ow11:

Perhaps there is hope!

^^^^@ow11: Just ignore Komando, he's the resident retard^^^^^

@mrmayor.you just wasted your time proving nothing.i have never heard anyone say that okrika is igbo.what you cannot deny is that there is a high mix of igbo blood in okrika and many eastern ijaws.looking at the physique and color alone is enough.okrika is ijaw but has igbo elements so is ndoki and egbema igbo but has ijaw elements.okrika is like the unconfused ika of ijaw.

I am glad this thread is continuing to educate people. I always find it interesting how many people try to keep the Igbo into the hinterland instead of the coast. Why is that?

Do you think a people such as populous as the Igbo can be contained to the hinterland? Foolish people who think the Igbo were contained to those few "south-eastern" states.

bk.babe97y:


^^^^@ow11: Just ignore Komando, he's the resident retard^^^^^

Fuc4cking Hispanic bastar/d LovePeddler!!

Imagine, a born addlebrain like you calling KOMANDO a retard.

I guess KOMANDO became a retard after he had chastened your imbec.ility in this forum.

Ibime:

And how would you know that Uwakwe to myself is an unbroken paternal lineage?. . . .its better not to draw conclusions. . . at the end of the day, Im in constant relations with distant cousins from Asa who my grandmother raised whilst you type gibberish about Igbo-denial.

There's no gibberish here. It's a sociological fact that in societies where people take their fathers' names and not their mothers' such names can and have been used to trace ancestory. Whether you see yourself as an Igbo or Ijaw is simply a function of your own current situation, and nobody can change that.
However if Uwakwe was your maternal g-g-great grand father, then we simply have no conflict, because Igbos have a strick patrilinial inheritance. Infact, if your mother's immediate father was Uwakwe and your father is Ijaw, then you're certainly Ijaw, because Igbos will never recognise you as their son, but as nwadiala.

mrmayor:

I really don't have time for history lesson neither do I have the time to engage in Tribal Battles, I'll give some history outlines, advice do some research.

1. 14th century[b] Ibani[/b] people (Bonny to British) (Ubani to Ibos/Igbos) of of the Isedani linage left the homeland (Tubaratoro present day Kolokuma LGA [/b]in Bayelsa State)after a civil war.

2. They were led by 3 brothers [b](1) Alagbariya (2) Asikunuma aka Asimini (3) Opuamakuba. ( Read,Trading States of Oil Rivers by James Currie)

3. They travelled through salt water mangroves,Ogoni land, Ndoki-Azumini, they picked up Ibo/ Igbo people on the way, in Ibani History name like Opara Ndoli is known ( Read, Chronicle Of Grand Bonny)

4. Alagbariya was the Hunter and High Priest of Ikuba ( National God of Ibani People) Iguna was its Sacred Animal ( Read Things Fall Apart)

5. Alagbariya in his travels found a place that had the same Ecology as his original Homeland in Central Ijaw. ( Chronicles of Grand Bonny)

6. He named the place[b] OKOLOMA[/b] ( Land of Curlew) it had same brackish salt water mangrove ecology as his homeland. All Ijaw refer to Bonny as Okoloma or Ibani

7. He reported to Opuamakuba, the first settled at Orupiri, at that time Tombia people were living at present day Finima (LNG Site) and Abalama people were at Abalamabie.

8. They arrive in the new home and found very little fresh water and Alagbariya as Priest of Ikuba sacrificed his daughter Osunju to the Gods for Fresh Water.

9. History records Opara Ndoli as leader/ Ruler of Ibani people at Orupiri, he didn't make the journey to Okoloma ( Bonny)

10. Opuamakuba was the first ruler in new home Okoloma, when he became old he handed over to Hunter/ Priest Alagbariya.

11. It was during Alagbariya's rule that the Portuguese first arrive. ( Read, Intelligence Report On Bonny by H. Webber, Lower Niger and its Tribes P.A Talbot)

I'll stop here tonight.

Very good history, but please give us only references that dates before the civil war and the discovery of oil.
We can't just get up and try to re-write history to suite contemporary political situations.

EzeUche22:

I am glad this thread is continuing to educate people. I always find it interesting how many people try to keep the Igbo into the hinterland instead of the coast. Why is that?

Do you think a people such as populous as the Igbo can be contained to the hinterland? Foolish people who think the Igbo were contained to those few "south-eastern" states.

If anything, this thread has given us a little insight into what could have become of Biafra. A country where minorities are brutally supressed or made to conform to ibo customs.
There are Yorubas outside of the southwest, and they don't need anybody to goad them along, they will readily tell you they are Yorubas. Why can't you respect the right of other people in your neighbourhood to uphold their own ethnicity, just as you uphold yours!!

Aigbofa:


If anything, this thread has given us a little insight into what could have become of Biafra. A country where minorities are brutally supressed or made to conform to ibo customs.
There are Yorubas outside of the southwest, and they don't need anybody to goad them along, they will readily tell you they are Yorubas. Why can't you respect the right of other people in your neighbourhood to uphold their own ethnicity, just as you uphold yours!!

Anywayz, Back to Igbo issues . This thread is very educational.this is what nairaland should be like. The education of the Igbos here is great, it even educates us on the connection between us and the Ijo.

Aigbofa:


If anything, this thread has given us a little insight into what could have become of Biafra. A country where minorities are brutally supressed or made to conform to ibo customs.  
There are Yorubas outside of the southwest, and they don't need anybody to goad them along, they will readily tell you they are Yorubas.  Why can't you respect the right of other people in your neighbourhood to uphold their own ethnicity, just as you uphold yours!!

Aigbofa,

Many of these so called minorities are actually Igbo sub-groups and clans. It is about time that many of these Igbo clans stop playing politics and understand that it is not right for a clan to decide if they are there own ethnic group.

That is tantamount to saying that the various family clans of Japan are there own separate ethnic group, yet speak the same language and share similar cultural norms and values. If these small Igbo clans and subgroups want to be their own ethnic group, the criteria would be there language would have to be truly unique and not have any general Igbo words. An Mbaise man is able to understand the "language" being spoken by the Ikwerre and vice versa, yet many of these people have the audacity to say there language is truly unique. Yet, they answer to names like Uche or Obi. Outrageous!

And I still blame other regions for balkanizing the East. We Igbos have never claimed Ibibio, Ekoi, Ogoni, Ijaw, Igala, or Idoma. We have only claimed the Igbo speaking communities! And when did you people care about the East since any person from the East a Yoruba will ignorantly say he is Igbo. You all cannot even tell the difference between an Ibibio name with an Igbo name. Only a true native son of the East can, so do not worry about another man's business.
"If you walk like a duck, talk like a duck, and look like a duck, then most likely you are a duck!"

EzeUche, biri ka m biri. Simple.

EzeUche22:


Aigbofa,

Many of these so called minorities are actually Igbo sub-groups and clans. It is about time that many of these Igbo clans stop playing politics and understand that it is not right for a clan to decide if they are there own ethnic group.

That is tantamount to saying that the various family clans of Japan are there own separate ethnic group, yet speak the same language and share similar cultural norms and values. If these small Igbo clans and subgroups want to be their own ethnic group, the criteria would be there language would have to be truly unique and not have any general Igbo words. An Mbaise man is able to understand the "language" being spoken by the Ikwerre and vice versa, yet many of these people have the audacity to say there language is truly unique. Yet, they answer to names like Uche or Obi. Outrageous!

And I still blame other regions for balkanizing the East. We Igbos have never claimed Ibibio, Ekoi, Ogoni, Ijaw, Igala, or Idoma. We have only claimed the Igbo speaking communities! And when did you people care about the East since any person from the East a Yoruba will ignorantly say he is Igbo. You all cannot even tell the difference between an Ibibio name with an Igbo name. Only a true native son of the East can, so do not worry about another man's business.
"If you walk like a duck, talk like a duck, and look like a duck, then most likely you are a duck!"

Why can't you just be secured in your own ethnicity and let others decide where they truly belong? You don't see Yorubas trying to forcibly absorb Itshekiris or Ijaws in the south west!

ChinenyeN:

EzeUche, biri ka m biri. Simple.

Mba, mba. Translation pls!

Aigbofa, it's an Igbo proverb that means "live and let live". Basically, I'm saying that if EzeUche is as Igbo as he claims, then he should understand that it is not his place to speak for another group, other than his, regarding identity. He shouldn't be forcing "Igbo" on others.

ChinenyeN:

EzeUche, biri ka m biri. Simple.

Get out of here with this rubbish!

I would expect a clannish Igbo like you to use this proverb in such a way. We are talking about politics, not something our forefathers passed to us.

ChinenyeN:

Aigbofa, it's an Igbo proverb that means "live and let live". Basically, I'm saying that if EzeUche is as Igbo as he claims, then he should understand that it is not his place to speak for another group, other than his, regarding identity. He shouldn't be forcing "Igbo" on others.

Thank you very much.

Aigbofa:

Why can't you just be secured in your own ethnicity and let others decide where they truly belong? You don't see Yorubas trying to forcibly absorb Itshekiris or Ijaws in the south west!  

in as much as i agree with you that everyone has right to self determination,your comparisons is way off it.

this is how it should have gone You don't see yorubas trying to forcibly absorb ijebus or egbas in the south west.

Eze Uche, hush boy

Aigbofa:

Why can't you just be secured in your own ethnicity and let others decide where they truly belong? You don't see Yorubas trying to forcibly absorb Itshekiris or Ijaws in the south west!  

My ethnicity includes them. The Yoruba could never claim the Ijaws, because they have their own language. It is not like we Igbos are claiming a people with a different language. These people speak our language for centuries! Not some recent occurrence.

Abagworo:

in as much as i agree with you that everyone has right to self determination,your comparisons is way off it.

this is how it should have gone You don't see yorubas trying to forcibly absorb ijebus or egbas in the south west.

Are they not forcibly absorbed by the south west?

Soon the Itsekiri who language looks Yoruba to me will soon be claimed. The Yoruba use the Itsekiri example against the Igbo even though the Yorubas have claimed there minority groups.

THE AMAKA:

Eze Uche, hush boy

Don't make me come to Cali with my DC swag and teach you a lesson.

EzeUche22:

My ethnicity includes them. The Yoruba could never claim the Ijaws, because they have their own language. It is not like we Igbos are claiming a people with a different language. These people speak our language for centuries! Not some recent occurrence.

language is not the only determinant.you can have exactly the same dialect and culture but disagree on ethnicity.it could be on the grounds of economic disadvantage .

EzeUche, the Igbo situation is socio-political. So my "biri ka m biri" comment has a place here. Sorry, but that's the simple truth.

Aigbofa:


If anything, this thread has given us a little insight into what could have become of Biafra. A country where minorities are brutally supressed or made to conform to ibo customs.
There are Yorubas outside of the southwest, and they don't need anybody to goad them along, they will readily tell you they are Yorubas. Why can't you respect the right of other people in your neighbourhood to uphold their own ethnicity, just as you uphold yours!!

If we must go back to Biafra; that name was suggested and adapted first by an Ijaw man.

Since you're bent on referring to the Yorubas, a good example will be when the Afonja family in Kwara openly and angrily insist that they're not Yorubas simply because the fulanis had helped them sabotage and deal with the Oyo king and the Yorubas in general. And like Igbos of the riverine east, these Afonja traitors or betrayers proudly go about answering Bamidele, Adenkunle while denying that they are not Yorubas

Abagworo:

language is not the only determinant.you can have exactly the same dialect and culture but disagree on ethnicity.it could be on the grounds of economic disadvantage .

Give me an example anywhere in the world where this happens. I have never heard of such logic. It just confuses my mind to hear people say this.

Where in the world does this happen except in Igboland?

EzeUche22:

Don't make me come to Cali with my DC swag and teach you a lesson.

please do! I'm begging you. . .

EzeUche22:

Are they not forcibly absorbed by the south west?

Soon the Itsekiri who language looks Yoruba to me will soon be claimed. The Yoruba use the Itsekiri example against the Igbo even though the Yorubas have claimed there minority groups.

You repeatedly used the word claim. You are little dictator aren't you? You don't just claim people, they are human beings with rights, and that includes the right to their own ethnic identity.

ChinenyeN:

EzeUche, the Igbo situation is socio-political. So my "biri ka m biri" comment has a place here. Sorry, but that's the simple truth.

ChinenyeN,

I already know you would think this way. It is because you are very clannish and see Ngwa first and foremost. However, be aware that in your precious Ngwaland, other Igbo customs and clans have infiltrated your region. And in a couple of decades, the Ngwa like many other Igbo clans will be thoroughly mixed a people from different regions move around Alaigbo.

A general Igbo person in the future will be mixed amongst many clans and that will finally break down the clan structure. And keep in mind that many Igbos in Igboland are made up of different clans.

THE AMAKA:

please do! I'm begging you. . .

You would be begging me to stop. Chineke, Chineke, Chineke. lol Let me stop.

EzeUche22:

Give me an example anywhere in the world where this happens. I have never heard of such logic. It just confuses my mind to hear people say this.

Where in the world does this happen except in Igboland?

urhobo and isoko situation.urhobo and isoko speak thesame language by igbo standards.the difference between urhobo and isoko lects is same as owerri and ngwa.they are closely related.

EzeUche22:

You would be begging me to stop.   Chineke, Chineke, Chineke. lol Let me stop.

I don't speak Igbo, but. . .
ouch, don't stop!  
[size=2pt]*let's not derail this thread any further* [/size]

EzeUche, mixing has been going on for ages. Yet, these regional identities persist, and to be honest, I doubt that these regional identities are going anywhere. Sorry, but that's just the reality of the situation. If you have a problem, take it up with Ala.

naijaking1:

If we must go back to Biafra; that name was suggested and adapted first by an Ijaw man.

Since you're bent on referring to the Yorubas, a good example will be when the Afonja family in Kwara openly and angrily insist that they're not Yorubas simply because the fulanis had helped them sabotage and deal with the Oyo king and the Yorubas in general. And like Igbos of the riverine east, these Afonja traitors or betrayers proudly go about answering Bamidele, Adenkunle while denying that they are not Yorubas

Afonja Family said they are not Yorubas? Can you provide any evidence to support that?

Bk, or is it blacksta, your face is a resident retard.