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Re: How Did General Ironsi Overtake Wellington Bassey In Rank? by senatordave1(m): 3:01pm On May 19, 2020
seunmsg:


This thread was opened by someone from the south south who is interested in knowing why the promotion of WU Bassey, a late army officer from calabar was not as rapid as that of his juniors around the same period. If you have a problem with the thread, direct your concerns towards the OP and leave the Yoruba race out of this.

Again, please note that Ogundipe was the chief of general staff (Vice President) to Ironsi. He cannot be the number two man and still be the governor of western region. Adebayo that was next to Ogundipe was in London as at the time of the coup and the next person to him was Fajuyi. That explains why Fajuyi was appointed as the governor of the region.

Gbam.
Re: How Did General Ironsi Overtake Wellington Bassey In Rank? by MadamExcellency: 3:05pm On May 19, 2020
He joined the army in 1936 meaning he has spent more than 30 years in the Military in 1966.

Allow the old man to rest

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Re: How Did General Ironsi Overtake Wellington Bassey In Rank? by seunmsg(m): 3:05pm On May 19, 2020
Igboid:


And why was Katsina Hassan chosen as the Northern governor ahead of his superiors like Gowon?

Gowon was Chief of Army Staff at Army HQ already and a member of the supreme military council. In fact, he was the number four in the regime.

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Re: How Did General Ironsi Overtake Wellington Bassey In Rank? by Bede2u(m): 3:09pm On May 19, 2020
senatordave1:


You have said it all.there's no way ojukwu who was by far hes junior will be made governor of the eastern region above him if not for sabotage.this is why ss cannot be in Biafra
why was louis edet made ig of police and not an igbo officer? Since igbo hate ss

See both biafra and niger delta republics are unlikely to happen...so relax and allow this oyel to flow....stop looking for ways to insult igbos because of your yeye APC...
Apc is even in imo state...so i dont see the reason for this childish hate of yours

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Re: How Did General Ironsi Overtake Wellington Bassey In Rank? by Christistruth00: 3:10pm On May 19, 2020
senatordave1:


If he wasn't up to the job,they wouldnt gave recruited him in the first place or made him the first officer in the 2nd place or even promoted him in the third place.mind you,as of when he was a major,them ironsi were captains which means he destroys your merit based argument.
Don't forget that when you want to favour a particular person,you don't just single him out to avoid suspicions but do it enmasse which happened in the case of ironsi

Do you know he even Commanded the 1st Brigade Kaduna Nigeria's premier Battalion , after Ironsi had become Head of State and Ojukwu Governor of the Eastern Region? Those who opposed him always knew he was an excellent officer !! They probably also knew he was sure to defeat any attempted coup against the Civilian Government.

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Re: How Did General Ironsi Overtake Wellington Bassey In Rank? by Bede2u(m): 3:11pm On May 19, 2020
seunmsg:


Gowon was Chief of Army Staff at Army HQ already and a member of the supreme military council. In fact, he was the number four in the regime.
why did louis edet become ig if zik was having power to promote officers? Why not an okoro from aba?

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Re: How Did General Ironsi Overtake Wellington Bassey In Rank? by seunmsg(m): 3:11pm On May 19, 2020
Bede2u:
as premiere of the east, zik could not control army officers.
As president, zik could not control army officers

So can u tell us how zik was able to do that?

Also why didnt zik do the same to loius edet who became IG of police?


Hating igbo makes u fools sound like broken, petty, stupid and foolish records

The next person to Luis Edet was Kam Salem - a northerner.

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Re: How Did General Ironsi Overtake Wellington Bassey In Rank? by senatordave1(m): 3:13pm On May 19, 2020
MadamExcellency:
He joined the army in 1936 meaning he has spent more than 30 years in the Military in 1966.

Allow the old man to rest
More reason he should be posthumously honoured

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Re: How Did General Ironsi Overtake Wellington Bassey In Rank? by seunmsg(m): 3:14pm On May 19, 2020
Bede2u:
why did louis edet become ig if zik was having power to promote officers? Why not an okoro from aba?

Kam Salem was next to him. Zik definitely cannot push for a Kanuri to upstage Luis Edet. It was a case of half bread been better than none. A non-Igbo IG from the eatern region was preferable to a Kanuri IG. Shouldn’t be so hard to figure out now.

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Re: How Did General Ironsi Overtake Wellington Bassey In Rank? by senatordave1(m): 3:15pm On May 19, 2020
seunmsg:


Gowon was Chief of Army Staff at Army HQ already and a member of the supreme military council. In fact, he was the number four in the regime.
I thought chief of army staff is usually no 3
Re: How Did General Ironsi Overtake Wellington Bassey In Rank? by Bede2u(m): 3:18pm On May 19, 2020
seunmsg:


The next person to Luis Edet was Kam Salem - a northerner.
lol...show me the evidence that there was no high ranking igbo in the police. That salem replaced edet doesnt mean there wasnt an igbo man in his rank. The pm appoints officers in positions. Even when zik was president, he had resigned from ncnc and was apolitical.
Stop nonsense my friend. Yoruba keyboard warrior who spends his days trying to insult igbos. At least get paid for it na

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Re: How Did General Ironsi Overtake Wellington Bassey In Rank? by Igboid: 3:18pm On May 19, 2020
seunmsg:


This thread was opened by someone from the south south who is interested in knowing why the promotion of WU Bassey, a late army officer from calabar was not as rapid as that of his juniors around the same period. If you have a problem with the thread, direct your concerns towards the OP and leave the Yoruba race out of this.

Again, please note that Ogundipe was the chief of general staff (Vice President) to Ironsi. He cannot be the number two man and still be the governor of western region. Adebayo that was next to Ogundipe was in London as at the time of the coup and the next person to him was Fajuyi. That explains why Fajuyi was appointed as the governor of the region.

Don't act that way with me.

OP asked a question, and your Yoruba brothers arrived to turn it to Igbo bashing by claiming that Bassey was skipped for the post because he wasn't Igbo, when he was not the only senior to Ojukwu that was skipped, there were Igbos there too that were skipped.
So there is no leaving Yoruba out of it. When you are already here spinning narratives to paint Ndiigbo black.

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Re: How Did General Ironsi Overtake Wellington Bassey In Rank? by Bede2u(m): 3:18pm On May 19, 2020
seunmsg:


[s]Kam Salem was next to him. Zik definitely cannot push for a Kanuri to upstage Luis Edet. It was a case of half bread been better than none. A non-Igbo IG from the eatern region was preferable to a Kanuri IG. Shouldn’t be so hard to figure out now.[/s]

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Re: How Did General Ironsi Overtake Wellington Bassey In Rank? by senatordave1(m): 3:19pm On May 19, 2020
Bede2u:
why was louis edet made ig of police and not an igbo officer? Since igbo hate ss

See both biafra and niger delta republics are unlikely to happen...so relax and allow this oyel to flow....stop looking for ways to insult igbos because of your yeye APC...
Apc is even in imo state...so i dont see the reason for this childish hate of yours

This is not a political matter,its something that is older than both apc and pdp and two of us.if you know me well in this forum,you will know that I love igbos.

By the way,Niger delta republic would have happened if we ss had half agitated as you guys did for Biafra.

Even a toddler knows that the army carries more weight than police.between buratai and the igp,who carries more influence?

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Re: How Did General Ironsi Overtake Wellington Bassey In Rank? by Bede2u(m): 3:20pm On May 19, 2020
Igboid:


Don't act that way with me.

OP asked a question, and your Yoruba brothers arrived to turn it to Igbo bashing by claiming that Bassey was skipped for the post because he wasn't Igbo, when he was not the only senior to Ojukwu that was skipped, there were Igbos there too that were skipped.
So there is no leaving Yoruba out of it. When you are already here spinning narratives to paint Ndiigbo black.
the idiot knows exactly what he is doing. Yoruba key board warrior.

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Re: How Did General Ironsi Overtake Wellington Bassey In Rank? by seunmsg(m): 3:20pm On May 19, 2020
senatordave1:

I thought chief of army staff is usually no 3

Commodore Wey was number three in the Ironsi regime. He was a very senior officer to Gowon.

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Re: How Did General Ironsi Overtake Wellington Bassey In Rank? by senatordave1(m): 3:21pm On May 19, 2020
Bede2u:
why did louis edet become ig if zik was having power to promote officers? Why not an okoro from aba?

Oga,me and you know even the sgf has the power to influence who becomes coas and igp
Re: How Did General Ironsi Overtake Wellington Bassey In Rank? by Christistruth00: 3:21pm On May 19, 2020
gidgiddy:


The answer can be found in late Brigadier Hillary Njoku's book "Tragedy without Heroes". Njoku was still new in the Army when British started the process of indigenising the officer corps of the Nigerian Army. They chose one of the oldest NCO's, Wellington Bassey, to be the first to go for 3 months officers training in Britain. On completion of his course and return to Nigeria, two much younger NCO's, Ironsi and Ademulegun were sent on the same course

The problem Bassey had was that he was an old Soldier who had no ambition. While Ironsi and Ademulegun where jumping at every opportunity to go on different courses abroad, Bassey was happy to stay in Nigeria and do his thing. Another thing was that Bassey was not as educated as Ironsi and Ademulegun. Njoku also stated in book that Bassey could not effectively command a brigade of Soldiers, let alone a division. So it was inevitable that younger, more hardworking and more ambitious officers eventually surpassed him.

A combination of age, education, ambition and capacity meant that Bassey never rose above the rank of Lt Colonel and quickly retired when Gowon came to power.
but

Do you know W.U Bassey later even Commanded the 1st Brigade Kaduna Nigeria's premier Brigade? Only 1st class Officers Command that Brigade ! Those who opposed and oppressed him because he was a Eastern Minority always knew he was an excellent officer!!!

The truth could no longer be hidden !

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Re: How Did General Ironsi Overtake Wellington Bassey In Rank? by Igboid: 3:22pm On May 19, 2020
Bede2u:
the idiot knows exactly what he is doing. Yoruba key board warrior.

This was his reply to this same question years ago when the question arose on why Baseey was always overlooked for posts.

https://www.nairaland.com/3884566/first-30-nigerian-military-officers/3

But today he is here his ilks to propagate Igbophobic agenda.

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Re: How Did General Ironsi Overtake Wellington Bassey In Rank? by senatordave1(m): 3:24pm On May 19, 2020
seunmsg:


Commodore Wey was number three in the Ironsi regime. He was a very senior officer to Gowon.

I know but chief of army staff is usually above that of navy or air force no matter who seniors. The military regimes are always ran by the army except you are telling me that wey was chief of general staffs
Re: How Did General Ironsi Overtake Wellington Bassey In Rank? by senatordave1(m): 3:25pm On May 19, 2020
Christistruth00:
but

Do you know W.U Bassey later even Commanded the 1st Brigade Kaduna Nigeria's premier Battalion? Those who opposed and oppressed him because he was a Eastern Minority always knew he was an excellent officer!!!

The truth could no longer be hidden !

The ibibios were excellent combatant officers.cast your mind back to Phillip effiong and col etuk

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Re: How Did General Ironsi Overtake Wellington Bassey In Rank? by Igboid: 3:25pm On May 19, 2020

Think of it this way. Someone with HND and another with masters degree start working in the same organisation. Which of them is likely to be be promoted faster? Of course the Master Deegree holder.

Take Bassey(N1) and Maimalari(N5) for example. Bassey was a serving soldier when he was selected from the lower ranks and sent on a 3 months "short service" officers course to England. On completion of the course, he became the first Nigeria officer and was given the Army number (N1).

Maimalari finished secondary school, was recruited into the Army and sent to :

Regular officers training school (ROSTS)

Eaton Hall military cadet school, England

Royal military Academy, Sandhurst.

It took Bassey only 3 months to be an officer while it took Maimalari 3 years.

Maimalari was far more qualified than Bassey. Thats why by 1965, Maimalari was already a Brigadier and Bassey was still a Lt Colonel

Some one gave this explanation in previous thread on this. On why Bassey was usurped for posts by his juniors.
Looks like he was too laid back and lacking in ambitions.

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Re: How Did General Ironsi Overtake Wellington Bassey In Rank? by Bede2u(m): 3:26pm On May 19, 2020
senatordave1:


This is not a political matter,its something that is older than both apc and pdp and two of us.if you know me well in this forum,you will know that I love igbos.

By the way,Niger delta republic would have happened if we ss had half agitated as you guys did for Biafra.

Even a toddler knows that the army carries more weight than police.between buratai and the igp,who carries more influence?
stop being petty. You opened this thread to insult igbos. But see let me tell u...if u guys agitate for niger delta republic....the yorubas and the hausas will wipe u guys out like they did in odi bayelsa.
Let ur love for igbo kiii u there. Just ensure oil money keeps coming. We need it to develop our '5 erosion ravaged enclaves'. We have been friends to the ss the most but many of us are waking up to ur pettiness and stupid.
You want to hear it? Let me say it, zik killed bassey's career because he is a yeye calabar man who deserves nothing good in life.
Cry me a river bro....nonsense

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Re: How Did General Ironsi Overtake Wellington Bassey In Rank? by seunmsg(m): 3:26pm On May 19, 2020
Bede2u:
lol...show me the evidence that there was no high ranking igbo in the police. That salem replaced edet doesnt mean there wasnt an igbo man in his rank. The pm appoints officers in positions. Even when zik was president, he had resigned from ncnc and was apolitical.
Stop nonsense my friend. Yoruba keyboard warrior who spends his days trying to insult igbos. At least get paid for it na

You should be the one showing me the other senior Igbo officers in the police force as at that time. To the best of my knowledge, Luis Edet was the most senior police officer as at independence followed by Kam Selem. T. A Fagbola was head of Police special branch. So, mention the Igbo police officer that was close to these guys in seniority as at that time?

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Re: How Did General Ironsi Overtake Wellington Bassey In Rank? by Christistruth00: 3:27pm On May 19, 2020
Igboid:


This was his reply to this same question years ago when the question arose on why Baseey was always overlooked for posts.

https://www.nairaland.com/3884566/first-30-nigerian-military-officers/3

But today he is here his ilks to propagate Igbophobic agenda.

That was part of the deliberate propaganda against W.U Bassey he served under Gowon and retired in 1975.I think he was an Ambassador.
Re: How Did General Ironsi Overtake Wellington Bassey In Rank? by SIONKPO1(m): 3:28pm On May 19, 2020
At times we just should apologise and move on
I think zik played ethnic politics by ensuring that Ironsi and Ojukwu were promoted and Bassey's promotion was delayed

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Re: How Did General Ironsi Overtake Wellington Bassey In Rank? by seunmsg(m): 3:33pm On May 19, 2020
senatordave1:


I know but chief of army staff is usually above that of navy or air force no matter who seniors. The military regimes are always ran by the army except you are telling me that wey was chief of general staffs

Ironsi was supreme commander. He was head of state and still commanding the army at the same time. Wey was head of the army and a contemporary of Ironsi and Ogundipe in terms of military seniority. That may explain why he was ranked as number three in the SMC.
Re: How Did General Ironsi Overtake Wellington Bassey In Rank? by Christistruth00: 3:36pm On May 19, 2020
SIONKPO1:
At times we just should apologise and move on
I think zik played ethnic politics by ensuring that Ironsi and Ojukwu were promoted and Bassey's promotion was delayed

When God reveals our father's sins it is because he loves us and wants us to repent of the wrong so we don't become a terror to ourselves.

God Almighty who made Bassey the most senior Army Officer from the East knew what he was doing but human beings used tribalism and ambition to heap sorrow, death ,humiliation and suffering on themselves
Where did Ojukwu lead the Eastern Region to------:WAR.
A War that just putting Bassey in his right position would have avoided.
It was the realisation of all this that humbled Zik and made him sober. Meanwhile Bassey was already working under Gowon on the Federal side.
All parts of Nigeria , Igbo, Yoruba,Hausa have been guilty of this sin at one time or another. May the Almighty forgive us all and help us to understand that to love your neighbour is to love yourself.

As of 1995 W.U Bassey was still alive , he had seen it all and was still standing.

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Re: How Did General Ironsi Overtake Wellington Bassey In Rank? by Bede2u(m): 3:47pm On May 19, 2020
senatordave1:


Mynd4 lalasticala oa4j rule 2 n 3
why are you crying? You can't take the hate you want to give?

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Re: How Did General Ironsi Overtake Wellington Bassey In Rank? by Sammy07: 3:53pm On May 19, 2020
Bede2u:
stop being petty. You opened this thread to insult igbos. But see let me tell u...if u guys agitate for niger delta republic....the yorubas and the hausas will wipe u guys out like they did in odi bayelsa.
Let ur love for igbo kiii u there. Just ensure oil money keeps coming. We need it to develop our '5 erosion ravaged enclaves'. We have been friends to the ss the most but many of us are waking up to ur pettiness and stupid.
You want to hear it? Let me say it, zik killed bassey's career because he is a yeye calabar man who deserves nothing good in life.
Cry me a river bro....nonsense


Wow! So you don't like Igbos to be insulted

When you and your supreme dilector dey insult other tribes, den shout?

You never see anything bro. cheesy
Oil will soon dry and agriculture take place.
Which north and south west leads In agriculture.
You'll cry blood when it's time.


Till then, enjoy. wink

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Re: How Did General Ironsi Overtake Wellington Bassey In Rank? by KingOKON: 3:58pm On May 19, 2020
senatordave1:
Late brigadier wellington was the first commissioned officer of the Nigerian army.he was commissioned 2 months before aguiyi ironsi and ademulegun were commissioned.I think his no was NA1 and WA1.he was senior to ironsi by a few months just as buhari was senior to ibb and abacha and they never overtook him in rank.how did ironsi become a major general before wellington? As the most senior officer in Nigerian army,the British general was supposes to handover to him when they left.what really happened? Oga metaphysical,you will be needed here.

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The 3 major tribes were very tribalistic but blame this on the IBOs.
Even OJUKWU a small boy jumped over NA1 to become z major general.
Immediately independence was attained promotions was suppose to be in periods, going by normal process Nigeria first general should have come nothing less than a decade later but the IBO's coup plotters took over and promoted themselves.
Yakubu a baby soldier counter coup got the northern backing and also promoted himself, while Wellington Bassey was still on normal promotion.
Yakubu got kicked out and Muritala did same but d most annoying was the promotion of Shehu Musa by Obznsanjo to major general
Under any circumstances a true General in Nigeria should have emerged in the mid seventies, but just like what Ironsi and gang started others continued.
Ojukwu was even named a Governor of south eastern state all because being Igbo while other non igbos were in the army

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