harakiri:

Really? Please can you explain what you understand by feminism and afterwards explain how feminism has "helped" marriages?

Thank you.

dayokanu:

Harakiri is right, Most Feminists are actually anti marriage

Ujujoan:


And your point is . . . .

If most feminist are anti marriage, does that make marriage a detestable institution

I'm not a feminist so I can't say what their take on marriage is . . . but mine does not approve of the master/slave relationship which most men are advocating for. If that makes me incapable of realizing what marriage is all about, then so be it!

ajigglin:

and where do you get this information?

FeministsSome feminists seek the end of formal marriage -
"The institution of marriage is the chief vehicle for the perpetuation of the oppression of women; it is through the role of wife that the subjugation of women is maintained."[4]

Individuals such as Sheila Cronan claim that "Freedom for women cannot be won without the abolition of marriage."[5], and point to historical, legal and social inequalities of wedding, family life and divorce.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criticism_of_marriage

Once upon a time, marriage made sense. It was how women ensured their financial security, got the fathers of their children to stick around, and gained access to a host of legal rights. But 40 years after the feminist movement established our rights in the workplace, a generation after the divorce rate peaked, and a decade after Sex and the City made singledom chic, marriage is—from a legal and practical standpoint, anyway—no longer necessary.

http://www.newsweek.com/2010/06/11/i-don-t.html

ajigglin:

being a feminist has to do with promoting the rights of women.  promoting the rights of women does not mean putting down the rights of men.  men and women are partners together, and if one piece isn't strong, both will fail.  if both a man and woman are strong as individuals, they will prosper together.  women are there to compliment the men.  do you want a weak woman to be your complement?
you are focusing on those people that call themselves feminists that spend all their time putting down men.  that is not what feminism is about at all.

dayokanu:

Feminists Some feminists seek the end of formal marriage -
"The institution of marriage is the chief vehicle for the perpetuation of the oppression of women; it is through the role of wife that the subjugation of women is maintained."[4]

Individuals such as Sheila Cronan claim that "Freedom for women cannot be won without the abolition of marriage."[5], and point to historical, legal and social inequalities of wedding, family life and divorce.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criticism_of_marriage

Once upon a time, marriage made sense. It was how women ensured their financial security, got the fathers of their children to stick around, and gained access to a host of legal rights. But 40 years after the feminist movement established our rights in the workplace, a generation after the divorce rate peaked, and a decade after Sex and the City made singledom chic, marriage is—from a legal and practical standpoint, anyway—no longer necessary.

http://www.newsweek.com/2010/06/11/i-don-t.html

ajigglin:

no offense taken.  you are actually the one that doesn't know anything about it.
google the origins of the movement and you will see what the originators were trying to accomplish.

[size=18pt]The Feminists' War Against Marriage [/size]
The war on marriage that the feminists in academia are waging hit me this year when I received the Winter issue of my alma mater's alumnae magazine, the Radcliffe Quarterly. In 52 pages under the heading "Scenes from the Family," the editors didn't include any discussion of a successful family based on a man and a woman honoring their solemn promises "to have and to hold . . . for better, for worse . . . till death do us part."

Instead, the feature article laid down the feminist line that a woman's identity disappears in marriage and that "marriage is bad for you, at least if you're female." Without any shame, the author admitted that she acquired her husband by breaking up another marriage that had lasted 15 years and produced three children. She argued that, "Instead of getting married for life, men and women (in whatever combination suits their sexual orientation) should sign up for a seven-year hitch." If they want to "reenlist" for another seven, they may, but after that, the marriage is "over

http://www.eagleforum.org/psr/1997/dec97/psrdec97.html."

http://www.eagleforum.org/psr/1997/dec97/psrdec97.html

dayokanu:

harakiri:

***this is tiring ***

Dude, let me break it down for you. . .the feminist movement achieved everything they wanted plus much more 30 years ago e.g Voting,Working and so on. Today's feminism is something else. Please, i just got back from work and i don't have the energy to start typing an essay on feminism. Even HONEST women will tell you feminism and marriage don't mix. Ask yourself this : HOW MANY HAPPILY MARRIED FEMINISTS ARE OUT THERE? Hmmm? How many can you mention? Oprah Winfrey? Ellen DeGeneres? Woo-pi Goldberg? How many? Answer that before you rush into typing what you have little knowledge of.

harakiri:

I don't think this "ajigglin" character is interested in reading any information you have to offer. All he wants to do is argue blindly till hell freezes over (you know the type don't you? )

harakiri:

The foundation of feminism was based freedom to vote,work and enjoy priviledges like men. All this has been achieved but are women satisfied? NO! A friend of mine told me years ago that a feminist organization affliated with women's shelters were distributing flyers with questionaires like "DOES HE MAKE YOU UNHAPPY? IS HE A GOOD FATHER? DO YOU STILL LOVE HIM? DO YOU QUARELL. . . IF YOU TICKED A MINIMUM OF 5, THEN HE DOESN'T DESERVE YOU. GET OUT NOW WHILE YOU CAN!" And my friend read through and saw that most of what was mentioned there are NORMAL everyday marital issues but a lot of women will buy that and act on it. Why am i even wasting my time typing. You know the truth but will deny it till thy kingdom come. You say you're a feminist. . .if that's true then you already know that in the rallies,meetings,radio and tv broadcasts, all that's been preached is MAN-HATING PROPAGANDA. Why am i even arguing with you? You'll definitely deny it all even though its common public knowledge or at best, you'll try to explain how its only "SOME" feminists and not "MOST" feminists that engage in such. . .lol. I'm familiar with the shaming tactics sweetie. Nuff said.

Outstrip:

I am a married feminist. The idea that marriage and feminism cannot coexist is ridiculous. I guess to justify your anger at women wanting to treated as an equal to you, you give feminism a bad name. People like Rosie O'Donnel are not the face of feminism. Simply put it is putting women on an equal social standing as men. Anything else you wish to add comes from your own bigoted imagination.

harakiri:

Let me see. . .erm. . . Can you lift a wounded or dead colleague (preferably male) on the battle field and walk for miles to EVAC? Can you sentence your own son to jail if he was guilty and you were the presiding judge? Can you authorize air strikes in an alleged terrorist region knowing fully well that at least 90% of the casualities would be innocent women,children and the elderly(bush and obama did it). Can you approve THE DRAFT to include young women (if it's re-commisioned). Can you go into the sports field and compete with a man? Can you run a company as CE0 and base your judgement without "feelings" or emotion? Have you EVER taken a rational decision without emotion being involved? Have you ever chased a man,wooed him,bought him gifts,took him out and paid for all without grudges,met his people,proposed to him,married him and took care of the bills? Can you pee into a coke bottle or out of a window? Lol

Outstrip:

I am a married feminist. The idea that marriage and feminism cannot coexist is ridiculous. I guess to justify your anger at women wanting to treated as an equal to you, you give feminism a bad name. People like Rosie O'Donnel are not the face of feminism. Simply put it is putting women on an equal social standing as men. Anything else you wish to add comes from your own bigoted imagination.

harakiri:

@outstrip. . . Please, can you mention ONE goal the feminists have fought for that hasn't been achieved (apart from exterminating all men from the face of the earth) ?