Βουκέφαλος:

I dont agree with you, even if the japanese got information that they were going to be attacked by the US, they did not declare war before they attacked pearl harbour, which means they started they war with the US and civilains died too in the pear harbour attack, NAGASAKI and HIROSIMA had to be bombed in other to force japan to surrender, they had no choice, many soldiers were dying trying to enter the japanese homeland and the fastest way to end the war was to use the bomb, After Hiroshima was bombed, The us president made a speech and asked japen to surrender or more bombs will be dropped, and since they did not,Nagasaki was bombed too, so had it been they surrendered on time they losses wouldnt be that much

violent:


You LIED, you no absolutely nothing on the attack on Pearl Harbor!!!!!!!

In 1940, following Japan's invasion of French Indochina, the United States halted shipments of airplanes, parts, machine tools, and aviation gasoline, which was perceived by Japan as an unfriendly act.

The U.S. did not stop oil exports to Japan at that time in part because prevailing sentiment in Washington was that such an action would be an extreme step, given Japanese dependence on U.S. oil and likely to be considered a provocation by Japan, , however,  the U.S. ceased oil exports to Japan in July 1941, in part because of new American restrictions on domestic oil consumption.

The naval strike was intended to neutralize the U.S. Pacific Fleet, and hence protect Japan's advance into Malaya and the Dutch East Indies, where Japan sought access to natural resources such as oil and rubber

America had no such plan of attacking Japan!. . .you should actually read up on stuff!. . .Japan attacked US cos of greed, there is no reason why US shouldn't return the favour

honeric01:

Pearl Harbor is MOSTLY for military personnel, go and do your own research, if Americans weren't preparing to attack japan in the first place, why was it so fast their response after the bombing of pearl harbor? the only 2 planes that made it out of pearl harbors were the same jets that discharged the bombs, AMERICANS WERE ALREADY PREPARED TO GO BOMB JAPAN, all Japan wanted to do was to stop the attack from happening hence the target of the military base.

please bro, go and read about this issue, there's no reason you should defend the Americans for bombing Hiroshima and Nagasaki.

The Americans were the ones that planned attack, but the Japanese reacted first by bombing the military frontier, why the Americans instead went ahead to bomb the civilians, they bypassed the Japanese frontier, flew straight to the cities. do yourself a favor, read up the rest with a neutral mindset.

violent:


you are soooooo ignorant of the world war 2, you should stop spreading unfounded information, it only takes 2 minutes to check stuff on google.

The attack on Pearl Harbor happened in 1941, America did not attack Hiroshima till 1945, where, for pete's sake did you sight two planes going out of pearl harbor?

The attack on Pearl Harbor was unprovoked and  even Japan minster was quoted saying "We won a great victory at Pearl Harbor and because of that we lost the war"

Pearl Harbor was not in the state of high alert when the attack started, Anti-Aircraft guns were unmanned.

violent:

I haven't heard anything as false since the idea that the earth was flat!

do you have any link to any website, blogs, history page, videos, podcast, books, that you use to confirm this story?

violent:

I haven't heard anything as false since the idea that the earth was flat!

do you have any link to any website, blogs, history page, videos, podcast, books, that you use to confirm this story?

violent:


you are soooooo ignorant of the world war 2, you should stop spreading unfounded information, it only takes 2 minutes to check stuff on google.

The attack on Pearl Harbor happened in 1941, America did not attack Hiroshima till 1945, where, for pete's sake did you sight two planes going out of pearl harbor?

The attack on Pearl Harbor was unprovoked and  even Japan minster was quoted saying "We won a great victory at Pearl Harbor and because of that we lost the war"

Pearl Harbor was not in the state of high alert when the attack started, Anti-Aircraft guns were unmanned.

honeric01:

Pearl Harbor is MOSTLY for military personnel, go and do your own research, if Americans weren't preparing to attack japan in the first place, why was it so fast their response after the bombing of pearl harbor? the only 2 planes that made it out of pearl harbors were the same jets that discharged the bombs, AMERICANS WERE ALREADY PREPARED TO GO BOMB JAPAN, all Japan wanted to do was to stop the attack from happening hence the target of the military base.

please bro, go and read about this issue, there's no reason you should defend the Americans for bombing Hiroshima and Nagasaki.

Βουκέφαλος:

Thnaks jare,
 America NEVER wanted to fight ww2 they did not even wants to be involved at all and they tried to settle their problems with japan before the attack on pearl harbour, When the american generals noticed that japanese military were die hards, they had to choice but he force them to surrender by the bomb, it was a neccesarry step,


are u saying that americans were prepared to bomb japan with the atomic bomb before they  were attacked at pear harbour?? the bomb wasnt even made then and go and check your history well, The attack was intended as a preventive action in order to keep the U.S. Pacific Fleet from influencing the war that the Empire of Japan was planning in Southeast Asia, against Britain and the Netherlands, as well as the U.S. in the Philippines

honeric01:

Go and read from all these links i sent, few of them support the motion i raised about America wanting to use the atomic bomb on the Japanese people with or without them surrendering in the war.




one major reason Japan attacked pearl harbor (due to the information they heard as at then that America set up that camp to attack them).

The attack was intended as a preventive action in order to keep the U.S. Pacific Fleet from influencing the war that the Empire of Japan was planning in Southeast Asia, against Britain and the Netherlands, as well as the U.S. in the Philippines. The base was attacked by Japanese aircraft (a total of 353, in two waves) launched from six aircraft carriers.[7]

Four U.S. Navy battleships were sunk (two of which were raised and returned to service later in the war) and all of the four other battleships present were damaged. The Japanese also sank or damaged three cruisers, three destroyers, an anti-aircraft training ship[8] and one minelayer. 188 U.S. aircraft were destroyed, 2,402 personnel were killed[9] and 1,282 were wounded. The power station, shipyard, maintenance, and fuel and torpedo storage facilities, as well as the submarine piers and headquarters building (also home of the intelligence section) were not attacked.

Βουκέφαλος:


If what you say is right, then why didnt Japan declare war on the US before they attacked?

honeric01:

help yourself

http://www.nuclearfiles.org/menu/key-issues/nuclear-weapons/history/pre-cold-war/hiroshima-nagasaki/decision-drop-bomb-chronology.htm


http://www.doug-long.com/hiroshim.htm

http://www.eyewitnesstohistory.com/vohiroshima.htm

http://history1900s.about.com/od/worldwarii/a/hiroshima.htm

http://www.cfo.doe.gov/me70/manhattan/hiroshima.htm

The attack was intended as a preventive action in order to keep the U.S. Pacific Fleet from influencing the war

honeric01:

Declare war in the middle of a war?

anyways, bro, can't continue, gtg offline, maybe later, i will come and add more info.

violent:


These are all links to explain the why and how America attacked Hiroshima and Nagasaki with Ariel atomic bombs, none of the links gave account of what happened at Pearl harbor and why Japan attacked America.


In other words, If i am having a fight with man A, and man A is friends with a huge well built man B, however, man B has remained neutral in our fights all along, you think it's justifiable for me to go to his house and kill all his kids just to keep him from influencing who wins the fight between man A and I?

and then man B became sooo angry, and he spent three years planning on how to get his pound of flesh, if he comes over and he wipes out the better half of my family, you think he's gone too far?


let me put it better, Just because Nigeria is an ally of Ghana, and Togo is at war with Ghana, do you suppose it's a right thing for Togo to send drones to military base in Kano just because they'd like to prevent Nigeria from helping Ghana? {i.e even though Nigeria has been neutral all along}

If Nigeria turns back and wipes out Togo, you feel Nigeria should be labelled a terrorist?. . .common, lets be reasonable!

Βουκέφαλος:

now i see that you dont even understand anything about the events of world war 2,
United states was not participating in the war UNTIL japan attacked pearl harbour, even churchill(British PM)couldnt convince the us president to Join the war until that pearl harbour attack,
So for japan to attack them they should have decalared war on the us before they try to use any military action, there are treaty commitments those days so you cant just stand up and attack any country you want, and if you dont  know too, Japan doesnt have armed forces anymore till this days because of that foo.lish  method they used, so they cant fight any war anymore till the kingdom comes

honeric01:

^^^^^

  These simple acts should have made you know that both countries were hostile to eachother and knew they weren't friends.

These i have tried to push into your brains that America in the first place actually dedicated pearl Harbor for their Asia threat which happened to be Japan at that time, you just wouldn't see that, will you?

Why did Japan attack just the Harbor and not mainland or other parts of the US?


it's late in the night, i can't continue with you, just stick to your part of the story while i stick to mine, don't call mine wrong because they are different from yours, i got my info from my own source which i provided part of them to you. anyways good day/night.

bookface:

You are simply arguing blindly.
The fact that they weren't friends does not necessarily mean that Japan has a moral justification to attack while peace terms were being negotiated, its the worst form of cowardice.
Pearl Harbor is located in Hawaii which is the southernmost state of the United States, and it was set up to give US an advantage in any case they wish to join the war
Japan attacked the harbor and not the mainlands because the Harbor is where America's biggest naval fleet reside, America poses economic threat to Japan, YES, but Japan started off the military action which led to thousands of American naval officers.
It is only unfair to blame America for attacking Hiroshima and Nagasaki

shotster50:

Wars are never meant to be fair. It is not a game of football where there are laid down principles of fair play. It is using everything within your means to defeat the enemy. Where in the history of man has there ever been a fair war??
The WW2 in Asia could have dragged on if the atomic weapon was not used. It worked in the favour of the allies.
I personally think Japan would have used the Atomic bomb first, if they had the technology back then.

tpia@:

it was the worst of times.