Sweetnecta:

@LAgosshia;Thanks for your insight.

did you notice that Allah says in the bold [100], that garden has been prepared for them?

if almost all the sahabahs are excluded by just a sin or two after the passing of the messenger [as], which of the sahabah will enter paradise, thereafter;

more hardly to believe, which people after that generation [ra to the true mujahiruun and the ansar] will enter paradise, when no one is a masoom except the prophets [as] who Allah protected for their work as bringer of His Messages?

show me a shia or a sunni that is sinless, if there is any? i will love to read about his or her life, including all published on public materials.

LagosShia:

the population still remains 70:30 in favor of shia when you disregard the foreigners and the illegal settlers.if you add the numbers,you will get the figures the monarchy use to justify having a higher percentage of sunni representation in the bahrain parliament.they will shamelessly tell you the population is 50:50.the parliament has 40 members and only 18 are shia!

as for the exact figures,i do not have the exact statistics at the moment.but the reality remains that sectarian discrimination is present in bahrain and politically motivated naturalizations have taken place and are the pace setters.do you want to deny that?

illusion2:

This just conforms what I have been saying. You have absolutely no idea of what you are saying.

You just come on NL & post hearsay on NL. Confirming you have no figures to back up your claim ,just shows how obtuse your reasoning is.

The Shia : Sunni ratio has remained constant for over 30 years (if not increased in favour of Shia),the gerrymandering of voting districts by the govt is wrong , but is based on geography & not population ! We have the not so similar unfair & mind boggling system in Nigeria ,where the House of Reps members from OLD KANO STATE are more than all the House of Reps members from the entire South-South. Should we start killing hausa people.

A review of the Bahraini map will confirm this. Shias are concentrated in mainly in the Northern Governorates,while the Southern (the largest geographically is Sunni) the others are shared,so your asking people to be killed on a false premise is based on rumours and I will ask the moderators for your IP so you can be traced and charged for inciting racial hatred & genocide in Kingdom of Bahrain,where I was a proud resident until 2 years ago.
[b]
On migration, official statistics show that more than 90% of recently naturalised(IN LAST 30 YEARS) are Shia - mainly women from Iran married to Iranian Bahrainis.[/b]I'll get back to you with a police charge sheet for your crimes against humanity,

LagosShia:

its amazing how some people who lack logic and facts have turned in to rhetoric to counter back.i only asked her a question and it would be more appropriate for her to reply.you dont need to do that for her.i just hope "vedaxcool" would use the same yardstick and accuse you of defending a "kaffir against a muslim".or maybe the kaffir is "more islamic" than the shia so am not a "muslim brother"?!!!

in islam and i know (hope you have not forgotten),there is wrong and right.you're either right or wrong.there is no middle path to thread on.you got to make your choice.so please we are not talking here about opinions and freedom of this or that.if you dont have facts about islam,no one is interested in your personal fatwas which would definitely lack intellectuallity.we are talking islam and muslims here.not opinions.i am not interested in that.

and as for your presumption that i have not travelled around the world,that is the same attitude of assumptiob you apply to religious discussions.i do not owe anything to you to prove about myself .

i am only curious to wonder why madam "hymen" is so anxious and bold to defend the tyrant and his regime when that same tyrant is oppressing the majority of bahrainis.you should ask those defending the tyrant whether or not they are pleasing Allah and what they stand to gain or lose.

Sweetnecta:

^^^^^^ Thanks lagosshia;

i read all that you wrote. may Allah open our eyes and give each one of us great idayah. Amin.

Allah has stated that the sin He will not forgive if one dies on it is Shirk, alone.

other sins are forgivable if Allah wills.

there is only one last prophet, just as there is Only One God the Judge Who chose the sahabah for the messenger [as].

there is a known fact that the messenger [as] gave the good news of paradise to many of his companions [as] while he was alive.

it is also known that he gave ten names of hypocrites to a specific trusted sahabah.

all of these 10 hypocrites died after the messenger [as] who instructed that each of the hypocrites will be known because this very trusted companion will not come to the funeral of any of them.

we also know that while Abu Bakr [ra] did not pray in the masjid of the hypocrite and did not take the zakat of that wealthy hypocrite, when he died, the trusted sahabah [ra] did not stay away from his funeral.

Umar, Uthman, Ali were all murdered. how can we say that the good news of paradise that the messenger [as] gave to these people [ra] except for Ali [ra] is wasted? Worse, that the statement of Allah in Taubah verse 100, is now incorrect? I read 101 and from my ability to reason, and your explanation, i did not find any of these people to be destined for hell fire because their 'disagreements' with Fatima and or Ali {ra}.

Allah is the Only Knower and he is the Only One that determines who will end up in Hell. I find it impossible to accept that the prophet [as] will be a husband of a woman who will end up in Hell and his closest companions are destined for hell, too, while Allah does not give us a clear indication of that in the Quran, as in the case of the earlier prophets who say the evil people from their family destroyed.

We in Islam say the awariyun of prophet isa bin Maryam [as] were believers. How is it that we say the closest companions of the last prophet [as] are 'hypocrites", considering that the leader deserves those he leads? and the followers deserve the leader that leads them? what are we saying of the prophet then, in this case?

May Allah forgive each of our shortcomings. Amin. For me i say Allah chose the best leader [as] for the best companions [ra]. Thanks for the dialogue.

illusion2:

This just conforms what I have been saying. You have absolutely no idea of what you are saying.

You just come on NL & post hearsay on NL. Confirming you have no figures to back up your claim ,just shows how obtuse your reasoning is.

The Shia : Sunni ratio has remained constant for over 30 years (if not increased in favour of Shia),the gerrymandering of voting districts by the govt is wrong , but is based on geography & not population ! We have the not so similar unfair & mind boggling system in Nigeria ,where the House of Reps members from OLD KANO STATE are more than all the House of Reps members from the entire South-South. Should we start killing hausa people.

A review of the Bahraini map will confirm this. Shias are concentrated in mainly in the Northern Governorates,while the Southern (the largest geographically is Sunni) the others are shared,so your asking people to be killed on a false premise is based on rumours and I will ask the moderators for your IP so you can be traced and charged for inciting racial hatred & genocide in Kingdom of Bahrain,where I was a proud resident until 2 years ago.

On migration, official statistics show that more than 90% of recently naturalised(IN LAST 30 YEARS) are Shia - mainly women from Iran married to Iranian Bahrainis.

I'll get back to you with a police charge sheet for your crimes against humanity,

Lagosboy:

I was never aware of this and this is thought provoking. I asked lagoshia if he had ever visited Bahrain and he tactically ignored my question. I have also briefly visited the country and I know all he bases his arguements on are shia vs sunni war, he wants a war between sects he is never for unity , in his mind life is black or white. He says in islam you are iether wrong or right but he has forgotten that in the fiqh of islam we have wajib, haram, mandub, makru.

Thanks illusion for this information

LagosShia:

i didnt ignore your question.i must have skipped it unknowingly.

my question to you:

are you saying there is no discrimination in bahrain by the tyrannical king against the majority shia and those protesting have no claims?what is the solution

why are the majority shia protesting?we had over 300,000 out of 600,000 bahrainis protesting.in egypt we had 3 million out of 80 million who succeeded in changing the regime.

LagosShia:

[b]to all the defenders of tyranny and oppression:[/b]1.) can you tell us what is wrong in bahrain?

2.) who is to blame?

3.) what is the solution?

LagosShia:

to all the defenders of tyranny and oppression:

1.) can you tell us what is wrong in bahrain?

LagosShia:

2.) who is to blame?

LagosShia:

3.) what is the solution?

uplawal:

@vedaxcool,if you think i do read all your posts too,you must be a joker,and i dnt expect you to feel anyhow too,so dnt expect me to feel bad if no one is replying me,its always ok by me if my intention is made when i post,i dnt have to make a big deal out of it.

LagosShia:

you tried wahhabi style to spin and twist the words of others but you failed as usual.

i never called for attacks on innocent civilians who simply went to protest and go back home.even so,i am yet to receive a reply from any of the wahhabi wannabes.those indians and pakistanis seen protesting,are those legal bahraini citizens or are they migrant workers poking their noses in the affairs of other people as "political mercenaries"?

what are they?

i keep stressing how this monrachy propaganda is working in the cockroach brains of some people.the protesters from both sides,regardless of what i think of the pro-government protesters who are not bahrainis,were peaceful.why do people keep forgetting the fact that while pro-government protesters were safe and free to protest,the anti-government protesters were brutally cracked down? i am yet to be convinced by anyone that pro-government protesters who were peaceful were attacked by the shia anti-government protesters.that is not true.

i also emphasized that arguing the morality behind attacking protesters from opposing camps is not a reality on the ground in bahrain.this is only a scope within our own NL discussions.i have also insisted that peaceful protesters are not to be attacked but that depends on conditions surrounding the word "peaceful".were they really peaceful?

all said and done,it is time for the monarchy to give peace a chance and go away.if the king has not used his militiamen to attack anti-govt. protesters no violence would have occurred.even if for argument sake i am to accept that pro-government protesters were attacked,then again the government is to blame because the violence came thanks to them.

you can call me as you wish.the fact remains that in bahrain,there is a majority fighting for their survival.it is not the majority that is threatening the lives or existence of the minority nor are they the ones endangering the lives of foreigners.you're just inventing your story here.the problem is not retaliation by the shia or offence.the issue is the shia want to live free and safe and that is not too much to ask for.if you view that as extremist,then what would you describe the king's attitude or the sunnis' whose aim is to eliminate an entire population simply because the others have different sectarian beliefs?dont be one-eyed.that is of the dajjal!!!you can vomit disgustingly how you view your so called "radical shiism" but you cannot give me an instance of radicalism by shias or even an endorsement of it by our scholars.radicalism only exists in wahhabism aka salafism.it does not exist in shia islam.i previously challenged anyone to give me just one instance where a shia carried out a suicide bombing to kill civilians in market place or hotels as wahhabis do.you can also try.you will never find a shia killing innocent civilians talkless of carrying out suicide bombings against civilians.the islam taught by the Prophet Muhammad ensures that fighting is conducted between opposing combatants.it is the wahhabi cowards that target civilians just like their zionist friends also do.

LagosShia:

as for what you saw as "complimenting' a kaffir,you can again be free to see it as you like.when a muslim does wrong and as the wahhabis do,other muslims who identify the wrong should not try to justify that wrong.if you do,others who are not muslims will recognize what is wrong and before you know it the entire religion would be blackmailed and its image tarnished.if one muslim does wrong,identify and correct the wrong and even condemn what is wrong.what is wrong is wrong regardless whether it is a muslim or christian that commits it.if you feel bad that i expose the wrongs of the wahhabis which they have committed and are being used to blacklist islam as a religion,then i dont care what you think.i am only bothered to make sure my religion is intact and pure and no one tries to use anything against islam with success even if that means condemning the actions of a black sheep among muslims.islam teaches us justice and virtue.if we cannot practice that among ourselves and be exemplary and tell the kafir that we are a just nation,then how do you wish to impliment justice upon the kafir?if we are not just among ourselves and we are practicing favoritism and discrimination then dont bother to impliment justice on others.sharia law is for muslims first before the kafir.there are laws within the sharia which even do not oblige the kafir.

LagosShia:

justice is when the Prophet Muhammad told people that if his own very daughter who is beloved to him is to commit theft,he will cut off her hands.but if you want to cover up for a muslim when theft is committed in order not to embarass him and make the kafir feel whatever,then you're unjust.may Allah judge you for that.

vedaxcool:

Lagosshia: Sunni

Lagoshia: Sunni

Lagoshia: Destroy all Sunnis

Believe me, that is how Lagoshia Brain produce "High Grade Intellectualism".

But to answer your question, the Problem in Bahrain, is Injustice, perpetuated by a Family that wantsto retain power by all means: that is the Monarchy, who is to blame, I think all Bahrains should take the blame for accepting injustice for too long. The solution, the Bahrains need to come together - not kill each other as Oga Karbala is suggesting- and fight a common enemy called Injustice, if the Egyptians could remove strong Mubarak peacefully, then I think the Bahrains could remove their enemies quite easily using the power of Unity.

I was just trying to point out to you that your method of engaging with your muslim brothers and sisters and even your fellow human being is quite distastful. You seem spoiling for a war. that is not the spirit we need in having a discourse.

Look at how he confuses his own extremist view, of calling for the annihilation of Foreigners in Bahrain with the struggle for Bahrain, no where did I say that the Bahrain Shias are extremist, but I said they are too intelligent to engage in your form of extremism. Again it was actually you shias that raise the issue of suicide bombings to Islamic fame . Now to claim shias do not kill civillians during conflict is very laughable, Oga Karbala, is this how in the know you actually are?

Lebanon, Palestine, Iraq

While suicide martyrdom did not win the Iran–Iraq War for Iran, it did spread to Lebanon, where it won victories for Hezbollah, Shia allies of the Islamic Revolution there. Hebollah's 1983 bombings against U.S. and French peacekeeping troops killed over 600 and drove them from Lebanon. Another longer bombing campaign did likewise to the Israeli army. Khomeini is credited by some with inspiring these Hezbollah "suicide bombers".[75]

The power of shaheed operations as a military tactic has been described by Shia Lebanese as an equalizer where faith and piety are used to counter superior military power of the Western unbeliever:

You look at it with a Western mentality. You regard it as barbaric and unjustified. We, on the other hand, see it as another means of war, but one which is also harmonious with our religion and beliefs. Take for example, an Israeli warplane or, better still, the American and British air power in the Gulf War. , The goal of their mission and the outcome of their deeds was to kill and damage enemy positions just like us , The only difference is that they had at their disposal state-of-the-art and top-of-the-range means and weaponry to achieve their aims. We have the minimum basics , We , do not seek material rewards, but heavenly one in the hereafter.[76]

The victory of Hezbollah is known to have inspired Hamas in Palestine,[77] al-Qaeda in its worldwide bombing campaign.[78] In the years after Khomeini's death, "Martyrdom operations" or "suicide bombing" have spread beyond Shia Islam and beyond attacks on military and are now a major force in the Muslim world.[79] According to one estimate, as of early 2008, 1,121 Muslim suicide bombers have blown themselves up in Iraq alone.[80]

Ironically and tragically, in the last few years, thousands of Muslims, particularly Shia, have been victims, not just initiators, of martyrdom operations, with many civilians and even mosques and shrines being targeted, particularly in Iraq.[81] Wahhabi extremist Abu Musab Al-Zarqawi has quoted Muhammad ibn Abd al-Wahhab urging his followers to kill Shi'a of Iraq.[82] In 2007 some of the Shia ulema have responded by declared suicide bombing haram:

"حتي كساني كه با انتحار مي‌‏آيند و مي‌‏زنند عده‌‏اي را مي‌‏كشند، آن هم به عنوان عمليات انتحاري، اينها در قعر جهنم هستند"
"Even those who kill people with suicide bombing, these shall meet the flames of hell."[83]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_thought_and_legacy_of_Khomeini

You see this evil method of figting was actually brought by u shias, I just dey laugh at the way you reason, pls Read! don't Just follow.

You are very funny, maybe you did not really understand what I was saying, but you were in a haste to reply, as anybody that follows the link I gave will notice that the replies you made, had no place in the discussion under place, this Kafir that you supprted even denies God, yet you Juilantly followed his article without even refuting the fals[flash=eness in which he wrote, Lagoshia, the so called Wahabi scholars you keep yapping about, were correct in most of the assertions they made, that is they rejected mixing Islamic beliefs with that of other Faiths, what wrong is there in that? they said they do not support placing the Qur'an, the Bible, and the Torah in one Book, what is wrong in that? You are being wiser by half - I am sorry to use this Language- as you were not refuting their views in that article, but you were Just interested in attacking them, none of what you wrote in your initial reply had any bearing to that article, but again Oga Karbala only wants to attack the Wahabis at any Junction. The Funny thing is the Op of that thread simply gave a misleading Thread name only to defame Islam yet Oga Karbala felt that is small compared to what the Wahabis have done to him,pls take am easy.

Your smartness should have allowed you reliase what I was saying ,but the Karbala spirit is intoxicating you too much[b][/b]. An article that was written to deface Islam and the Wahabis what do u think is the greater Theft? Oh, I forgot the Wahabis callled Yazeed a caliph that really hurts you that ws why a Godless Kafir attack on Islam meant nothing to you.

Shia militia' behind Iraq blast
The Ghazil pet market bombing in Baghdad on 23 November 2007
At least 13 people were killed and dozens hurt in the blast
A US military spokesman in Iraq has blamed Iranian-backed Shia militants for a bomb attack on a pet market in Baghdad that killed at least 13 people.

The bomb, hidden in a box of birds at the popular Ghazil market, also injured dozens on Friday.

Rear Adm Gregory Smith said four people had been arrested overnight and that confessions pointed to an Iranian-backed special groups cell.

He said the cell wanted the blame to fall on Sunni al-Qaeda militants.

Rogue elements

Adm Smith said the overnight raids and detentions were carried out by Iraqi and coalition forces.


The group's purpose was to make it appear al-Qaeda was responsible for this attack
Rear Admiral Gregory Smith

In pictures: Market blast

"Based on subsequent confessions, forensics and other intelligence, the bombing was the work of an Iranian-backed special groups cell operating here in Baghdad."

The BBC's Jim Muir in the capital says this is the name generally given by the Americans to rogue elements of the Mehdi Army militia who have ignored the call by their supposed leader, Shia cleric Moqtada al-Sadr, to halt all military activities.

Bomb attacks such as Friday's are generally linked to Sunni al-Qaeda militants.

Adm Smith said: "The group's purpose was to make it appear al-Qaeda was responsible for this attack."

He said this was to frighten the Shia community into supporting the militias as protectors

your challenge has been met we can even go to Parkistan or Lebanon, there are many examples aboun

LagosShia:

let me tell you this:
i refrained from posting figures here because first of all each side in bahrain would have its own figures.the opposition has its figures to show that the government is naturalizing foreigners based on sectarianism and based on a politically motivated agenda.while the government also invents its figures to deceive you that it is not doing so,while in reality and on the ground they are.
you got over 300,000 people out of about 600,000 original bahrainis protesting in a square.among their demands was stopping the politically motivated naturalizations and the discrimination against the majority shia population.and here you are accusing me of hearsay.its either you have decided to be deaf or blind.

LagosShia:

now you're trying hard to be dumb with no offense intended.
you cannot tell me that 70% of bahrainis who are shia live on the same area in size as 30% or less who are sunnis.what are you saying?

LagosShia:

and even if i am to accept your deception again,i must ask:in democracy,is it the rule of the majority or the rule of the size of the land?
what stops the majority of people in changing their electoral law if it exists as you're claiming?

LagosShia:

you dont need to ask the moderators.you can ask me and i will give you not my IP address but my location and name and everything you need to know about me.you can even send me yours and i will come to you.
you need to be charged because you have lied thrice.first you're denying the rights of a majority telling about north and south as if you're talking about nigeria where no clear majority is present.democracy is about numbers and not land space.and even your assertion is wrong.the government is sunni,so its natural that most of the empty land in bahrain were turned into real estates and developed by sunnis who got all the cash.that does not mean their numbers can actually occupy those areas and fill them up.and since when did bahrain become shia north and sunni south?another orchestrated plan by the tyrant and you here to deceive us with that.your second lie is accusing me of inciting people to kill.your third lie is denying the reality that something is wrong in bahrain and the majority and discriminated against and their rights stolen and pretending as if bahrainis are not already killing themselves.was i the one that told them to fight?or was i the one that adviced the king to kill protesters?
the above is the most ridiculous.bahraini men married iranian women and got bahraini citizenship.and you want to impress us with that?in the arab world when men marry foreigners the women get the citizenship of their husbands.but when arab women marry foreign men,they cannot give the citizenship to their husbands or even children from a foreign man.

you're talking as if it was the bahraini govt. that went to give iranian women to bahraini men because the govt. so loves giving iranians bahraini citizenship.

Lagosboy:

You still have not answered it
If you read my post from the begining of this thread you will realise i stated my 100% support for the protesters for reform. Descrimination exists no doubt and there are other issues as well that needs reform.

Solutiton is to keep up the proetsts and never protest along sectarian line but protest as one Bahrain. The moment they identify themselves as shia fighting for the shia cause the passive sunnis will have no option than not to join the protest but allign with their own as well. The protest was successfull in the begining but will never be successful IMO now that it is sectarian.

Numbers can never be verified by anyone but the truth is it was not just the shias protesting at the begining, even thousands of sunnis joined the protest as they wanted genuine constitional monarchy where the will of the people prevails.

I told you in my first post on this thread that this parochial thinking of your from the pin hole of shi-sunni divide will never serve any purpose except dissent. I once agin call you to join those that seek to bridge the divide , unite on what we agree upon and let our differences fizzle out. We all have a common goal which is salvation in the hereafter and our purpose in life is to worship our creator.

Some of shia leaders are doing just that an di respect them for it and even appreciate their efforts but people like you should learn from Nasrallah and Ahmedinjad on how to be steadfast, foster unity and not further sow the seeds of dissent.

Lagosboy:

Buddie , labelling people with bad names for opposing your views is disgusting and i will keep telling you. No one here has defended the King under any instance but all we have done is diagree with your notion of killing civilians for protesting in favour of the king.

Syrian leadership is worse in terms of dictatorship and freedom restriction than the Bahraini king but Ï dont see you criticise him. I criticise the saudi royals and all dictators regardless of the sect or creed.

Anyway i give up on this coversation as i know you never listen, accept and always right in your view. I have been saying the same thing 20 times and over. Have a good day.

vedaxcool:

Lagosshia: Sunni

Lagoshia: Sunni

Lagoshia: Destroy all Sunnis


Believe me, that is how Lagoshia Brain produce "High Grade Intellectualism".

But to answer your question, the Problem in Bahrain, is Injustice, perpetuated by a Family that wantsto retain power by all means: that is the Monarchy, who is to blame, I think all Bahrains should take the blame for accepting injustice for too long. The solution, the Bahrains need to come together - not kill each other as Oga Karbala is suggesting- and fight a common enemy called Injustice, if the Egyptians could remove strong Mubarak peacefully, then I think the Bahrains could remove their enemies quite easily using the power of Unity.

I was just trying to point out to you that your method of engaging with your muslim brothers and sisters and even your fellow human being is quite distastful. You seem spoiling for a war. that is not the spirit we need in having a discourse.

Look at how he confuses his own extremist view, of calling for the annihilation of Foreigners in Bahrain with the struggle for Bahrain, no where did I say that the Bahrain Shias are extremist, but I said they are too intelligent to engage in your form of extremism. Again it was actually you shias that raise the issue of suicide bombings to Islamic fame . Now to claim shias do not kill civillians during conflict is very laughable, Oga Karbala, is this how in the know you actually are?

Lebanon, Palestine, Iraq

While suicide martyrdom did not win the Iran–Iraq War for Iran, it did spread to Lebanon, where it won victories for Hezbollah, Shia allies of the Islamic Revolution there. Hebollah's 1983 bombings against U.S. and French peacekeeping troops killed over 600 and drove them from Lebanon. Another longer bombing campaign did likewise to the Israeli army. Khomeini is credited by some with inspiring these Hezbollah "suicide bombers".[75]

The power of shaheed operations as a military tactic has been described by Shia Lebanese as an equalizer where faith and piety are used to counter superior military power of the Western unbeliever:

You look at it with a Western mentality. You regard it as barbaric and unjustified. We, on the other hand, see it as another means of war, but one which is also harmonious with our religion and beliefs. Take for example, an Israeli warplane or, better still, the American and British air power in the Gulf War. , The goal of their mission and the outcome of their deeds was to kill and damage enemy positions just like us , The only difference is that they had at their disposal state-of-the-art and top-of-the-range means and weaponry to achieve their aims. We have the minimum basics , We , do not seek material rewards, but heavenly one in the hereafter.[76]

The victory of Hezbollah is known to have inspired Hamas in Palestine,[77] al-Qaeda in its worldwide bombing campaign.[78] In the years after Khomeini's death, "Martyrdom operations" or "suicide bombing" have spread beyond Shia Islam and beyond attacks on military and are now a major force in the Muslim world.[79] According to one estimate, as of early 2008, 1,121 Muslim suicide bombers have blown themselves up in Iraq alone.[80]

Ironically and tragically, in the last few years, thousands of Muslims, particularly Shia, have been victims, not just initiators, of martyrdom operations, with many civilians and even mosques and shrines being targeted, particularly in Iraq.[81] Wahhabi extremist Abu Musab Al-Zarqawi has quoted Muhammad ibn Abd al-Wahhab urging his followers to kill Shi'a of Iraq.[82] In 2007 some of the Shia ulema have responded by declared suicide bombing haram:

"حتي كساني كه با انتحار مي‌‏آيند و مي‌‏زنند عده‌‏اي را مي‌‏كشند، آن هم به عنوان عمليات انتحاري، اينها در قعر جهنم هستند"
"Even those who kill people with suicide bombing, these shall meet the flames of hell."[83]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_thought_and_legacy_of_Khomeini

You see this evil method of figting was actually brought by u shias, I just dey laugh at the way you reason, pls Read! don't Just follow.

You are very funny, maybe you did not really understand what I was saying, but you were in a haste to reply, as anybody that follows the link I gave will notice that the replies you made, had no place in the discussion under place, this Kafir that you supprted even denies God, yet you Juilantly followed his article without even refuting the falseness in which he wrote, Lagoshia, the so called Wahabi scholars you keep yapping about, were correct in most of the assertions they made, that is they rejected mixing Islamic beliefs with that of other Faiths, what wrong is there in that? they said they do not support placing the Qur'an, the Bible, and the Torah in one Book, what is wrong in that? You are being wiser by half - I am sorry to use this Language- as you were not refuting their views in that article, but you were Just interested in attacking them, none of what you wrote in your initial reply had any bearing to that article, but again Oga Karbala only wants to attack the Wahabis at any Junction. The Funny thing is the Op of that thread simply gave a misleading Thread name only to defame Islam yet Oga Karbala felt that is small compared to what the Wahabis have done to him,pls take am easy.

Your smartness should have allowed you reliase what I was saying, but the Karbala spirit is intoxicating you too much. An article that was written to deface Islam and the Wahabis what do u think is the greater Theft? Oh, I forgot the Wahabis callled Yazeed a caliph that really hurts you that ws why a Godless Kafir attack on Islam meant nothing to you.

Shia militia' behind Iraq blast
The Ghazil pet market bombing in Baghdad on 23 November 2007
At least 13 people were killed and dozens hurt in the blast
A US military spokesman in Iraq has blamed Iranian-backed Shia militants for a bomb attack on a pet market in Baghdad that killed at least 13 people.

The bomb, hidden in a box of birds at the popular Ghazil market, also injured dozens on Friday.

Rear Adm Gregory Smith said four people had been arrested overnight and that confessions pointed to an Iranian-backed special groups cell.

He said the cell wanted the blame to fall on Sunni al-Qaeda militants.

Rogue elements

Adm Smith said the overnight raids and detentions were carried out by Iraqi and coalition forces.


The group's purpose was to make it appear al-Qaeda was responsible for this attack
Rear Admiral Gregory Smith

In pictures: Market blast

"Based on subsequent confessions, forensics and other intelligence, the bombing was the work of an Iranian-backed special groups cell operating here in Baghdad."

The BBC's Jim Muir in the capital says this is the name generally given by the Americans to rogue elements of the Mehdi Army militia who have ignored the call by their supposed leader, Shia cleric Moqtada al-Sadr, to halt all military activities.

Bomb attacks such as Friday's are generally linked to Sunni al-Qaeda militants.

Adm Smith said: "The group's purpose was to make it appear al-Qaeda was responsible for this attack."

He said this was to frighten the Shia community into supporting the militias as protectors

your challenge has been met we can even go to Parkistan or Lebanon, there are many examples abound.

illusion2:

Inasmuch as I try to avoid arguments that have no end , you have shown yourself to be less of the cerebral human being I initially thought you were, but actually an intellectual paperweight or maybe you’re studying to be an Ayatollah- I advise you should steer clear of politics.

I make bold to say ,you have never being to Bahrain before, all your information is gleaned from Shia websites ,which by themselves have an agenda.You come to a ‘neutral’ site like NL & spew absolute nonsense !

If you are arguing the merits of Shia over Sunni Islam or the role of Imam Hussain in Islamic jurisprudence, I certainly can’t argue with you, but we are talking POLITICS here ! FUNDAMENTAL ,BASIC & DIRTY POLITICS . I’m sorry your religious point of view is not relevant !
What percentage of Sunnis are struggling ? Are they (Sunnis) also concerned with the way things are?
What percentage of Shia support the recent protests? Do you know??
How many Shias hold senior positions in private & public organisations??
How many Shias are in the Bahraini Upper House (Shura council)
Where did you come up with your 300,000 out of 600,000 figure ??

Because I gave you some facts & figures ,you decided to come up with your voodoo maths .
You are a bigoted rascal no offense intended .

If you weren’t a scoundrel(no offense intended) , you would have referred to the Bahraini map as advised and seen that large swathes of the south are UNINHABITED !

There are Shias not only in the Northern Gvernorates but in all, its just that the North is almost exclusively Shia while the ssouthern is almost exclusively Sunni. There are 3 other Governorates – Capital ,Muharraq & Central – facts - not religious ideology ! Are there more Shia in bahrain-absolutely , are they proportionally represented no ! Is there a need for reform certainly .

REFORMS NOT MATYRS !!

If you weren’t so blinded by your religion ,you would have read that I said –IT IS WRONG FOR THE GOVT TO CREATE VOTING DISTRICTS LIKE THAT !!! I went further to give another unfair example in Nigeria which MUST be corrected ,but the question is should we kill Hausa people like you have asked the Bahraini Shias to kill PAKISTANIS & INDIANS because we do not agree with the political situation ??

Complete & utter nonsense – everything you have asked has been answered in previous posts. I cannot continue in never ending diatribe, I’m sorry I have work to do.

No offense but you seem to be a rascal & I can’t continue exchanging words with rascals especially genocidal & religiously blinded ones.
Case dismissed !!

LagosShia:

i wouldnt expect something more intelligent from you anyways.

LagosShia:

a few hundred died in egypt.is that what you call peaceful?and the bahraini king is ready to kill even more to stay on power.where in the world have we ever witnessed a head of state getting support from a neigboring country to kill his own people?

LagosShia:

i never called for a war."hymen" came here in support of the king and tried to justify his massacres by saying that the anti-govt. protesters attacked other protesters who are pro-govt and the security forces.i simply responded that the shia protesters have a right to defend themselves.but i kept denying that the anti-govt. protesters killed anyone who was peaceful or civilians from the opposing camp.from there on,you guys keep repeating the same nonsense that i am caling for attacks on peaceful protesters.you all forgot that the anti-govt. protesters are the ones on the defensive and it was the govt. that turned everything violent.why do you ignore that?

LagosShia:

let me repeat again lest you distort my words:

whether it was shia that started or justified suicide bombings based on islamic jurisprudence is another topic entirely.

LagosShia:

the issue i pointed out is the fact that nowhere have we witnessed shia suicide bombers in market place either sent or endorsed by our religious institutions-meaning our grand scholars of jurisprudence.

LagosShia:

you presented what actually justifies my words.the above you presented,whether suicide bombers or nuclear weapons were used,they were used against military targets and that was endorsed by Ayatollah Khomeini.

LagosShia:

i am not ready to go there again.if you go through the thread you will see that the wahhabis were extreme.

LagosShia:

are you really a muslim?

LagosShia:

what would be the Prophet's reaction if he could read the above?

LagosShia:



under your beloved king,bahrain has being turned into a brothel for saudi prostitution and immoral activities.foreigners who are benefitting from the status quo would no doubt feel bad if the immoral system is to be uprooted.

i want to ask out of curiosity.maybe you're "dating" one/some of those gulf princes/men who travel to bahrain for their sexual and immoral escapades.are you sure you have no interest at risk at the prospect of regime change in bahrain??

LagosShia:

there was a plan in those days to ensure that a sunni-shia war erupts in iraq.the same people who would bomb shia mosques and civilians were the ones who will plan again to bomb sunni mosques and civilians.

LagosShia:

when the Holy Mosque in Samarra which houses the tombs of the 10th and 11th Imams (as) was bombed,the shia street was boiling for revenge.but iraq'a highest shia religious authority,Ayatollah Ali al-Sistani issued a fatwa which forbids revenge on innocent sunnis.the difference is quite clear.

Sweetnecta:

@Lagosshia; « #166 on: Yesterday at 09:26:28 AM »The former enemy of Islam who killed HAmza [ra] finally became Muslim, a companion of the prophet in the lifetime of the Messenger [As]. This same man [Washi] and Ali bin Abi Talib [ra] both killed an enemy of Islam in one of the later battles, in the lifetime of the Messenger. Those who are evildoers from the house of the prophets [Noah an Lut [as]] were punished in the lifetime of each prophet. When it came to prophet Muhammad [as], his uncle Abi Lahab and his wife were declared to be doom and died as indicated in the Quran in the lifetime of the noblest of all messengers[as].
we cant say that Aisha [ra] his wife who say him not only as a husband, but as a mate/husband and he died in her presence is the same as the doomed wives of Noah and Lut. She was not punished at all in the presence of the messenger [as], instead was supported by Allah when the slander slandered her with rumor of infidelity. I do not pray for the killers of prophets. No one of the following is the killer of any prophet [AS]]; Abi Bakr, Umar, Uthman, Aisha, Hafsa [ra]. Tell me which prophet any killed, if you know.

While my does not by any stretch of imagination amount to calling Sahaba [ra] prophet [as], Allah chose which soul that must live in a particular time, unless you do say we occur without Allah's firm design of when we arrive on earth. Further, some have argued that ahadith can be found where the messenger [as] said if there were not that no prophet will come after me, a companion would have been a prophet. I remember reading a piece from you where you said the messenger said Ali bin Abi Talib [ra] to me is like what Harun was to Musa{as]. Incidentally both were prophets.
The second blod is not known from the Quran. Allah did not say that a companion of Issa bin Maryam[as] betrayed him. If you know the verse in the Quran that indicates such an event, let me know. Maybe you have ahadith that you can share with me. Please do, since I am just a toddler in Islam.

Are you saying that there is no good news of paradise to any companion of our beloved messenger [as]?

While i do not think that the shia has a leg up in love of the messenger and his believing household than others in Islam, there is no way you can read my mind and know where i lean in all my posts. No one has exclusivity based on what club or group they belong to. Prophets are [AS] while others at best [RA]. The Christians think that they truly love Jesus son of Mary as they exaggerate his praise. Yet it is the Muslims who give him his full measure of love and leadership that is due him [as].

Tell me where any of the following is put in the category as above; Abi Bakr, Umar Khattab, Uthma Affan, Aisha bint Abi Bakr [Zaujat Muhammad [AS]], Hafsa bint Umar Khattab [Zaujat Muhammad [AS]].

Apart from the fact that my statement above is something of deep thinking, I believe there is a hadith towards that idea. I do not know any verse of the Quran that says that a companion of Issa bin Maryam [as] betrayed him. maybe you need to show me, since I am not dealing with the Bible in our brotherly conversation. Those who accepted Nuh [as] as their true leader went into the ship with him. Those who accepted Lut [as] as their leader were saved with him. The followers of Tyrannical Firawn perished with him.

from the sahaba of Muhammad [as] we had Ali who slept on his spot not fearing for his life in the hands of the makkans. from the same sahaba, we had Uthman who entered Makka and didnt make Umrah because others were not even allowed in. From the same Sahaba we had Umar who did not make his migration a secret, daring the makkans to go against him. from the same sahaba we had Abu Bakr who the prophet chose to be his companion during the greatest of the migrations.
in the companion of Jesus, using your statement, we have a betrayer. the bible says that peter denied him 3 times before dawn. no one of them was present at the alleged hanging.
Please tell me which set of companion is more noble? Which is the more noble leader, since you are a muslim? Who did Allah complete Islam upon, stopping revelation on him and making him the only messenger to all mankind; Isaa bin Maryam or Muhammad bin Abdullah? Alhamdulillah. Thanks for your efforts.

vedaxcool:


I maintain that Bahrains need to stick together instead of killing each other it only serves the oppressor's plan, and Oga Karbala sectarian conjectures

It's very much the issue, Khomini erred in supporting such a thing. This i negative influence has spread beyound military targets and is now considered a legitimate way of fighting. Distorting your words of whimsical value to me, Clearly this evil way of fighting which apparently shias has stopped using, was brought to Islam by Shias.

Hezbollah and its proto-organization Islamic Jihad initiated the suicide terror campaign in
Lebanon in the early 1980s. The Ayatollah Khomeini sent 1,000 troops of the Iranian
Revolutionary guard to Lebanon to establish a base to export the Islamic Revolution.16
Subsequently, the first suicide bombing of the modern era occurred in 1981, when the Iraniansupported
Shiite group al-Dawa detonated a car bomb at the Iraqi Embassy, causing 61
fatalities.17 After the Israeli incursion into Lebanon in 1982, Iranian-influenced Shiite groups
coalesced into Hezbollah. Its first suicide attack occurred on 11 November 1982, when a suicide
truck bomb detonated outside the Israeli army headquarters in Tyre.18 In 1983, Hezbollah stepped
up its attacks against Western targets.
• In April 1983, suicide bombs against the American embassy in Beirut killed 63 civilians.
• In October 1983, suicide bombs against the American Marine barracks and French
Military living quarters killed 300 soldiers and civilians.
• The synchronization of the October attacks would become a tactic emulated by Al
Qaeda.19
UNCLASSIFIED - 4

I thought they only target the Milliatry, it seems you have forgot that an explosion cannot differentiate between a soldier and a civilian or are all civillians from the west Great Satans? . if your concern is only about market, then you are clearly being myopic.

Did u asked how often civilians died beside the military.

man are you well at all? if questions are too tough for you to answer, at lest say pass

what would be the prophet reaction to this:
?

Selective amnesia in play

Also on June 20, 2007, according to police, a Sunni mosque suffered minor damage from a bomb attack in the town of Iskandariyah, and another Sunni mosque was badly damaged by a bomb attack in the town of Jbela, south of Baghdad

On June 20, 2007, suspected members of a Shi'a militia reportedly detonated a bomb inside a Sunni mosque in Haswa, south of Baghdad. Hours later, attackers struck a mosque near Hillah and targeted the imam's house near the mosque, but the cleric fled when he saw them coming, according to the police

On June 16, 2007, witnesses and security officials stated hooded gunmen in black blew up the Sunni Ashrah al-Mubashra mosque in Basra after ordering police officers at the mosque to flee.

On June 15, 2007, an explosion destroyed the Sunni Talha Bin al-Zubair mosque in Basra, apparently in retaliation for the June 13, 2007, destruction of the two minarets of the Askariya Shrine in Samarra, one of the holiest Shi'a shrines. The attack was similar to the February 22, 2006, destruction of the shrine's golden dome that sparked a wave of retaliatory sectarian violence throughout the country.

on August 27, 2007, a suicide bomber blew himself up in a Sunni mosque in Fallujah during the evening prayers. The explosion killed ten worshippers, including the imam of the mosque

But I guess lagoshia is only interested in Suicide bombers in market place.

Again look at how your shia cleric overuled Khomini:

Wahhabi extremist Abu Musab Al-Zarqawi has quoted Muhammad ibn Abd al-Wahhab urging his followers to kill Shi'a of Iraq.[82] In 2007 some of the Shia ulema have responded by declared suicide bombing haram:

"حتي كساني كه با انتحار مي‌‏آيند و مي‌‏زنند عده‌‏اي را مي‌‏كشند، آن هم به عنوان عمليات انتحاري، اينها در قعر جهنم هستند"
"Even those who kill people with suicide bombing, these shall meet the flames of hell."[83]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_thought_and_legacy_of_Khomeini

LagosShia:

bahrainis cannot stick together because the oppressor's plan clearly is sectarian.the bahrainis can stick togther when you have sunnis both in and outside of bahrain supporting their shia brothers.if not,the oppressor's plan is aimed at alienating the shia and favoring the sunnis.the sunnis must rise up against the oppression done against the shia [size=18pt]for us[/size] to stick together as one and part of the same body called islam.i wish for that to happen.you can start by exposing the oppression and brutality of the oppressor and not forming baseless arguments against the oppressed or the victims of oppression and brutality.

LagosShia:

your logic is like saying (and may Allah forgive me) that because Allah started the act of sending prophets to mankind,that is the reason we have so many false prophets around.

Khomeini started it to target superior militaries and to create a balance of fear.not to use it to kill civilians.

LagosShia:

hezbollah and palestinian group have never used suicide bombings to target their fellow lebanese and palestinians.all the instances you mentioned were justified and military targets.if your issue about the explosion mistakenly affecting civilians,then the risk always exists in whatever form you may use to defend yourself.my point remains that never has any shia scholar or any shia used suicide bombing or even any other means of fighting to attack civilians.

LagosShia:

that is why even here in Nigeria,you are always warned to "keep off" from those areas.that warning is even more serious when a country is at war.

LagosShia:

no muslim would use the phrase "the karbala spirit is intoxicating you" and still shamelessly claim to be muslim.in your sight Karbala is likened to intoxicants.what a great "muslim" you're!!!ask Allah for forgiveness.

LagosShia:

you will get the chance to know.inshaAllah.

LagosShia:

i have explained to you the issue in iraq.i thank God in the instances you presented i read "suspected members of a shia militia".that means,they are not sure of them being shia.

LagosShia:

secondly,i explained that there was a deliberate plan in iraq to make sure a sunni-shia war erupt.the same people who would attack shia mosques and the same ones who will plan again to attack sunni mosques.in that case,the layman would think two muslim groups are attacking themselves.the layman then will also join the attack.

LagosShia:

i also mentioned that when the shia Holy Mosque which houses the tombs of the 10th and 11 th Imams (as) were attacked,there was shia anger and a drive for revenge.in order to stop any possible attack on sunni mosques,Ayatollah Sistani forbade any such attackes against our sunni brothers.

LagosShia:

ignorance is bad.

LagosShia:

suicide bombings in the case of iraq targets civilians and is therefore haram.suicide bombings used as a last resort to defend oneself against superior militaries that destroy your country and people is allowed as a last resort.that is islamic fiqh.even sunnis have accepted that including their scholars.

vedaxcool:

what a Logical Fallacy!, how does sending prophet and Suicide bombing compare? I truly pity people like this, Now, you have the gut to compare Khomini - a mere mortal - with ALLAH, may ALLAh truly forgive you, as suicide is clearly prohibited in the Qur'an, so Khomini had no moral or scriptural justification for suicide bombings. Suicide is generally taken as Cowardice. ALLAH warned in the Qur'an, that believers should not go to the extreme because of the hatred of their enemy. Again Khomini was dead wrong, that is why shia scholars today overruled such practice. I restate what they wrote:

in 2007 some of the Shia ulema have responded by declared suicide bombing haram:

"حتي كساني كه با انتحار مي‌‏آيند و مي‌‏زنند عده‌‏اي را مي‌‏كشند، آن هم به عنوان عمليات انتحاري، اينها در قعر جهنم هستند"
"Even those who kill people with suicide bombing, these shall meet the flames of hell."[83]

Pathetic Hiss, it seem you were reading with your eyes closed, cause i just showed you an instance of Hezbollah killing civillians it seem Human life has no value to you, In Islam I understand you are not suppose to even destroy vegetation of your enemies or even kill animals during war, They are rules of war, but I know you shia claim to be wiser, did you say suicide bombing is not a sin despite ALLAH rejection of suicide? yet to you killing citizens of other country is a joke, you lack the deep reflection to know that, Hezbollah tomorrow can claim the sunnis in their country are traitors and attack them, in 2007 Hezbollah militants fought with their sunni counter - part and in the process both sides ended up killing civillians, now may be you do not watch cable news or you are simply unaware of this happenings, For any sane individual to claim that Shia militant groups have not targeted civilians during conflict is very troubling and very much a displeasing lie. Now your concern has shifted from Market to fellow citizens,atleast we are making progress, may be you might shift ftom fellow citizens to fellow conutryman Have you heard of the word Civil war before? In a civil war you are either on one side or the other, trying to use dubious argument to defend suicide bomber that is so long as it is not use against your fellow citizens, again I asked have you heard of Civil war? Suicide bombing is used to fight enemies, even in Iraq Alqaeda used it against fellow Sunnis they looked upon as traitors, but i guess that eloped your ears. Again Sir, how does an explosion distinguish between an enemy and a fellow citizen?

I laugh , imagine Hezbollah warning the Americans that they were going to bomb their embassy and civillians should keep off. Again Imagine red cross going to war torn places in Nigeria or else where to help the injured and displaced, so according to oga Karbala since they were warned to keep off, they are Halal target . please i believe you can think better than that.

It must have really hurt you badly , I only yopu did not , if I may asked what did you understand by the phrase Karbala Spirit is intoxicating you? the deeply entrenched Hypocrisy you have been showing through out this thread is enough reason for us to to label you the chief of Munaffiqun, and I repeat the spirit of Karbala is Intoxicating you three times over, ALLAH reads my mind more than you Karbala antics for me to be swayed by your violent Hypocrisy, I am not going to indulge you at all in explaining what is meant by it, let you thoughts cause you more trauma , This same individual that had the effrontery to compare ALLAh sending Prophets to the world with a a mere mortal who made suicide Bombing halal when ALLAH rejected suicide as a grave sin, yet you write gibberish after gibberish parading yourself as a Bahrain, I even doubt whether you might ever smell the air of Bahrain as even the shia will run away from you for your evil love for violence against anything contra.

Hypocrite! you could not bring yourself to answer the question? Ignoramus of Hypocritical proportions. If I may ask would you ever participate in suicide bombing if perharps, Ayatollah Khaminaei orders you to, I even heard that nasrallah - I have nothing against him, he is one of the most Charismatic Muslim figures in the world - was alledged to have stated that he is willing to divorce his wfe if the Ayatollah Khaminaei orders him to, because I am begining to doubt you Shianess .

Please Humbly accept this title ' Master in the ART of BLIND ARGUMENT'. mR. kARBALA. you truly deserve it and have worked hard for it.

so, Layman, do you knowwho was trying to perpetuating this dastardly acts?

But Shia militants still attacked. Keep living in utter delusions.

Spot on, especially when you are arguing with a Hypocritical Shia with Fanatical Tendencies, who compares things that do not have the same value.

it ra=target both civillians and military. Why the lies?

I taught according to you all sunni scholars were Ignorant? I showed you that Your shia scholars forbade Suicide Bombings but your fanatiscm has not let you explain why? instead he turns to sunnis for solace Again we have to ask why u insult reason and common sense?

Can an explosion differentiate between a fellow citizen and an enemy?. The bolded part of statement again shows how utterly Ignorant you are, suicide Bombings is attacking not defending, even when I have showed how this suicide Bombing can result to dangerous results. And in all the case it has been used, it was never the last resort, it was more of the first line of attack. but I guess you have fallen in love with suicide bombings, that no amount of civilians it kills in the process can disuade you of how foolish the tactic is, it even depletes the number of fighters you have. Clearly it is an unwise tactics in the long run, unless, speaking hypothetically of cause, an entire country decides it is ready to use everything it got.