Rumxy:


Zik started his struggle way back in the US together with people like Nkrumah. When he came to Africa, his first point of call was in Ghana where he continued the struggle using his newspapers. Down to Nigeria, Macaulay was the leader of the movement already when Zik joined his party. After his death, he became the leader of the struggle in Nigeria. Now ask yourself why didnt we hear Macaulay of Africa, Awolowo of Africa, Bello of Africa? This is because Zik was among those that fought for the liberation of the black man, Africa and Nigeria while his contemporaries then focused on Nigeria then and some even their tribes alone. Seeing him in that list is in no way accidental because his political teachings and ideologies extended across Africa. Little wonder he was the only advocate of One Nigeria among his peers. That is the essence of Pan-africanism.
We have over flogged this issue but it might benefit u to read more history books. Thanks

Zik road in his coattails. He wasn't particularly exceptional. He leveraged on a popular but ineffectual movement.

senatordave1:

He wasn't sir.all were promoting.he was not exceptional.see,whoever usually leads the fight for independence in any African country usually ends up leading the country.by 1960,Ahmadu bello was the most powerful figure.

See,there is nothing zik did that was particularly exveptional or new that others didnt.but there are several things awo did that zik didnt

The only thing Awo did that Zik didnt do was that Awo left better lasting legacies for his people than Zik did.Awo was yoruba first before anything just like Ojukwu was to the Igbos. Remember that the argument initially was that Zik didnt do anything to be called Zik of Africa. I never said only Zik fought for Nigeria's independence but his antecedents before coming back to Nigeria made him more recognised outside Nigeria than Awo and Bello.

Moreover, the political arrangement of Nigeria by the British always gave the north an advantage not because of Ahmadu Bello. How can you possibly explain the North having more seats in the house despite the NCNC winning the most votes in the election. If Bello was all powerful as you claim, why didn't he stop Zik from being the first senate president, first Nigerian to be appointed into the privy council of the United Kingdom and the first indigenous governor general immediately after independence before being a republic in 1963.

kayfra:


Zik road in his coattails. He wasn't particularly exceptional. He leveraged on a popular but ineffectual movement.

The question should be why is he known across Africa but Awolowo and Bello are just national heroes? When you answer that then you will know why he was special.
He has establishments named after him in the north, west and eastern part of Nigeria, USA, Tanzania etc, can you say the same for Awo and Bello who where regional figure heads. Even Balewa that was the prime minister was no match to him.
Ordinary Wikipedia would save you the embarrassment of trying so hard to rubbish the efforts of an elderly statesman you should be celebrating.

Rumxy:


The only thing Awo did that Zik didnt do was that Awo left better lasting legacies for his people than Zik did.Awo was yoruba first before anything just like Ojukwu was to the Igbos. Remember that the argument initially was that Zik didnt do anything to be called Zik of Africa. I never said only Zik fought for Nigeria's independence but his antecedents before coming back to Nigeria made him more recognised outside Nigeria than Awo and Bello.

Moreover, the political arrangement of Nigeria by the British always gave the north an advantage not because of Ahmadu Bello. How can you possibly explain the North having more seats in the house despite the NCNC winning the most votes in the election. If Bello was all powerful as you claim, why didn't he stop Zik from being the first senate president, first Nigerian to be appointed into the privy council of the United Kingdom and the first indigenous governor general immediately after independence before being a republic in 1963.

Ahmadu bello is the best followed by awo then zik but tinubu bested them all by even influencing elections in guinea bissau

Rumxy:


The question should be why is he known across Africa but Awolowo and Bello are just national heroes? When you answer that then you will know why he was special.
He has establishments named after him in the north, west and eastern part of Nigeria, USA, Tanzania etc, can you say the same for Awo and Bello who where regional figure heads. Even Balewa that was the prime minister was no match to him.
Ordinary Wikipedia would save you the embarrassment of trying so hard to rubbish the efforts of an elderly statesman you should be celebrating.

Oga we said nigeria's greatest politician from a nigerian point not based on who the foreigners recognized.that doesn't make you superior.getting places named after you is just one parameter,others are winning elections,making others to win elections,national influence and spread,number of political figures produced,projects initiated,legacies,strength of political ideology.based on these parameters,awo beats zik hands down.
What defines a great politician in nigerian context is your impact and ability to win elections...getting projects or being honoured posthumously is not a very strong point.delta state can in future name things after uduaghan.does that make him politically better than ibori?

Rumxy:


The question should be why is he known across Africa but Awolowo and Bello are just national heroes? When you answer that then you will know why he was special.
He has establishments named after him in the north, west and eastern part of Nigeria, USA, Tanzania etc, can you say the same for Awo and Bello who where regional figure heads. Even Balewa that was the prime minister was no match to him.
Ordinary Wikipedia would save you the embarrassment of trying so hard to rubbish the efforts of an elderly statesman you should be celebrating.

Zik isn't known across Africa. That's why I called that statement a misnomer in the first place.

Nobody knows Zik outside Nigeria, maybe perhaps West Africa. Awo's legacy is enduring.

senatordave1:

Oga we said nigeria's greatest politician from a nigerian point not based on who the foreigners recognized.that doesn't make you superior.getting places named after you is just one parameter,others are winning elections,making others to win elections,national influence and spread,number of political figures produced,projects initiated,legacies,strength of political ideology.based on these parameters,awo beats zik hands down.
What defines a great politician in nigerian context is your impact and ability to win elections...getting projects or being honoured posthumously is not a very strong point.delta state can in future name things after uduaghan.does that make him politically better than ibori?

My response was to kayfra and not you sir.

senatordave1:

Ahmadu bello is the best followed by awo then zik but tinubu bested them all by even influencing elections in guinea bissau

Tinubu bested who? You are getting ahead of yourself. Tinubu can't even win 80% of his SW in a Presidential election talk more of Nigeria. You even dare to compare Tinubu to Awo in yoruba land, u must be smoking something. Apart from enriching himself and his cronies, his political influence is yet to benefit or better the life of an average yoruba man on the streets talk more of Nigerians.
Even in this government are you not seeing how his influence is being curtailed by the fulani cabal.
Well 2023 is not too far.

kayfra:


Zik isn't known across Africa. That's why I called that statement a misnomer in the first place.

Nobody knows Zik outside Nigeria, maybe perhaps West Africa. Awo's legacy is enduring.

OK I hear. Awolowo is the best and greatest politician to ever come out of Nigeria and is known worldwide. Hope you are now satisfied. Bye

Rumxy:


My response was to kayfra and not you sir.

Surrender.its over

kayfra:


Zik isn't known across Africa. That's why I called that statement a misnomer in the first place.

Nobody knows Zik outside Nigeria, maybe perhaps West Africa. Awo's legacy is enduring.

I won't be surprised if he claims that zik is Greater than mandela

senatordave1:

Surrender.its over

My argument with Kayfra was that he said Zik of Africa was a misnomer which I tried to correct him.
Please what was Awolowo highest elective post in Nigeria and which elections did he influence and win apart from his region because I know Zik and NCNC won some legislative positions in the western regional assembly while at the same time dominated the eastern regional assembly without any opposition. Action group never won anything outside SW, so between the two who was smarter and more influential across board.

senatordave1:
I won't be surprised if he claims that zik is Greater than mandela

I never said that.

senatordave1:

I won't be surprised if he claims that zik is Greater than mandela

Lolz

The truth is Zik was a glorified figure head. Everything about him was symbolic. He wasn't a transformative or impactful leader. Just a fancy pawn piece used at the right time. Zik himself knew his limitations. Someone that went under the radar after 1st republic and even his ceremonial presidency was as a result of his NCNC mentoring by Hubert Macaulay

kayfra:


Lolz

The truth is Zik was a glorified figure head. Everything about him was symbolic. He wasn't a transformative or impactful leader. Just a fancy pawn piece used at the right time. Zik himself knew his limitations. Someone that went under the radar after 1st republic and even his ceremonial presidency was as a result of his NCNC mentoring by Hubert Macaulay

His ceremonial presidency was as a result of his coalition with NPC who had the majority not about Herbert Macaulay.
Yes his presidency was ceremonial but it didn't mean he didn't have his way in that government. If he was just a pawn like you said nobody would have been complaining today that Zik alone removed the secession clause from our constitution against the wish of Bello and Awo. A pawn couldn't have had such power. Nobody would have complained that Zik filled almost all the juicy positions in Nigeria then with his kinsmen including in other people's region eg UI, Unilag. A pawn as you said even as a ceremonial president can never achieve this without political influence.

I still repeat, based on legacies for their people, Awo comes first followed by Bello but when it comes to overall politics and all the intrigues that come with it, Zik tops them.

Rumxy:


His ceremonial presidency was as a result of his coalition with NPC who had the majority not about Herbert Macaulay.
Yes his presidency was ceremonial but it didn't mean he didn't have his way in that government. If he was just a pawn like you said nobody would have been complaining today that Zik alone removed the secession clause from our constitution against the wish of Bello and Awo. A pawn couldn't have had such power. Nobody would have complained that Zik filled almost all the juicy positions in Nigeria then with his kinsmen including in other people's region eg UI, Unilag. A pawn as you said even as a ceremonial president can never achieve this without political influence.

I still repeat, based on legacies for their people, Awo comes first followed by Bello but when it comes to overall politics and all the intrigues that come with it, Zik tops them.

If the politics of I'll lay down so you can ride on me is considered successful. Yes, Zik succeeded. Apart from getting most of his fellow friends positions and him being signatory of many decisions debated, but as a result of his ceremonial position, signed by him. Zik was largely ineffectual. Igbos quickly shoved him into the history books. He wasn't revered by his own kilt and kin. His mausoleum was abandoned by state government and didn't even attract private funding. This in an area where vanity projects (e.g. massive xmas trees) is the norm.

Rumxy:


His ceremonial presidency was as a result of his coalition with NPC who had the majority not about Herbert Macaulay.
Yes his presidency was ceremonial but it didn't mean he didn't have his way in that government. If he was just a pawn like you said nobody would have been complaining today that Zik alone removed the secession clause from our constitution against the wish of Bello and Awo. A pawn couldn't have had such power. Nobody would have complained that Zik filled almost all the juicy positions in Nigeria then with his kinsmen including in other people's region eg UI, Unilag. A pawn as you said even as a ceremonial president can never achieve this without political influence.

I still repeat, based on legacies for their people, Awo comes first followed by Bello but when it comes to overall politics and all the intrigues that come with it, Zik tops them.

In politics,legacies and impacts are the greatest parameters.why is it so hard for you to understand? They went head to head together and awo defeated him twice.what is all these nonsense you are still talking about?

senatordave1:

In politics,legacies and impacts are the greatest parameters.why is it so hard for you to understand? They went head to head together and awo defeated him twice.what is all these nonsense you are still talking about?

Defeated who twice is your brain shaking? NCNC came second in the 1959 election and AG came third.

Rumxy:


Defeated who twice is your brain shaking? NCNC came second in the 1959 election and AG came third.

It is yours that is shaking.did awolowo not top azikiwe in 1979 and 1983

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Kenplay:

Atleast he achieved what your father could never achieve in life.

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Abi. He died unsung in his hometown

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Kenplay:

He lived to the ripe age of 92 before he died.
Now answer me; did your father achieve 5% of what Zik achieved in his life time?

More. And he isn't a glorified carpet i.e. Zik

kayfra:


Lolz

The truth is Zik was a glorified figure head. Everything about him was symbolic. He wasn't a transformative or impactful leader. Just a fancy pawn piece used at the right time. Zik himself knew his limitations. Someone that went under the radar after 1st republic and even his ceremonial presidency was as a result of his NCNC mentoring by Hubert Macaulay

Well you have to give Zik his due. Zik held these positions-
Premier of the Eastern Region
Governor General of Nigeria
Non executive President of Nigeria

When you compare that to Tinubu who has only ever been a Senator and Governor of Lagos state.

Compared to Zik, Tinubu has always been an 'area champion'

senatordave1:
In the first republic,the greatest was late ahmadu bello followed by awolowo and azikiwe.intense 2nd republic,we had aminu kano and shehu yaradua.in the third republic,it was all shehu yaradua and abiola.in the fourth republic,it is undoubtedly and unarguably tinubu.

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when you say great, what do you mean?

senatordave1:

Why become senate president? Is he in the senate? He has destroyed saraki politically boy

Saraki has become no 3 before.Tinubu has not even been no 100 before.He is no match to Saraki

PaChukwudi44:


Saraki has become no 3 before.Tinubu has not even been no 100 before.He is no match to Saraki

But he destroyed saraki in kwara?