invisible!:

Your own problem is using tabloid headlines to judge millions of people. That story you pulled out lacked merit, it was just laced with sensationalism aimed at capturing the weak emotions of weaklings like you. The world is harsh, and I have never seen anyone in the developed world wo denies that ra.pe, torture and murder is not more prevalent in foreign lands. Watch some crime stories on the cable (if you can afford it)

Earlier on in this thread i  referred to a tragic story in which a young destitute woman who lived under a bridge near sheraton hotel had been repeatedly r.aped  by area boys until she eventually contracted hiv aids and died  - what was his chilling response: that "she got what she deserved because she was a harlot".

tensor777:

Except that you have fallen quite heavily to one side of the fence. 
However you are just generalising when you say or imply that Nigerians especially those without proper papers are better off than they would be in Nigeria?
How exactly do you know this especially as we are referring to personal status and wealth, and not the glaring gulf in infrastructure  and opportunities available to the citizenry  in Western countries as compared to developing countries.
You need to be very very cicumspect before you make these sweeping generalisations

cap28:

I wouldnt call finishing a second degree a "misadventure" neither would i call gaining work experience, travelling around the world to understand about different cultures and languages a "misadventure", what i would call a misadventure would be spending years abroad and learning nothing from one's experiences.  Life is a continuous learning experience, sadly for many of our people who leave nigeria to go to the west their focus is mainly on materialism.  Perhaps im fortunate in that i did not have to keep looking over my shoulder worrying about the immigration authorities, in many ways many of our people are operating in survival mode and therefore i

AjanleKoko:

Good, very good.

Indeed I am generalizing. We have X number of Nigerians living abroad. Some with papers and some without.
Simple logic. If you are abroad without papers, it is likely that you were not doing much in Nigeria either, else it would be a weightier decision to leave Nigeria to go and slave 'abroad'.

How many people would leave personal wealth and comfort behind in Nigeria to move abroad in search of demeaning employment, washing toilets or doing any of the other professions so eloquently described here, as opposed to people who fled blinding poverty and unemployment? Better, how many would ignore the promise of better opportunities in Nigeria to stay abroad with no papers? Again, I think very few, in fact nobody.

We are talking about the rule here, the general situation, not exceptions. Remember, my first post on this thread, I said most of the so-called demeaning jobs in the UK don't even exist in Nigeria. We don't have a train system, bus system, and what have you. So where would the Nigerians working on the tube and working as bus conductors in the UK have been working in Nigeria? The banks or oil companies, or running their own businesses? Oh, please. Most of these people fled real problems> I won't say, because I have a few more naira than others, that those people are idiots for not being comfortable like me. That's just asinine and retarded.

AjanleKoko:

Good, very good.
Indeed I am generalizing. We have X number of Nigerians living abroad. Some with papers and some without.
Simple logic. If you are abroad without papers, it is likely that you were not doing much in Nigeria either, else it would be a more important decision to leave Nigeria.
How many people would leave personal wealth and comfort behind in Nigeria to move abroad in search of demeaning employment, washing toilets or doing any of the other professions so eloquently described here, as opposed to people who fled blinding poverty and unemployment? Better, how many would ignore the promise of better opportunities in Nigeria to stay abroad with no papers? Again, I think very few, in fact nobody.
We are talking about the rule here, the general situation, not exceptions. Remember, my first post on this thread, I said most of the so-called demeaning jobs in the UK don't even exist in Nigeria. We don't have a train system, bus system, and what have you. So where would the Nigerians working on the tube and working as bus conductors in the UK have been working in Nigeria? The banks or oil companies, or running their own businesses? Oh, please.

OvieE:

@ invisible and buzugee


You two are out of touch with life. When people smoke marijuana, they take break. You can defend Nigeria all you can but at the end of the day, everyone around the world see and know Nigeria more that you do. If my sisters, cousins and others born in America can tell you that they will never visit Nigeria after first time plus Nigeria movie shows the reality from head to toes. Defend all you can and let the movies speak the truth about Nigeria. OK?.

I regret ever not aborting you two when your mothers came to for an abortion.

tensor777:

Well I have to say that your points are so amusing. . If only you knew. There are thousands of Nigerians who first came to England on student visas to do MASTERS, have lived here  for years and still been unable to get a proper professional job of work or even regularize their papers.

As regards the menial jobs well nothing is wrong with them but no its not what an ambitious person would want to spend too many years doing given the low pay, the high cost of living and the inherent job insecurity. However these may be the only jobs available for illegal immigrants or available for those, unable to, for whatever reason , upgrade their skills.

Are they better off in terms of physical cash, than  danfo and molue drivers in Nigeria, who are in fact self-employed?  
 

buzugee:

hey its nobodys fault that you took your cousins and sisters to stay in ajegunle when they came to visit nigeria. its no wonder they hated it. thats your own fault. my sister had the same experience in chicago in the early nineties. she came to america for the first time in her life and happened to stay with her friend who lived in uptown chicago (twin towers) (clarendon and wilson). well the place was littered with drug dealers and gangbangers. when my sister went back to nigeria she vowed never ever to step in america again till she dies. she was that traumatized. now she only vacations in england. she hates america with a passion.

justwonder:

buzz,welcome back i kinda missed your entertaining rants   btw i think your other friend(the one that cannot be seen) is MAD!! but your alright!!!!  

OvieE:



You seem like an incredibly ignorant and naive person. We went to Abuja, Victoria Island and co. There is nothing in Nigeria. The one that Nollywood are potrating about Nigeria life is a lie to you too right? Who give a fucck about sister. Even a the city call Boston a lone receive visitor ten times than a whole country called Nigeria. What a motherfuccker loser. I didn't know you are this dumb. I blame your parents for not aborting you on time.


GOOD BYE BARSTAD

AjanleKoko:



Clap for yourself.
Lots of people bought volkswagon beetles when i was in uni, for 12 thousand naira. We were all teenagers then. In fact, my classmate bought his beetle in 100 level, at 16. Means that, compared to him you've got to be a slowpoke.
I won't even tough that land bit. Carry on in your delusion. Na you biko.
Next try?

buzugee:

you aint miss nothing. that vato is full of kaka

Quote from: buzugee on November 12, 2010, 08:55 PM
i will look into the gambia. bros i am the only black man in my job and in my neighborhood. the thing is changing me. i am a totally different person from when i was in naija. i am now a honorary white man. when i was in naija i loved dark skinned women. i remember watching different world and the 2 who i was attracted to was kim reese (the pre-med student) and jaleesa (the one who was married and then returned to school). i never even looked at freddy and whitley. the best relationship i had in my life ? my girlfriend in naija ? she was as dark as the night. but now ? after my sojourn here ? i dont even find my black women attractive anymore. i only date white women now. i only find white women attractive lol. i think i have been conditioned  . well i think it is time for me to go look for me again. the real me before this whole westernized crap. thats why i need to retire to africa. 

PStylish:

Queen, the lady in question didn't have to live in Lagos. Is it by force to stay in Lagos? Could she say didn't have a family in Agbor, Delta state where she hailed from. Why did she prefer the abuse she was taking under the bridge in Lagos to her hometown.I've passed Agbor a couple of times and from what I saw its no small village or town. There is no way she won't have relations albeit successful ones back home in Agbor.
I believe Queen could have saved herself the trouble and harassment but just chose endure or enjoy it. A single experience of despoil is no small psychological trauma for any woman. She may hate men for life. For her (Queen) to have been repeatedly despoil same place, same period of time and even had children raises a lot of questions. Maybe she had some spiritual or psychological problem. Poor her. Anyway may her soul rest in peace.

invisible!:

Why are you dodging the land bit? Go on, there was your friend who bought a skyscrapper at 12 years old from selling pure water? Monkey!

tensor777:

Well I have to say that your points are so amusing. . If only you knew. There are thousands of Nigerians who first came to England on student visas to do MASTERS, have lived here  for years and still been unable to get a proper professional job of work or even regularize their papers.

As regards the menial jobs well nothing is wrong with them but no its not what an ambitious person would want to spend too many years doing given the low pay, the high cost of living and the inherent job insecurity. However these may be the only jobs available for illegal immigrants or available for those, unable to, for whatever reason , upgrade their skills.

Are they better off in terms of physical cash, than  danfo and molue drivers in Nigeria, who are in fact self-employed?  
 

AjanleKoko:

Look here.
As a rule, I don't do that Nigerian beer parlour talk, which you obviously appear to enjoy.
Stick to the points of the argument and don't throw insults around.
If you like, own all the land in Lagos and Abuja. Argue with reason, don't talk about all the land or cars you've been able to buy when you were in diapers. Try the Autos and Properties Section for that.

LOL. Danfo and molue drivers, really?
Why not try that profession? You'd be dead well before you're 40.
It's silly to compare a bus conductor in the UK to a bus conductor in Nigeria. If bus conductors were doing that great, and were having such a great time, don't you think half of our unemployed youth would be bus conductors? Same for okada riders.

You guys don't seem to get it, do you. In the West, there are low paying jobs, and hardship. In Nigeria, there are hardly any low paying jobs, and an existence at the lower rung that offers little more than what animals are getting. And there's a shocking number of Nigerians in that situation.
Besides, there's a lot of Eastern Europeans in the UK doing these same jobs. I have met Russians, Mongolians, Poles, etc, in the UK, driving cabs, working in hotels as handymen or waiters, washing dishes. Same goes for Indians, Pakistanis, Bangladeshis, etc. Ditto for so many other places in the West. Why do Nigerians think they are special?

Are you deliberately playing dumb or is that you just love embarrassing yourself, of course its not by force for everyone to live in lagos but the mark of a civilised society is one in which the weak are supported and provided for not brutalised and attacked.  I could use the same argument to ask why you left your own village to go live in an urban area, people migrate from villages to urban areas for work, did you not know that? why arent you in the village cultivating your farm? Isnt it because you wont be able to survive if you did that?

Only the most damaged mind would conclude that her decision to remain under the bridge was because she chose to "endure or enjoy it".

By the way just in case you were never taught human biology, women get pregnant and have babies even after being r.aped,  a destitute woman under a bridge could hardly be in a position to pay for an abortion.

People like you deserve the govt you have, may you continue to enjoy many more years of repression from those bandits in power.

footreja:

@ ishit4body, you can see that you are a fool. Because this topic is blessed with more than 25 pages, you are still envious. Talking rubbish. Imagine the topic you criticised, you also stupidly copied the topic and started it as an OP.

https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-551775.0.html

Minds of Nigerians, especially home-based, so deceptive and full of hate. Thanks to those who replied you there.  

PStylish:

Cap28, I think you have to put on your thinking cap at this moment. Are you m or f?

First, I was born in Lagos Island.
Second, I don't come from a village. My town is a  renowned ancient town/city in Ondo state. It is called Ikare - Akoko. Google it for more info.
Everybody is free to migrate from rural areas to urban areas. But where, your migration leaves you worse off than you were in your village, I think any right thinking person should come to his senses, do a personal appraisal of life in the urban area and make a swift decision to return home.
Cap28 your problem as well as that of other Nigerians abroad is that you guys refuse to take personal responsibilty for your own existence. You will rather leave it the govt. Is that not shameful? That is why you can't come back home. You know there will be no govt to spoonfeed you.
Nigerians have learnt to be a government to themselves and its ok for now. We kind of prefer it.
Nigeria is still a pretty young country - 50yrs. The UK is ageless, the US is over 230 years old. How can you compare them for chrissake?
The US, UK and other industrialized nations have had their own time of terrible hardships and trying times, worse than whatever we are currently facing as Nigerians, yet the citizenry then endured it they didn't flee like you guys. Today they are what they are.
Afterall, [b]Abraham Lincoln said do not ask what your country can do for you but what you can do for your country. [/b]That is the stage we are now in Nigeria. So stop being childish and brace up to what it takes to be a Nigerian which is what God created you to be.

cap28:

You see the problem i have with people like you is that you have a warped sense of reasoning, i presented a situation of a vulnerable person in a country like nigeria and your response was to attack and denigrate this person.  It did not occur to you that this person was a mere victim of a brutal and callous society.  You did not attack the system that creates such suffering, instead you chose to attack the victim.

This is a system  in which 1% of the  population have appropriated 95% of the wealth of the country leaving over 70% to languish in grim poverty.  

You did not  think of attacking a system that condemns its youth to illiteracy, poverty, crime and prostitution instead you chose to attack and BLAME a defenceless victim of one of the harshest and most repressive systems of govt on the planet.  This is why i say people like you deserve the govt you have.  Until you educate yourself and understand that your leaders are under an obligation to provide for its citizenry, particularly the most vulnerable members of that society, you will continue wallowing in a sea of ignorance.

Do i care whether you were born on lagos island? have i not been to lagos island isnt it an overcrowded slum teeming with refuse and garbage.  As  a matter of fact the villages are a hundred times cleaner and more sanitary than your lagos island so please dont think that lagos island is a place to be proud of okay.

You say you dont come from a village - fine, why havent you relocated back to Ikare akoko to make a living from making carvings and pottery?

You say that i have refused to take responsibility for my actions but prefer to shift responsiblity on to the govt, you see this is where again i have to highlight your ignorance - your govt has a duty and a responsibility to provide for its citizens, you have been conditioned to accept your grim poverty stricken state, the mobile police, JTF and all other arms of the nigerian gangster state have beaten you into submission and now like a victim of an abusive relationship you actually think they do not owe you anything.  Does it make sense to you that a country like nigeria which is the 8th largest exporter of oil IN THE WORLD can not provide constant electricity, running water, a functioning health care system, standard educational institutions, employment, food for its citizens!!!!!!!!!!

Cuba is a socialist country with no natural resources and it has a98% literacy level due to its ongoing policy of free education for all of its citizens up to university level, it also provides  free health care for all of its citizens.  

You should be ashamed of yourself for defending the gangster run contraption known as nigeria, you havent even got the guts to hold your leaders to account - instead you take out your frustration on a defenceless destitute woman who was nothing but a victim.  

Nigeria is a govt serving the interest of a bunch of bandits and that is the truth, it doesnt care about people like you, it never has and it never will okay.  

You say nigeria is still pretty young - according to whose calculations ? is 50 years not more than enough time for a country to get its economy on track, when do you think nigeria will be old enough to understand that it needs to get its act together, when the oil runs out or when it is recolonised by the west - by the way the plan of recolonisation of nigeria is now underway - you might want to google africom.

Oh and it was Kennedy who made that quote and not Lincoln and he had every right to ask that of americans as previous govts before him had made many compromises and granted many concessions to the american people - post second world war former american president roosevelt had introduced affordable housing, employment and overall  improved standards of living for its citizens.  Contrast that with the nigerian govts treatment of its own citizens and you will see that you are just refusing to face up to reality.

what is it that the nigerian govt has  done for you - is it SAP, devalued currency, mass unemployment, substandard educational instititutions, non existent health care facilities, sub standard housing provision, mobile police who maim and kill people - please tell me because im scratching around and nothing positive comes to mind.

martinosi:

I doing good CAP28, i just been reading the Comments at the Economist
on Articles about Nigerian electricity,

What are your thoughts about the up coming election in Nigerian next year,
we need to start a discussion topic about this,

I heard that[b] Tony Blair and the CEO of J P Morgan[/b] were in Nigeria to see President Goodluck, hmmm kind of worrying to me .

Any thoughts on this?

Also Cap have you heard of[b] F William Engdahl[/b], he seems to be very insightful and he has a book out called the "Gods of Money" i just finished
reading it, google him and also check him up on youtube.he has some great
insight about Nigeria too.

His website is www.oilgeopolitics.net

Here's an Interview he had very interesting,

F William Engdahl on Finance & Global Economy

Part 1

[flash=200,200]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2z2rUvbUOR8[/flash]

Part 2

[flash=200,200]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q7h6-rP7nw0[/flash]

Part 3

[flash=200,200]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WXhRQgAmu8Y[/flash]

NubianQ:


I am very impressed!!!! finally someone has spoken alot of sense on here!

cap28:

thank you Nubian Q, glad  you appreciated what i had to say

cap28:

You see the problem i have with people like you is that you have a warped sense of reasoning, i presented a situation of a vulnerable person in a country like nigeria and your response was to attack and denigrate this person.  It did not occur to you that this person was a mere victim of a brutal and callous society.  You did not attack the system that creates such suffering, instead you chose to attack the victim.

This is a system  in which 1% of the  population have appropriated 95% of the wealth of the country leaving over 70% to languish in grim poverty.  

You did not  think of attacking a system that condemns its youth to illiteracy, poverty, crime and prostitution instead you chose to attack and BLAME a defenceless victim of one of the harshest and most repressive systems of govt on the planet.  This is why i say people like you deserve the govt you have.  Until you educate yourself and understand that your leaders are under an obligation to provide for its citizenry, particularly the most vulnerable members of that society, you will continue wallowing in a sea of ignorance.

Do i care whether you were born on lagos island? have i not been to lagos island isnt it an overcrowded slum teeming with refuse and garbage.  As  a matter of fact the villages are a hundred times cleaner and more sanitary than your lagos island so please dont think that lagos island is a place to be proud of okay.

You say you dont come from a village - fine, why havent you relocated back to Ikare akoko to make a living from making carvings and pottery?

You say that i have refused to take responsibility for my actions but prefer to shift responsiblity on to the govt, you see this is where again i have to highlight your ignorance - your govt has a duty and a responsibility to provide for its citizens, you have been conditioned to accept your grim poverty stricken state, the mobile police, JTF and all other arms of the nigerian gangster state have beaten you into submission and now like a victim of an abusive relationship you actually think they do not owe you anything.  Does it make sense to you that a country like nigeria which is the 8th largest exporter of oil IN THE WORLD can not provide constant electricity, running water, a functioning health care system, standard educational institutions, employment, food for its citizens!!!!!!!!!!

Cuba is a socialist country with no natural resources and it has a98% literacy level due to its ongoing policy of free education for all of its citizens up to university level, it also provides  free health care for all of its citizens.  

You should be ashamed of yourself for defending the gangster run contraption known as nigeria, you havent even got the guts to hold your leaders to account - instead you take out your frustration on a defenceless destitute woman who was nothing but a victim.  

Nigeria is a govt serving the interest of a bunch of bandits and that is the truth, it doesnt care about people like you, it never has and it never will okay.  

You say nigeria is still pretty young - according to whose calculations ? is 50 years not more than enough time for a country to get its economy on track, when do you think nigeria will be old enough to understand that it needs to get its act together, when the oil runs out or when it is recolonised by the west - by the way the plan of recolonisation of nigeria is now underway - you might want to google africom.

Oh and it was Kennedy who made that quote and not Lincoln and he had every right to ask that of americans as previous govts before him had made many compromises and granted many concessions to the american people - post second world war former american president roosevelt had introduced affordable housing, employment and overall  improved standards of living for its citizens.  Contrast that with the nigerian govts treatment of its own citizens and you will see that you are just refusing to face up to reality.

what is it that the nigerian govt has  done for you - is it SAP, devalued currency, mass unemployment, substandard educational instititutions, non existent health care facilities, sub standard housing provision, mobile police who maim and kill people - please tell me because im scratching around and nothing positive comes to mind.




@ cap28


WOW what a write--------I salute you my friend. God bless you.

PStylish:

First, I was born in Lagos Island.
Second, I don't come from a village. My town is a  renowned ancient town/city in Ondo state. It is called Ikare - Akoko. Google it for more info.Everybody is free to migrate from rural areas to urban areas. But where, your migration leaves you worse off than you were in your village, I think any right thinking person should come to his senses, do a personal appraisal of life in the urban area and make a swift decision to return home. Cap28 your problem as well as that of other Nigerians abroad is that you guys refuse to take personal responsibilty for your own existence. You will rather leave it the govt. Is that not shameful? That is why you can't come back home. You know there will be no govt to spoonfeed you. Nigerians have learnt to be a government to themselves and its ok for now. We kind of prefer it.
Nigeria is still a pretty young country - 50yrs. The UK is ageless, the US is over 230 years old. How can you compare them for chrissake?The US, UK and other industrialized nations have had their own time of terrible hardships and trying times, worse than whatever we are currently facing as Nigerians, yet the citizenry then endured it they didn't flee like you guys. Today they are what they are.Afterall, [b]Abraham Lincoln said do not ask what your country can do for you but what you can do for your country. [/b]That is the stage we are now in Nigeria. So stop being childish and brace up to what it takes to be a Nigerian which is what God created you to be.

tensor777:

And what exactly did you say that was new or original. That the Nigerian government or system owes you anything? Just die these self-indulgent left wing arguments as they are not relevant to a  developing country like Nigeria.
But seriously must you twist every thread you participate in into a conspiracy -they are all out to get us - rant??
Is that not a symptom of incipient paranoia??