~Bluetooth:

Very funny. . . .why did you choose to run away from nigeria , Is that too big  for you to answer ?

igboitalo:

we r getting close to it mister man the river niger is being dredge, lagos will in the next six yrs have a metro system in next five yrs we will have 24hrs elctricity and remember sagamite your masters r in so much debt now that they might send u to the cotton farm again house nigga

Sagamite:

You must be retarded if you can come to a conclusion that any Nigeria that lives outside Nigeria ran from poverty.

slowpoke, when I tell you that your intelligence is below my feet you think it si a joke?

So is Hafisat Abiola running from poverty?

Is Okonjo-Iweala running from poverty?

Is Ken Wiwa running from poverty?

Is Bayo Ogunleye running from poverty?

Was Chinue Achebe running from poverty?

Fooool, which university did you attend with this your level of "analytical thinking?

manny4life:

You know why I won't justify your response above, because you just exhibited the knowledge of a typical uneducated local champion. If you studied Macro and Micro economics which I would assume u did, you would know we have two kinds of personal income; disposable and discretionary income. Any educated person like you if at all would know what they referring to is discretionary income; income acquired to maintain a standard of living. That you earned $30 doesn't meant $30 is at your disposal, just like business there is a difference between revenues and profit same applies here; Gross income and net income and net income is would be less necessities.

Ileke-IdI:

sagamite, ibinu e ti maa n poju. rora o

Sagamite:

I see.

The 24hr light you have been saying for since 1999?

It is infrastructure that is common standard in societies you are hyping up that will make Nigeria great, Plantation Nigga?

igboitalo:

plantation nigga very funny again this is for you
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8zUIjP4KWok

honeric01:

-N-20 meat in your mind? hehehe, how much do you think a meat sell for in ANY canteen in Nigeria? especially Lagos? the smallest meat cost N20, and he had more than 5 meats inside that food he bought, how much do you think a fried plantain cost? 1 piece is N5, he had more than 5 in his plate, he had spagheti too in that food, so how much in total do you think that food cost him? ( A mere scavenger).

honeric01:

You saw minerals and other stuffs there on the table right? forget about the radio, he rented chairs right? he pays for house rent which in that area he lives is as high as N2,500 naira per month (Agreement and commission is nothing less than N50k), have you ever wondered how a "poor" man like that could afford that? you saw his kids and wife looking healthy right? i am not saying we don't have poor people living in Lagos or Nigeria, but for someone to say 70% of Nigerians live below $1 a day is like saying there are only 10 overhead bridges in NY.

honeric01:

Have you ever walked through these places you call slums in Nigeria? some of these people living in a room apartment own a bike, car or even buses, some of them have houses in their villages, some of them own shops worth thousands of Naira, we all know that Nigerians can manage and don't mind living in a room in a "slum" if the benefits in that area is worth it.

honeric01:

There is no place you won't get fresh food in Nigeria, we have them in Lagos, there are markets everywhere in Lagos, so your case of them in the village eating fresh food is unfounded, if you want any kind of vegetables/fruits in Lagos, i will surely get them across to you within hrs.

honeric01:

Did you see the people in the villages walking unclothed around the villages? who told you they can't afford to clothe themselves? most of them chose not to wear good clothes or use luxury items because they surely do not see the need for it nor think it's necessary.

honeric01:

Have you ever been to a ceremony done in any village in Nigeria before? you'd be surprised to see these same people you think are poor wear what you'd never see them wear on a normal day, the life in the village is never a fake life, they live life with content and don't have time to show off like their counterparts in the cities.

honeric01:

And as for the water you are saying, yes we don't have basic amenities which everyone can attest to, but these same people have been living and drinking water, Nigerians can always solve their problems personally, just that collectively, we are so unorganized and we lack the co-operative attitude of an organized country.

Sagamite:

slowpoke that is all you got?

Tell me which College of Education certed you.

igboitalo:

reason u behave the way u do
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1zPdkKuEXFM

tkb417:

the market sellers, bus conductors, taxi drivers, hair dressers, barbers earn between 20- 50 USD a day

ola olabiy:

^^
sagamite,
what are you talking about? britain can't lecture about population. the country is about 60 million. i mean an island (britain) much smaller than france (almost 1/3) in terms of land mass. an island smaller than new orleans.
don't they know that after belgium, britain is the most densely populated country in EU.
ABEG, READ WELL.

4 Play:

The claim that the average Nigerian lives on less than a dollar day is plausible. Let's bear in mind that we are talking of all Nigerians, including infants, not the average worker.

ola olabiy:

you are right about the uk being well-planned, saga.
the issue with nigeria is not population, it is about productivity.
the percentage that is not productive in nigeria is too high.
and, illeteracy is also very high.

ola olabiy:

^^
sagamite,
what are you talking about? britain can't lecture us about population. the country is about 60 million. i mean an island (britain) that is much smaller than france (almost 1/3) in terms of land mass. an island that is smaller than new orleans.
don't they know that after belgium, britain is the most densely populated country in EU.
ABEG, READ WELL.

tkb417:

the market sellers, bus conductors, taxi drivers, hair dressers, barbers earn between 20- 50 USD a day

tensor777:

What is your point. For productivity to improve there has to be more investment in education and training PER HEAD. For a given amoumt of income there is no way this can increase if the current rate of population growth is sustained.

Sagamite:

My bad, it was plantain he said they should design his plate with. Although not clearly seen, I don't think, from what I saw, there was more than 2 pieces of meat in that plate. It was mostly spaghetti and plantain.

The food I believe would unlikely exceed N200. And people were laughing and saying he was showing off. I doubt he gets that everyday. Because he is eating that on a BBC docu does not mean he can afford it every day.

That is all speculation. The fact is that it took him 3 months to save N15K.

As I said earlier, he does not appear to be in the N150 a day group as he can afford a room and he seems a very level headed person that will be frugal but if you want to tell me that the birthday was expensive, you must be having a laugh. A deck he probably got from the dump, 20 or so hired seats, cake, food & drinks, and the best clothes of his kids (which he might already have bought not specifically for the birthday). N10K?

And as I said earlier tkb might be right that the 70% is wrong but the level of poverty at which 70% of Nigerians live is not far off.

You mean in a family of 8 and the father having an Okada is some sign of comfort?

Houses in their village? lol

I hope you mean those face-me-I-face you with no toilet?

Have you factored in the cost added when the freshies are transported from village to Lagos?

So you want to tell me a northerner that can pick tomato from the bush will expense the same as a Lagosian that has to wait for it to be transported from the North? So the transporters do it for free?

Are you having a laff? 

Seriously?

You mean they can afford the clothes but just chose not to look good?

You need to show me this new traits of the human specie to direct Anthropologists to study.

These are the kind of statements that show someone just want to say anything to keep arguing.

I have been to many. Don't BS me, mate.

If you are impressed by the limited pass-over clothes they repetitively wear, na wah.

Then feel free to describe their denture as well.

Humans don't like to show-off because they are in a village? . . . . . .  That simply does not sound logical.

You need to see the water a lot of kids in rural areas in Nigeria drink especially in the North and then you will start appreciating the human immune system as the best work of Baba.

honeric01:

Sorry bro, i won't be typing a long article for you, the point i am trying to let you know is that 70% of Nigerians don't live on a dollar a day, not even 50%, if you think i am not right, then let us have your reasons with evidence.

4 Play:

The claim that the average Nigerian lives on less than a dollar day is plausible. Let's bear in mind that we are talking of all Nigerians, including infants, not the average worker.

Nigeria's 2009 GDP per capita(total GDP divided by population) at purchasing power parity(adjusted for relative price levels as we all know a dollar in Naija buys you more than a dollar in the US) is about $2300 per person. If you divide that by 365 days, that's about $6.30 per day.

Now, if Naija's GINI coefficient is 0(no income inequality), then one can say the average Nigerian lives on $6 a day. However, Nigeria has one of the worst income inequalities on the planet. We all know that income in Nigeria is not evenly distributed. Would it be inconceivable to say that a minority of Nigerians, say 10%, take a majority of the income? 

Using the above figure of $6.30 per day, if 15% of the income went to 70% of the population(not implausible given Naija's income inequality), then the claim that average Nigerian, not the average worker, lives on less than a dollar a day is totally plausible.

It is made even more interesting if the dollar a day figure is based on dollar income calculated at market exchange rates. At market exchange rates(dollar income not adjusted for the fact that a dollar buys more in Naija), Naija's 2009 GDP per capita is $1200, or $3.6 a day. Again, adjust this for our insanely high income inequality. Either way, the claim that the average Nigerian lives on less than a dollar a day is entirely possible.

Another point people forget is that the average person here is an urban dweller. The bulk of Naija's population is to be found in rural areas. Please calculate household income in rural areas and tell me whether each member of the household lives on more 150Naira a day. If you have a rural household of 7(mother and father with 5 children), a dollar a day(market exchange rate)will imply a monthly income of 31500Naira. Is anyone saying it is far-fetched that most Nigerian households survive on this?

ola olabiy:

once again, the problem is not population. for more investment, you are are talking about governance and leadership problem. productivity will only improve if the populace becomes better informed and better educated.
population can be good or bad. it depends on what you make of it. an informed, populou.s society will always generate more collectively.
in terms of the land mass nigeria occupies, it is not a densely populated country. nigeria needs infrastructural investment.
all you have to do is help those roaming about, engage them, empower them and, as a result, create riches.

4 Play:

The claim that the average Nigerian lives on less than a dollar day is plausible. Let's bear in mind that we are talking of all Nigerians, including infants, not the average worker.

Nigeria's 2009 GDP per capita(total GDP divided by population) at purchasing power parity(adjusted for relative price levels as we all know a dollar in Naija buys you more than a dollar in the US) is about $2300 per person. If you divide that by 365 days, that's about $6.30 per day.

Now, if Naija's GINI coefficient is 0(no income inequality), then one can say the average Nigerian lives on $6 a day. However, Nigeria has one of the worst income inequalities on the planet. We all know that income in Nigeria is not evenly distributed. Would it be inconceivable to say that a minority of Nigerians, say 10%, take a majority of the income? 

Using the above figure of $6.30 per day, if 15% of the income went to 70% of the population(not implausible given Naija's income inequality), then the claim that average Nigerian, not the average worker, lives on less than a dollar a day is totally plausible.

It is made even more interesting if the dollar a day figure is based on dollar income calculated at market exchange rates. At market exchange rates(dollar income not adjusted for the fact that a dollar buys more in Naija), Naija's 2009 GDP per capita is $1200, or $3.6 a day. Again. adjust this for our insanely high income inequality. Either way, the claim that the average Nigerian lives on less than a dollar a day is entirely possible.

Another point people forget is that the average person here is an urban dweller. The bulk of Naija's population is to be found in rural areas. Please calculate household income in rural areas and tell me whether each member of the household lives on more 150Naira a day. If you have a rural household of 7(mother and father with 5 children), a dollar a day(market exchange rate)will imply a monthly income of 31500Naira. Is anyone saying it is far-fetched that most Nigerian households survive on this?

honeric01:

Sorry bro, i won't be typing a long article for you, the point i am trying to let you know is that 70% of Nigerians don't live on a dollar a day, not even 50%, if you think i am not right, then let us have your reasons with evidence.

Babalegba:

This thread reminded me of when the then president Shehu Shagari went to the United states in the early 80s and was asked about the looming economic crisis in Nigeria.His reply was 'the economy is buoyant' . A short while later the economy imploded until it got to where we are now.

4 Play:

Please refer to my post and show me reasons why it is incorrect.

Sagamite:

Wa she're!!! Well done.

Take a look at 4 Play's write up.

Let me infuse tkb's informal sector theory in it.

Surely the informal sector's addition to the GDP cannot be more than 30% at best.

I keep on telling your lot not to assert what you see in the cities (in the liveable parts of it for that matter) as average for Nigeria when there is unbelievable poverty in the rural areas.

honeric01:

So in your long sermon, you are trying to say 70% of Nigerians live below $1 a day? hehehehe, you are joking, when last were you in Nigeria? when you came to Nigeria, where did you reside? did you for once go to the markets? do you know how much food stuffs cost? the cheapest soup you can cook for a family of 2 is nothing less than -N-500 (excluding what you are to eat the soup with).

Nigeria is made up of 70% informal sector where their take home pay cannot be ascertained by any foreigner, not even the Nigerian government, so where on earth did your source get their "facts" from?

Most governments in Lagos (state and local government) are begging these people to come pay any amount they think their businesses is worth as tax, you can only analyze what you have a grip of, most Nigerians (even those working in government establishments as civil servants) have other businesses that fetch them 70% of the money they survive on, it's very uncommon not to see a Nigerian doing or having more than 2 sources of income, VERY UNCOMMON.

So i still maintain, IT'S A PURE LIE TO THINK THAT 70% OF NIGERIANS LIVE BELOW $1 A DAY!

honeric01:

So in your long sermon, you are trying to say 70% of Nigerians live below $1 a day? hehehehe, you are joking, when last were you in Nigeria? when you came to Nigeria, where did you reside? did you for once go to the markets? do you know how much food stuffs cost? the slowest soup you can cook for a family of 2 is nothing less than -N-500 (excluding what you are to eat the soup with).

Nigeria is made up of 70% informal sector where their take home pay cannot be ascertained by any foreigner, not even the Nigerian government, so where on earth did your source get their "facts" from?

Most governments in Lagos (state and local government) are begging these people to come pay any amount they think their businesses is worth as tax, you can only analyze what you have a grip of, most Nigerians (even those working in government establishments as civil servants) have other businesses that fetch them 70% of the money they survive on, it's very uncommon not to see a Nigerian doing or having more than 2 sources of income, VERY UNCOMMON.

So i still maintain, IT'S A PURE LIE TO THINK THAT 70% OF NIGERIANS LIVE BELOW $1 A DAY!