certain he was leaving?
What drastic change were they expecting?
What exactly were they intending on achieving with that imbecilic act?
force the man to quit on the spot?
push the frontiers of what is unacceptable and confirm the suspicion that they are spoilt brats? (my guess is that this is all they have proven).

I have said it before, these silly boys are not the first persons to have a silly man as boss and team leader and i am sure you will not act likewise and throw your toys out of the pram if faced with a similar situation in real life.
Patrice, hid your head in shame.You are a disgrace!!!!!!!!
Re: French Team Refuses To Train by RuuDie(m): 11:21am On Jun 22, 2010
mbulela:

Bros,
so the ineptitude and idiocy of Domenech is an acceptable reason for the verbal volleys Anelka unleashed on the man, right?
If they have managed to put up with the man this long, why not just endure for another week, since it is certain he was leaving?
What drastic change were they expecting?
What exactly were they intending on achieving with that imbecilic act?
force the man to quit on the spot?
push the frontiers of what is unacceptable and confirm the suspicion that they are spoilt brats? (my guess is that this is all they have proven).

I have said it before, these silly boys are not the first persons to have a silly man as boss and team leader and i am sure you will not act likewise and throw your toys out of the pram if faced with a similar situation in real life.
Patrice, hid your head in shame.You are a disgrace!!!!!!!!

Guy. . . . this will not be the first and last time that players will protest over anything. . . . u ask why they couldn't just endure for 1-week more I'm sure u knw that patience like every other thing about life runs out eventually - when it will, nobody knows! They have been putting up with Domenech's stupidity since 2004!!!

Even in Africa where respect for elders, leaders & authority is vehemently encouraged, there comes a point where certain things are not accepted from a leader/elder/authority!
Have you even bothered to ask yourself why all the players are totally in support of Anelka!? Not one single voice raised in dissent!
I don't think you know Domenech at all, you probably only just heard of him last week - he's been at loggerheads with French footballers since the very second he was made manager.


What drastic change were they expecting? What exactly were they intending on achieving with that imbecilic act?

Watch and see; Domenech will leave, the bloody ignoramuses' in the FFF will leave too but the bulk of players in this current Les Bleus side will still be there in years to come - thats the power of a football player on show for you!
Re: French Team Refuses To Train by mbulela: 11:31am On Jun 22, 2010
RuuDie:

Guy. . . . this will not be the first and last time that players will protest over anything. . . . u ask why they couldn't just endure for 1-week more I'm sure u knw that patience like every other thing about life runs out eventually - when it will, nobody knows! They have been putting up with Domenech's stupidity since 2004!!!

Even in Africa where respect for elders, leaders & authority is vehemently encouraged, there comes a point where certain things are not accepted from a leader/elder/authority!
Have you even bothered to ask yourself why all the players are totally in support of Anelka!? Not one single voice raised in dissent!
I don't think you know Domenech at all, you probably only just heard of him last week - he's been at loggerheads with French footballers since the very second he was made manager.


Watch and see; Domenech will leave, the bloody ignoramuses' in the FFF will leave too but the bulk of players in this current Les Bleus side will still be there in years to come - thats the power of a football player on show for you!

Your line of thought in the first highlighted bold phrase is extremely incorrect.
Kindly perish that thought.

it is stale news and i am sure someone as knowledgeable as you must have heard that Laurent Blanc signed a contract to take over the national team immediately after the world cup and that was made public weeks before the world cup began.
So i ask you again, in the light of the fact that the silly Domenech was leaving in a week (or two if they are lucky enough), what exactly was the purpose of that moronic and imbecilic act that Patrice Evra led?
Re: French Team Refuses To Train by Olaolufred(m): 12:13pm On Jun 22, 2010
Doing same thing same way and expecting different results could be called madness.

This french team knew sooo well that they need different approach to win their match against S.A.

So they technically resolved to Resting soooooo well to have all energy reserved for the final cruxifixion of S.A.

They trained soo hard to draw one and lose one. The only strategy to get them a win is to shun training.

True Talk. You will see how potent this tactic is after 90mins. of play.
Re: French Team Refuses To Train by RuuDie(m): 12:19pm On Jun 22, 2010
Mbulela,

If Le Blanc is now manager of france, i do not know; as at two weeks ago, i had not even heard traces of such a speculation - na 4 ur mouth i jus dey hear am now.

My point exactly is this. . . . no matter how idiotic you think the action of the french team is, they are the 1 indidpensable factor in the whole equation.
This whole episode just goes to show you that if the players are not happy with the manager, nothing good can be achieved.
Seemingly Domenech never tried for 1ce to listen to his players or show them respect. He has had a history of doing things without bothering to offer simple explanations to the people he is working with (if u want, i can reel out a host of 'em) - now tell me, is that the way to show respect to the people you work with even if they're below you!?

Your grouse is with the timing of their action. . . . . . but does an angry man think about time!?

Abegi, its been long overdue jare!
Re: French Team Refuses To Train by tkb417(m): 12:33pm On Jun 22, 2010
If Le Blanc is now manager of france, i do not know; as at two weeks ago, i had not even heard traces of such a speculation - na 4 your mouth i jus dey hear am now.
Blanc is taking over the team after the world cup
it was announced

and when did the players start feeling iffy under Domenech?
they arent pleased with the player and had to support a player that abused his coach?
how do you justify that?

are they the only set of players working under a crazy coach?
arent the Portueguese struggling under Quieroz? didnt they come back to win 7-0
are the english people not struggling under Capello (even tho Mr.Stupid made some rubbish comments about the coach), have they gone to the extent of verbally abusing the coach or going on training strike?

Truth be told, these set of French footballers lack class and no right thinking club will look at a player like Evra as a captain anymore
he has displayed immaturity, pettiness and clealy he is not a leader
Im sure his own defination of being a leader is holding his country to ransom; i feel like he shd be sacked frm UTD sef grin grin grin
Re: French Team Refuses To Train by RuuDie(m): 1:03pm On Jun 22, 2010
tkb417:

are they the only set of players working under a crazy coach?
arent the Portueguese struggling under Quieroz? didnt they come back to win 7-0
are the english people not struggling under Capello (even tho Mr.silly made some rubbish comments about the coach), have they gone to the extent of verbally abusing the coach or going on training strike?

My guy, France have been struggling since 2007 & don't even try to liken "Drama King" Domenech's situation to Quieroz or Capello. . . . . the latter, at least, give their players a listening ear and offer explanations for their actions expecially where it affects the team and arouses public consciousness. For example, Quieroz was guilty playing CR9 as a forward instead of his favored wide right, but now he's given in to popular demand & see the results.


tkb417:

Truth be told, these set of French footballers lack class and no right thinking club will look at a player like Evra as a captain anymore
he has displayed immaturity, pettiness and clealy he is not a leader
Im sure his own defination of being a leader is holding his country to ransom; i feel like he shd be sacked frm UTD sef grin grin grin

For me, Evra has acted like a skipper should; they have not held anybody to ransom, rather they've taken a stand and are sticking to it - nothing wrong with that! Tell me which player wouldn't want to have a skipper than will stand up and defend him no matter what!
The bones of the players dis-satisfaction, is that the disciplinary action by the FFF is based on press reports - what was read in the papers and on tv - no formal investigation was done or no complaints lodged, even from the affected Domenech himself or any other member of the staff- and this is totally, totally unjust!
So the French team standing by their player is totally logical!

& people keep saying "faction". . . . . . .  what faction quite unlike the super eagle mafia of yester-years, everything the french players have done, they've done in tandem, a united front; no dissenting voices, no minority/majority - what does this tell you!?
Re: French Team Refuses To Train by eldee(m): 1:11pm On Jun 22, 2010
mbulela:

I do not need your lessons in grammar but thanks all the same.
my point in highlighting the phrase in question was that there was absolutely nothing xenophobic about my comments

Do you just skim through posts?? You were trying to teach me how to use English and I corrected you and you're still clutching straws.
Go check up the definition yourself and stop trying to forcefully assert that my use of words is wrong.

mbulela:

and i wish to Reiterate that while the manager is a problem (and this is not the first team to have a silly manager), the players have no sense of responsibility whatsoever.
The french players are examples of a wide spread malaise that has afflicted the game in recent times.
That does not mean that you cannot find examples of players who are exceptions.The fact is that the attitude of the french players is the norm in recent times.
What has that strike solved?

This is pure B.S . . . players have been going on strike since the 60s, sometimes over pay.
Players have been going on strike since 1909. . . it's not something that's just started.
Any small thing and you guys blame it on the money in football, players have been going on strike since the days they earned £20 per week.

And it's not a 'norm', if it were, we wouldn't be discussing it on every World Cup thread.

Now what has the strike solved?? Well, it has exposed the inefficiency of the French Football Federation.
And they are the ones that should get majority of the blame for still keeping Domenech there . . . and the way they let a press trial guide their actions.
You cannot see these simple things but you prefer to go around throwing words like 'malaise', 'norm' . . . abeg dust your football documentaries and get an informed view madam.
Re: French Team Refuses To Train by RuuDie(m): 1:25pm On Jun 22, 2010
I particularly do not like the fact that people seem to want to make Evra look a rebel-leader like troublemaker cuz he is the skipper of the side. . . . . I've watched footages and seen photos of the whole saga and it never appeared like the unruly, stampede of protest that people are tryna make it out to be!

Here's Evra - 2 instances discussing civilly enough with Domenech on 1 hand & the players on the other!

Re: French Team Refuses To Train by RuuDie(m): 1:30pm On Jun 22, 2010
@ eldee,

abegi. . . . anytime u enter naija, just buzz me u gats man'ya ontop my head, u be correct guy! grin

i just don't understand where mbulela is coming from or heading to! undecided
Re: French Team Refuses To Train by RuuDie(m): 1:32pm On Jun 22, 2010
Scandal-hit France back in training after boycott
Mon, 21 Jun 12:50:00 2010

http://uk.eurosport.yahoo.com/21062010/2/scandal-hit-france-training-boycott.html

The troubled France team returned to training on Monday to prepare for their final Group A match against South Africa, a day after boycotting a session in support of expelled striker Nicolas Anelka.

All the France players turned up on the pitch at their World Cup base in Knysna, Western Cape, and prepared normally for their final training before Tuesday's game in Bloemfontein.

Reporters were asked to leave after 15 minutes but a team spokesman said the session went on normally.

"Everybody was there," he said.

That included fitness coach Robert Duverne, who had a heated exchange with captain Patrice Evra on Sunday after finding out that the players had decided not to train.

Evra and his team mates did so to protest against the French Football Federation (FFF)'s decision to kick Anelka out of the squad after he insulted coach Raymond Domenech at halftime of a 2-0 defeat by Mexico last week in Polokwane.

Sunday's chaotic events also saw France team director Jean-Louis Valentin say he was resigning over what he called a scandal.

The furore prompted President Nicolas Sarkozy to step in, asking sports minister Roselyne Bachelot to prolong her stay in South Africa to speak to Evra, Domenech and FFF president Jean-Pierre Escalettes on Monday.
Re: French Team Refuses To Train by eldee(m): 1:47pm On Jun 22, 2010
RuuDie:

@ eldee,

abegi. . . . anytime u enter naija, just buzz me u gats man'ya ontop my head, u be correct guy! grin

i just don't understand where mbulela is coming from or heading to! undecided

Hehehe . . . I'm holding on to that.

It's obvious that there is a snitch in the French camp, there have been more stories from their camp than any other camp in the World Cup.
In my opinion, there is a major disruption in the England camp that no one is aware of because Capello blocked off the press and no one it leaking stories.
But when Domenech and the FFF decide that they are going to drop a bombshell on the players, not in the hotel, not in the team bus . . . but in an open training session in full glare of the media, it's just a silly attempt to expose the team to reality TV style display of emotions.

Of course they would feel angry and betrayed by the French Federation for using press reports as evidence, isn't that why people draw you to a corner when they want to tell you sad news??
Re: French Team Refuses To Train by dayokanu(m): 2:49pm On Jun 22, 2010
Truth be told, these set of French footballers lack class and no right thinking club will look at a player like Evra as a captain anymore
he has displayed immaturity, pettiness and clealy he is not a leader
Im sure his own defination of being a leader is holding his country to ransom; i feel like he shd be sacked frm UTD sef

Evra has been dropped as captain and from the starting line up Aliou Diarra as captain

While Clichy takes over on the Left back position, Also 5 players are starting their first game today
Re: French Team Refuses To Train by eldee(m): 3:04pm On Jun 22, 2010
Cisse?? ?? ??
Does that guy still play football??
Re: French Team Refuses To Train by dayokanu(m): 3:14pm On Jun 22, 2010
What the French players did was a disgrace to the game. Refusing to train is bad.

You are in SOuth Africa to represent your country and not Domenech. Dummyneck was entrusted by the whole nation to lead the team, So rebellion to Domeneck who represents the country is like disrespect to your country.

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