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Re: Buhari's Past Sins, Ribadu's Past Sins, Jonathan's Past Sins by EvilBrain1(m): 10:04am On Apr 03, 2011 |
recoome: Nobody is saying that the other parties are full of saints. Politics is never black and white. What I'm saying is that PDP has been in power for 12 years and since then things have gotten worse for the vast majority of Nigerians. Jonathan has been commander-in-chief 1 year and has not been in any way different from his predecessors. Democracy means that the people can punish bad leaders when the government makes the masses suffer. PDP has to go! And without massive rigging, there's no way in hell GEJ is winning by a landslide. He's only guaranteed to win the SE and SS which are the smallest zones terms of population. At best, he'll split Kaduna 50:50 with Buhari and lose badly in the rest of the north. The SW is likely to decide the winner and there is a massive anti-PDP sentiment there thanks to their rigging and their useless governors. Buhari and Bakare have made huge inroads there and Ribadu is no longer reckoned with so there'll be little splitting of the vote. In the end, I think it will come down to the 1-2 million ibos living in Lagos. The PDP expects them to vote for GEJ along ethnic lines. They may be in for a rude shock. Nigerians are not as stup.id as you think. |
Re: Buhari's Past Sins, Ribadu's Past Sins, Jonathan's Past Sins by agabaI23(m): 10:24am On Apr 03, 2011 |
Evil Brain:So you want the sinners in other parties to rule Nigeria? Good since they are all sinners, stop the holier-than-thou attitude and let us discuss issues. No more Buhari is a saint and will fight corruption mantra. If you remove that, then you all know Buhari has no chance. It is the false sainthood bestowed upon him which has been sleekly marketed that is giving him hope. Outside that, he is an empty barrel |
Re: Buhari's Past Sins, Ribadu's Past Sins, Jonathan's Past Sins by efisher(m): 10:26am On Apr 03, 2011 |
Buhari has NOTHING to offer us anymore. He has expired. |
Re: Buhari's Past Sins, Ribadu's Past Sins, Jonathan's Past Sins by recoome(m): 10:33am On Apr 03, 2011 |
@evil brain: stop decieving ur self. GEJ is leadin in the NC, and as 4 igbo's in d SW, they are seriously rooting 4 GEJ, take a trip round lagos and ask any igbo who they'll vote for, they'll tell u, that's it'r their 'in-law' they are interestd in breaking the Northern dominance,igbos will never vote 4 a northern candidate esp after mass killing of igbos in the north & the biafran war,so think again. Also, of the 20 million votes in the NW, no less than 5 million are igbo's and the apex igbo org. And igbo govs have made their stance clear, GEJ's helping of ojukwu, who is seen as the leader of the entire igbo race, was a master stroke, he's endorsment by APGA, by Aka-ikenga is also a giant stride. Even in d NW, he was given a tumultous reception in kebbi, jigawa, kano, &zamfara. South kaduna is going 2 GEJ, dnt also forget the sambo effect.bottom line, GEJ will win in the SE,SS,SW,NC and will get an appreciable no in the core north |
Re: Buhari's Past Sins, Ribadu's Past Sins, Jonathan's Past Sins by marvix(m): 11:52am On Apr 03, 2011 |
A lot of peeps here have failed to understand that Power became an issue recently, but it was not caused by those ruling today, but the past leaders since 1980. I have said it before that it is because we now have a larger percentage of the population exposed to power supply that is why it has become an issue, uptill 1999 my hometown in Edo state did not have electricity. If truly what is said about the power generation been 1500MW when Obj took over, then the PDP has tried in bringing it up to 3800MW despite the amount of corruption in their system. A commentator criticised Jonathan on paying only terrorists from his side of the country allowances and not other terrorist, but I am sure that person forgot that it was Yaradua a man from the same state as Buhari who acknowledged that the Niger Delta militants were justified in their agitation and that was why he granted them amnesty, forgiving them for all the nations soldiers they have killed in the past and openly asked for their forgiveness of their people that have been killed in the crisis, this is also what Obj from the same party and a southerner failed to do in his 8yrs while he was levelling communities in the Niger Delta, dont forget that the same Yaradua was the man who gave the command to shoot at sight at the Boko haram militia and even the extra njudicial killing of the leader had implicitly been given by Yaradua, this is a man of striong conviction. If anyone still believes that corruption is our single biggest challenge, that person should realise that the day you attempt to solve corrption by force in a democracy like ours you may as well say good bye to the nation called nigeria becase I have looked at it critically and concluded that as at today corruption is the thread that holds our country together as one, remove corruption and give me one good reason why we should exploit oil in the Nigerdelta and build roads in the North west? |
Re: Buhari's Past Sins, Ribadu's Past Sins, Jonathan's Past Sins by Demdem(m): 12:12pm On Apr 03, 2011 |
marvix: I respect ur opinion but i viciously disagree with you. Corruption does more evil than good (if at all there is any) to us as a nation and should be eradicated to the barest minimum. |
Re: Buhari's Past Sins, Ribadu's Past Sins, Jonathan's Past Sins by EvilBrain1(m): 12:20pm On Apr 03, 2011 |
agabaI23: You clearly didn't read my post properly so I'm going to repeat myself. The PDP needs to lose massively to establish the principle that if the leaders mess things up for the people, the people will vote them out. This is the basic principle underpinning all modern democracies. The leaders have to be taught to fear the wrath of the people. How will they ever learn if we keep rewarding them for stealing our commonwealth? If Buhari messes up, he'll be easy to get rid of in 2015. Eventually a good leader will arise from somewhere. recoome: You've just described the Ibo people as a bunch of blind tribalists who are easily conned by cheap political tricks. So the PDP can lie, steal and rig all they want but because they helped Ojukwu (or rather, made is wife a special adviser), the Ibos will vote for them en masse? I think you should give our brothers in the east a little more credit than that. They are not as silly as you think. For your information, I know plenty of Ibo people who are voting against GEJ. If I was an Ibo man, I would have been deeply offended by what you what you just said. You should apologize. |
Re: Buhari's Past Sins, Ribadu's Past Sins, Jonathan's Past Sins by marvix(m): 12:28pm On Apr 03, 2011 |
Demdem I agree with u, but u wld agree that corruption has to be dealt with systematically, because as it is now corruption is systematically entrenched in the system. Buharis style and Ribadus style of fighting corruption may only plunge us into a deeper mess, I prefer the Jonathan way of fighting corruption allow the agencies fight corruption allow more information and allow the issues come 2 public domain. Justice always grinds slowly but surely, so we must mitigate new corrupt acts by placing checks that will make it impossible to get away with a corrupt act and maybe legalise some acts that are corrupt 2day so we can all benefit from them. |
Re: Buhari's Past Sins, Ribadu's Past Sins, Jonathan's Past Sins by logica(m): 12:50pm On Apr 03, 2011 |
LOL. Talk about history revisionism. So if power was not a problem in the 80s, which country was Fela singing about then? |
Re: Buhari's Past Sins, Ribadu's Past Sins, Jonathan's Past Sins by EvilBrain1(m): 12:53pm On Apr 03, 2011 |
marvix: Marvix, will you please tell us which of the federal agencies have been fighting corruption under Jonathan? As far as I can tell Waziri's EFCC has been doing more of ambulance chasing and window dressing than anything else. Cecilia Ibru's 6 month hotel/hospital sentence for stealing over a billion dollars (not naira!) is the best you can boast of. GEJ and his former oga, Yar'Adua have effectively legalized corruption in Nigeria. Its time for them to go. |
Re: Buhari's Past Sins, Ribadu's Past Sins, Jonathan's Past Sins by Demdem(m): 12:59pm On Apr 03, 2011 |
marvix: but they are not even doing it. no results so far. Remember what transpired before the ICPC acting chairman was booted? if GEJ is surely doing what you claim up there, i will have no qualms with him as far as corruption is concerned. only God knows what farida is doing, she has been quiet for some months now. infact there are words out there that he is working behind the scene to bring back ibori. that will be catasrophic if it comes to past. these agencies arent doig what they are expected to do yet they add to the recurrent expenditure of this govt. however Buhari/ribadu style of fighting may not be best but i dont see how it will plunge us into deeper mess? can you expantiate on this. To the best of my knowledge, these guys promised that they will lead by example among other things. |
Re: Buhari's Past Sins, Ribadu's Past Sins, Jonathan's Past Sins by Demdem(m): 1:01pm On Apr 03, 2011 |
i cant belive I and Evil brain are on the same page here |
Re: Buhari's Past Sins, Ribadu's Past Sins, Jonathan's Past Sins by EvilBrain1(m): 1:05pm On Apr 03, 2011 |
Demdem: See wetin PDP dey cause o!!! |
Re: Buhari's Past Sins, Ribadu's Past Sins, Jonathan's Past Sins by Nobody: 1:38pm On Apr 03, 2011 |
onye_ngbu*: Buhari who many claim is not corrupt has also accepted all the so called criminals in PDP be his financier and make 90% of CPC current membership.Dictator Buhari is nothing but an hypocrites!!! |
Re: Buhari's Past Sins, Ribadu's Past Sins, Jonathan's Past Sins by Kobojunkie: 2:14pm On Apr 03, 2011 |
logica: It seems people are dense or just trying really really hard at it . . . . back in the early 80's(82-83) a) consumption in the rural areas was still relatively low . . . . If anything, back in the 80's many people only needed elecricity to power light bulbs and radios. Most no house in my village had a tv or even a refridgerator b) Consumption in the urban areas was also low compared to what you have today c) Many in the rural area had also not been connected to the grid -- and we are not talking of a situation where they once were and suddenly were taken off. We are talking of areas where they had not had electricity before Electricity issue was still on the back burner during the early 80s in Nigeria. . . Yes, the government was working on building and getting plants online BUT the power issue was NOT, I REPEAT, was NOT a pressing issue in the early 80s. There were no blackouts as you now have today and there are so many reasons for that . . . . lower consumption rates back then, and better investments in the start into NEPA than later on and into the 90's. In 1982/83 there was a global recession. The Economy and corruption that were viewed as hindering factors to growth. The papers was filled with stories of the economic woes and blunders of the Shagari regime, and appointments were ridiculed. Power supply rarely made the papers. I remember when Jebba, and then Egbin went online in 1983, Ikorodu was treated like the latest town on the map because of Egbin. There were celebrations for a couple of days and the papers went back to attacking the politicians. If anyone, I say again, anyone has information to show that it was as big an issue as it is today,all you really have to do is show it . . . . no need to continue to insult yourselves thinking you insult another for stating what was back in the 80s. I lived those years myself --- I had a home in a rural zone and in the city. |
Re: Buhari's Past Sins, Ribadu's Past Sins, Jonathan's Past Sins by Nobody: 2:20pm On Apr 03, 2011 |
The Dictator Buhari is an Animal in human skin - FELA |
Re: Buhari's Past Sins, Ribadu's Past Sins, Jonathan's Past Sins by Kobojunkie: 2:22pm On Apr 03, 2011 |
@okunoba, I have not said now that people cannot post stories of their own version of history here. You are allowed to do just that. But at the end of the day . . . it is all still HEARSAY which I continue to stated I DON'T WANT ANY OF EITHER . . . . Anyone can come in here to make anything up. I have nowhere in any of my statements said anything of this being about Buhari . . . nowhere. So there is no need to pretend because I do not have your angle to this means I am doing it out of support for Buhari . . . From my last post, would you also pretend now that I support Shagari? I myself lived through the same period you speak of and I am telling you from knowlegde I gained from living in the time, and also reading the papers, that light outs during the 80's cannot be compared to what followed later on during the IBB years of neglect, up to this day. Again, IF YOU have evidence for your claim present it, else don't expect me to BUY your angle over mine. It is really that simple!!! Again, all you need do is SHOW by posting a link, paper from the time that supports your claim, official letter from NEPA,anything legit to show your angle of this is more credible . . . |
Re: Buhari's Past Sins, Ribadu's Past Sins, Jonathan's Past Sins by efisher(m): 2:23pm On Apr 03, 2011 |
Hydroelectric power furnished about 14 percent of the energy consumed by Nigerians in the 1980s. Total energy used in the form of electricity was considerably larger, however, because much of the energy provided by petroleum products and gas was converted into electricity. In 1990 most electricity was supplied by NEPA. This agency had been established in 1972 as a semiautonomous government activity through the merger of the Electric Corporation of Nigeria (ECN--created by the government in 1950 to generate and transmit power nationally) and the Niger Dam Authority (NDA--set up in 1962 to develop the economic potential of the Niger River). As part of its mandate, the NDA had constructed the Kainji Dam and an associated hydroelectric plant, which began operations in 1968. Until the late 1970s, the plant was the principal source of Nigeria's electrical power. The demand for power grew at an average annual rate estimated at 15 to 20 percent after the start of the 1973-74 oil boom. NEPA's total generating plant, having an installed capacity of 881 megawatts in FY 1976--almost half of which was located at the Kainji hydroelectric plant--was unable to meet the rapidly growing requirement. By FY 1978 an additional 250 megawatts had been installed, of which 200 megawatts were at Kainji, but a drought in 1977 and 1978 significantly lowered the level of Kainji Reservoir and thus reduced the plant's output. [size=14pt]During the drought, blackouts were frequent, verging on the catastrophic for major industrial establishments. Goods in the process of assembly had to be destroyed, and interruptions in machine operations substantially reduced productivity[/size]. The situation improved in the 1980s, with two 120-megawatt units added to the Kainji hydroelectric station, ten units of 120 megawatts each installed in Sapele, new hydroelectric stations built at Shiroro on the Kaduna River and Jebba downstream from Kainji Reservoir, and another 200 megawatts added at various smaller plants. (None of these was started / commissioned by Buhari: http://www.cbcglobal.org/CBCG_Library/OVERVEIW_OF_NIGERIAN_ELECTRIC_POWER_SECTOR.pdf) Power was distributed through a national grid that linked many of the large towns, some of which had been previously served by local diesel power stations. Yet the power sector, lacking spare parts, had neglected maintenance to the point that generating capacity was rapidly declining. |
Re: Buhari's Past Sins, Ribadu's Past Sins, Jonathan's Past Sins by agabaI23(m): 2:24pm On Apr 03, 2011 |
Evil Brain: You are right on the highlighted and I do not contest a good argument like the BB people who cannot accept that Buhari goes to toilet. However in this case, you cannot visit the sins of the father on the offspring. GEJ is toeing a different part with rogues around him just like we have the same rogues who ran things at one time or the other making up to at least 75% of the people in CPC. He has ideas and clear road maps which will surely change the status quo. The same cannot be said of Buhari and you and I know that Buhari's selling point is his questionable 'straightforwardness' which has been applied to his party by association and very erroneous applied to his party members by extension. |
Re: Buhari's Past Sins, Ribadu's Past Sins, Jonathan's Past Sins by Kobojunkie: 2:25pm On Apr 03, 2011 |
The situation improved in the 1980s, with two 120-megawatt units added to the Kainji hydroelectric station, ten units of 120 megawatts each installed in Sapele, new hydroelectric stations built at Shiroro on the Kaduna River and Jebba downstream from Kainji Reservoir, and another 200 megawatts added at various smaller plants. (http://www.cbcglobal.org/CBCG_Library/OVERVEIW_OF_NIGERIAN_ELECTRIC_POWER_SECTOR.pdf) |
Re: Buhari's Past Sins, Ribadu's Past Sins, Jonathan's Past Sins by efisher(m): 2:30pm On Apr 03, 2011 |
^^ You forgot to add: [size=16pt]During the IBB Regime!!![/size] IBB completed the Jebba and Shiroro dams. The retrofitting of kainji dam to increase its capacity for electricity generation was carried out by IBB. IBB constructed the challawa gorge dam. IBB completed and commissioned the Egbin thermal plant. The only thing Buhari did was to oppress civilians with his |
Re: Buhari's Past Sins, Ribadu's Past Sins, Jonathan's Past Sins by agabaI23(m): 2:35pm On Apr 03, 2011 |
^ None was started by Buhari |
Re: Buhari's Past Sins, Ribadu's Past Sins, Jonathan's Past Sins by efisher(m): 2:36pm On Apr 03, 2011 |
She carefully deleted that part from the quote. I knew she was going to try taking advantage of it. BUSTED |
Re: Buhari's Past Sins, Ribadu's Past Sins, Jonathan's Past Sins by efisher(m): 2:40pm On Apr 03, 2011 |
That post was a response to this blab: Kobojunkie: The point there is that blackouts were frequent and had catastrophic effects on the economy. It was a huge issue as far back as the 80's. No need to move the goalpost! |
Re: Buhari's Past Sins, Ribadu's Past Sins, Jonathan's Past Sins by userlist(f): 2:58pm On Apr 03, 2011 |
Why do you people come here and try to distort history. Well this is what I experienced about electricity in the 80s. I grew up in Benin city and during that time we use have power interruption once every 3 or 4 months. But NEPA will announce on radio and TV that there is going to be blackout and they will let you know when you should expect it back. |
Re: Buhari's Past Sins, Ribadu's Past Sins, Jonathan's Past Sins by scopusng(m): 3:01pm On Apr 03, 2011 |
Beaf, You have a daft brain. May u rot in hell. mugu |
Re: Buhari's Past Sins, Ribadu's Past Sins, Jonathan's Past Sins by Kobojunkie: 3:01pm On Apr 03, 2011 |
Yes, twist my words to make it say what it is not and then tell me yet again, with NO EVIDENCE, that power was a problem in the early 80's . . . GENIUS you are! And I bet you believe you are the first to try that! WOOHOO!! IBB did what?
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Re: Buhari's Past Sins, Ribadu's Past Sins, Jonathan's Past Sins by scopusng(m): 3:05pm On Apr 03, 2011 |
Hydroelectric power furnished about 14 percent of the energy consumed by Nigerians in the 1980s. Total energy used in the form of electricity was considerably larger, however, because much of the energy provided by petroleum products and gas was converted into electricity. In 1990 most electricity was supplied by NEPA. This agency had been established in 1972 as a semiautonomous government activity through the merger of the Electric Corporation of Nigeria (ECN--created by the government in 1950 to generate and transmit power nationally) and the Niger Dam Authority (NDA--set up in 1962 to develop the economic potential of the Niger River). As part of its mandate, the NDA had constructed the Kainji Dam and an associated hydroelectric plant, which began operations in 1968. Until the late 1970s, the plant was the principal source of Nigeria's electrical power. The demand for power grew at an average annual rate estimated at 15 to 20 percent after the start of the 1973-74 oil boom. NEPA's total generating plant, having an installed capacity of 881 megawatts in FY 1976--almost half of which was located at the Kainji hydroelectric plant--was unable to meet the rapidly growing requirement. By FY 1978 an additional 250 megawatts had been installed, of which 200 megawatts were at Kainji, but a drought in 1977 and 1978 significantly lowered the level of Kainji Reservoir and thus reduced the plant's output. During the drought, blackouts were frequent, verging on the catastrophic for major industrial establishments. Goods in the process of assembly had to be destroyed, and interruptions in machine operations substantially reduced productivity. The situation improved in the 1980s, with two 120-megawatt units added to the Kainji hydroelectric station, ten units of 120 megawatts each installed in Sapele, new hydroelectric stations built at Shiroro on the Kaduna River and Jebba downstream from Kainji Reservoir, and another 200 megawatts added at various smaller plants. Power was distributed through a national grid that linked many of the large towns, some of which had been previously served by local diesel power stations. Yet the power sector, lacking spare parts, had neglected maintenance to the point that generating capacity was rapidly declining. http://www.photius.com/countries/nigeria/economy/nigeria_economy_electric_power.html |
Re: Buhari's Past Sins, Ribadu's Past Sins, Jonathan's Past Sins by aletheia(m): 3:06pm On Apr 03, 2011 |
efisher: ^She's plainly dishonest. She's been altering her posts on this thread to cover her goofing. |
Re: Buhari's Past Sins, Ribadu's Past Sins, Jonathan's Past Sins by Pataki: 3:07pm On Apr 03, 2011 |
I wonder how many of these pro-GEJ were born in the 80s to know how power generation was not a problem. Never in the history of Nigeria have we had a President who is this utterly clueless and totally bereft of leadership administration. Now that is a FACT! |
Re: Buhari's Past Sins, Ribadu's Past Sins, Jonathan's Past Sins by efisher(m): 3:09pm On Apr 03, 2011 |
Pro or Pre GEJ is not the issue here. The challenge was simple: PROVE THAT POWER WAS AN ISSUE IN THE 80's. The response was simple and clear. 100% PROVEN THAT IT WAS! We have even gone a step further to show that IBB was even more serious than that joker. IBB did not need up to a year before he commissioned Jebba. Check the facts. |
Re: Buhari's Past Sins, Ribadu's Past Sins, Jonathan's Past Sins by Kobojunkie: 3:11pm On Apr 03, 2011 |
ROFLMAO!!! Oh yes . . . it has been proven, even when document after document, posted so far, do not show that to have been the case!!! http://www.unido.org/fileadmin/import/52413_Mr._Ismaila_Haliru_Zarma.pdf efisher: But you have made NO POINT . . . . you are still doing the same old . . picking around for substance with no end in sight. All through much of the 80's, already existing power plans were being implemented. All the Governments essentially needed to do was continue funding the projects till completion. Again, where the evidence you have to show that power was an economic issue, as you claim, in the early 80's? All you have done is show that there were power projects running through the period but none of that supports your claim even to this point. efisher: By the way . . . IBB did not build those plants . . . the plans were already in place, I believe since the 70's . . . all the government needed was to adequately fund the constructions. I mean think . . none of these dams were built in 2 minutes . . we are talking years of construction here. At least about 3 for each . . . use your head a bit more in this. Anyways, Jebba was online by 1983-1984, Egbin came online around the same period as Jebba -- shiroro was completed in the late 80's and came online 1989 – 1990. http://www.cce.si/skupno/pdf/reference_2004.pdf http://www.dawodu.com/aluko105.htm http://www.unido.org/fileadmin/import/52413_Mr._Ismaila_Haliru_Zarma.pdf |
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