Revelation 20:14
[14]And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.

Are hell and death something that could be cast and burn in fire?
Or does the lake of fire symbolise something else?

cornelboy:

Revelation 20:14
[14]And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.

Is hell and death something that could be cast and burn in fire?
Or does the lake of fire symbolise something else?

Surely misinformed Churchgoers can't answer this because they don't even agree on whether their so called Hellfire is metaphorical or literal. So if you ask an average Churchgoer how the dead will be tormented since the dead have no feelings they become provoked!

And the “Jehovah” witnesses won’t tell us where they got the name “Jehovah” which is foreign in the Hebrew Bible and only appears in the king James VERSION. What’s surprising is that king James VERSION was also created by a “Jehovah” witness.

Where did “Jehovah” witnesses see “Jehovah” from?

SHALOM!

cornelboy:

Revelation 20:14
[14]And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.

Is hell and death something that could be cast and burn in fire?
Or does the lake of fire symbolise something else?

YOU HAVE A PROBLEM COMPREHENDING THE BIBLE, BECAUSE YOU NEVER BELIEVED THE BIBLE FROM THE BEGINNING!

. GENESIS 1:1-28.

IN The Beginning
God created the Heaven
and the Earth.
2. And the Earth was
without form, and void;
and Darkness was upon
the Face of the Deep.
And The Spirit of God
moved upon
the Face of the Waters.
3. And God Said,

"Let there be light:
and there was light."

4. And God saw the Light,
that it was Good:
and God divided the Light
from the Darkness.
5. And God called the Light Day,
and the Darkness
He called Night.
And the evening
and the morning were
the First Day.
6. And God Said,

"Let there be a Firmament
in the midst of the Waters,
and let it divide the Waters
from the Waters.

7. And God made
the Firmament,
and divided the waters
which were under
the Firmament from
the Waters which were
above the Firmament:
and it was so.
8. And God called
the Firmament Heaven.

And the evening
and the morning
were the Second Day.

9. And God Said,

"Let the waters
under the Heaven
be gathered together
unto one place,
and let the dry land appear:"

and it was so.
10. And God called
the dry land Earth;
and the gathering together
of the waters
called He Seas:
and God saw that it was Good.

11. And God Said,

"Let the Earth bring forth grass,
the herb yielding seed,
and the fruit tree yielding fruit
after his kind,
whose seed is in itself,
upon the Earth:"

and it was so.
12. And the Earth
brought forth grass,
and herb yielding seed
after his kind,
and the tree yielding fruit,
whose seed was in itself,
after his kind:
and God saw that it was Good.
13. And the evening
and the morning
were the Third Day.

14. And God Said,

"Let there be Lights
in the Firmament of the Heaven
to divide the day from the night;
and let them be for Signs,
and for Seasons,
and for days, and years:
15. "And let them be for lights
in the Firmament of the Heaven
to give light upon the Earth:"

and it was so.
16. And God made
two Great Lights;
the Greater Light
to rule the day,
and the Lesser Light
to rule the night:
He made the Stars also.
17. And God set them
in the Firmament of the Heaven
to give light upon the Earth,
18. And to rule over the day
and over the night,
and to divide the Light
from the Darkness:
and God saw that it was Good.

19. And the evening
and the morning
were the Fourth Day.

creeping thing
that creepeth upon the Earth."

20. And God Said,

"Let the waters bring forth abundantly
the moving creature that hath life,
and fowl that may fly above the Earth
in the open Firmament of Heaven."

21. And God created great whales,
and every living creature that moveth,
which the waters brought forth abundantly,
after their kind,
and every winged fowl after his kind:
and God Saw that it was Good.
22. And God Blessed them,
Saying,

"Be fruitful, and multiply,
and fill the waters in the seas,
and let fowl multiply in the Earth."

23. And the evening and the morning
were the fifth day.

24. And God Said,

"Let the Earth bring forth
the living creature after his kind,
cattle, and creeping thing,
and Beast of the Earth
after his kind:"

and it was so.
25. And God made
the Beast of the Earth
after his kind,
and cattle after their kind,
and every thing that creepeth
upon the Earth after his kind:
and God saw
that it was Good.

26. And God Said,

"Let us make Man in Our Image,
after Our Likeness:
and let them have Dominion
over the Fish of the Sea,
and over the Fowl of the Air,
and over the Cattle,
and over all the Earth,
and over every creeping thing
that creepeth upon the Earth."

27. So God created Man
in His Own Image,
in The Image of God created He him;
male and female created He them.
28. And God Blessed them,
and God Said unto them,

"Be fruitful, and multiply,
and replenish the Earth,
and subdue It:
and have Dominion
over the Fish of the Sea,
and over the Fowl of the Air,
and over every Living Thing
that moveth upon the Earth."

IF YOU HAD READ THE BIBLE FROM THE BEGINNING, YOU WOULD KNOW THAT GOD CREATES THINGS BY SPEAKING THEM INTO EXISTENCE.

. JOHN 1:1-14.

IN The Beginning was The Word,
and The Word was with God,
and The Word was God.
2. The same was in
The Beginning with God.
3. All things were made by Him;
and without Him
was not any thing made
that was made.
4. In Him was Life;
and The Life was The Light of Men.
5. And the light shineth in Darkness;
and The Darkness
comprehended it not.

6. There was a man sent from God,
whose name was John.
7. The same came for a witness,
to bear witness of The Light,
that all men through him
might believe.
8. He was not That Light,
but was sent
to bear witness of That Light.

9. That was The True Light,
Which lighteth every man
that cometh into the World.

10. He was in the World,
and the World was made by him,
and the World knew him not.
11. He came unto his own,
and his own received him not.
12. But as many as received him,
to them gave he Power
to become the Sons of God,
even to them
that believe on his Name:
13. Which were Born,
not of blood,
nor of the Will of the Flesh,
nor of the Will of Man,
but of God.
14. And the Word was made Flesh,
and dwelt among us,
[and we beheld his Glory,
the Glory as of
the only begotten of The Father,]
full of Grace and Truth.

THERE ARE TWO GREEK TERMS THAT ARE FRAUDULENTLY TRANSLATED "WORD" IN THE ENGLISH BIBLE.

(1) LOGOS: The Recorded Word (3056). Reasoning, Motive, Computation.

(2) RHEMA: The Spoken Word (4487). Utterance, Matter, Topic.

. DIANETICS AXIOMS.

THE Source of Life is a static
of peculiar and particular properties

[A LIFE STATIC has no size,
no shape, no mass, no temperature,
no frequency, nor any other physical property.]

2. At least a portion of the static
called life is impinged upon
the Physical Universe.
3. That portion of the Static of Life
which is impinged upon
the Physical Universe
has for its Dynamic Goal
SURVIVAL and ONLY Survival.
4. The Physical Universe
is reducible to motion of energy
operating in Space through Time.
5. That portion of the Static of Life
concerned with the Life Organisms
of the Physical Universe
is concerned WHOLLY with MOTION.

22. Theta and Thought
are similar orders of static.
23. All Thought is concerned
with Motion.
26. Thought is accomplished
by Theta Facsimiles
of Physical Universe,
Entities or Actions.

99. Theta Facsimiles can recombine
into new symbols.
100. Language is the symbolization
of effort.
101. Language depends for its force
upon the force which accompanied
its definition.

[Note: Counter-effort, not language, is aberrative.]

109. Behavior is modified
by Counter-Efforts which have
impinged on the Organism.

115. SELF-DETERMINISM is
the Theta Control of the Organism.
116. A SELF-DETERMINED EFFORT
is that Counter-Effort
which has been received
into the Organism in the Past
and integrated into the organism
for its Conscious Use.

121. Every Thought has been preceded
by Physical Action.
122. The Mind does with Thought
as it has done with entities
in the Physical Universe.

127. All perceptions reaching
the organism's sense channels
are recorded and stored by Theta Facsimile.

Definition: Perception is the process
of recording data from
the Physical Universe and storing it
as a Theta Facsimile.

Definition: Recall is the process
of regaining Perceptions.
128. Any organism can recall
everything which it has perceived.

. SCIENTOLOGY AXIOMS 1-12.

Life is basically a Static.

Definition: a Life Static has
no mass,
no motion, no wavelength,
no location in space or in time.
It has the ability to postulate and to perceive.

2. The Static is capable of Considerations,
Postulates, and Opinions.
3. Space, Energy, Objects, Form,
and Time are the result of Considerations
made and/or agreed upon or not
by the Static,
and are perceived solely because the Static considers that it can perceive them.
4. Space is a Viewpoint of Dimension.
5. Energy consists of
postulated particles
in Space.
6. Objects consist of grouped particles
and solids.
7. Time is basically a postulate
that Space and particles will persist.
8. The apparency of Time is
the change of position of particles in space.
9. Change is the primary
manifestation of Time.
10. The Highest Purpose in this Universe
is the Creation of an Effect.

11. THE CONSIDERATIONS RESULTING IN
CONDITIONS OF EXISTENCE
ARE FOUR-FOLD.

(a) AS-IS-NESS is the condition of immediate creation without persistence,
and is the condition of existence which exists at the moment of creation
and the moment of destruction, and is different from other considerations
in that it does not contain survival.

(b) ALTER-IS-NESS is the Consideration which introduces change
and therefore time and persistence, into an AS-IS-NESS
to obtain persistency.

(c) IS-NESS is an apparency of existence brought about
by the continuous alteration of an AS-IS-NESS.
This is called, when agreed upon, Reality.

(d) NOT-IS-NESS is the effort
to handle IS-NESS
by reducing its condition
through the use of force.
It is an apparency
and cannot entirely
vanquish an IS-NESS.

12. The Primary Condition
of any Universe is that
two Spaces, Energies,
or Objects must not
occupy the same Space.
When this condition is violated
[Perfect Duplicate]
the Apparency of any Universe
or any part thereof is nulled.

. THE EIGHT DYNAMICS:

1. SELF; 2. FAMILY; 3. GROUPS; 4. ALL MANKIND; 5. ALL LIVING THINGS; 6. THE MEST (Matter, Energy, Space, Time - i.e. PHYSICAL) UNIVERSE; 32. SPIRITS; 40. GOD.

. THE SIX LEVELS OF EXISTENCE.

1. BELIEFS; 2. THOUGHTS; 3. WORDS; 4. PHYSICAL ACTIONS; 5. POSTULATES; 6. TOTAL UNDERSTANDING.

. THE EIGHT LEVELS OF LIFE FORCE.

1. ALPHA, the 7th Heaven.
2. BETA, the 6th Heaven.
3. GAMMA, the 5th Heaven.
4. DELTA, the 4th Heaven.
5. EPSILON, the 3rd Heaven.
6. ZETA, the 2nd Heaven.
7. ETA, the 1st Heaven.
8. THETA, the Earth Universe.

[See: SCIENTOLOGY 0-8: The Book of Basics, by L. Ron Hubbard (1970).]

. THE NINE TIME VECTORS.

PAST to PAST; PAST to PRESENT; PAST to FUTURE.
PRESENT to PAST; PRESENT to PRESENT; PRESENT to FUTURE.
FUTURE to PAST; FUTURE to PRESENT; FUTURE to FUTURE.

[See: EXCALIBUR REVISITED, by Geoffrey Filbert.]

The FACSIMILE is consistent with the New Testament term "LOGOS." In SCIENTOLOGY it means SPIRITUAL ENERGY IMAGE.

Facsimiles are the root Source of everything that Exists, and since the term "LOGOS" is the term used in JOHN 1:1-14, God is a LOGOS.

He created Heaven and Earth by duplicating Himself, and this duplicate created all other things and beings by creating modified duplicates of Himself.

Everything that Exists used to be THE LOGOS. Not just Lord Yeshua. Disciple YOCHANNAN was deliberately trying to mislead us, in telling us that Lord Yeshua was THE LOGOS.

. MARK 8:27-30.

27. And Jesus went out,
and his Disciples,
into the towns
of Caesarea Philippi:
and by the way,
he asked his Disciples,
saying unto them,

"Whom do men say that I am?"

28. And they answered,

"John the Baptist:
but some (say), 'Elias;'
and others,
One of the Prophets.' "

29. And he Saith unto them,

"But whom saith ye that I am?"

And Peter answereth
and saith unto him,

"Thou art The Christ."

30. And he charged them
that they should
tell no man of him.

HE KNEW THAT HE WAS FORBIDDEN FROM TELLING US ABOUT LORD YESHUA'S ATTRIBUTES- LORD YESHUA DECREED THAT WE SHOULD RECEIVE THAT KNOWLEDGE DIRECTLY FROM GOD HIMSELF.

. MATTHEW 11:25-30.

25. At that time Jesus Answered
and Said,

"I thank Thee,
O Father,
Lord of Heaven and Earth,
because thou hast
hid these things
from the wise and prudent,
and hast revealed them
unto babes.
26. "Even so, Father:
for so it seemed Good in Thy Sight.
27. "All things are delivered
unto me
of my Father:
and no man knoweth The Son,
but The Father;
neither knoweth any man The Father,
save The Son,
and he to whomsoever The Son
will reveal him.
28. "Come unto me,
all ye that labour
and are heavy laden,
and I will give you rest.
29. "Take my Yoke upon you,
and learn of me;
for I am meek and lowly in heart:
and ye shall find rest
unto your souls.
30. "For my Yoke is easy,
and my burden is light."

. MATTHEW 16:20.

20. Then charged he his Disciples
that they should tell no man
that he was Jesus The Christ.

. JOHN 6:41-45.

41. The Jews then
murmured at Him,
because he Said,

“I AM THE BREAD
WHICH CAME DOWN
FROM HEAVEN.”

42. And they said,

“Is not this Jesus,
the son of Joseph,
whose father and mother
we know?
How is it then that he Saith,

‘I CAME DOWN
FROM HEAVEN?' "

43. Jesus therefore Answered
and Said unto them,

“Murmur not among yourselves.
44. "No man can come to me
unless The Father
Who hath sent me draw him;
and I will raise him up
at The Last Day.
45. "It is written in The Prophets:

‘AND THEY SHALL BE
ALL TAUGHT BY GOD.’

Every man therefore
that hath heard
and hath learned
From The Father
cometh unto me."

ONLY GOD CAN TELL US WHO LORD YESHUA IS, AND ONLY LORD YESHUA CAN TELL US WHO GOD IS: THOSE WHO TELL YOU WHO LORD YESHUA IS ARE ALL ALWAYS DECEIVERS, WHO ONLY KNOW WHAT MEN (OR WOMEN!) HAVE TOLD THEM.

Anyone who has heard from God would want you to hear from God, also.

If someone insists that you must receive their Revelation of Lord Yeshua from them, and not from God directly, that means that God never revealed It to them, either.

. JOHN 12:42-50.

42. Nevertheless among
the Chief Rulers also
many believed on him;
but because of the Pharisees
they did not confess him,
lest they should be
put out of the Synagogue:
43. For they loved
the praise of men
more than The Praise of God.

44. Jesus Cried and Said,

"He that believeth on me,
believeth not on me,
but on him that sent me.
45. "And he that seeth me
seeth Him that sent me.
46. "I am come a Light
into the World,
that whosoever believeth on me
should not abide in Darkness.
47. "And if any man hear my Words,
and believe not,
I judge him not:
for I came not to Judge the World,
but to save the World.
48. "He that rejecteth me,
and receiveth not my Words,
hath One that Judgeth him:
The Word that I have spoken,
The Same shall Judge him
in The Last Day.
49. "For I have not Spoken of myself;
but The Father Which sent me,
He gave me a Commandment,
what I should Say,
and what I should Speak.
50. "And I know that
His Commandment is Life Everlasting:
whatsoever I Speak therefore,
even as The Father Said unto me,
so I Speak."

ONLY LORD YESHUA'S WORDS ARE RELIABLE: THE WORDS OF NEW TESTAMENT COMMENTATORS ARE NOT RELIABLE.

. LUKE 12:8-12.

8. "Also I Say unto you,

'WHOSOEVER SHALL
CONFESS ME
BEFORE MEN,
HIM SHALL THE SON OF MAN
ALSO CONFESS BEFORE
THE ANGELS OF GOD:
9. 'BUT HE THAT DENIETH ME
BEFORE MEN
SHALL BE DENIED BEFORE
THE ANGELS OF GOD.'

10. "And whosoever
shall speak a word
against the Son of Man,
it shall be forgiven him:
but unto him that blasphemeth
against The Holy Ghost
it shall not be forgiven.
11. "And when they bring you
unto the synagogues,
and unto magistrates,
and powers,
take ye no thought
how or what thing
ye shall answer,
or what ye shall say:
12. "For The Holy Ghost
shall Teach you
in the same hour
what ye ought to say."

DISCIPLE YOCHANNAN DID NOT WANT US TO KNOW THAT LORD YESHUA SAID THAT HE WOULD DENY ANYONE WHO DENIED HIM BEFORE GOD, AND BEFORE THE ANGELS OF GOD.

. JOHN 6:47.

47. "Verily, verily,
I Say unto you,

'HE THAT BELIEVETH ON ME,
HATH EVERLASTING LIFE.' "

. JOHN 14:12.

12. "Verily, verily,
I Say unto you,

'HE THAT BELIEVETH ON ME,
THE WORKS THAT I DO
SHALL HE DO ALSO;
AND GREATER WORKS
THAN THESE SHALL HE DO;
BECAUSE I GO
UNTO MY FATHER.' "

IF YOU DO NOT DO THE WORKS OF LORD YESHUA, THEN YOU DO NOT HAVE EVERLASTING LIFE, EITHER!

There are five distinct steps to be negotiated, before one attains EVERLASTING LIFE.

. THE TEN TALENTS OF POWER. (Matt. 25)

(1) TOTAL RECALL.
(2) EXTRASENSORY PERCEPTION.
(3) TELEKINESIS.
(4) TELEPORTATION.
(5) TRANSLATION.
(6-10) EVERLASTING LIFE.

These steps take at least ONE YEAR EACH to rehabilitate. The Y'sraelites were supposed to have attained all these "TALENTS" during their teenage years.

TO ONE WHO HAS EVERLASTING LIFE, EVERYTHING THAT HAS A NAME IS A DISCRETE ENTITY, WITH LIFE.

. MATTHEW 12:22-28.

22. Then was
brought unto him
one possessed
with a Devil,
blind, and dumb:
and he healed him,
insomuch that
the blind and dumb
both spake and saw.
23. And all the people
were amazed,
and said,

"Is not this
The Son of David?"

24. But when
the Pharisees heard it,
they said,

"This fellow doth not
cast out devils,
but by Beelzebub
the Prince of the Devils."

25. And Jesus knew their thoughts,
and Said unto them,

"Every kingdom
divided against itself
is brought to desolation;
and every city or house
divided against itself
shall not stand:
26. "And if Satan
cast out Satan,
he is divided
against himself;
how shall then
his Kingdom stand?
27. "And if I by Beelzebub
cast out Devils,
by whom do your children
cast them out?
therefore they shall be
your judges.
28. "But if I cast out Devils
by the Spirit of God,
then The Kingdom of God
is come unto you."

HELL IS AN ENTITY, AND DEATH IS AN ENTITY

They can both be moved by authoritative Spiritual Commands delivered at (5) POSTULATES Level.

FIRE AND WATER ARE CONDUITS AND CONTAINMENTS FOR SPIRITUAL ENTITIES AND POWERS.

Nobody told us that anything burns in HELL nor in THE LAKE OF FIRE.

. DEUTERONOMY 12:32.

32. What thing soever I Command you,
observe to do it:
thou shalt not add thereto,
nor diminish from it.

YOU CONFUSE YOURSELF BY ADDING THINGS TO THE BIBLE THAT THE BIBLE DID NOT DAY.

Who was burned by NEBUCHADNEZZAR'S FURNACE? Just because a thing or being is in Fire, that does not mean that they are being burned!

Stop pretending that no Christians could answer you!

oaroloye:
SHALOM!



YOU HAVE A PROBLEM COMPREHENDING THE BIBLE, BECAUSE YOU NEVER BELIEVED THE BIBLE FROM THE BEGINNING!

. GENESIS 1:1-28.

IN The Beginning
God created the Heaven
and the Earth.
2. And the Earth was
without form, and void;
and Darkness was upon
the Face of the Deep.
And The Spirit of God
moved upon
the Face of the Waters.
3. And God Said,

"Let there be light:
and there was light."

4. And God saw the Light,
that it was Good:
and God divided the Light
from the Darkness.
5. And God called the Light Day,
and the Darkness
He called Night.
And the evening
and the morning were
the First Day.
6. And God Said,

"Let there be a Firmament
in the midst of the Waters,
and let it divide the Waters
from the Waters.

7. And God made
the Firmament,
and divided the waters
which were under
the Firmament from
the Waters which were
above the Firmament:
and it was so.
8. And God called
the Firmament Heaven.

And the evening
and the morning
were the Second Day.

9. And God Said,

"Let the waters
under the Heaven
be gathered together
unto one place,
and let the dry land appear:"

and it was so.
10. And God called
the dry land Earth;
and the gathering together
of the waters
called He Seas:
and God saw that it was Good.

11. And God Said,

"Let the Earth bring forth grass,
the herb yielding seed,
and the fruit tree yielding fruit
after his kind,
whose seed is in itself,
upon the Earth:"

and it was so.
12. And the Earth
brought forth grass,
and herb yielding seed
after his kind,
and the tree yielding fruit,
whose seed was in itself,
after his kind:
and God saw that it was Good.
13. And the evening
and the morning
were the Third Day.

14. And God Said,

"Let there be Lights
in the Firmament of the Heaven
to divide the day from the night;
and let them be for Signs,
and for Seasons,
and for days, and years:
15. "And let them be for lights
in the Firmament of the Heaven
to give light upon the Earth:"

and it was so.
16. And God made
two Great Lights;
the Greater Light
to rule the day,
and the Lesser Light
to rule the night:
He made the Stars also.
17. And God set them
in the Firmament of the Heaven
to give light upon the Earth,
18. And to rule over the day
and over the night,
and to divide the Light
from the Darkness:
and God saw that it was Good.

19. And the evening
and the morning
were the Fourth Day.

creeping thing
that creepeth upon the Earth."

20. And God Said,

"Let the waters bring forth abundantly
the moving creature that hath life,
and fowl that may fly above the Earth
in the open Firmament of Heaven."

21. And God created great whales,
and every living creature that moveth,
which the waters brought forth abundantly,
after their kind,
and every winged fowl after his kind:
and God Saw that it was Good.
22. And God Blessed them,
Saying,

"Be fruitful, and multiply,
and fill the waters in the seas,
and let fowl multiply in the Earth."

23. And the evening and the morning
were the fifth day.

24. And God Said,

"Let the Earth bring forth
the living creature after his kind,
cattle, and creeping thing,
and Beast of the Earth
after his kind:"

and it was so.
25. And God made
the Beast of the Earth
after his kind,
and cattle after their kind,
and every thing that creepeth
upon the Earth after his kind:
and God saw
that it was Good.

26. And God Said,

"Let us make Man in Our Image,
after Our Likeness:
and let them have Dominion
over the Fish of the Sea,
and over the Fowl of the Air,
and over the Cattle,
and over all the Earth,
and over every creeping thing
that creepeth upon the Earth."

27. So God created Man
in His Own Image,
in The Image of God created He him;
male and female created He them.
28. And God Blessed them,
and God Said unto them,

"Be fruitful, and multiply,
and replenish the Earth,
and subdue It:
and have Dominion
over the Fish of the Sea,
and over the Fowl of the Air,
and over every Living Thing
that moveth upon the Earth."

IF YOU HAD READ THE BIBLE FROM THE BEGINNING, YOU WOULD KNOW THAT GOD CREATES THINGS BY SPEAKING THEM INTO EXISTENCE.

. JOHN 1:1-14.

IN The Beginning was The Word,
and The Word was with God,
and The Word was God.
2. The same was in
The Beginning with God.
3. All things were made by Him;
and without Him
was not any thing made
that was made.
4. In Him was Life;
and The Life was The Light of Men.
5. And the light shineth in Darkness;
and The Darkness
comprehended it not.

6. There was a man sent from God,
whose name was John.
7. The same came for a witness,
to bear witness of The Light,
that all men through him
might believe.
8. He was not That Light,
but was sent
to bear witness of That Light.

9. That was The True Light,
Which lighteth every man
that cometh into the World.

10. He was in the World,
and the World was made by him,
and the World knew him not.
11. He came unto his own,
and his own received him not.
12. But as many as received him,
to them gave he Power
to become the Sons of God,
even to them
that believe on his Name:
13. Which were Born,
not of blood,
nor of the Will of the Flesh,
nor of the Will of Man,
but of God.
14. And the Word was made Flesh,
and dwelt among us,
[and we beheld his Glory,
the Glory as of
the only begotten of The Father,]
full of Grace and Truth.

THERE ARE TWO GREEK TERMS THAT ARE FRAUDULENTLY TRANSLATED "WORD" IN THE ENGLISH BIBLE.

(1) LOGOS: The Recorded Word (3056). Reasoning, Motive, Computation.

(2) RHEMA: The Spoken Word (4487). Utterance, Matter, Topic.



The FACSIMILE is consistent with the New Testament term "LOGOS." In SCIENTOLOGY it means SPIRITUAL ENERGY IMAGE.

Facsimiles are the root Source of everything that Exists, and since the term "LOGOS" is the term used in JOHN 1:1-14, God is a LOGOS.

He created Heaven and Earth by duplicating Himself, and this duplicate created all other things and beings by creating modified duplicates of Himself.

Everything that Exists used to be THE LOGOS. Not just Lord Yeshua. Disciple YOCHANNAN was deliberately trying to mislead us, in telling us that Lord Yeshua was THE LOGOS.

. MARK 8:27-30.

27. And Jesus went out,
and his Disciples,
into the towns
of Caesarea Philippi:
and by the way,
he asked his Disciples,
saying unto them,

"Whom do men say that I am?"

28. And they answered,

"John the Baptist:
but some (say), 'Elias;'
and others,
One of the Prophets.' "

29. And he Saith unto them,

"But whom saith ye that I am?"

And Peter answereth
and saith unto him,

"Thou art The Christ."

30. And he charged them
that they should
tell no man of him.

HE KNEW THAT HE WAS FORBIDDEN FROM TELLING US ABOUT LORD YESHUA'S ATTRIBUTES- LORD YESHUA DECREED THAT WE SHOULD RECEIVE THAT KNOWLEDGE DIRECTLY FROM GOD HIMSELF.

. MATTHEW 11:25-30.

25. At that time Jesus Answered
and Said,

"I thank Thee,
O Father,
Lord of Heaven and Earth,
because thou hast
hid these things
from the wise and prudent,
and hast revealed them
unto babes.
26. "Even so, Father:
for so it seemed Good in Thy Sight.
27. "All things are delivered
unto me
of my Father:
and no man knoweth The Son,
but The Father;
neither knoweth any man The Father,
save The Son,
and he to whomsoever The Son
will reveal him.
28. "Come unto me,
all ye that labour
and are heavy laden,
and I will give you rest.
29. "Take my Yoke upon you,
and learn of me;
for I am meek and lowly in heart:
and ye shall find rest
unto your souls.
30. "For my Yoke is easy,
and my burden is light."

. MATTHEW 16:20.

20. Then charged he his Disciples
that they should tell no man
that he was Jesus The Christ.

. JOHN 6:41-45.

41. The Jews then
murmured at Him,
because he Said,

“I AM THE BREAD
WHICH CAME DOWN
FROM HEAVEN.”

42. And they said,

“Is not this Jesus,
the son of Joseph,
whose father and mother
we know?
How is it then that he Saith,

‘I CAME DOWN
FROM HEAVEN?' "

43. Jesus therefore Answered
and Said unto them,

“Murmur not among yourselves.
44. "No man can come to me
unless The Father
Who hath sent me draw him;
and I will raise him up
at The Last Day.
45. "It is written in The Prophets:

‘AND THEY SHALL BE
ALL TAUGHT BY GOD.’

Every man therefore
that hath heard
and hath learned
From The Father
cometh unto me."

ONLY GOD CAN TELL US WHO LORD YESHUA IS, AND ONLY LORD YESHUA CAN TELL US WHO GOD IS: THOSE WHO TELL YOU WHO LORD YESHUA IS ARE ALL ALWAYS DECEIVERS, WHO ONLY KNOW WHAT MEN (OR WOMEN!) HAVE TOLD THEM.

Anyone who has heard from God would want you to hear from God, also.

If someone insists that you must receive their Revelation of Lord Yeshua from them, and not from God directly, that means that God never revealed It to them, either.

. JOHN 12:42-50.

42. Nevertheless among
the Chief Rulers also
many believed on him;
but because of the Pharisees
they did not confess him,
lest they should be
put out of the Synagogue:
43. For they loved
the praise of men
more than The Praise of God.

44. Jesus Cried and Said,

"He that believeth on me,
believeth not on me,
but on him that sent me.
45. "And he that seeth me
seeth Him that sent me.
46. "I am come a Light
into the World,
that whosoever believeth on me
should not abide in Darkness.
47. "And if any man hear my Words,
and believe not,
I judge him not:
for I came not to Judge the World,
but to save the World.
48. "He that rejecteth me,
and receiveth not my Words,
hath One that Judgeth him:
The Word that I have spoken,
The Same shall Judge him
in The Last Day.
49. "For I have not Spoken of myself;
but The Father Which sent me,
He gave me a Commandment,
what I should Say,
and what I should Speak.
50. "And I know that
His Commandment is Life Everlasting:
whatsoever I Speak therefore,
even as The Father Said unto me,
so I Speak."

ONLY LORD YESHUA'S WORDS ARE RELIABLE: THE WORDS OF NEW TESTAMENT COMMENTATORS ARE NOT RELIABLE.

. LUKE 12:8-12.

8. "Also I Say unto you,

'WHOSOEVER SHALL
CONFESS ME
BEFORE MEN,
HIM SHALL THE SON OF MAN
ALSO CONFESS BEFORE
THE ANGELS OF GOD:
9. 'BUT HE THAT DENIETH ME
BEFORE MEN
SHALL BE DENIED BEFORE
THE ANGELS OF GOD.'

10. "And whosoever
shall speak a word
against the Son of Man,
it shall be forgiven him:
but unto him that blasphemeth
against The Holy Ghost
it shall not be forgiven.
11. "And when they bring you
unto the synagogues,
and unto magistrates,
and powers,
take ye no thought
how or what thing
ye shall answer,
or what ye shall say:
12. "For The Holy Ghost
shall Teach you
in the same hour
what ye ought to say."

DISCIPLE YOCHANNAN DID NOT WANT US TO KNOW THAT LORD YESHUA SAID THAT HE WOULD DENY ANYONE WHO DENIED HIM BEFORE GOD, AND BEFORE THE ANGELS OF GOD.

. JOHN 6:47.

47. "Verily, verily,
I Say unto you,

'HE THAT BELIEVETH ON ME,
HATH EVERLASTING LIFE.' "

. JOHN 14:12.

12. "Verily, verily,
I Say unto you,

'HE THAT BELIEVETH ON ME,
THE WORKS THAT I DO
SHALL HE DO ALSO;
AND GREATER WORKS
THAN THESE SHALL HE DO;
BECAUSE I GO
UNTO MY FATHER.' "

IF YOU DO NOT DO THE WORKS OF LORD YESHUA, THEN YOU DO NOT HAVE EVERLASTING LIFE, EITHER!

There are five distinct steps to be negotiated, before one attains EVERLASTING LIFE.

. THE TEN TALENTS OF POWER. (Matt. 25)

(1) TOTAL RECALL.
(2) EXTRASENSORY PERCEPTION.
(3) TELEKINESIS.
(4) TELEPORTATION.
(5) TRANSLATION.
(6-10) EVERLASTING LIFE.

These steps take at least ONE YEAR EACH to rehabilitate. The Y'sraelites were supposed to have attained all these "TALENTS" during their teenage years.

TO ONE WHO HAS EVERLASTING LIFE, EVERYTHING THAT HAS A NAME IS A DISCRETE ENTITY, WITH LIFE.

. MATTHEW 12:22-28.

22. Then was
brought unto him
one possessed
with a Devil,
blind, and dumb:
and he healed him,
insomuch that
the blind and dumb
both spake and saw.
23. And all the people
were amazed,
and said,

"Is not this
The Son of David?"

24. But when
the Pharisees heard it,
they said,

"This fellow doth not
cast out devils,
but by Beelzebub
the Prince of the Devils."

25. And Jesus knew their thoughts,
and Said unto them,

"Every kingdom
divided against itself
is brought to desolation;
and every city or house
divided against itself
shall not stand:
26. "And if Satan
cast out Satan,
he is divided
against himself;
how shall then
his Kingdom stand?
27. "And if I by Beelzebub
cast out Devils,
by whom do your children
cast them out?
therefore they shall be
your judges.
28. "But if I cast out Devils
by the Spirit of God,
then The Kingdom of God
is come unto you."

HELL IS AN ENTITY, AND DEATH IS AN ENTITY

They can both be moved by authoritative Spiritual Commands delivered at (5) POSTULATES Level.

FIRE AND WATER ARE CONDUITS AND CONTAINMENTS FOR SPIRITUAL ENTITIES AND POWERS.

Nobody told us that anything burns in HELL nor in THE LAKE OF FIRE.

. DEUTERONOMY 12:32.

32. What thing soever I Command you,
observe to do it:
thou shalt not add thereto,
nor diminish from it.

YOU CONFUSE YOURSELF BY ADDING THINGS TO THE BIBLE THAT THE BIBLE DID NOT DAY.

Who was burned by NEBUCHADNEZZAR'S FURNACE? Just because a thing or being is in Fire, that does not mean that they are being burned!

Stop pretending that no Christians could answer you!

Can't you just make your response precise?

cornelboy:
Revelation 20:14
[14]And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.

Is hell and death something that could be cast and burn in fire?
Or does the lake of fire symbolise something else?

Hell symbolizes a state of regret and suffering. It's outer darkness, away from the presence and glory of God.
Christians don't agree on hellfire because they don't agree on anything.
It's hard to see any two churches that agree on the same points of doctrine.
But from the bible, we learn that hell is the final state of all sinners.
Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice,

29 And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.

oaroloye:
SHALOM!



YOU HAVE A PROBLEM COMPREHENDING THE BIBLE, BECAUSE YOU NEVER BELIEVED THE BIBLE FROM THE BEGINNING!

. GENESIS 1:1-28.

IN The Beginning
God created the Heaven
and the Earth.
2. And the Earth was
without form, and void;
and Darkness was upon
the Face of the Deep.
And The Spirit of God
moved upon
the Face of the Waters.
3. And God Said,

"Let there be light:
and there was light."

4. And God saw the Light,
that it was Good:
and God divided the Light
from the Darkness.
5. And God called the Light Day,
and the Darkness
He called Night.
And the evening
and the morning were
the First Day.
6. And God Said,

"Let there be a Firmament
in the midst of the Waters,
and let it divide the Waters
from the Waters.

7. And God made
the Firmament,
and divided the waters
which were under
the Firmament from
the Waters which were
above the Firmament:
and it was so.
8. And God called
the Firmament Heaven.

And the evening
and the morning
were the Second Day.

9. And God Said,

"Let the waters
under the Heaven
be gathered together
unto one place,
and let the dry land appear:"

and it was so.
10. And God called
the dry land Earth;
and the gathering together
of the waters
called He Seas:
and God saw that it was Good.

11. And God Said,

"Let the Earth bring forth grass,
the herb yielding seed,
and the fruit tree yielding fruit
after his kind,
whose seed is in itself,
upon the Earth:"

and it was so.
12. And the Earth
brought forth grass,
and herb yielding seed
after his kind,
and the tree yielding fruit,
whose seed was in itself,
after his kind:
and God saw that it was Good.
13. And the evening
and the morning
were the Third Day.

14. And God Said,

"Let there be Lights
in the Firmament of the Heaven
to divide the day from the night;
and let them be for Signs,
and for Seasons,
and for days, and years:
15. "And let them be for lights
in the Firmament of the Heaven
to give light upon the Earth:"

and it was so.
16. And God made
two Great Lights;
the Greater Light
to rule the day,
and the Lesser Light
to rule the night:
He made the Stars also.
17. And God set them
in the Firmament of the Heaven
to give light upon the Earth,
18. And to rule over the day
and over the night,
and to divide the Light
from the Darkness:
and God saw that it was Good.

19. And the evening
and the morning
were the Fourth Day.

creeping thing
that creepeth upon the Earth."

20. And God Said,

"Let the waters bring forth abundantly
the moving creature that hath life,
and fowl that may fly above the Earth
in the open Firmament of Heaven."

21. And God created great whales,
and every living creature that moveth,
which the waters brought forth abundantly,
after their kind,
and every winged fowl after his kind:
and God Saw that it was Good.
22. And God Blessed them,
Saying,

"Be fruitful, and multiply,
and fill the waters in the seas,
and let fowl multiply in the Earth."

23. And the evening and the morning
were the fifth day.

24. And God Said,

"Let the Earth bring forth
the living creature after his kind,
cattle, and creeping thing,
and Beast of the Earth
after his kind:"

and it was so.
25. And God made
the Beast of the Earth
after his kind,
and cattle after their kind,
and every thing that creepeth
upon the Earth after his kind:
and God saw
that it was Good.

26. And God Said,

"Let us make Man in Our Image,
after Our Likeness:
and let them have Dominion
over the Fish of the Sea,
and over the Fowl of the Air,
and over the Cattle,
and over all the Earth,
and over every creeping thing
that creepeth upon the Earth."

27. So God created Man
in His Own Image,
in The Image of God created He him;
male and female created He them.
28. And God Blessed them,
and God Said unto them,

"Be fruitful, and multiply,
and replenish the Earth,
and subdue It:
and have Dominion
over the Fish of the Sea,
and over the Fowl of the Air,
and over every Living Thing
that moveth upon the Earth."

IF YOU HAD READ THE BIBLE FROM THE BEGINNING, YOU WOULD KNOW THAT GOD CREATES THINGS BY SPEAKING THEM INTO EXISTENCE.

. JOHN 1:1-14.

IN The Beginning was The Word,
and The Word was with God,
and The Word was God.
2. The same was in
The Beginning with God.
3. All things were made by Him;
and without Him
was not any thing made
that was made.
4. In Him was Life;
and The Life was The Light of Men.
5. And the light shineth in Darkness;
and The Darkness
comprehended it not.

6. There was a man sent from God,
whose name was John.
7. The same came for a witness,
to bear witness of The Light,
that all men through him
might believe.
8. He was not That Light,
but was sent
to bear witness of That Light.

9. That was The True Light,
Which lighteth every man
that cometh into the World.

10. He was in the World,
and the World was made by him,
and the World knew him not.
11. He came unto his own,
and his own received him not.
12. But as many as received him,
to them gave he Power
to become the Sons of God,
even to them
that believe on his Name:
13. Which were Born,
not of blood,
nor of the Will of the Flesh,
nor of the Will of Man,
but of God.
14. And the Word was made Flesh,
and dwelt among us,
[and we beheld his Glory,
the Glory as of
the only begotten of The Father,]
full of Grace and Truth.

THERE ARE TWO GREEK TERMS THAT ARE FRAUDULENTLY TRANSLATED "WORD" IN THE ENGLISH BIBLE.

(1) LOGOS: The Recorded Word (3056). Reasoning, Motive, Computation.

(2) RHEMA: The Spoken Word (4487). Utterance, Matter, Topic.



The FACSIMILE is consistent with the New Testament term "LOGOS." In SCIENTOLOGY it means SPIRITUAL ENERGY IMAGE.

Facsimiles are the root Source of everything that Exists, and since the term "LOGOS" is the term used in JOHN 1:1-14, God is a LOGOS.

He created Heaven and Earth by duplicating Himself, and this duplicate created all other things and beings by creating modified duplicates of Himself.

Everything that Exists used to be THE LOGOS. Not just Lord Yeshua. Disciple YOCHANNAN was deliberately trying to mislead us, in telling us that Lord Yeshua was THE LOGOS.

. MARK 8:27-30.

27. And Jesus went out,
and his Disciples,
into the towns
of Caesarea Philippi:
and by the way,
he asked his Disciples,
saying unto them,

"Whom do men say that I am?"

28. And they answered,

"John the Baptist:
but some (say), 'Elias;'
and others,
One of the Prophets.' "

29. And he Saith unto them,

"But whom saith ye that I am?"

And Peter answereth
and saith unto him,

"Thou art The Christ."

30. And he charged them
that they should
tell no man of him.

HE KNEW THAT HE WAS FORBIDDEN FROM TELLING US ABOUT LORD YESHUA'S ATTRIBUTES- LORD YESHUA DECREED THAT WE SHOULD RECEIVE THAT KNOWLEDGE DIRECTLY FROM GOD HIMSELF.

. MATTHEW 11:25-30.

25. At that time Jesus Answered
and Said,

"I thank Thee,
O Father,
Lord of Heaven and Earth,
because thou hast
hid these things
from the wise and prudent,
and hast revealed them
unto babes.
26. "Even so, Father:
for so it seemed Good in Thy Sight.
27. "All things are delivered
unto me
of my Father:
and no man knoweth The Son,
but The Father;
neither knoweth any man The Father,
save The Son,
and he to whomsoever The Son
will reveal him.
28. "Come unto me,
all ye that labour
and are heavy laden,
and I will give you rest.
29. "Take my Yoke upon you,
and learn of me;
for I am meek and lowly in heart:
and ye shall find rest
unto your souls.
30. "For my Yoke is easy,
and my burden is light."

. MATTHEW 16:20.

20. Then charged he his Disciples
that they should tell no man
that he was Jesus The Christ.

. JOHN 6:41-45.

41. The Jews then
murmured at Him,
because he Said,

“I AM THE BREAD
WHICH CAME DOWN
FROM HEAVEN.”

42. And they said,

“Is not this Jesus,
the son of Joseph,
whose father and mother
we know?
How is it then that he Saith,

‘I CAME DOWN
FROM HEAVEN?' "

43. Jesus therefore Answered
and Said unto them,

“Murmur not among yourselves.
44. "No man can come to me
unless The Father
Who hath sent me draw him;
and I will raise him up
at The Last Day.
45. "It is written in The Prophets:

‘AND THEY SHALL BE
ALL TAUGHT BY GOD.’

Every man therefore
that hath heard
and hath learned
From The Father
cometh unto me."

ONLY GOD CAN TELL US WHO LORD YESHUA IS, AND ONLY LORD YESHUA CAN TELL US WHO GOD IS: THOSE WHO TELL YOU WHO LORD YESHUA IS ARE ALL ALWAYS DECEIVERS, WHO ONLY KNOW WHAT MEN (OR WOMEN!) HAVE TOLD THEM.

Anyone who has heard from God would want you to hear from God, also.

If someone insists that you must receive their Revelation of Lord Yeshua from them, and not from God directly, that means that God never revealed It to them, either.

. JOHN 12:42-50.

42. Nevertheless among
the Chief Rulers also
many believed on him;
but because of the Pharisees
they did not confess him,
lest they should be
put out of the Synagogue:
43. For they loved
the praise of men
more than The Praise of God.

44. Jesus Cried and Said,

"He that believeth on me,
believeth not on me,
but on him that sent me.
45. "And he that seeth me
seeth Him that sent me.
46. "I am come a Light
into the World,
that whosoever believeth on me
should not abide in Darkness.
47. "And if any man hear my Words,
and believe not,
I judge him not:
for I came not to Judge the World,
but to save the World.
48. "He that rejecteth me,
and receiveth not my Words,
hath One that Judgeth him:
The Word that I have spoken,
The Same shall Judge him
in The Last Day.
49. "For I have not Spoken of myself;
but The Father Which sent me,
He gave me a Commandment,
what I should Say,
and what I should Speak.
50. "And I know that
His Commandment is Life Everlasting:
whatsoever I Speak therefore,
even as The Father Said unto me,
so I Speak."

ONLY LORD YESHUA'S WORDS ARE RELIABLE: THE WORDS OF NEW TESTAMENT COMMENTATORS ARE NOT RELIABLE.

. LUKE 12:8-12.

8. "Also I Say unto you,

'WHOSOEVER SHALL
CONFESS ME
BEFORE MEN,
HIM SHALL THE SON OF MAN
ALSO CONFESS BEFORE
THE ANGELS OF GOD:
9. 'BUT HE THAT DENIETH ME
BEFORE MEN
SHALL BE DENIED BEFORE
THE ANGELS OF GOD.'

10. "And whosoever
shall speak a word
against the Son of Man,
it shall be forgiven him:
but unto him that blasphemeth
against The Holy Ghost
it shall not be forgiven.
11. "And when they bring you
unto the synagogues,
and unto magistrates,
and powers,
take ye no thought
how or what thing
ye shall answer,
or what ye shall say:
12. "For The Holy Ghost
shall Teach you
in the same hour
what ye ought to say."

DISCIPLE YOCHANNAN DID NOT WANT US TO KNOW THAT LORD YESHUA SAID THAT HE WOULD DENY ANYONE WHO DENIED HIM BEFORE GOD, AND BEFORE THE ANGELS OF GOD.

. JOHN 6:47.

47. "Verily, verily,
I Say unto you,

'HE THAT BELIEVETH ON ME,
HATH EVERLASTING LIFE.' "

. JOHN 14:12.

12. "Verily, verily,
I Say unto you,

'HE THAT BELIEVETH ON ME,
THE WORKS THAT I DO
SHALL HE DO ALSO;
AND GREATER WORKS
THAN THESE SHALL HE DO;
BECAUSE I GO
UNTO MY FATHER.' "

IF YOU DO NOT DO THE WORKS OF LORD YESHUA, THEN YOU DO NOT HAVE EVERLASTING LIFE, EITHER!

There are five distinct steps to be negotiated, before one attains EVERLASTING LIFE.

. THE TEN TALENTS OF POWER. (Matt. 25)

(1) TOTAL RECALL.
(2) EXTRASENSORY PERCEPTION.
(3) TELEKINESIS.
(4) TELEPORTATION.
(5) TRANSLATION.
(6-10) EVERLASTING LIFE.

These steps take at least ONE YEAR EACH to rehabilitate. The Y'sraelites were supposed to have attained all these "TALENTS" during their teenage years.

TO ONE WHO HAS EVERLASTING LIFE, EVERYTHING THAT HAS A NAME IS A DISCRETE ENTITY, WITH LIFE.

. MATTHEW 12:22-28.

22. Then was
brought unto him
one possessed
with a Devil,
blind, and dumb:
and he healed him,
insomuch that
the blind and dumb
both spake and saw.
23. And all the people
were amazed,
and said,

"Is not this
The Son of David?"

24. But when
the Pharisees heard it,
they said,

"This fellow doth not
cast out devils,
but by Beelzebub
the Prince of the Devils."

25. And Jesus knew their thoughts,
and Said unto them,

"Every kingdom
divided against itself
is brought to desolation;
and every city or house
divided against itself
shall not stand:
26. "And if Satan
cast out Satan,
he is divided
against himself;
how shall then
his Kingdom stand?
27. "And if I by Beelzebub
cast out Devils,
by whom do your children
cast them out?
therefore they shall be
your judges.
28. "But if I cast out Devils
by the Spirit of God,
then The Kingdom of God
is come unto you."

HELL IS AN ENTITY, AND DEATH IS AN ENTITY

They can both be moved by authoritative Spiritual Commands delivered at (5) POSTULATES Level.

FIRE AND WATER ARE CONDUITS AND CONTAINMENTS FOR SPIRITUAL ENTITIES AND POWERS.

Nobody told us that anything burns in HELL nor in THE LAKE OF FIRE.

. DEUTERONOMY 12:32.

32. What thing soever I Command you,
observe to do it:
thou shalt not add thereto,
nor diminish from it.

YOU CONFUSE YOURSELF BY ADDING THINGS TO THE BIBLE THAT THE BIBLE DID NOT DAY.

Who was burned by NEBUCHADNEZZAR'S FURNACE? Just because a thing or being is in Fire, that does not mean that they are being burned!

Stop pretending that no Christians could answer you!

This weird guy you have come again with your long replies. Do you really expect cornelboy to read this long story? I know I didn't.

cornelboy:

Can't you just make your response precise?

That's oaroloye Mr MISHIGAS!

cornelboy:
Revelation 20:14
[14]And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.

Is hell and death something that could be cast and burn in fire?
Or does the lake of fire symbolise something else?

The Creator and Owner of all things including death and hell has already Said that it can be cast into another of His creation, which He knows shall destroy them, called Lake of Fire.

Clearly, they are as real as the crushing machine and incinerator which men use to destroy their own creations.

Dtruthspeaker:


The Creator and Owner of all things including death and hell has already Said that it can be cast into another of His creation, which He knows shall destroy them, called Lake of Fire.
Clearly, they are as real as the rain, sun and pain.

Death and hell are not literal just as lake of fire.

Death and hell are not some material that can burn in a fire.

Lake of fire symbolises eternal destruction. You know when something cease to exist.

If everyone in the new world would have eternal life through Jesus, logically death and hell couldn't exist. They would have no place in the new world.

cornelboy:
Death and hell are not some material that can burn in a fire

You are not the owner of death and hell, therefore you can not know whether it can not burn.

cornelboy:

Lake of fire symbolises eternal destruction. You know when something cease to exist

.

Same thing happens when a Camry is thrown into our Incinerators.

cornelboy:

If everyone in the new world would have eternal life through Jesus, logically death and hell couldn't exist. They would have no place in the new world.

You jws and your love for twisting things and making unlawful connections to suit your wishes.

Clearly, it was also said, that "all those people who are found condemned" shall be thrown into the same lake of Fire which is destroying hell and death.

But you guys develop self inflicted blindness to this part.

cornelboy:

Death and hell are not literal just as lake of fire. Death and hell are not some material that can burn in a fire. Lake of fire symbolises eternal destruction. You know when something cease to exist. If everyone in the new world would have eternal life through Jesus, logically death and hell couldn't exist. They would have no place in the new world.

You know the first time i began respecting the JWs?
It was the day one of them asked me to explain what other symbolic terms in the book of Revelation means.
Churchgoers and Muslims always emphasize on HellFire or Lake of Fire because Fire is not something strange to us.
OK let them interpret in Revelation:
©Beast's Seven heads and ten horns. 13:1
©Harlot sitting on the Beast. 17:5
©The sea out of which comes the Beast. 13:1
©The four living creatures! 6:1-8
©Locusts out of the smoke! 9:1-3
©What happened to the sea out of which the beast came? 21:1

Let me stop here for now!

cornelboy:
Revelation 20:14
[14]And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.

Are hell and death something that could be cast and burn in fire?
Or does the lake of fire symbolise something else?

The title of your thread, shows you're a liar!

Who are the Christians who couldn't answer it?

Do you believe anybody outside your organization to be CHRISTIAN?

Are you a christians or JWs?

Lake of fire symbolises eternal destruction. You know when something cease to exist. Not true.
Matthew 13:42 And shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth. If one ceases to exist, there cannot be wailing and gnashing of teeth.

MATTHEW 8:12 But the children of the kingdom shall be cast out into outer darkness: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.

Note again, our spirits never die.

Dtruthspeaker:

You are not the owner of death and hell, therefore you can not know whether it can not burn.
Same thing happens when a Camry is thrown into our Incinerators.
You jws and your love for twisting things and making unlawful connections to suit your wishes.
Clearly, it was also said, that "all those people who are found condemned" shall be thrown into the same lake of Fire which is destroying hell and death.
But you guys develop self inflicted blindness to this part.

Lol. The people will be destroyed together with hell, death, Satan,.....

tctrills:

Lake of fire symbolises eternal destruction. You know when something cease to exist. Not true.
Matthew 13:42 And shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth. If one ceases to exist, there cannot be wailing and gnashing of teeth.

MATTHEW 8:12 But the children of the kingdom shall be cast out into outer darkness: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.
Note again, our spirits never die.

You know 13:42 was a parable right? And 8:12 wasn't about lake of fire but showing the Pharisees in a state of regret?

The kingdom of God was meant for the Israelites but because of their unbelief, gentiles are now taking their positions in the kingdom.

cornelboy:

You know 13:42 was a parable right? And 8:12 wasn't about lake of fire but showing the Pharisees in a state of regret?

The kingdom of God was meant for the Israelites but because of their unbelief, gentiles are now taking their positions in the kingdom.

Yes, those in the lake of fire would be in a state of regret is that the point you are trying to make? Yes, many of the Israelites would regret it when they don't make the kingdom and are found in hell. so in a way, you are right that was why Jesus Christ also told them;

There shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth, when ye shall see Abraham, and Isaac, and Jacob, and all the prophets, in the kingdom of God, and you yourselves thrust out.
They would not be destroyed rather, they shall witness Abraham, and Isaac, and Jacob, and all the prophets, in the kingdom of God and there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.

Read also
Revelation 20:10
And the devil who deceived them was thrown into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are also; and they will be tormented day and night forever and ever.

tctrills:

Yes, those in the lake of fire would be in a state of regret is that the point you are trying to make? Yes, many of the Israelites would regret it when they don't make the kingdom and are found in hell. so in a way, you are right that was why Jesus Christ also told them;

There shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth, when ye shall see Abraham, and Isaac, and Jacob, and all the prophets, in the kingdom of God, and you yourselves thrust out.
They would not be destroyed rather, they shall witness Abraham, and Isaac, and Jacob, and all the prophets, in the kingdom of God and there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.
Read also
Revelation 20:10
And the devil who deceived them was thrown into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are also; and they will be tormented day and night forever and ever.

Now what about Revelations 20:14, how could hell and earth born in a literal fire?

Did you see in Mathew 13:42 that Jesus talking about his kingdom on earth?

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Now what about Revelations 20:14, how could hell and earth born in a literal fire? What is your question here? You are asking me how hell could burn in a literal fire? How do you mean?

Did you see in Mathew 13:42 that Jesus talking about his kingdom on earth? He was clear, if you are not born again, you cannot see his kingdom. So what point are you trying to make please?

cornelboy:


Lol. The people will be destroyed together with hell, death, Satan,.....

That is what God clearly Said.. Lake of Fire is His Incinerator which destroys his creations, like our own which destroys our creations.

cornelboy:

Now what about Revelations 20:14, how could hell and earth born in a literal fire?
Did you see in Mathew 13:42 that Jesus talking about his kingdom on earth?

None of them can say a single thing about other symbolic terms mentioned in the Bible book of Revelation, it's the long time tradition of torment inside fire which is a pagan tradition they will stick to.
No wahala if they understands BETTER let them go out there and start applying what they know after all Jesus promised that the truth of God's Kingdom will produce fine fruit while falsehood will produce rotten fruit! Matthew 7:16-18

cornelboy:

Lol. The people will be destroyed together with hell, death, Satan,.....

Jesus used the symbolic term Gehenna several times even though his first century audience fully grasp what he taught but in the Bible book of Revelation Jesus clearly says all what he said regarding Gehenna means the second death! Revelations 20:14

So according to Jesus in that chapter the first death was temporary as all worthy victims who experienced this first death whether through oldage, murder, drowning, eating by wild beasts or sea creatures, they will all be recovered. Revelations 20:13

But then both dying and burying will be scrapped before God Himself destroy those who are not found worthy of eternal life among resurrected ones so Jesus explained that this one is the second death where there is no return! Revelations 20:14-15

As simple as ABC!

MaxInDHouse:


Jesus used the symbolic term Gehenna several times even though his first century audience fully grasp what he taught but in the Bible book of Revelation Jesus clearly says all what he said regarding Gehenna means the second death! Revelations 20:14

So according to Jesus in that chapter the first death was temporary as all worthy victims who experienced this first death whether through oldage, murder, drowning, eating by wild beasts or sea creatures, they will all be recovered. Revelations 20:13

But then both dying and burying will be scrapped before God Himself destroy those who are not found worthy of eternal life among resurrected ones so Jesus explained that this one is the second death where there is no return! Revelations 20:14-15

As simple as ABC!

Jesus clearly said what? Inside revelations? When did Jesus die? When was revelations written? Who is the author of revelations? When was revelations added to the Bible? Bwahahahah

MaxInDHouse:

Jesus used the symbolic term Gehenna several times even though his first century audience fully grasp what he taught but in the Bible book of Revelation Jesus clearly says all what he said regarding Gehenna means the second death! Revelations 20:14
So according to Jesus in that chapter the first death was temporary as all worthy victims who experienced this first death whether through oldage, murder, drowning, eating by wild beasts or sea creatures, they will all be recovered. Revelations 20:13
But then both dying and burying will be scrapped before God Himself destroy those who are not found worthy of eternal life among resurrected ones so Jesus explained that this one is the second death where there is no return! Revelations 20:14-15
As simple as ABC!

I fully grasp that sir.
The man I study with has moved from Bethel at Benin city to Abuja some few weeks ago. He's been serving voluntarily for a long time with his wife.

Dtruthspeaker:

That is what God clearly Said.. Lake of Fire is His Incinerator which destroys his creations, like our own which destroys our creations.

Let's me assume that it illustrates an incinerator with literal fire, and according to the chapter, those wicked people that were cast into the lake of fire were first raised to life which means it's their body that will be cast into the fire. Wouldn't the fire consume them completely just in some hours?
Of course even their bones would in no time turn to charcoal.

cornelboy:

Let's me assume that it illustrates an incinerator with literal fire, and according to the chapter, those wicked people that were cast into the lake of fire were first raised to life which means it's their body that will be cast into the fire. Wouldn't the fire consume them completely just in some hours?
Of course even their bones would in no time turn to charcoal.

Are we going to still have bones after we die and go to this lake of fire?

cornelboy:


Now what about Revelations 20:14, how could hell and earth born in a literal fire?

Did you see in Mathew 13:42 that Jesus talking about his kingdom on earth?

12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.

13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and [b]death and hell [/b]delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.
Question; Explain this verse... Revelation 20:10
And the devil who deceived them was thrown into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are also; and they will be tormented day and night forever and ever.

14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.
Question; What is death and what is hell?

tctrills:

12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.
13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and [b]death and hell [/b]delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.
Question; Explain this verse... Revelation 20:10
And the devil who deceived them was thrown into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are also; and they will be tormented day and night forever and ever.
14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.
Question; What is death and what is hell?

See you at noon.

cornelboy:

Let's me assume that it illustrates an incinerator with literal fire, and according to the chapter, those wicked people that were cast into the lake of fire were first raised to life which means it's their body that will be cast into the fire.

You people and your twistings just to avoid the unpleasant Truth

God Already Said your body is useless and it is your spirit he is interested in. The body is just a cloth covering the spirit.

And He has told you that what we call die is "sleeping" aka Rest, certainly not for the cloth we see which has turned to dust.

Therefore, Resurrection is about awakening of the spirit.

Therefore, it is the spirit, who ye are that will be destroyed in the lake of fire.

However, by the Ezekiel's dry bones, it may well be a resurrection of both the body and spirit and both would be thrown into the lake of Fire whole.

cornelboy:

Wouldn't the fire consume them completely just in some hours?
Of course even their bones would in no time turn to charcoal.

I Don't know about this part and would not speak on it since The Lord did not Speak on this part.

Dtruthspeaker:


You people and your twistings just to avoid the unpleasant Truth

God Already Said your body is useless and it is your spirit he is interested in. The body is just a cloth covering the spirit.

And He has told you that what we call die is "sleeping" aka Rest, certainly not for the cloth we see which has turned to dust.

Therefore, Resurrection is about awakening of the spirit.

Therefore, it is the spirit, who ye are that will be destroyed in the lake of fire.

However, by the Ezekiel's dry bones, it may well be a resurrection of both the body and spirit and both would be thrown into the lake of Fire whole.



I Don't know about this part and would not speak on it since The Lord did not Speak on it.

What’s the substance that the spirit is made of that it can get burnt? Does the spirit have feelings? Legs? Bones?

Maynman:


What’s the substance that the spirit is made of that it can get burnt? Does the spirit have feelings? Legs? Bones?

I am not the one who made it.

Dtruthspeaker:


I am not the one who made it.

Then you cannot speak about it. You only have assumptions z