@ Desola
[b]You have submitted compelling arguments indeed, though, I must admit that I was begining to give in to sentiments due to the reported killings of some Corps members. However, after analysing your arguments, I couldn't agree more that a good number of us have fallen for the genocide propaganda from some "southerners", whom we know have always cried foul in the face of everything. They see this as a ruse to accomplish their previous failed attempt at secession. Everywhere you look, it is always the mention of an Igbo name. Are they the only ones being killed? If indeed there is an ongoing genocide, how come they have only been able to produce just a handful of names? It is always them against the world. Yes, there has been reports of some Yorubas been killed but we don't hear the noise about that.

It is just not plausible to think that these Northeners haven't suffered casualties themselves! And this nonsense about southerners being more educated is just balderdash! And even if that were so, education does not equate common sense, intelligence or wisdom! With all the southerners claim of better education, 'gadogado' has floored you all when it comes to articulating his views and been coherent. You all just need to get off your high horses! Northerners are ill educated yet we have Sanusi Lamido gracing TIMES. How many of your well learned sout[/b]

You always come off as a deranged bigot? The OP is talking about southerners and you took it  to the next next of having beef with those that died. Maybe you have never really been caught up in a deadly crisis situation . Since you are mad because nobody from your family died, next  time it's going to be their turn.

sorry to point out that not all who are appalled by this senseless killing hate the north. i spent my formative years in the north, i have friends who qualifies as brothers in the north.
if the reason for the killing is because the south and the christian rejected an honest Buhari to an unknown GEJ, then it holds that an honest muderer is more valued in the north.
well in the south we abhor killing, and are detached from emotion when it comes to politics; the north voted Obasanjo into power in 1999 when south voted against him, we never saw him as a messiah, during his days in aso rock, the south was the opposition.
the reason obasanjo was rejected is linked to his days in uniform. the reason Buhari is rejected is also link to his days in uniform, his unguarded statements, and his view on religion and state.
these fears are confirmed from recent killings, christian from north and south were killed because Buhari lost an election.
what will happen if Buhari had won, and one morning he wakes up and declare sharia in nigeria not minding other faiths, what will happen if the national assembly oppose him.
what if the kind of feud that started between baba iyabo and atiku should rear its head between ayotollah Buhari and pastor Bakare, wont the almajiri go on killing spree because a christian southern vice president had a missunderstanding with an honest northern president.

if you are still wondering why the south did not vote Buhari read this:

Pastor Tunde Bakare’s Disobedience To God
Posted: April 22, 2011 - 00:19
Posted by siteadmin
By Remi Oyeyemi
“Let me tell you the truth by the spirit of God, neither (President Olusegun Obasanjo), OBJ, Atiku (Abubakar), IBB and this tall one, (Muhammadu) Buhari are part of the new. They are part of the old that is decaying. That old one is passing away. The new is emerging and these ones are not part of that new.”

Pastor Tunde Bakare, the Serving Overseer of The Latter Rain Assembly, Lagos and the Vice Presidential Candidate to Retired General Muhamadu Buhari, on the platform of the CPC in 2011 Elections, in the PUNCH of October 2, 2006.

“, Hath the Lord as great delight in burnt offerings and sacrifices, as in obeying the voice of the Lord? Behold, to obey is better than sacrifice, and to hearken than the fat of rams. For rebellion is as the sin of witchcraft and stubbornness is as iniquity and idolatory. Because thou hast rejected the word of the LORD, he hath also rejected thee from being king.”
1 Samuel 15:22-23

If people are going to doubt God, you would think such would be those who have not known God. Or one would think this would be those who have other reasons not to believe in His existence. There are those whose circumstances, like that of Job in the Bible, have forced to ask whether God was on His throne or not. Being human, you could expect those who are close to God to actually doubt God for sundry reasons occasionally. But to go outrightly against God’s instructions in terms of total disobedience, you would not expect one of his prophets, (at least that is what Pastor Tunde Bakare called and probably still calls himself), to do so.

The last person you would expect to disobey God would be the one who claims to hear the voice of God all of the time and try to interpret to the rest of us what God is saying and what He is expecting of and from us. As they have presented themselves to us, they know what God is thinking and what He is wishing. Their closeness to God, has endowed them with some clairvoyance to see the future accurately and warn the rest of us accordingly so as to avoid possible pitfalls. But unfortunately, the HEALER in Pastor Tunde Bakare did not heal himself and he also failed to hearken to his GOD.

To a lot of us who try to ascribe credibility to Pastor Bakare, it has been difficult for us to fathom the rationale for him to accept to run as the Vice Presidential candidate to the retired General Mohamadu Buhari whom, according to him (Bakare), God has revealed that he (Buhari) would never win the presidency of Nigeria again. In a report for PUNCH newspaper by Ademola Oni on October 2, 2006, Pastor Bakare’s vision was detailed as follows:

“The Serving Overseer of The Latter Rain Assembly, Lagos, Pastor Tunde Bakare, on Sunday said the dream of a former military President, Gen. Ibrahim Babangida, to rule the nation in 2007 would fail.
Bakare, who spoke at a special programme of the church titled, ‘If the truth must be told” in Lagos, said the script to install Babangida was already being acted out.

He said, “As it is right now, only God can stop IBB from becoming the president of this nation again. You are likely to disagree but the strategy to bring him back has been perfected and the script is being acted out.
“But there is good news there because God has shown me how to stop him.”
The cleric, who did not tell his audience the strategy to stop the Minna-based General from becoming the president in 2007, added that none of the presidential front runners would make Aso Rock.

Bakare said, “Let me tell you the truth by the spirit of God, neither (President Olusegun Obasanjo), OBJ, Atiku (Abubakar), IBB and this tall one, (Muhammadu) Buhari are part of the new. They are part of the old that is decaying. That old one is passing away. The new is emerging and these ones are not part of that new.’ “ (emphasis mine)

After convincing the rest of us that this is what God has revealed to him he still went ahead and ran on the same ticket with the divinely rejected Mohamadu Buhari on the platform of CPC. For some of us who cherish reasonability, logical explanation of actions and integrity of the supposed “men of God,” Pastor Bakare’s action, to say the least, was and is still confounding. If his revelation was authentic and correct, then he has not only engaged in a perfidious act against God, he has clearly disobeyed God. Like King Saul in the Bible he has disobeyed God and the following in 1 Samuel 15: 22-23 will suffice for him:

“And Samuel said, Hath the Lord as great delight in burnt offerings and sacrifices, as in obeying the voice of the Lord? Behold, to obey is better than sacrifice, and to hearken than the fat of rams.
For rebellion is as the sin of witchcraft and stubbornness is as iniquity and idolatory. Because thou hast rejected the word of the LORD, he hath also rejected thee from being king.”

If the result of this election which installed President Goodluck E. Jonathan (GEJ) is the handiwork of God, then truly to Pastor Bakare, God “hath also rejected thee from being king.”To this end, whatever calamities might come his way, he would have deserved it. But, if God has nothing to do with the victory of GEJ, then it would mean that Pastor Bakare has lied in the name of the Most High and deceived the rest of us with his purported revelation, claiming to see what God did not show him. This would characterize him as an exposed fraudulent, dubious, dishonest and dangerous man that all men and women of goodwill, who cherish integrity and dignity, should stay away from. Either way, Pastor Bakare is a loser both on the spiritual and temporal plains.

This writer is an advocate of using the pulpit to advance the cause of equity and fairness amongst the people as well as responsibility and accountability on the part of the rulership. There is nothing wrong to be politically active as a man of God. It is not a sin and neither is it a crime. But to claim to have had a revelation from God Almighty and then act against such revelation, leaves much to be desired. In this writers view, only untutored followers who have been indoctrinated beyond redemption could still follow a man who, if he is not dishonest and fraudulent, is an anti-Christ in the garb of a prophet. Or how do you explain a prophet acting in a diametrically opposed manner to the words of his God and Lord?
If Pastor Bakare was not propelled by a morbid, obnoxiously inordinate ambition, he would have been more spiritually circumspective in his decision making. How can a man of God, whose mantra include fairness, justice, equity, love, mercy, consideration of others, good neighborliness among others, accept to be on the same political platform with divinely rejected retired General Mohamadu Buhari? What could have been the rationale? For those familiar with the contemporary History of Nigeria, one really has to be conscienceless to choose Buhari as his choice for the presidency of Nigeria. But, thanks goodness, despite the limitations of the last presidential election, the Nigerian electorate was not fooled.
For the avoidance of doubt the following are the legacies of retired General Mohamadu Buhari as the maximum ruler of Nigeria between 1983 and 1985. All of these atrocities are in public domain, but it is important that once again, they are recorded for history, just to show the kind of President Pastor Tunde Bakare, the self acclaimed “Apostle of Jesus Christ by the Will of God(?)” and the Serving Overseer of The Latter Rain Assembly wanted the informed Nigerian electorate to vote for:

1. Buhari’s overthrowing of the National Party of Nigeria (NPN) in 1983 was to checkmate the possible angst against the ruling oligarchy who are of his ethnic stock and keep the rest of Nigeria in bondage

2. To prove that Buhari’s objective was to protect his Hausa/Fulani oligarchy to the detriment of other ethnic nationalities in Nigeria, he dealt with politicians from his part of the country with “glove hands” and gave politicians of other regions “bare knuckles.” The following are examples:

a) He detained President Shehu Shagari in a guest House and remanded Dr. Alex Ekwueme, the Vice President in Kirikiri Maximum Prisons. Yet, they were both the leaders of the NPN led government that has just been overthrown. What offence could have Ekwueme committed that Shagari could not have done worse?

b) Buhari sent his goons to ransack the home of Chief Obafemi Awolowo. This was aimed at insulting the sensibilities of the Yoruba Nation by disrespecting and embarrassing their Hero and Liberator from poverty and want. Chief Awolowo was not a member of the party in power that has just been overthrown, yet he had to be subjected to such unwarranted, politically and ethnically motivated vendetta. Pastor Bakare wanted us to believe that this was the handiwork of “fifth columnists” in Buhari’s regime. If this was so, what stopped Buhari from publicly apologizing to Chief Awolowo on behalf of himself and his regime, especially if Buhari’s intentions were clean?

c) He ordered Pa Adekunle Ajasin, former Governor of the old Ondo State to be retried two times when they could not find anything against him. This meant that the old man was tried three times unfairly. Buhari ordered Pa Ajasin to be detained regardless of the fact that the old man was squeaky clean. His unfair detention impaired the old man’s health and led to early death for him. When this Honorable man died, he has only one old bungalow that he built as a teacher and principal in Owo town, well before he became the governor, to his name.

d) He detained Professor Ambrose Ali of Bendel State in an inhuman condition to the point that the esteemed Professor became blind and died shortly after he was released. When the Professor died, he had only one undeveloped plot of land to his name.

e) His detention of Chief Ayo Ojewumi led to the blindness of the man. Buhari refused to let the man receive medical treatment until he completely went blind. Chief Ojewumi died exactly 28 days after he was released from Buhari’s gulag.


f) Buhari refused to allow Chief Bisi Onabanjo, the governor of Ogun State to have access to medical treatment in detention. He treated the man as a criminal and shortened the life of the esteemed governor.

g) Chief Jim Nwobodo, Chief Bola Ige, Chief Lateef Jakande, Chief Sam Mbakwe and several other southern politicians were given unreasonable sentences ranging from 100 years to 250 years while Governor Awwal Ibrahim of Niger State who was caught in Heathrow Airport in London with 14 million pounds and several millions in dollars and Naira, was detained in guest house.

2. Buhari jailed Fela Anikulapo-Kuti, on trumped up charges, allegedly as an economic saboteur with the legal backing of the Miscellaneous Offences Decree No. 20 of 1984, for having less than 10,000 dollars in his possession on his way out of the country. The judge in the case later apologized and confessed that he was ordered to jail the famous Musician regardless of his innocence. The Buhari junta would later say publicly that it “decided to deal with this Fela problem once and for all.”

3. Buhari instructed his ADC, Major Mustapha Jokolo to smuggle 53 suit cases, allegedly stuffed with foreign currency, through Murtala Mohammed Airport against the protests of General Tunde Idiagbon and Alhaji Abubakar Atiku, who was then Acting Director General of the Customs and later became the Vice President. A case of all animals are equal, but some are more equal than others.

4. The change of color of the nation's currency notes (except the fifty kobo note) in April 1984, allegedly to stop currency trafficking. The exercise rendered almost half of the estimated N6 billion of had earned money of ordinary Nigerians, worthless at the expiration of the change.

5. Buhari enacted Public Officers (Protection Against False Accusation) Decree 4 of 1984 with which he jailed journalists Nduka Irabor and Tunde Thompson for writing the truth. He said publicly that it did not matter if any of the journalists wrote the TRUTH, as long as he and his junta did not like it, the writers would go to jail. This casted Buhari as someone who never cares about the truth and a vindictive person.

6. He cancelled the METROLINE PROJECT that Governor Lateef Jakande embarked upon as a vendetta against the Yoruba people. He chose rather to pay a fine of $60 million rather than guarantee $100million needed for the completion of the project. Soon after, he procured several Airplanes for the Nigeria Airways costing several millions.

7. He put in place a retroactive law with which he murdered three innocent men: Lawal Ojuolape (30), Bernard Ogedengbe (29) and Bartholomew Owoh (26), by public execution. Buhari did not allow them to go through the judicial system. He never respected the laws of the land. Article 11.2 of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights reads: "No one shall be held guilty of any penal offence on account of any act or omission WHICH DID NOT CONSTITUTE A PENAL OFFENCE, under national or international law at the time when it was committed. NOR SHALL A HEAVIER PUNISHMENT BE IMPOSED THAN THE ONE THAT WAS APPLICABLE AT THE TIME THE PENAL OFFENCE WAS COMMITTED. Buhari left untouched an alleged well known drug baron in Ibrahim Babangida who later overthrew his government.

8. Buhari is the first Nigerian to be involved in stolen fund to the tune of billions. $2.8billion dollars of our money disappeared from NNPC under Buhari, when he was the Minister of Petroleum. Pastor Bakare called this “poppycock.”

9. He convinced all the northern political leaders against allowing the National Identity Card program because according to him, this would unravel the myth of Northern population majority.

10. He is an Islamic fundamentalist, the Bin Laden of Nigeria, who told his northern followers never to vote for anyone who was not a muslim.

11. He is a coup plotter.

12. He has never been able to account to Nigerians what he did with the 20 billion Naira of the Petroleum Trust Fund of which he was the chairman under Sani Abacha.

13. He was in full support of all the atrocities of Sani Abacha against the Nigerian people. There is no single record of his criticism of Sani Abacha during those dark days when Nigeria was on precipice. It shows that he is a patriot of convenience and as such not fit to lead the country. He was later to say publicly, on the tenth anniversary of Sani Abacha’s death that Sani Abacha never stole anything from Nigeria.

14. The Human Rights Violation and Investigation Commission (HRVIC) headed by Honorable Justice Chukwudifu Oputa an eminent jurist, was insulted and disrespected by Buhari who refused to appear before it. His message to Nigerians is that he (Buhari) is above the law and could not be held accountable.

15. He made Nigerians to go through the agony of having to scavenge and scamper for what was described as “essential commodities” such as milk, sugar and other diary products, thus creating emergency wealth for those who were very connected with his government.

The above list of Buhari’s atrocities is not exhaustive by any means. The atrocities are just pointed out to show how ungodly a supposedly man of God like Pastor Tunde Bakare could be. He tried in several interviews to justify these crimes in public domain to the point that he was comparing Chief Bola Ige, Professor Ambrose Ali, Chief Olabisi Onabanjo, Pa Adekunle Ajasin, Dr. Alex Ekwueme, Alhaji Lateef Jakande, Chief Jim Nwobodo, Chief Ayo Ojewumi, Chief Sam Mbakwe, Chief Odumegwu Ojukwu to NAZIs. Pastor Bakare did this by comparing their trials by Buhari to Nuremberg Trials. How low could a man of God go to commit sins?

Pastor Bakare, did not just disobeyed God, he offended God. His audacious justification of the unfair trials of the personalities mentioned above is an act of perfidy against the rule of law. Pastor Bakare trivialized the agonies of his own Yoruba people and that of other Nigerians, as he traded obvious historical facts for odious sophistry on the opprobrious altar of a noxious ambition. He deodorized the persecution of his own people in the hands of a neo-colonial sadist by the name Mohamadu Buhari as he engaged in obnoxious inanities. He sold his spiritual birthright for a swoop of poisonous political porridge.

By now, it should be clear to all that because Pastor Bakare “hast rejected the word of the LORD,” God “hath also rejected” him “from being king.” It is a tragedy that this is what has become of the self acclaimed “Apostle of Jesus Christ by the Will of God(?)” and the Serving Overseer of The Latter Rain Assembly

You always come off as a deranged bigot? The OP is talking about southerners and you took it to the next next of having beef with those that died. Maybe you have never really been caught up in a deadly crisis situation . Since you are mad because nobody from your family died, next time it's going to be their turn.

If non of your family members are yet to die in this unrest, then I wish you and all your kins wailing and deep sadness. Every shoe that is taken off at your doorstep shall be ones of those attending to mourn your kinfolk. You shall know no peace from today henceforth and sadness and deep sorrow shall be your portion. Oloshi akidanidani, oku lasan, lasan. E ma foju sukun gbogbo awon ebi e! Eleri ibu!

EzeUche__:

Stop using a term you know nothing about.

No Igbo feels inferior to anyone. Why do you think every Igbo man thinks of himself as a king? No king feels inferior to a common peasant.

The fact remains that Igbos need to stop thinking of themselves as superior to each other and other groups.

I have never met an Igbo who though he was inferior to anyone. Most Igbos think they can do anything better than the rest.

To be frank, many Igbos have a[b] SUPERIORITY COMPLEX.[/b] Which means an exaggerated feeling of being superior to others. That is something I will admit.

Igbos see Hausa as backwards beast of burden and Yoruba. . . I wont say.

Now stop with your absurd psychoanalysis, because it makes you look like a DUMB ARSE.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Superiority_complex

You just never tire of making an i.diot out of urself.

jerseyboy:

THE NORTH IS FINISHED

After 50 years of direct or indirect control of the Nigerian State, the North finally has lost it forever. It will never get it back.

The only way Nigeria remains one from here on is for a southerner of middle belter to rule. Yaradua is the last northern ruler you will know in your lifetime.

The first time you could tell there was trouble for the north was when they BEGGED for zoning. How the 'mighty' fall.

The advantage from military rule and civil war has finally worn off. The post civil war southern generation have no fear in them.

No more allies for the north. Not in the S/E they have always relied on for political alliance . Not in the middle belt they have tried to dominate and suppress . Not in the S/S that they stole from. Not in the S/W that sees them as vastly inferior beasts.

Nobody fears the north any more. Northern Christians and minorities are retuning fire for fire, blood for blood. A subdued northern Nigeria is a laughing stock. The Emperor has no cloths.

RIPieces Northern Hegemony

Abagworo:

What I don't like about some contributors is that their strategy is aimed at polarizing the country.They are interested in the President's ethnic group and not his performance.

Bombs went off in Maiduguri and everyone killed were Northerners.From the logic being presented by some posts here,if 2 or 3 southerners were somehow caught in the bombings,they would have termed it attack on the Igbos.

The whole issue is the fault of PDP and our ruling class who rather than presenting us with reasons to vote Jonathan were employing such terms as "they've ruled for 38 years","Buhari is an extremist","Jonathan is Igbo".

That was the reason for polarization of the election.Buhari's campaign was purely based on his record as a disciplinarian,honest man and change.They never for once mentioned North/South,Rotation or Religion.

The consequences of polarization coupled with rigging is that an illegitimate government has been produced and therefore will not be in control of the country.Every little misunderstanding will always be viewed from a tribal angle.

Shame on Nigerians for falling to this bait.

1025:

@jason123 and gadogado,
i like intelligent discussions with objective and that is exactly what i saw going on between the two of u. permit me to intrude here. i am from imo state so i am a typical igboman. the major problem with us nigerians is the idea of shifting the posts whenever we want to score goal to suit our purposes.
democracy is the govt of the ppl by the ppl and for the ppl. when we talk rotational presidency, this is not a northern ppl's issue rather a national issue and i tell u, this idea of a rotational presidency was to make sure the northerners did not hold on to power for ever. the igbos have no population to win the presidency and the word marginalization came from us. if u talk unity and progress when one side of the country continues rulling, u will at a point know it is not true hence everybody wants to rule.
the northerners are not the problem rather the southerners. we create and bend these laws to suit our purposes. we originated the following words to seek sympathy; born to rule - this is what we call the northerners, marginalization - this is what we say of ourselves, zoning - this is when we wantedthe presidency by all means.
my brother, the first military coup in nigeria was by the igbos but the hausas stepped in and enjoyed the most of it and we began to complain. we called for this zoning issue which they acceptedin good faith now what is happening? if we condem this zoning because we want jonathan, what is the gaurranttee that we will not complain tomorrow when the power goes back to them?
obasanjo in his criminalities wanted a third term and under normal circumstances, such a criminal will die politically with his third term agenda but what do we have here? same criminal turned to be the decission maker and invissible hands in aso rock,
the northerners to me have not been acting rather they react. why will u deny them of their rights since they are also nigerians? it is annoying especially when it is an individual doing.
the big question here is, where are the igbos in the picture? ogbulafor and nwodo both of whom were the pdp chairmen saw the truth and were shown the door. jonathan had to become ebele and azikiwe to make the northerners feel happy killing the igbos.
the death of these innocent igbo traders residing in the north calls for vengance because we have been turned into victims in all aspects of this country. we benefit nothing from the politics of nigeria yet we can't have the deserved peace to do the little trading business of ours.
some will say arrest buhari, how can u arrest buhari when jonathan and all his security agents cannot arrest containers bringing in weapons into this country?
my sincere opinion here is that we the southerners shld sit back and think very well what we want so that when we make a statement, we will stand on it.

Very intelligent points!

Simple question for gadodo - HOW WILL A NORTHERN PRESIDENT BENEFIT YOU & OTHER MUSLIM NORTHERNERS PERSONALLY ?

I think most Nigerians are tired of all these rotation nonesense. Give us light,water,healthcare etc. Stop this rubbish !!

adconline:

Are u saying that Buhari could have won in the south? The election was not perfect, but it could not have changed the outcome. Buhari and co thought that they were going to win without southern and middle belt votes. He was wrong. Yes, 2011 election was much better than 2007 election that ushered in Yar'dua- a northerner and there was no riot. PDP openly rigged for Yar'dua and he contested against the same Buhari - the only "honest" politician ever created by God and northerners didn't feel short changed. This year, northerners feel that southerners voted for a wrong candidate -JEG, while southerners feel that northerners voted for a wrong candidate. This is a democracy, sometimes, 12 fools outnumber 9 wise men!

The only thing that southerners dont understand is the thirst for southerners' blood when northerners dont like what has been served on their plate by fellow northerners! What do churches and PDP have in common?

By the requirements of the constitution, he need not win in the South. He simply had to do 1 of two things below:
1. Get majority of the votes.
2. Get enough votes in certain states across the nation to ensure the main leader does not get 25% in enough states.

The PDP rigging machinery was only deployed in the North to ensure PDP got the 25% votes requirements. Those votes were either stuffed or allocated.

karl max:

@abagworo and other sore losers!!! Here is an eye withness report of a corpper that conducted election in the north

*Jones was invited by Aik to his own lodge so they spent their friday together. On the day of the election, they all went to their polling booths. *Jones said the people coming for acreditation in his own booth were children between the ages 10-14yrs. He wanted to object, but he was threatened. When it the time for voting came, another set of children came.this time,they were as little as 6yrs. He allowed them to vote also and then gave them the remaining ballot paper. When it was time to write the results on the sheets,they told him the figure they wanted him to write. They even told him to write the figure on the other sheets he was supposed to write on only when he got to the local govt. They followed him to the local govt to submit the result so he doesnt report or do anything. On his way back,he met Aik going to submit his & he was followd by multitude of people. He asked Aik why he was been followed & Aik said he didnt agree to do all they wanted.

If this is accepted to be the widespread rigging of CPC in the North, then pray tell me, where and how did PDP get the 25%, 30% and 35% votes in the states of the North. Compare it to the results in the SS and SE, which one indicated the rigging?

Mallam GadoGado. Just look at the fine bobo your kinsmen slaughtered below and justify it one more time.



Obinna Okpokiri

hymen:

Simple question for gadodo - HOW WILL A NORTHERN PRESIDENT BENEFIT YOU & OTHER MUSLIM NORTHERNERS PERSONALLY ?

I think most Nigerians are tired of all these rotation nonesense. Give us light,water,healthcare etc. Stop this rubbish !!

And how will a Southern President benefit you & your Christian southerners personally??

The main question however is, how has the governors who have been from the SS benefitted the region in the past 12 years? Alams & GEJ governed Bayelsa for 8 years and in those years + the 4 years of Silva, what has been the result?

Until Amaechi came on board in Rivers, what had been the benefits? Did they give you water, light or roads? Lagos has more land mass that Bayelsa but receives about 1/4 of what Bayelsa receives monthly, yet Lagos has tarred more roads in the past 4 years than the entire road network in Bayelsa. More schools were renovated in Lagos than the entire number of schools in Bayelsa.

The above is to let you know, that outside of the national things mainly Power (energy), most of the developments is driven by the Governors. And those are the ones we need to learn to ensure they are accountable.

BTW, if we keep saying zoning is bad, how come in each state or senatorial district across Nigeria, zoning is still a factor in selecting candidates?

Akainzo:

And how will a Southern President benefit you & your Christian southerners personally??

The main question however is, how has the governors who have been from the SS benefitted the region in the past 12 years? Alams & GEJ governed Bayelsa for 8 years and in those years + the 4 years of Silva, what has been the result?

Until Amaechi came on board in Rivers, what had been the benefits? Did they give you water, light or roads? Lagos has more land mass that Bayelsa but receives about 1/4 of what Bayelsa receives monthly, yet Lagos has tarred more roads in the past 4 years than the entire road network in Bayelsa. More schools were renovated in Lagos than the entire number of schools in Bayelsa.

The above is to let you know, that outside of the national things mainly Power (energy), most of the developments is driven by the Governors. And those are the ones we need to learn to ensure they are accountable.

BTW, if we keep saying zoning is bad, how come in each state or senatorial district across Nigeria, zoning is still a factor in selecting candidates?

Nobody's saying zoning is 'bad'. The fact is that we have a structural problem in Nigeria.

Lack of genuine federalism
Corrupt monthly allocation system from FG
Week or inept institutions e.g judiciary,police,intelligence etc.
Poor infrastructure

I'd rather Nigerians(north & south) focus on these rather than who becomes president or where he comes from.

Like someone pointed out,why didn't people riot when Yar'Adua rigged Buhari out in 2007 ?

No one section of Nigerioa has a monopoly of violence & people should learn to respect the sanctity of life.

Is the burnt & vandalised CAC church part of PDP ? Or the women & children killed in Kaduna ?

So trying to justify murder,is just like the armed robber using poverty as justification for stealing.

Let the mullah & Imams make it clear that no one has the right to take another person's life FOR ANY REASON WHATSOEVER or we'll have another pakistan on our hands.

@hymen.You are just recycling the same off topic issues.Buhari was not a product of rotation and has always been against it.That was why he contested against a Southerner(Obj) in 2003 and again in 2011.

As for the violence,I would have done worse if I had the ability.People believed so much in this years election and sacrificed time and money with all hope that their votes would count this time around only for a false result to be announced and opposition party agents shut out from collation centers.The results from the polling units were made useless and fabricated ones were used instead.

Abagworo:

@hymen.You are just recycling the same off topic issues.Buhari was not a product of rotation and has always been against it.That was why he contested against a Southerner(Obj) in 2003 and again in 2011.

As for the violence,I would have done worse if I had the ability.People believed so much in this years election and sacrificed time and money with all hope that their votes would count this time around only for a false result to be announced and opposition party agents shut out from collation centers.The results from the polling units were made useless and fabricated ones were used instead.

I guess the highlighted explains the typical mentality of a suicide bomber.

He would 'have done worse' because an election was allegedly rigged. I wonder what you would do if someone r.aped your mother - Oloriburuku.

Killing anyone can never solve rigging rather the people in the south (who ought to really wake up by now) will retaliate &  finish abi na pinish  all the mai suya ,mai nama ,mai doya  & mai guard in Lagos & other southern cities  & on it goes.

Ask rwanda- killing people should not be an option = this in 2011 not 600 AD MAkkah  duh !

@bamosagie , Thanks for posting the article. Now more than ever I am convinced Nigerians did the right thing rejecting those b@stards.

I really hoped Buhari would win ,due to the horrible record of the PDP,however reading the posts of gadogado & his ilk has left me thanking God he did not get there.

The typical Nigerian mentality is that 'I must win or else it was rigged'

Why would you submit yourself to a process & then condemn the process w/out due recourse to the law?

The fact that Buhari took so long in condeming the dastardly act of his supporters left me wondering what kind of person he really is.

No election or position is worth the blood of any Nigerian talk less of innocent NYSC members.

Even if more northerners were killed according to gado,does that justify killing them.

I know gadogado is in the US,I do hope the FBI are reviewing his posts & creating a psychological profile of a terrorist in the making.
Its difficult to reason with people like this all they know is bloodshed & the best answer is to give them back in their own coin.

The best question someone has asked is that why were people not killed when Yar'Adua was rigged into power in 2007?

Why burn churches? Why kill NYSC members?

Why the talk about ba kafir (no to unbelievers).

We will overcome these evil satanic blood suckers in Jesus name.

please my dear Gadogado if you really want to contribute positively to this national discourse, kindly apologize to the family of the bereaved and organize a seminar on tolerance for your folks back home, while at it, encouraging the almajiris to embrace western education along with the study of Koran.

@GADOGADO I AM SURE THAT NO SOUTHERNER WITH FIRSTHAND EXPERIENCE WOULD AGREE WITH U ON ANY OF YOUR POINTS
I wanted to point out a few myths that have been redundantly mentioned on NL.I want to point out that this poster is a trained apologist and his apology is aimed to decieve only people that have not lived in the north

1) Northerners have a "born to rule mentality"
   Really? is that why they voted for MKO Abiola overwhelmingly in 1993?

Yes its true, the quran teaches that it is not proper for a muslim to be led by an unbeliever further prove con be seen in any mixed gathering in the north like in universties, market unions etc going down history they never allow other lead and this was one of the major campaign statements by buharis poeple


2) Some will say the reason chief MKO Abiola was voted for by the north is because of him being a muslim! But then when its convenient, someone will turn around and say Hausas don't feel yoruba's are real muslims. Funny how the hypocrisy works.
That is why they kill yoruba muslims during riots even after they have identified themselves and that is why they dont allow them to lead prayers even when the are the most qualified

3) Now concerning Buhari, some accuse the north of retrogressive thinking! Ask any northerner, what was Buhari being called in the north in campaign rallies? He was being called "mai gaskiya" which loosely translates to the "honest" one. Northerners believe that Buhari is incorruptible and is for the common man. He has the record to prove this.Southerners dont believe that and have records to the contrary, pls reserch alittle

4) Therefore, when votes were rigged to favor GEJ, northerners felt the south chose[color tribalism over honestyif it was rigged why wd u say they choose?u choose for yourself then u choose otherrs, hence the killing.

5) Now I condemn the killing of innocent lives. That is totally wrong and the religion of Islam says "If you kill an innocent soul, it is as if you have killed all of humanity" Killing is permitted only in self defense. All this talk of infidels is silly. An infidel in Islam is one who does not believe in the existence of God. Christians and Jews are called "people of the book" those who come from the monotheistic faith tradition of Abraham. Muslims believe in Jesus as a messiah. It therefore follows that Muslims do not believe that Nigerians in the south who are majority Christians are infidelsobious lie. Most northern kids are taught thisBig lie.Islam teaches that all non muslims are not innocent and are of the house of war so the innocent it is refering to is not non muslims,

6) The criminal elements that slaughtered innocent citizens on the basis of religion are wrong and its inexcusable. But lets be clear, these riots were purely political but because Christians voted for GEJ solely because of religion, it gave politics a very religious tint. How do u know who they voted for and why?

7) Buhari is a progressive, we should all know this by nowfallacy, he is not a bigotfallacy, if you have proof, I'm ready to see it and accept itcheck the ratio of projects done regionally when he was incharge of PTF. He is not corrupt and would have made an excellent leader had the south not been bamboozled into believing he is an extremist. It was misleading and your elite[/color] in the south misled you. In the north too, the emirs conspired against Buhari because they know his position.

Cool I don't want to rationalize death but please provide me the statistics of how many southerners died in the violence. Majority of the people that died were Hausa pdp supporters. and pdp big wigs' property and pdp offices were mostly burned down. Christians were killed but a small percentage of the total number of people killed in the riots and a very tiny percentage of the total number of southern Christians living in the north. very very tiny percentage. There are more southerners living in the north than there are northerners living in the south. Igbos run most major markets across the north. So dont assume this is anything other than political.[color=#990000]if to say dem no say make we keep this tread clean i for tell u GOD PUNISH YOU sincerely

oweniwe:


GBAM!!

Gadogaga or what are you called? Answer these questions ASAP

1. Why didn't the north riot in 2007 when PDP rigged the election for Yar Adua?
2. When did churches become PDP campaign offices?
3. How many states in the south nigeria did buhari campaign that made you think southerners voted for him? Ok, he campaigned at sheraton hotel in lagos and presidential hotel in port harcourt. But is it hotel people that will cast the votes he needed to win the election? Even in the states he won, is it hotel peeps that voted for him?
3. Apart from the north, CPC doesn't have any structures in most south south\south east states. In my ward ezionum delta state, CPC didn't have agents. Ribudu's campaign train even came there. But CPC? No poster, no agent, no office, just NOTHING. How could buhari have won the election this way?
4. You are saying only a small number of southerners were killed o. That northerners were affected too. Nonsense. It doesn't matter who is affected. Call a spade a spade. WHAT IS BAD IS BAD 

1. There was unrest in the north when Buhari lost to Yar'adua, not that I expect you to know since the southern dominated media never reported it much. Buhari also appealed to his supporters not to resort to violence and it was obliged. Furthermore, the 2011 election was over hyped and pdp peddled the notion of a free and fair election. Naturally, people bought into that hogwash and the voter turn out was tremendously high compared to 2007 believing thier voted would count only to see that GEJ won 40% of southern votes. An impossibility from whatever angle you look at it. People were generally more emotionally invested in the 2011 elections and had more hope. Buhari took yar'adua to court. They supreme court agreed that the rigging was monumental but that (according to chief justice Kutigi) Nigeria could not afford to have an election rerun, thus it was best to accept the illegality in good faith.

2. Churches as well as mosques were burned down. Yes but how many? there are old rivalries between muslims and xtians in Kaduna south, any conflict be it over a chicken will involve this. Right from the zangon kataf crisis. It is also more political than religious. At the end of the day, you have to contextualize, where was the brunt of the damage targeted and who were the people that died, of that, how many in reality were southerners? This is like alqaeda flying planes into the twin towers and a nearby resident complaining only about the debris caused by the collapse of the buildings while completely disregarding every other aspect of alqaeda's actions. Its plain silly.

3. No one is saying that Buhari should have won southern states. Many northerners believe that the election should have gone into a run off had it not been rigged. In other words, rigging was done in the south on monumental scales and the numbers GEJ got in the north were inflated on a massive scale. Otherwise how can GEJ get 40% of sokoto votes??
If indeed 95% of sokoto residents are muslims and the election was on religious fault lines then at least 85% of the sokoto vote would go to Buhari. Thats simple calculation.

4. Again, I mentioned killing innocents in unjustifiable but go back to my alqaeda example. Can you believe that the palaces of the all powerful and revered emirs was burned down? How can you now say that northerners only targeted southern xtian when clearly, they attempted a social revolution where they attacked their oppressors and you simple ignored that massive implication just to cheaply invite some useless north south propaganda. Cant you see? GEJ is a symbol of PDP, meaning him and his northern friends will continue defrauding you while keeping you busy with north south sentiments and playing on your emotions. Whos zooming who?

5. The fact of the matter is, people were very emotionally invested in this election and PDP ended up massively rigging it. Lack of fair play and injustice is what always causes violence. The igbos that run kaduna market all opened their shops when the situation calmed down. Igbo shops were not closed because the shop owners were all killed as you're trying to make yourself believe. Africans will always be foolish! tell me who is the real mugu in this case, you or GEJ and his click of hausa, yoruba, delta and igbo elite.

Which is it people, today its, hausa's want southerns to rule them, but they voted from MKO Abiola en mass. Tomorrow its northerners have sworn that no xtian will rule muslims yet the voted for OBJ in 1999. The north voted and supported OBJ in 1999, he went to Kano and many parts of the north and they were screaming "sai BABA"

Please enough of your hypocrisy. You continue moving the posts just to suit some agenda then turn around and say aboki this aboki that. It was agreed that there would be rotation, 8 years south 8 years north. All of a sudden, instead of sticking to it in the interest of unity, it has been jettisoned over short term thinking. When it was the south that forced zoning on the country. Now when in the long term the chairs are switched, guess who'll start crying first?

For those that say power will never return to the hausa speaking north. well, we're going to have to see about that but something tells me that would be utterly impossible to stage. We'll see how far that goes. But I'll let some of you relish in your "new elevation syndrome"

well growing up, my islamic religious knowledge teacher was a yoruba and he led many many prayers. Many yorubas have led in prayers! so Mr. Dracula, I dont know what you're talking about. People like you have no first hand knowledge of the north. All you have is overly emotional and sentiment laced fallacies that are completely absent in reality. Like boogie man stories.

Northerners hate this and that, they dont want to be ruled yet all these ridiculous assertions can be easily rebuffed if only you cared to look at the history objectively. The longest serving head of state was a christian, yakubu gowon was head of state for 9 straight years. The longest serving president in terms of years is OBJ, serving 3 plus 8 total. The north voted for OBJ in 1999, no one said he should not rule because he's not a northern muslim, no riots, even when he rigged in 2003, there were no riots!! The north voted for MKO en mass, he won Kano over a native son of Kano, Bashir Tofa. So be objective and stop succumbing to cheap propaganda and dont be intellectually lazy, examine what has happened and the root causes of the riots, it is very easy to say oh it is because of religion when you're failing to look at the other angles and deeper social issues that accompany them. The south is being fooled into chopping any bs story that comes from the north. Igbos run most northern markets, if you have a car and you've ever wanted to buy spare parts in the north then you have dealt with an igbo. But have northerners chased them out or decried that igbos are dominating markets? ask yourself why so many igbos live in the north and continue living there even after the violence!! sit there and distract yourself with north south and dont join hands and demand electricity or and end to corruption! FOOLS

@ GadoGado, let’s cut the crap and semantics.

If what I believe is true, then the writing is on the wall, there are indications that most Southerners do not want a Northern led Presidency anymore, period.
Hence we have a CONUNDRUM on our hands, and how do we resolve this issue?

The zoning arrangement is UNCONSTITUTIONAL, UNLAWFULL and UNDEMOCRATIC. Furthermore, the Zoning agreement infringes on the 'SOVEREIGNTY' of the citizens of the polity that make up Nigeria and was never binding. SOUTHERNERS cannot be made to tow the line. Once again, I ask how do we resolve this conundrum?

Irrespective of all of our opinions, we cannot ignore the fact that Southerners and elements in the North are now being asked to participate in a democratic process ‘under duress’ and subject to coercion by the deployment of widespread mob violence and mass murder.

[size=18pt]The only solution to this conundrum is to opt to mutually demarcate this country amicably![/size]

HERE THEY GO HAVING EVRYONE DISCUSSING POLITICS (RIGGIN PDP ETC) WHY THEY KILL ANYTIME THEY FANCY. CONCENTRATE YOU ENERGIES IN CONDEMNING THESE LIEING MURDERS. IF GIVE ENUFGH AUDIENCE THEY WILL TELL US NO CORPER WAS KILLED AND NO SOUTHERNER EIGHTER. THESE GUYS DONT REPENT AND THEY DO WHAT THEY DO WITH A CLEAR EYE KNOWING THAT THEY CAN ALWAYS DIVERT OUR LOGICAL REASON TO ANALYTIC BULLSHIT.CONDEMN THESE UNREPETNTANT MUDERS DONT ENGAGE THEM IN DISCUS TION OR ARGUMENTS CONCENTRATE ON THE LOST LIVES AND CONDEMN THE KILLERS WHJO ARE CAPABLE OF KKILLING BABIES AND ADOLESCENT GIRLS. IT M AY BE YOU OR YOUR LOVED ONES TOMOROW. GO OGLE GIDEON OKARS COUP SPEECH YOU WILL SEE THAT EVEN THE MIDDLEBELT SAW THIS EVIL CALLED NORTH ALONG TIME B4 NOW.

It daunts the pillar of sanity that few Nigerians are willing to put argument in favor of Muslim rioters or the originators of mayhem that befell northern region at the conclusion of presidential election. Did the Muslim miscreants from northern region fail to understand that Nigeria is a secular society? What actually compelled the rioters not unleash their anger on the massive rigging of election that saw a Muslim in the person of Yar Adua as a winner in the previous election? Only a fool will conclude the mayhem recently experienced in northern region of Nigeria was merely spurred by electoral malpractices and targeted towards Muslim PDP members in northern region.

fools! cant you read? Ive answered the same question over and over again, why didn't the north riot when obj rigged elections in 2003 against Buhari That cancels out any of your arguments about religion. People were simply much more emotionally invested in this election. Power has to be shared, its either that or war, you pick. Turn into somalia or share power! The principle of rotation suits Nigeria's make up!!! Anyway, most people posting in NL are not sensible and will have no say whatsoever in who becomes the next president of Nigeria. Your slave masters will decide.

As for the guy that said I should go hug a transformer, I just did and nothing happened? know why? coz there was no light. Fools, go manage your no light having as*ses! Backward people.

GadoGado, you still have not answered my salient points. The principle of rotation according to you suits Nigeria, and you are entitled to your opinion. However, this UNDEMOCRATIC principle is not enshrined in the Constitution, period. Hence you cannot just force it down peoples throats. The only way to do it would be to hold a referendum to let the people decide if that's the way they choose to be governed.

Furthermore you can't justify killing innocent people to enforce your opinion in a democracy. This is the problem, you do not want to adhere to the rules that every other community in Nigeria has to adhere to.


Bang goes your argument!

gadogado:

fools! cant you read? Ive answered the same question over and over again, why didn't the north riot when obj rigged elections in 2003 against Buhari That cancels out any of your arguments about religion. People were simply much more emotionally invested in this election. Power has to be shared, its either that or war, you pick. Turn into somalia or share power! The principle of rotation suits Nigeria's make up!!! Anyway, most people posting in NL are not sensible and will have no say whatsoever in who becomes the next president of Nigeria. Your slave masters will decide.

Bringing untold mayhem is not the reasonable manner to show unhappiness about the truncated zoning in PDP which has no relevance to CPC’s manifesto. I think boycott of the entire election would have been better option to register political discontent about the zoning issues in PDP. No intelligent person can proffer that rioters in northern region were the supporters of PDP. The miscreants, through the urging of their political leaders, validated the system by partaking in the electoral process only to turn sore losers.

Granted the power rotation via zoning as entrenched in PDP's party constitution is good for jungle called Nigeria, what stopped the murderers in northern region from massive protest against CPC, ANPP, ACN and LP for the absence of the zoning clause in party constitution?

Dede1:

Bringing untold mayhem is not the reasonable manner to show unhappiness about the truncated zoning in PDP which has no relevance to CPC’s manifesto. I think boycott of the entire election would have been better option to register political discontent about the zoning issues in PDP. No intelligent person can proffer that rioters in northern region were the supporters of PDP. The miscreants, through the urging of their political leaders, validated the system by partaking in the electoral process only to turn sore losers.

Granted the power rotation via zoning as entrenched in PDP's party constitution is good for jungle called Nigeria, what stopped the murderers in northern region from massive protest against CPC, ANPP, ACN and LP for the absence of the zoning clause in party constitution?

Well said Dede1

Back to my question - How does zoning guarantee dividends of democracy to the common man ?

I'd rather the rampaging youths protests lack of infrastructure,jobs etc.

Killing others because of a perceived loss of a presidential poll in nonsensical,immoral and satanic .

Dede1:

Bringing untold mayhem is not the reasonable manner to show unhappiness about the truncated zoning in PDP which has no relevance to CPC’s manifesto. I think boycott of the entire election would have been better option to register political discontent about the zoning issues in PDP. No intelligent person can proffer that rioters in northern region were the supporters of PDP. The miscreants, through the urging of their political leaders, validated the system by partaking in the electoral process only to turn sore losers.

Granted the power rotation via zoning as entrenched in PDP's party constitution is good for jungle called Nigeria, what stopped the murderers in northern region from massive protest against CPC, ANPP, ACN and LP for the absence of the zoning clause in party constitution?

@ bold, exactly, I seriously lament for Nigeria, and some people don't understand what's holding us back, wow!

guys calm from all indicators northerners are DEAD scared of a split they know how bleeped they would be

most northerners including myself want a split! pleeeeease split it u hear! that would be awesome! 80% of northerners want a split. I'd love it.

gadogado:

most northerners including myself want a split! pleeeeease split it u hear! that would be awesome! 80% of northerners want a split. I'd love it.

How laughable 

Talking from the comfort of your Minnesota villa ,probably financed by govt 'kwantracts' or kick-backs.

See your mouth '80% northerners want to split' .   .    .    .    .Sege !

I wish you were with your cattle in Funtua  with US travel ban placed on your butt - you wouldn't be spewing such rubbish.

Northerners want split ko . . . . . .gworo ni . Tschewwwwwwwwwwwwwww