so what? let his G.O handle his affairs

owukpa:


https://www.idomavoice.com/2021/08/breaking-pastor-danjuma-tafa-balewa-of-rccg-cornerstone-parish-okota-is-dead.html

The church is just a stone throw to my house,Ago round about before Cele...yeah I noticed something wasn't cool there for sometime now,I noticed the unwanted grasses growing in the premises which is unusual,I noticed it's mostly lonely also,maybe it's because I don't pass there on Sundays though,but I knew something was wrong...May his soul RIP.

Maestro21:


I will only have a meaningful conversation with you if you do not quote CNN as I do not believe in anything that comes from there. I will for the sake of a conversation entertain CDC data. What is the mortality rate for unvaccinated people? Meanwhile, there are as many deaths amongst the vaccinated according to UK data, Massachusetts data etc.

Please provide your source. I live in the UK and that’s not what I’m hearing fam

Here’s another source for you

https://apnews.com/article/coronavirus-pandemic-health-941fcf43d9731c76c16e7354f5d5e187

Maestro21:


So what is the solution to this "new" variant?

Same as before, Get vaccinated, Wear your mask, Social distance, Good hygiene

jesusjnr2020:
You obviously don't know me if you think so.

I wish he changes and begins to base his teachings and actions on the most important things, not lesser matters like tithes before he departs not beforehand.

You can start that also. Hatred has made you think that Oyedepo preaches only tithes. Buy his books and tapes and listen to it. Your hatred towards him will change.

NairaMaster1:


You can start that also. Hatred has made you think that Oyedepo preaches only tithes. Buy his books and tapes and listen to it. Your hatred towards him will change.

It's only ignorance that could make you say and suggest such a thing.

kramer:


Please provide your source. I live in the UK and that’s not what I’m hearing fam

Here’s another source for you

https://apnews.com/article/coronavirus-pandemic-health-941fcf43d9731c76c16e7354f5d5e187

The CDC in the USA already delegated hospitals to not test anyone who has been vaccinated against COVID19 when hospitalised. That already implies that the data is skewed to report only unvaccinated cases, don't you think?

Remember a COVID19 death is anything from dying of COVID19 to dying with COVID19.

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/fully-vaccinated-guidance.html

kramer:


Same as before, Get vaccinated, Wear your mask, Social distance, Good hygiene

You do know that the "experts" say the vaccine does not prevent against spread, contraction nor hospitalisation with regards to the delta variant? You do know that it does not immunize against it - according to the "experts"?

Maestro21:


The CDC in the USA already delegated hospitals to not test anyone who has been vaccinated against COVID19 when hospitalised. That already implies that the data is skewed to report only unvaccinated cases, don't you think?

Remember a COVID19 death is anything from dying of COVID19 to dying with COVID19.

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/fully-vaccinated-guidance.html

Going by the quote you've provided, vaccinated people who end up dying would still show up on the records because they would have to show symptoms. The recommendation only excludes vaccinated that don't show any symptoms.

And of course the vaccine alone cannot stop the spread, hence why I mentioned the other points as well mask, distance and hygiene.

The vaccine does provide some level of immunity as it reduces the effect of the virus (making it less severe) but then everybody's different especially if you've got underlying problems. That said, It's better to be safe than sorry. The last thing you want to do is lay down on your death bed, 10 mins away from leaving this world and wishing you had taken it (like this stubborn dude https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-57958358)

kramer:


Going by the quote you've provided, vaccinated people who end up dying would still show up on the records because they would have to show symptoms. The recommendation only excludes vaccinated that don't show any symptoms.

You are correct, however, this measure should have been extended to unvaccinated folks too, see what I mean? In addition, dying of COVID19 and dying with COVID19 are not the same yet the CDC tabulates the death as one. What that implies is, if an unvaccinated folk goes in for stage 4 cancer and tests positive to the "COVID19 antibody", the CDC guideline suggests that that death should be written as a COVID19 death. This is skewed data collection because going by the guideline, a vaccinated stage 4 cancer patient will not even be subjected to a COVID19 test (since his symptoms are incongruous with COVID19) and as such the potential death never had the chance of being tabulated as a COVID19 death of a vaccinated individual.

And of course the vaccine alone cannot stop the spread, hence why I mentioned the other points as well mask, distance and hygiene

You are quite honest, nevertheless, the selling point of the jabs initially was the discontinuation of the masks and social distancing, to reintroduce them after the jab as a mandate surely means the jabs are not effective. Notice I left hygiene out of the mix because from the beginning of this COVID19 brouhaha I was one of those suing for hygiene, yet the "experts" called that misinfomation.

The vaccine does provide some level of immunity as it reduces the effect of the virus (making it less severe) but then everybody's different especially if you've got underlying problems. That said, It's better to be safe than sorry. The last thing you want to do is lay down on your death bed, 10 mins away from leaving this world and wishing you had taken it (like this stubborn dude https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-57958358)

No, the jab does not produce any level of immunity. Immunity means being protected from contracting or transmitting said disease. If all the jab does is reduce the severity of the symptoms, then it is not a vaccine but a therapeutic drug or an immune booster - similar to vitamins C and D, Zinc etc.

As for the Stephen Harmon story, we can trade stories and I wager I will have more that will have you asking questions. Did you ever know or hear about the RN Tiffany Dover who was amongst the first set of people to get the jab late 2020? What happened to her? She was famous for fainting right after taking the jab. She died and yet the media tried to claim she was still alive. Fact-checkers tried to claim that all claims about her death were wrong, yet this is August, and nobody can provide a video of her being alive yet there is a ton of evidence that she died shortly after the jab. She is one of many stories of even people dying of COVID19 after taking the jab. I would rather not trade such stories yet.

Maestro21:

You are correct, however, this measure should have been extended to unvaccinated folks too, see what I mean? In addition, dying of COVID19 and dying with COVID19 are not the same yet the CDC tabulates the death as one. What that implies is, if an unvaccinated folk goes in for stage 4 cancer and tests positive to the "COVID19 antibody", the CDC guideline suggests that that death should be written as a COVID19 death. This is skewed data collection because going by the guideline, a vaccinated stage 4 cancer patient will not even be subjected to a COVID19 test (since his symptoms are incongruous with COVID19) and as such the potential death never had the chance of being tabulated as a COVID19 death of a vaccinated individual.


You are quite honest, nevertheless, the selling point of the jabs initially was the discontinuation of the masks and social distancing, to reintroduce them after the jab as a mandate surely means the jabs are not effective. Notice I left hygiene out of the mix because from the beginning of this COVID19 brouhaha I was one of those suing for hygiene, yet the "experts" called that misinfomation.



No, the jab does not produce any level of immunity. Immunity means being protected from contracting or transmitting said disease. If all the jab does is reduce the severity of the symptoms, then it is not a vaccine but a therapeutic drug or an immune booster - similar to vitamins C and D, Zinc etc.

As for the Stephen Harmon story, we can trade stories and I wager I will have more that will have you asking questions. Did you ever know or hear about the RN Tiffany Dover who was amongst the first set of people to get the jab late 2020? What happened to her? She was famous for fainting right after taking the jab. She died and yet the media tried to claim she was still alive. Fact-checkers tried to claim that all claims about her death were wrong, yet this is August, and nobody can provide a video of her being alive yet there is a ton of evidence that she died shortly after the jab. She is one of many stories of even people dying of COVID19 after taking the jab. I would rather not trade such stories yet.

1) The guide highlights that it's only a recommendation. Besides, any well run medical practice would still test it's patients for covid regardless of those guidelines. That said, you do raise a valid point in that it leaves room for misreporting and so i'll give this to you.

2) Yes, the vaccine was thought to be the ultimate solution I agree, but you have to remember that these guys have produced in 1yr what would normally take 5yrs to produce. And they didn't fully understand what they were up against either.

3) So you know, all vaccines are not 100% effective for everyone. For example, there are people who have died from getting measles vaccine whereas the same jab has protected millions of people. Vaccines are primarily designed to generate an immune response that will protect the vaccinated individual during future exposures to the disease. Individual immune systems, however, are different enough that in some cases, a person’s immune system will not generate an adequate response. As a result, he or she will not be effectively protected after vaccination. Same goes for Covid vaccines; some are fully protected, some partially, some not much, and some have adverse reactions.

4) That babe is still alive. You will see fake news from anti-vaxxers claiming that she never got up after she fainted but here she is speaking about the condition she has right after she recovered:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tOH7XLHl2mo&feature=youtu.be&ab_channel=WRCBChattanooga&t=20s

Also Reuters (a neutral source I always trust) has also confirmed numerous times with facts that the news of her death is false https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-factcheck-nurse-covid-vaccine-dead-idUSKBN29629G

jesusjnr2020:
It's only ignorance that could make you say and suggest such a thing.

Remember the proverbial Empty vessel

kramer:


1) The guide highlights that it's only a recommendation. Besides, any well run medical practice would still test it's patients for covid regardless of those guidelines. That said, you do raise a valid point in that it leaves room for misreporting and so i'll give this to you.

2) Yes, the vaccine was thought to be the ultimate solution I agree, but you have to remember that these guys have produced in 1yr what would normally take 5yrs to produce. And they didn't fully understand what they were up against either.

I enjoy engaging you because you are civil and I can see that you have your thinking cap on. Which is why I want to address the highlighted portion. This "vaccine" was not produced in 1 year neither do normal vaccines take 5 years to produce. A vaccine can be produced in a day - that is not the issue. The issue is, after designing one, you need clinical trials to test and understand its kinetics, dynamics and efficacy. Those clinical trials are in 3 phases and each phase is subjected to time. This particular vaccines skipped most of those trials, so anything they seem to be learning on the fly, is what they would have learned in time - as per how they were supposed to do things. Don't you think it bizzare that such hurriedly rolled out vaccines should then be mandated when it is not even fully understood?

3) So you know, all vaccines are not 100% effective for everyone. For example, there are people who have died from getting measles vaccine whereas the same jab has protected millions of people. Vaccines are primarily designed to generate an immune response that will protect the vaccinated individual during future exposures to the disease. Individual immune systems, however, are different enough that in some cases, a person’s immune system will not generate an adequate response. As a result, he or she will not be effectively protected after vaccination. Same goes for Covid vaccines; some are fully protected, some partially, some not much, and some have adverse reactions.

Of course, I am fully aware and your exposition is correct however, how vaccines work with immunocompromised patients i.e side effects etc are discovered and tabulated during the clinical trials. As such, such immunocompromised individuals are exempted from receiving the jabs. Further, even when breakthrough deaths may occur despite taking such measures, they are usually rare, few and far between. That is certainly not the case with this jab. In fact, these vaccines (so called) were not designed to generate an immune response as the measles vaccines that you referred to. The producers have said it ad nauseam: their investigational drug only aims at reducing the severity of symptoms. That is not how vaccines work which is why we have seen too many breakthrough cases and even they have announced a need for booster shots.

4) That babe is still alive. You will see fake news from anti-vaxxers claiming that she never got up after she fainted but here she is speaking about the condition she has right after she recovered:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tOH7XLHl2mo&feature=youtu.be&ab_channel=WRCBChattanooga&t=20s

Also Reuters (a neutral source I always trust) has also confirmed numerous times with facts that the news of her death is false https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-factcheck-nurse-covid-vaccine-dead-idUSKBN29629G

I read the reuters article and then clicked the links that they cited to the supposed video of her standing in line with other nurses 4 days after. Interestingly, the video was taken down. I did a little digging and the video was a fake - the lady in question was clearly not her which is why they took it down. Her husband changed his married status online to single, Tiffany has since deleted all her social media profiles and accounts and since December of 2020, nobody has seen or heard from her - reuters in their article said they wrote to her but she was yet to reply - and still concluded all was well. You would think it will be easy to just put out a video proving you are alive and well so the "theories" will end, right?

Well, Tiffany is dead. Which should make you wonder why anyone will go through the length to deny it if it was coincidental. Remember this is August 2021, and since December 2020, not one person has heard from Tiffany.

https://www.bitchute.com/video/as1rvnNFNaQQ/

https://www.bitchute.com/video/FTFIwIEozZ1i/

I have more links than these, I just wanted to present the ones that are effective summaries.

Kobojunkie:
You serious?
This in Nigeria or where?

Nigeria

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