A fascinating find

A001:

Arindin, an epitome of confusion.

Don’t be harsh, homo. I’m a bit confused because I spent some time guarding Jehovah’s spiritual cage and didn’t have anyone to talk to except Domino Reverad.

The Report button comes handy to handle nonsensical posts.

A001:
The Report comes handy to handle nonsensical posts.

You don’t say!!! That’s surprising!

A001:

I thought my signature made my field clear.

If you're not an Ifaodu devotee, that means your knowledge on it is not deep as some of your comments have shown.

Okay. I can do so when I'm less busy.

I don't understand what you mean by the highlighted. According to Otem, he was given the content of the book via revelations from Atum in a number of languages, but mainly Seriot, which he says it's a dead, ancient language.

He gave an explanation of this in the book, and the mechanism of the information transmission even has a scientific explanation.

Then, I don't know where the author told you he wrote the book based on assumptions. That's your assertion, not the author's.

It's common knowledge that most of the histories of our forefathers are lost or never recorded/documented. Thus, it's quite possible those histories of the deities are true.

I feel your main grouse with him is because, unlike religionists, his approach and style to narrating the histories of the entities looks scientific. It's all physical, nothing superstitious, supernatural, or spiritual.

After all, what's seen as supernatural or mysterious by humans with our limited intelligence and senses doesn't seem so to an advanced being or a highly evolved entity.

Many things he says about gods and goddesses may not sit well with an adherent like you (just like the average religionists) because of your emotional attachments to these deities, but an agnostic like me finds the work quite seminal, especially due to the author's scientific approach to things.

Who will read Otem's book and research objectively about the histories of our local gods and goddesses and those of Allah and Yahweh in the text and online and still see these deities the same way? I doubt a honest, highly intelligent person won't change his attitude toward these deities.

You clearly know very little about the literature you're commenting about hence your erroneous statements about it.

If not for the book, I will still continue to see our native culture and deities as evil and demonic as Qur'an and the Bible preach. Only a person who hasn't read the literature will post such ill-informed opinion about it.

As said earlier, it's your opinion which holds no water with an agnostic like me.

Interesting.

Okay.

Even without reading Ifaodu corpus and the books you read, I know the highlighted already thanks to Otem's book that narrated histories on how these two foreign religions are connected to and have their roots in our indigenous religions and many of such in Africa, especially ancient Egypt.

It's obvious you're criticizing something you know next to nothing about. It's unreasonable.

1. Cleared

2. I am an initiate with my birth identity. So ,I am humbly proud of ancestors knowledge of creation and God.

3. No problem

4. The author's claim of revelation seem interesting ,especially the assertion that the language of revelation is dead.

Indeed such is quite funny ,considering the fact the same author identified orunmiela's timeline on earth,which is weird because a vastly renowned olúfá cannot claim the time frame of the existence of orunmiela who reigns eternally.

5. Clarify the scientific conjecture such ọpọnifá which is as the components of world

6. Assumption rose from the period the information on orunmiela was mentioned as humanoid.

7. You are wrong on my perspective as it relates to humans deified as gods/goddesses or seen as gods/goddesses .Contrarily, orisha are used for mankind and celestial bodies.

8. You are entitled to your opinions because, your view on Ancient Hebrew fuse directly with Yoruba's tradition. Infact, there are ifaodu stanzas that speaks against harrassment from Islam and also proffer solution and total victory of ifaodu over attacks.

b. Another ifaodu's stanza says that annual fasting by Muslims or Catholic people who claims religionist is not Godly and that they were scattered from being coherently organised.

9. Risha-God
Risha- spirit messengers
Risha- defied humans
Risha- humans

In nutshell, understanding these things make separate gods and goddesses from God Almighty. This is explicitly arranged in ifaodu. The only prominent personality in Ifaodu is Ẹ̀làà, who talked about everything and every personality on earth, whom are classified into three groups: darkskin,light brownish-lightskin and white,ranging from albinism.

10.I am no agnostic ideologically. Learn what is wizardry,perhaps, you may understand it from a linear angle.

11. How did the highlighted gave thanks to Otem's conceive theories ? It is obvious that you do underestimated Yoruba religion. So, let me leave to this funny flaws and sees the two screenshots

Olu317:


4. The author's claim of revelation seem interesting ,especially the assertion that the language of revelation is dead.

Before I can engage in any further discussion with you on the book, you'd have to read what you're criticizing (if you think that's necessary).

It's unreasonable to criticise and critique literature you know next to nothing about its content, merely judging the book by its cover.

So, I won't be engaging you further on this matter. It's a waste time.

Olu317:

Indeed such is quite funny ,considering the fact the same author identified orunmiela's timeline on earth,which is weird because a vastly renowned olúfá cannot claim the time frame of the existence of orunmiela who reigns eternally.

Again, you don't know anything about the book or the author you're criticizing or his sources.

I don't see the point in answering this question when the reasonable thing for you to do is to learn about what you're criticizing.

But you've not done that; you just made hasty conclusions replete with fallacious and erroneous statements.

Olu317:

5. Clarify the scientific conjecture such ọpọnifá which is as the components of world.

I won't clarify anything. I don't see why that's necessary.

It's a waste of time for me to be discussing a book or an author with you, who you know little about but have already reached conclusions hastily, ignorantly.

Olu317:

6. Assumption rose from the period the information on orunmiela was mentioned as humanoid.

Again, you're speaking from the position of ignorance about the literature. The reasonable thing is to first learn about the book, the author, and who his sources are.

In the 2018 edition that the author sent to many on Nairaland, the chapter on Orunmila hasn't been decoded at all from the original language of the revelations. The author says there will be a new edition soon.

I won't be engaging you further on this Otem's book unless you first learn about what you're criticizing (that's if you think doing so is necessary) .

Olu317:

7. You are wrong on my perspective as it relates to humans deified as gods/goddesses or seen as gods/goddesses .Contrarily, orisha are used for mankind and celestial bodies.

You sound like the average religionist when discussing all these deities and prefer to talk about them as supernatural, spiritual beings, who are objects of great mystery.

But I don't like such an approach. It's not healthy for intellectual discourse on the subject because it seeks to obfuscate information on these deities so they can't be scrutinized.

That's one reason why I consider Otem's book a seminal work because the author or his sources don't approach things supernaturally or spiritually but practically and scientifically.

They're revealing the lost histories and the identity of all these gods and goddesses people worship and regard as supernatural entities.

Anyone that reads this book and research some of the claims of the author will stop being an adherent of a religion and looking at these deities superstitiously and supernaturally.

The approach of the author encourages skepticism, carrying out research on claims before taking them as truth, and critical thinking.

That's an encouraging attitude for pedagogy and intellectualism, especially in this part of the world where critical thinkers are few and far between.

Olu317:

9. Risha-God
Risha- spirit messengers
Risha- defied humans
Risha- humans

This classification is vague, nothing concrete. It's better you learn the scientific methods of classifying human species. Those are comprehensive.

They're more detailed and give an estimate of the various epochs of humanity.
For a start, these links can help:
https://humanorigins.si.edu/education/introduction-human-evolution

https://humanorigins.si.edu/research/age-humans-evolutionary-perspectives-anthropocene

These aspects of science and evolution of humans covered in those resources are an ongoing research areas and subject to further improvement in the future like every other discipline in science.

Combining these sources with great works like Otem's book and "Sapiens: a Brief History of Humankind" by Yuval Noah Harari, an Israeli professor of History (free copy is available online), will educate anyone that seeks to learn (with an open mind) the history of humanity on this planet.

Otem's book traces the origin of humanity to all these gods and goddesses (deities) worshipped in religions and also evolution. It takes the origin back to at least 3.5 billion years ago (unlike millions of years in mainstream science) and provides a unique system of classification, different from the conventional ones used by mainstream scientists but with similarities.

According to the literature, the origin of humanity lies in both intelligent design and evolution, and not only evolution according to mainstream science.

I also share these views with the author, but so far, no scientific evidence is available to show both intelligent design and evolution are responsible for humans' origin.

The available bodies of data (evidence) are only in support of evolution for now.

With time and more understanding of the universe, scientists will make breakthroughs in these areas and the truth will be known.

We're yet to explore 99% of the universe, which means much more mysteries in the universe are unknown, which is why we need more people to become scientists instead of religionists.

Olu317:

In nutshell, understanding these things make separate gods and goddesses from God Almighty. This is explicitly arranged in ifaodu. The only prominent personality in Ifaodu is Ẹ̀làà, who talked about everything and every personality on earth, whom are classified into three groups: darkskin,light brownish-lightskin and white,ranging from albinism.

The native classification has its importance and uses. But the modern classifications and scientific methods and techniques are better and more detailed.

Crucial aspects of classifying humans are dating technologies and genetic science. Both are lacking in the corpus.

Olu317:

11. How did the highlighted gave thanks to Otem's conceive theories?

The statement is clear enough. Reading a book like Otem's will teach African Christians and Muslims the true histories of the gods they worship, encourage them to research about the origin of their religions (which is African traditional religions and others predating Christianity), and respect and value the native cultures and traditions.

The author says he was sent by the pagan gods and goddesses of Africa to connect Africans back to their roots.

The majority of Christians and Muslims don't know that almost all the practices in their religions have their roots in paganism, in Africa.

Personally, the interest I now have in our local cultures and traditions is because I read the book and did my own research on the author's assertions.

Olu317:

It is obvious that you do underestimated Yoruba religion. So, let me leave to this funny flaws and sees the two screenshots

Until some years ago, I didn't know much about the Yoruba religion even though I'm Yoruba. That's why I consider Otem's book a masterpiece.

What I have learnt in some years now and —what I'm still learning — about our cultures is due to the fact that I read the book. If not, I'd still continue to see the beautiful indigenous cultures as demonic because of religious indoctrination from childhood.

Anyone who sees his native culture as evil or demonic is in the mental slavery of (foreign) religion.

The screenshots are spot-on .

True.

A001:

The literarure claims Luwabi lived about 140,000 years ago in the homo sapiens era as a reincarnated homo erectus.

Based on the available bodies of (dated) archeological evidence, the homo erectus era spanned around 2 million years (starting from Africa), while the current homo sapiens era started about 280,000 years ago from Africa.

We're currently in the 282,021th year of the homo sapiens era according to some classifications.

Anyone that has truly read the histories of Luwabi in that book will observe an interesting level of depth and consistency in them that make the stories look convincing and profound.

According to the histories, when Luwabi reincarnated as a homo sapiens, he even retained his writing skills as a giant homo erectus (using codes to represent signs on leaves), deep thinking and critical thinking ability, and philosophical skills and started exhibiting these things right from 10 years of age that people around him said he was a prodigy, or a genius, or the return of Ifa.

(In this part of the world and around the world, we heard by oral tales while growing up that the ancients were giants.)

It appears reincarnated people retain some of their skills and abilities/knowledge from their past life.

There's something about the histories in the book that make it look believable. Hence, I consider it very possible that Luwabi might have lived in the ancient past of Yorubaland.

But one may not really know these things for sure, considering the length of time (over 140,000 years ago) and also due to the fact that most of the histories of our forefathers in this part of the world are lost or never recorded/documented.

Then again, those patches of leaves the book said he wrote on wouldn't be able to last for that long, not even 100 years let alone 140,000.

I don't think anyone living today can trace his genealogy back to hundreds, thousands of years in the past (except Otem who says he knows his history right from the Beginning; he posted it on one of his threads and contains his encounters with Olorun, quite interesting with some scientific aspects).

If interested, you may check it here, quite fascinating and with a lot of depth: https://www.nairaland.com/4462945/otem-sapiens-historical-account-saviour

This inability of most living people today to trace their genealogy back to several years in the past shows a majority of the histories of our forefathers are lost or never recorded/documented.

The book narrates Orunmila (being a giant humanoid from the beginning) had reincarnated as a homo sapiens as a reciter of the verses of Ifa (Ifa had reincarnated before him as a homo sapiens) some 100,000 years in the homo sapiens era after Luwabi came back to Earth again the second time — and that there was even a writer with the name Sodeke that lived in this region within 265,000 – 280,000 years of the homo sapiens epoch as a reteller of the stories of Luwabi.

According to the book, there was even a flood era about 195,000 – 230,000 years ago in different parts parts of the world where many histories of people and world events were lost.

So far, there's been no scientific evidence that a flood era had once occurred on Earth but that doesn't mean there was no such era.

Ifaodu verses, for all their greatness and rich ideas and fascinating use of the language, don't contain detailed information about the different human species in history (homo sapiens, homo erectus, and earlier species) mainly because many of our forefathers weren't scientifically inclined and couldn't develop dating technologies like the whites.

For instance, when talking about Sango or Ogun, no information is given whether he's a nephilim, anakim, rephalm, homo erectus, etc. That classification is highly important for scholarly works and critical analyses.

In that aspect, Otem's book of history has done a wonderful job based on my own critique.

Lmao

This cracked me up, how do you people take these things seriously??
You know there are actual paleontologists and anthropologists right?
Is this Otem one?

macof:


Lmao

This cracked me up, how do you people take these things seriously??

Is it the existence of homo sapiens, homo erectus, and other human species or what in particular?

A001:

Is it the existence of homo sapiens, homo erectus, and other species or what in particular?

That some random guy in a random book just happens to know personal details including the name of a homo erectus or is it homo sapiens (you called it both at different times) who lived 140,000 years ago

The line between facts and fiction shouldn’t be this thin and blurry

Come on people what’s going on?

macof:


Lmao

This cracked me up, how do you people take these things seriously??
You know there are actual paleontologists and anthropologists right?
Is this Otem one?

OtemAtum is in the best position to answer this question regarding his educational background, but from what I know on Nairaland he didn't study any of those courses or History.

But what I can say is regarding the question is:

Which university did Herodotus, Faraday, Newton, and similar great thinkers attend to be able to write seminal works that millions have studied in courses for hundreds of years?

Were any of these figures professors in their field?

Which school of music did great artists like Da Vinci, Tupac, MJ, and many others go to have such wonderful gifts to produce records, which thousands of students have studied in school?

In history, many people have been able to leave indellible marks on the sands of time even without receiving formal education.

If one isn't educated within the four walls of a classroom, it doesn't mean such a one isn't educated at all.

Thomas Edison understands this deeply when he said, "genius is one percent inspiration and ninety-nine percent perspiration."

That one percent inspiration can be what makes all the difference in deciding whether a person lives and dies a common man or a god. Someone like Prof Wole Soyinka would also understand this clearly.

Looking at Otem's name, the source of the histories should be clear enough to people that know the various names given to Atum in ancient Egypt.

Then, anyone that has read the book with an open mind will recognize the genius of the writer.

People take him seriously because of many reasons:

1. The Seriot language, which has the elements of a natural language
2. It's beyond the capability of a single person to put the content of that book together with that depth and still invent a new language that looks natural
3. The author uses an approach that looks scientific and encourages skepticism and critical thinking
4. Some of the assertions of the author have a lot of depth and scientific explanations
5. Many of the histories in the book have a lot of depth and are consistent with some other books corroborating the author's assertions.
6. Atum is the creator of ancient Egypt and is the chief source of the author (ancient Egypt and their pyramids are fascinating)
7. The book doesn't promote any religion or god. It's a book of history and philosophy.

There are other reasons, but these ones are okay.

Whenever I read the book, the picture of Herodotus comes to mind.

Which school did the great thinker attend that earned him the title, "the father of history"?

During his time, some of his contemporaries also mocked him, saying that his works wouldn't stand the test of time. But they were wrong.

macof:


That some random guy in a random book just happens to know personal details including the name of a homo erectus or is it homo sapiens (you called it both at different times) who lived 140,000 years ago

The line between facts and fiction shouldn’t be this thin and blurry

Come on people what’s going on?

Lols. You obviously haven't read his book. I already gave some of the reasons above.

If that book was written by a white author, it would have become a bestseller in no time with the author commanding millions of fans and followers.

Any smart person that read the book would know there are many facts in it, and many unverified claims as well (like the story of Luwabi above).

Who has now mixed up facts with fictions?

macof:


Lmao

This cracked me up, how do you people take these things seriously??
You know there are actual paleontologists and anthropologists right?
Is this Otem one?

Otem says there's a God called the totality of existence




He says the other gods are in a cage yet that other guy is saying Otem doesn't promote the existence of Gods


Otem is confused

https://www.nairaland.com/3780438/eta-ntagba

A guy that can put something so profound as the one in that thread together is nothing but a genius. Then, such a feat isn't even humanly possible (to formulate several contents like that) and still invent a new language that looks natural without any help from an early or higher being that religious people call god.

Considering all this, some are still wondering why Otem's fans on Nairaland take him seriously. Lols.

At least, I've been following his works since 2017.

Crystyano:



Otem says there's a God called the totality of existence




He says the other gods are in a cage yet that other guy is saying Otem doesn't promote the existence of Gods


Otem is confused

Yes, he says many of gods of religions have been subjected to a cage in the spiritual realm with their consciousness frozen scientifically (made unconscious) by the gods that are science-oriented because we're in the Age of Aquarius where organized religion will decline drastically and science and technology will grow exponentially.

That's a bold claim, which might be true or not. Whether in a cage or not, I have not seen any signs showing Allah, Jehovah, and the other gods of religions he talked about are in existence consciously.

If you're widely read, you'd know when the writer was still a Christian, there were few other people who aren't even Nigerian who also made the claim that some gods have caged the consciousness (soul) of their contemporaries worshipped in religions as God.

I can share one of the books with you written in 2012 (it's online) by an European author, four years before Otem started compiling his own book, which was released in 2018.

Now, where did Otem promote any god in particular? Where did he tell you to worship a particular god or you don't know a promoter of a god tells people to worship his own god as the only true God?

Where did he tell you this?

The Otemic philosophy has a unique perspective on God, which he calls the totality of existence or a great source of energy or a great consciousness without a specific form, name, religion, language, tribe.

You don't expect an author who compiled that book of history not to write a chapter on the Source or Origin of all things in existence or the First Cause.

The thread below details his scientific model (which even looks wondrous) describing this God he talks about. If you even research the sign (that looks like the DNA structure) he uses to represent God, you'll be able trace its origin to ancient Egypt.

https://www.nairaland.com/5994369/book-basotesh

He calls this God by other names in the book such as the Universe, the interconnectivity of all things, and it's not something to be worshipped or prayed to.

So your assertion is absurd.

Or where did he tell you to worship this unknown God he talks about or that the God wants you to worship it?

When it comes to God's existence or non-existence, the agnostic position is the best as far as I'm concerned.

A001:
https://www.nairaland.com/3780438/eta-ntagba

A guy that can put something so profound as the one in that thread together is nothing but a genius. Then, such a feat isn't even humanly possible (to formulate several contents like that) and still invent a new language that looks natural without any help from an early or higher being that religious people call god.

Considering all this, some are still wondering why Otem's fans on Nairaland take him seriously. Lols.

At least, I've been following his works since 2017.

Yes, he says many of gods of religions have been subjected to a cage in the spiritual realm with their consciousness frozen scientifically (made unconscious) by the gods that are science-oriented because we're in the Age of Aquarius where organized religion will decline drastically and science and technology will grow exponentially.

That's a bold claim, which might be true or not. Whether in a cage or not, I have not seen any signs showing Allah, Jehovah, and the other gods of religions he talked about are in existence consciously.

If you're widely read, you'd know when the writer was still a Christian, there were few other people who aren't even Nigerian who also made the claim that some gods have caged the consciousness (soul) of their contemporaries worshipped in religions as God.

I can share one of the books with you written in 2012 (it's online) by an European author, four years before Otem started compiling his own book, which was released in 2018.

Now, where did Otem promote any god in particular? Where did he tell you to worship a particular god or you don't know a promoter of a god tells people to worship his own god as the only true God?

Where did he tell you this?

The Otemic philosophy has a unique perspective on God, which he calls the totality of existence or a great source of energy or a great consciousness without a specific form, religion, language, tribe.

You don't expect an author who compiled that book of history not to write a chapter on the Source or Origin of all things in existence or the First Cause.

The thread below details his scientific model (which even looks wondrous) describing this God he talks about. If you even research the sign (that looks like the DNA structure) he uses to represent God, you'll be able trace its origin to ancient Egypt.

https://www.nairaland.com/5994369/book-basotesh

He calls this God by other names in the book such as the Universe, the interconnectivity of all things, and it's not something to be worshipped or prayed to.

So your assertion is absurd.

Or where did he tell you to worship this unknown God he talks about or that the God wants you to worship him?

When it comes to God's existence or non-existence, the agnostic position is the best as far as I'm concerned.

If your definition of promotion is 'tell to worship"

Then , I don't have to make sense to you with the word 'promotion'


Well
I don't think there's a First Cause
I don't think there's anything like 'all things'



You wanna know why??



It's because Otem himself told me he assumes that existence is a sequence with a beginning




I don't have to ASSUME


I can deduce from my observation of the impossibility of anything to exist alongside nothing THAT there's no limit or there's neither a beginning nor an end towards what is real

Crystyano:



If your definition of promotion is 'tell to worship"

Then , I don't have to make sense to you with the word 'promotion'


Well
I don't think there's a First Cause
I don't think there's anything like 'all things'



You wanna know why??



It's because Otem himself told me he assumes that existence is a sequence with a beginning




I don't have to ASSUME


I can deduce from my observation of the impossibility of anything to exist alongside nothing THAT there's no limit or there's neither a beginning nor an end towards what is real

Okay. Can you post where he made the highlighted assumption here?

In his book and threads, he never said anything about assuming.

MaxInDHouse:


Naaaaaaaaaaaaa!
Christianity didn't spread through England and Rome, it's the Bible that the true God allowed those robbers to transport throughout the earth. As for Christianity it came when Jehovah's Witnesses first knock on your door!

Jesus never asked his followers to force the book or it's teaching on anyone, so if what you know today was forced down your throat then know that it has nothing to do with Christianity!

Are you preaching and teaching from house to house?
Do you separate yourselves from worldly politics?
Do you associate with a global family of peace loving worshipers?
Do you know that it's a crime to carry weapons for any reason whatsoever?
Those are the teachings of Jesus Christ of Nazareth so if you're not practicing those things then you were misinformed!

Do you know what Crusade Is?

MaxInDHouse:

Those people weren't "Christians" but "misinformed churchgoers" and the true God used them to transport His word throughout the earth but the message wasn't known until Jehovah's Witnesses started preaching and teaching what Jesus taught in the first century.

There is a difference between having the book and knowing what the book teaches!

Your god couldn’t use the Christians to transports the gospels? He had to use killers? I i

A001:

Lols. You obviously haven't read his book. I already gave some of the reasons above.

If that book was written by a white author, it would have become a bestseller in no time with the author commanding millions of fans and followers.

Any smart person that read the book would know there are many facts in it, and many unverified claims as well (like the story of Luwabi above).

Who has now mixed up facts with fictions?

Oh i have nothing against the book being a best seller
But you know it can’t be taken seriously if the author doesn’t know the difference between fiction and fact? You can’t write a good fiction and try to sell it as facts and expect people to take you seriously

Frank herbert who wrote Dune did not claim he was writing facts
Jk.rowlings who wrote Harry Potter didnt claim it was facts
J.r.r. Tolkien who wrote the lord of the rings didn’t claim it was real events
George R.R. Martin who wrote the Song of Ice and Fire series didn’t claim he was telling the history of the world

Africans like Chinua Achebe who wrote Things fall apart didn’t calm Okonkwo was his ancestor or someone from his village
Chimamanda Ngozi Adichie who wrote half of a yellow sun didn’t claim she was giving account of the biafran war

Maybe you should seek good authors who know what they are writing then your authors will be best sellers stop hiding under the guise of racism, tell your man to write a good book
If there are many facts do well to highlight the facts because all you have said are just hilarious make believe and fantasy

macof:


Oh i have nothing against the book being a best seller
But you know it can’t be taken seriously if the author doesn’t know the difference between fiction and fact? You can’t write a good fiction and try to sell it as facts and expect people to take you seriously

Frank herbert who wrote Dune did not claim he was writing facts
Jk.rowlings who wrote Harry Potter didnt claim it was facts
J.r.r. Tolkien who wrote the lord of the rings didn’t claim it was real events
George R.R. Martin who wrote the Song of Ice and Fire series didn’t claim he was telling the history of the world

Africans like Chinua Achebe who wrote Things fall apart didn’t calm Okonkwo was his ancestor or someone from his village
Chimamanda Ngozi Adichie who wrote half of a yellow sun didn’t claim she was giving account of the biafran war

Maybe you should seek good authors who know what they are writing then your authors will be best sellers stop hiding under the guise of racism, tell your man to write a good book
If there are many facts do well to highlight the facts because all you have said are just hilarious make believe and fantasy

Lols. Do you have this book? Have you read it? How many pages are in it?

I'm sure you can't answer any of these questions because you don't have it and haven't read it.

Africans are a funny lot. Who criticizes or comments on a book he hasn't read? SMH.

It's glaring you've not even read it.

You can keep your opinions about the book (you don't know anything about) to yourself. They're of no use to me.

The author has given the appropriate title to his book. No one cares whether you regard it as a book of facts or fictions.

That's up to the individual reader to decide.

A001:

Lols. Do you have this book? Have you read it? How many pages are in it?

I'm sure you can't answer any of these questions because you don't have it and haven't read it.

Africans are a funny lot. Who criticizes or comments on a book he hasn't read? SMH.

It's glaring you've not even read it.

You can keep your opinions about the book (you don't know anything about) to yourself. They're of no use to me.

The author has given the appropriate title to his book. No one cares whether you regard it as a book of facts or fictions.

That's up to the individual reader to decide.

Is it not the book you got this information from? Abi my eyes dey pain me?

A001:

The literarure claims Luwabi lived about 140,000 years ago in the homo sapiens era as a reincarnated homo erectus.

Based on the available bodies of (dated) archeological evidence, the homo erectus era spanned around 2 million years (starting from Africa), while the current homo sapiens era started about 280,000 years ago from Africa.

We're currently in the 282,021th year of the homo sapiens era according to some classifications.

Anyone that has truly read the histories of Luwabi in that book will observe an interesting level of depth and consistency in them that make the stories look convincing and profound.

According to the histories, when Luwabi reincarnated as a homo sapiens, he even retained his writing skills as a giant homo erectus (using codes to represent signs on leaves), deep thinking and critical thinking ability, and philosophical skills and started exhibiting these things right from 10 years of age that people around him said he was a prodigy, or a genius, or the return of Ifa.

(In this part of the world and around the world, we heard by oral tales while growing up that the ancients were giants.)

It appears reincarnated people retain some of their skills and abilities/knowledge from their past life.

There's something about the histories in the book that make it look believable. Hence, I consider it very possible that Luwabi might have lived in the ancient past of Yorubaland.

But one may not really know these things for sure, considering the length of time (over 140,000 years ago) and also due to the fact that most of the histories of our forefathers in this part of the world are lost or never recorded/documented.

Then again, those patches of leaves the book said he wrote on wouldn't be able to last for that long, not even 100 years let alone 140,000.

I don't think anyone living today can trace his genealogy back to hundreds, thousands of years in the past (except Otem who says he knows his history right from the Beginning; he posted it on one of his threads and contains his encounters with Olorun, quite interesting with some scientific aspects).

If interested, you may check it here, quite fascinating and with a lot of depth: https://www.nairaland.com/4462945/otem-sapiens-historical-account-saviour

This inability of most living people today to trace their genealogy back to several years in the past shows a majority of the histories of our forefathers are lost or never recorded/documented.

The book narrates Orunmila (being a giant humanoid from the beginning) had reincarnated as a homo sapiens as a reciter of the verses of Ifa (Ifa had reincarnated before him as a homo sapiens) some 100,000 years in the homo sapiens era after Luwabi came back to Earth again the second time — and that there was even a writer with the name Sodeke that lived in this region within 265,000 – 280,000 years of the homo sapiens epoch as a reteller of the stories of Luwabi.

According to the book, there was even a flood era about 195,000 – 230,000 years ago in different parts parts of the world where many histories of people and world events were lost.

So far, there's been no scientific evidence that a flood era had once occurred on Earth but that doesn't mean there was no such era.

Ifaodu verses, for all their greatness and rich ideas and fascinating use of the language, don't contain detailed information about the different human species in history (homo sapiens, homo erectus, and earlier species) mainly because many of our forefathers weren't scientifically inclined and couldn't develop dating technologies like the whites.

For instance, when talking about Sango or Ogun, no information is given whether he's a nephilim, anakim, rephalm, homo erectus, etc. That classification is highly important for scholarly works and critical analyses.

In that aspect, Otem's book of history has done a wonderful job based on my own critique.

You have already told everyone what the book is about in many of your comments not just this one. You have stated the book knows some “homo erectus” and reincarnated “homo sapiens” who lived between 100,000 - 300,000 years ago by name
You have stated there were floods between 195,000 -230,000 years ago which destroyed civilisations and historical records

Like lmao how the hell is this even an issue you are trying to pass as facts? Or are there actual facts you are yet to mention?

Now i will ask you this because before you are even able to identify a fact in the book you need to have already known about the information being presented, you can’t know a new information to be fact without prior knowledge of the subject matter
So i ask, have you ever read actual history, anthropology, palaeontology or evolutionary biology books? Maybe text books or academic journals by experts in the fields?
Or you just take otem’s word for it? Is this book the first book you would ever read?

So do tell me the facts because so far you have done a horrible PR for Otem or go call otem himself here since you say he’s on nairaland

Lol come and stop me from talking about it
Look at you get so worked up and emotional
Are you in a cult? Is this book some kind of precursor to a cult initiation?

macof:


Is it not the book you got this information from? Abi my eyes dey pain me?

Can you mention where I told you the Luwabi stories in the book are historical facts?

It seems some so-called educated people here don't know the meaning of possibility, might, claim.

You can read my comments again. But this time, have a dictionary handy to clarify the meaning of those words in bold.

macof:


Like lmao how the hell is this even an issue you are trying to pass as facts? Or are there actual facts you are yet to mention?

A standard dictionary will help you know what's called a fact because you obviously don't know the difference between a fact and a claim.

Again, quote where I said the Luwabi history in that book is a historical fact.

macof:

So do tell me the facts because so far you have done a horrible PR for Otem or go call otem himself here since you say he’s on nairaland

Nairaland and silly remarks.

So I'm doing PR for the book, and other two I shared above and those sites? Lols. Because when you get the book or visit the sites, I get to earn some commission?

Lols. This is so hilariously silly!

It's not my business whether you read any book mentioned here or not.

Expressions like if you're interested, if that's necessary, the author claims, in my comments show you don't even know what's called a PR.

macof:

Are you in a cult? Is this book some kind of precursor to a cult initiation?

Are you the founder of this cult that only exists in your head?

If all it takes to become a cultist is to read a book and go through a language, that means many doctors and professors that work as archeologists, egyptologists, and linguists are cultists since many of such people have worked with and translated strange languages in the writings of ancient Egyptians, Sumeria, Mesopotamia.

Heck, students even study these things in school. They've automatically become cultists.

See childish thinking lols

A001:

Okay. Can you post where he made the highlighted assumption here?

In his book and threads, he never said anything about assuming.

I wish I could remember the exact thread


But you can actually swallow and digest Otem's words

Don't forget to take cold wine after that



It's an achievement, right?

Crystyano:



I wish I could remember the exact thread

You can't remember what's only a product of your imagination that doesn't exist in reality.

Crystyano:

But you can actually swallow and digest Otem's words

Omo ode, when I don't swallow books in my areas of discipline, why will I swallow any other book?

When this your new moniker is banned because of your stupid posts, you'll soon delete it like the other one.

Crystyano:

It's an achievement, right?

Ask Google. It may help cure your mental health problems.

macof:


Is it not the book you got this information from? Abi my eyes dey pain me?



You have already told everyone what the book is about in many of your comments not just this one. You have stated the book knows some “homo erectus” and reincarnated “homo sapiens” who lived between 100,000 - 300,000 years ago by name
You have stated there were floods between 195,000 -230,000 years ago which destroyed civilisations and historical records

Like lmao how the hell is this even an issue you are trying to pass as facts? Or are there actual facts you are yet to mention?

Now i will ask you this because before you are even able to identify a fact in the book you need to have already known about the information being presented, you can’t know a new information to be fact without prior knowledge of the subject matter
So i ask, have you ever read actual history, anthropology, palaeontology or evolutionary biology books? Maybe text books or academic journals by experts in the fields?
Or you just take otem’s word for it? Is this book the first book you would ever read?

So do tell me the facts because so far you have done a horrible PR for Otem or go call otem himself here since you say he’s on nairaland

Lol come and stop me from talking about it
Look at you get so worked up and emotional
Are you in a cult? Is this book some kind of precursor to a cult initiation?

The guy is Otem defending his arrant bullshit and then pretending that he doesn’t believe it.
Imagine a “free thinker” promoting revelations as knowledge or something worth venerating. A f#ckng joke. He has multiple accounts for the absurd ruse.

The confused, jobless JW slave doing what he knows how to do best on Nairaland: posting foolish comments.

Otem is the nemesis of the religious slaves

A001:

You can't remember what's only a product of your imagination that doesn't exist in reality.


Omo ode, when I don't swallow books in my areas of discipline, why will I swallow any other book?

When this your new moniker is banned because of your stupid posts, you'll soon delete it like the other one.


Ask Google. It may help cure your mental health problems.

Say it again

A001:

Can you mention where I told you the Luwabi stories in the book are historical facts?

It seems some so-called educated people here don't know the meaning of possibility, might, claim.

You can read my comments again. But this time, have a dictionary handy to clarify the meaning of those words in bold.

A standard dictionary will help you know what's called a fact because you obviously don't know the difference between a fact and a claim.

Again, quote where I said the Luwabi history in that book is a historical fact.

Nairaland and silly remarks.

So I'm doing PR for the book, and other two I shared above and those sites? Lols. Because when you get the book or visit the sites, I get to earn some commission?

Lols. This is so hilariously silly!

It's not my business whether you read any book mentioned here or not.

Expressions like if you're interested, if that's necessary, the author claims, in my comments show you don't even know what's called a PR.


Are you the founder of this cult that only exists in your head?

If all it takes to become a cultist is to read a book and go through a language, that means many doctors and professors that work as archeologists, egyptologists, and linguists are cultists since many of such people have worked with and translated strange languages in the writings of ancient Egyptians, Sumeria, Mesopotamia.

Heck, students even study these things in school. They've automatically become cultists.

See childish thinking lols

let me be honest, you are the childish one here acting like a bi*ch over a book written by someone else. or are you otem himself pretending to be someone else? either that or you have built a cult personality around otem

you made several statements about the content of the book trying to teach us what the book says telling us it has a lot of depth. I asked you why would anybody take any of that seriously and you told me Otem is a genius who wrote many facts. And so far all you have said are what you are now saying are not facts but mere "possibilities, claims" lmao

isn't that why i said all you have said so far is best fiction and not fact...did i not ask you to tell us the facts in the book?

you have the chance now to tell us the facts in the book.. or there are no facts??

A001:

Before I can engage in any further discussion with you on the book, you'd have to read what you're criticizing (if you think that's necessary).

It's unreasonable to criticise and critique literature you know next to nothing about its content, merely judging the book by its cover.

So, I won't be engaging you further on this matter. It's a waste time.

Again, you don't know anything about the book or the author you're criticizing or his sources.

I don't see the point in answering this question when the reasonable thing for you to do is to learn about what you're criticizing.

But you've not done that; you just made hasty conclusions replete with fallacious and erroneous statements.

I won't clarify anything. I don't see why that's necessary.

It's a waste of time for me to be discussing a book or an author with you, who you know little about but have already reached conclusions hastily, ignorantly.

Again, you're speaking from the position of ignorance about the literature. The reasonable thing is to first learn about the book, the author, and who his sources are.

In the 2018 edition that the author sent to many on Nairaland, the chapter on Orunmila hasn't been decoded at all from the original language of the revelations. The author says there will be a new edition soon.

I won't be engaging you further on this Otem's book unless you first learn about what you're criticizing (that's if you think doing so is necessary) .

You sound like the average religionist when discussing all these deities and prefer to talk about them as supernatural, spiritual beings, who are objects of great mystery.

But I don't like such an approach. It's not healthy for intellectual discourse on the subject because it seeks to obfuscate information on these deities so they can't be scrutinized.

That's one reason why I consider Otem's book a seminal work because the author or his sources don't approach things supernaturally or spiritually but practically and scientifically.

They're revealing the lost histories and the identity of all these gods and goddesses people worship and regard as supernatural entities.

Anyone that reads this book and research some of the claims of the author will stop being an adherent of a religion and looking at these deities superstitiously and supernaturally.

The approach of the author encourages skepticism, carrying out research on claims before taking them as truth, and critical thinking.

That's an encouraging attitude for pedagogy and intellectualism, especially in this part of the world where critical thinkers are few and far between.

This classification is vague, nothing concrete. It's better you learn the scientific methods of classifying human species. Those are comprehensive.

They're more detailed and give an estimate of the various epochs of humanity.
For a start, these links can help:
https://humanorigins.si.edu/education/introduction-human-evolution

https://humanorigins.si.edu/research/age-humans-evolutionary-perspectives-anthropocene

These aspects of science and evolution of humans covered in those resources are an ongoing research areas and subject to further improvement in the future like every other discipline in science.

Combining these sources with great works like Otem's book and "Sapiens: a Brief History of Humankind" by Yuval Noah Harari, an Israeli professor of History (free copy is available online), will educate anyone that seeks to learn (with an open mind) the history of humanity on this planet.

Otem's book traces the origin of humanity to all these gods and goddesses (deities) worshipped in religions and also evolution. It takes the origin back to at least 3.5 billion years ago (unlike millions of years in mainstream science) and provides a unique system of classification, different from the conventional ones used by mainstream scientists but with similarities.

According to the literature, the origin of humanity lies in both intelligent design and evolution, and not only evolution according to mainstream science.

I also share these views with the author, but so far, no scientific evidence is available to show both intelligent design and evolution are responsible for humans' origin.

The available bodies of data (evidence) are only in support of evolution for now.

With time and more understanding of the universe, scientists will make breakthroughs in these areas and the truth will be known.

We're yet to explore 99% of the universe, which means much more mysteries in the universe are unknown, which is why we need more people to become scientists instead of religionists.

The native classification has its importance and uses. But the modern classifications and scientific methods and techniques are better and more detailed.

Crucial aspects of classifying humans are dating technologies and genetic science. Both are lacking in the corpus.

The statement is clear enough. Reading a book like Otem's will teach African Christians and Muslims the true histories of the gods they worship, encourage them to research about the origin of their religions (which is African traditional religions and others predating Christianity), and respect and value the native cultures and traditions.

The author says he was sent by the pagan gods and goddesses of Africa to connect Africans back to their roots.

The majority of Christians and Muslims don't know that almost all the practices in their religions have their roots in paganism, in Africa.

Personally, the interest I now have in our local cultures and traditions is because I read the book and did my own research on the author's assertions.

Until some years ago, I didn't know much about the Yoruba religion even though I'm Yoruba. That's why I consider Otem's book a masterpiece.

What I have learnt in some years now and —what I'm still learning — about our cultures is due to the fact that I read the book. If not, I'd still continue to see the beautiful indigenous cultures as demonic because of religious indoctrination from childhood.

Anyone who sees his native culture as evil or demonic is in the mental slavery of (foreign) religion.

The screenshots are spot-on .

1. Honestly, I have seen the posted part on NL but pay no attention .

Beside, anything written that defamed Orunmielaa is not worth reading for me since I am familiar with many of the world's oldest foremost ancient religion.

Seriously, I am more vast than such assumption based thesis on Orunmielaa. So, Otem written is far below what I have read and not necessarily needed for me.

You may call pride but I donot see it that way since I am very knowledgeable on Africa's different ethnic groups history be it religious aspect,economic development, science etc.

Lastly, I hope and wish you the best but know that Ifaodu acknowledge other religion both Christianity and Islam existence but disagrees with Islam even if these two have history and account in Ifaodu Corpus. So, I see no reason I should overstretch myself on what does not conform with Ifaodu corpus

Olu317:

1. Honestly, I have seen the posted part on NL but pay no attention .

Beside, anything written that defamed Orunmielaa is not worth reading for me since I am familiar with many of the world's oldest foremost ancient religion.

Seriously, I am more vast than such assumption based thesis on Orunmielaa. So, Otem written is far below what I have read and not necessarily needed for me.

You may call pride but I donot see it that way since I am very knowledgeable on Africa's different ethnic groups history be it religious aspect,economic development, science etc.

Lastly, I hope and wish you the best but know that Ifaodu acknowledge other religion both Christianity and Islam existence but disagrees with Islam even if these two have history and account in Ifaodu Corpus. So, I see no reason I should overstretch myself on what does not conform with Ifaodu corpus

Okay.

macof:

let me be honest, you are the childish one here acting like a bi*ch over a book written by someone else. or are you otem himself pretending to be someone else? either that or you have built a cult personality around otem

you made several statements about the content of the book trying to teach us what the book says telling us it has a lot of depth. I asked you why would anybody take any of that seriously and you told me Otem is a genius who wrote many facts. And so far all you have said are what you are now saying are not facts but mere "possibilities, claims" lmao

isn't that why i said all you have said so far is best fiction and not fact...did i not ask you to tell us the facts in the book?

you have the chance now to tell us the facts in the book.. or there are no facts??

You're quite confused and contradicting yourself, Mr cultist. You continue to talk ignorantly about a subject you know nothing about, looking for a cult where there's none.

This thread is not a critical review of the book as the title of the thread shows; hence, any further discussion on the book, whether it's facts or fiction, is derailing the thread IMO.

I have got the answers to some of my questions earlier (related to certain claims in Otem's book) on this thread and in the book about Orunmila and Socrates.

If you need to read the critical review of the literature, when anyone of the readers feels like creating a thread on that, you might know.

Then, I don't know why I should waste my time answering your questions when you can look for your own answers yourself and form your cult personality around the writer as you wish.

While some readers (myself not inclusive) have suggested creating a group of freethinkers on one of Otem's threads, the writer clearly warned them to make sure the group doesn't become a cult.

Still, there are various public groups of freethinkers and atheists on WhatsApp and Facebook for interested people.

You can rest with your cult idea now. It only exists in your imagination.

A001:

You're quite confused and contradicting yourself, Mr cultist. You continue to talk ignorantly about a subject you know nothing about, looking for a cult where there's none.

This thread is not a critical review of the book as the title of the thread shows; hence, any further discussion on the book, whether it's facts or fiction, is derailing the thread IMO.

I have got the answers to some of my questions earlier (related to certain claims in Otem's book) on this thread and in the book about Orunmila and Socrates.

If you need to read the critical review of the literature, when anyone of the readers feels like creating a thread on that, you might know.

Then, I don't know why I should waste my time answering your questions when you can look for your own answers yourself and form your cult personality around the writer as you wish.

While some readers (myself not inclusive) have suggested creating a group of freethinkers on one of Otem's threads, the writer clearly warned them to make sure the group doesn't become a cult.

Still, there are various public groups of freethinkers and atheists on WhatsApp and Facebook for interested people.

You can rest with your cult idea now. It only exists in your imagination.

oh please highlight the contradiction

You are the one who started talking about what Otem said …he said this, he said that. When asked for facts you start crying
Next time if you don’t want people to comment on what your master Otem says don’t mention him. You can’t bring up topics in public and not expect reactions

lmao you guys even have whatsapp and facebook group . is that where you learnt all these things you were teaching earlier

A001:


For instance, the early settlers on this planet in Yorubaland were Olohun, Osun, Oya, Yemoja, and the likes, all of which are humanoids (giant human-like entities) who molded early humans in their image as their slaves or worshippers.

The same thing applies to all cultures around the world, including Ibo, Israel, Arab, and others. Each culture as its own unique gods and goddesses that created early humans in that part of the world.

But some of these humanoids also reincarnated as homo erectus and homo sapiens.

Before the homo erectus and homo sapiens eras, there are many pieces of evidence in various parts of the world showing a race of ancient humanoids or aliens had existed on this planet some billions of years ago.

These are gods worshipped as God today in various world's religions. They're advanced beings or higher beings or early beings.

Thanks to great books like Otem's, the one shared above, and many other resources online, it's now known that all the entities worshipped as a deity around the world, including Yorubaland, Arab, etc. are the ancestors of early humans.

Olohun is the ancestor of Yorubas, just like Allah and Jehovah are the ancestors of Arabs and Israelites respectively with each claiming the title of God.

That these entities are human-like beings is quite clear if one examines their human-like traits in Yoruba oral cultures, Qur'an and the Bible respectively.

my brother, you are in a cult and you don't even know