While I await the verb definition, I'll like to point out something you did (actually HAD TO DO, in order to conform to JWs beliefs)

In your definition of the noun form, you took the meaning "extreme pain" (ie not just pain but one that is EXTREME), "extreme anguish" (ie not just anguish but one that is EXTREME), and "extreme mistery" (same here), stripped them of that adjective qualifying them ("extreme", and finally reducing them to something on the level of "discomfort"; preventing someone from doing something the person loves (I have to be honest, I chuckled quite a bit at that one )

There is a mighty world of difference between someone in some discomfort because they are prevented from doing what they love, and someone in EXTREME pain/anguish/misery! As in, pain that is EXTREME! Mehn, that's not idleness ooo! Very mighty world of difference! Now when you bring the verb form of the word you'll see it is even much clearer; according to Oxford dictionary the synonym of that word "torment" is "torture". As a VERB!

They were asking Jesus not to torture them before the time, and you think they were only asking that they be not idle

MaxInDHouse:

Below is the Oxford dictionary meaning of the word
TORMENT

(obsolete)
©A catapult or other kind of war-engine.
Torture, originally as inflicted by an instrument of torture.
©Any extreme pain, anguish or misery, either physical or mental.
(example)He was bitter from the torments of the divorce.

So the demons were telling Jesus not to disturb their temporary enjoyment after all God has restricted them from having dealings with their fellow angels in heaven {2Peter 2:4} and when they're idle the only thing they do with their being is living inside another being (human) {Matthew 12:43-45} they're also aware that a time has been set when they will not even have access to living mankind! Revelations 20:1-3


Jesus spoke in parables and symbolic terms {Matthew 13:13,34} so when he talked about FIRE he meant the feelings an unrepentant evildoer has, it's like saying someone is "sitting on fire" of course it doesn't mean literal fire but that he/she not enjoying himself or herself!

cornelboy:
Revelation 20:14
[14]And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.

Are hell and death something that could be cast and burn in fire?
Or does the lake of fire symbolise something else?

And what question has Jwickedness people ever answered successfully instead of perambulating aimlessly trying to tell everyone they are chosen or best denomination or trying to sell asleep magazine?

The lake of fire is the eternal abode and place of punishment for satan, his angels, the antichrist, death and of course sinners. The Bible says death and hell are cast, you are still glibly asking if hell and death could be cast.

MaxInDHouse:


What you don't know is that people from all races are trying to refute what the Bible say about their various cultures and traditions as the Jews claimed that all other races worship what they don't know! John 4:22
So they're now protesting against the Bible, but someone like me don't just follow agitators rather i'll go straight to the PRACTICAL to be certain of what they're arguing about.
ÈṢÙ is the same as Satan in the Bible but if anyone truly wants to prove God's word wrong let him present the WORKS of ÈṢÙ in any human society.
There's no need arguing blindly over what a thief means just present the activities of thieves in any human society!

Fallen watcher of yaldaboath don’t you have shame? How can you be lying so shamelessly. When you are alone how do you talk to yourself and cope with all these lies, all these because of yaldaboath the real SATAN that you worship and waiting for.

https://alamojayoruba.com/esu-is-not-satan-who-esu-is-and-who-he-is-not/

Sir, something is a noun and another is a verb FOR A REASON. Even if they correlate, pls bring it still, whether it makes a difference or not

MaxInDHouse:


The noun and verb correlates as Jesus only wanted to deprive them of their temporary enjoyment. But according to the Bible a time is coming when Jesus will torment them for a long time (one thousand years) Revelations 20:1-3
So the torment here is about depriving them of what they enjoy doing!

One thing I like about nairaland is that everything is done in public. The other time I called out a JW for subtly twisting Jesus' words to defend his doctrine, And here it'll be obvious that you had to "water down" the meaning of a word just so that your doctrine can be defended. This is in public, everyone will be able to see this

EXTREME anguish IS NOT idleness! EXTREME pain IS NOT idleness! Loool I mean!

To have a shot at it you have to throw away that "extreme" from it first sef, to just something like anguish, pain, etc, then it will still need further watering down to become idleness!

I'll let you in on a secret. Without doing what that other JW guy did in switching up Jesus' words, or you in watering down a word, you will NEVER be able to successfully defend your doctrine! Every doctrine will always fall flat on its face without this!

Mikee19:
While I await the verb definition, I'll like to point out something you did (actually HAD TO DO, in order to conform to JWs beliefs)

In your definition of the noun form, you took the meaning "extreme pain" (ie not just pain but one that is EXTREME), "extreme anguish" (ie not just anguish but one that is EXTREME), and "extreme mistery" (same here), stripped them of that adjective qualifying them ("extreme", and finally reducing them to something on the level of "discomfort"; preventing someone from doing something the person loves (I have to be honest, I chuckled quite a bit at that one )

There is a mighty world of difference between someone in some discomfort because they are prevented from doing what they love, and someone in EXTREME pain/anguish/misery! As in, pain that is EXTREME! Mehn, that's not idleness ooo! Very mighty world of difference! Now when you bring the verb form of the word you'll see it is even much clearer; according to Oxford dictionary the synonym of that word "torment" is "torture". As a VERB!

They were asking Jesus not to torture them before the time, and you think they were only asking that they be not idle

Mikee19:
One thing I like about nairaland is that everything is done in public. The other time I called out a JW for subtly twisting Jesus' words to defend his doctrine, And here it'll be obvious that you had to "water down" the meaning of a word just so that your doctrine can be defended. This is in public, everyone will be able to see this

EXTREME anguish IS NOT idleness! EXTREME pain IS NOT idleness! Loool I mean!

To have a shot at it you have to throw away that "extreme" from it first sef, to just something like anguish, pain, etc, then it will still need further watering down to become idleness!

I'll let you in on a secret. Without doing what that other JW guy did in switching up Jesus' words, or you in watering down a word, you will NEVER be able to successfully defend your doctrine! Every doctrine will always fall flat on its face without this!

Mikee19:
Sir, something is a noun and another is a verb FOR A REASON. Even if they correlate, pls bring it still, whether it makes a difference or not

Tormenting doesn't always mean "inflicting pains" that's what the dictionary says!


So when you have a preconceived thought on the word you need to consider the general meaning of the word instead of concluding you have the final say.

Here we are talking about spirits with no physical bodies so it's their feelings that matters here not some infliction of pain! Psalms 78:41

Image123:

And what question has Jwickedness people ever answered successfully instead of perambulating aimlessly trying to tell everyone they are chosen or best denomination or trying to sell asleep magazine?
The lake of fire is the eternal abode and place of punishment for satan, his angels, the antichrist, death and of course sinners. The Bible says death and hell are cast, you are still glibly asking if hell and death could be cast.

Like hell and death will be tormented and cry day and night shebi?

Satan a spirit being will also born in a literal fire

What about the false prophet, shebi na person him be?

You people and your half knowledge.

cornelboy:


Like hell and death will be tormented and cry day and night shebi?

Satan a spirit being will also born in a literal fire

What about the false prophet, shebi na person him be?

You people and your half knowledge.

Stick to what i said. i didn't say anything about being tormented, or about crying, or about day and night. i didn't say anything about any false prophet or about born or burn. Read carefully this time and ask sensible questions.
100% of Jwickedness have a programmed preconceived notion and copy/paste response without thinking. They are so poorly indoctrinated. Prove this sad truth wrong.

Image123:

Stick to what i said. i didn't say anything about being tormented, or about crying, or about day and night. i didn't say anything about any false prophet or about born or burn. Read carefully this time and ask sensible questions.
100% of Jwickedness have a programmed preconceived notion and copy/paste response without thinking. They are so poorly indoctrinated. Prove this sad truth wrong.

Lol. I have nothing to proof to you.
Lake of fire symbolises eternal destruction. And it's meant for Satan, the false prophet (figurative), wicked people, hell and death.
They won't exist no more.

I'm still within context. Or aren't familiar with Revelations 20?

cornelboy:


Lol. I have nothing to proof to you.
Lake of fire symbolises eternal destruction. And it's meant for Satan, the false prophet (figurative), wicked people, hell and death.
They won't exist no more.

I'm still within context. Or aren't familiar with Revelations 20?

So why do you ask the question? i don't expect you to prove facts wrong.

Lake of fire doesn't exist anywhere. It's used in a figurative sense.

Image123:


So why do you ask the question? i don't expect you to prove facts wrong.

100% of Jwickedness have a programmed preconceived notion and copy/paste response without thinking. They are so poorly indoctrinated. Prove this sad truth wrong.

Is that not what you asked me to prove?

I don't have time for your bs.

Ona no know anything for Bible, but ona go dè run mouth everywhere.

Image123:


So why do you ask the question? i don't expect you to prove facts wrong.

Jehovah witnesses knows the king james VERSION which is the basis of other English Bible VERSIONS more than anyone that’s because it was created by a Jehovah witness.
The word “Jehovah” is foreign in the Hebrew bible, it was inserted into the king James VERSION by William Tyndale, a Jehovah witness . They know the VERSION better

MaxInDHouse:




Tormenting doesn't always mean "inflicting pains" that's what the dictionary says!

But you failed to supply the verb form as was used to show what it can mean!

MaxInDHouse:

So when you have a preconceived thought on the word you need to consider the general meaning of the word instead of concluding you have the final say.

Ok no problem. I am forced to bring the verb form since you absolutely refused to do so yourself. Here are the possible meanings from Oxford advanced American dictionary:

1 torment somebody(formal)to make someone suffer very much

2 torment somebody/something to annoy a person or an animal in a cruel way because you think it is amusing

So which of these "general meanings" is it?

Lemme also add the dictionary I use, wordweb, available online:

1. Torment emotionally or mentally
- torture, excruciate, rack, wrack

2. Harass persistently in cruel or annoying way
"The children tormented the stuttering teacher";
- rag, bedevil, crucify, dun, frustrate

3. Subject to torture
"The sinners will be tormented in Hell, according to the Bible";
- torture, excruciate

So which of these "general meanings" is it then?

You have given a meaning absolutely not present in any dictionary! Show me your meaning from the dictionary so that we can see

MaxInDHouse:




Tormenting doesn't always mean "inflicting pains" that's what the dictionary says!


So when you have a preconceived thought on the word you need to consider the general meaning of the word instead of concluding you have the final say.

Here we are talking about spirits with no physical bodies so it's their feelings that matters here not some infliction of pain! Psalms 78:41

How can you say you worship a good god and you lie this much, anyways you already said you are a Jehovah witness and you’ve pledge allegiance to the WATCHTOWER, Which means you are part of the fallen watchers waiting for Yaldaboath.
I’m sure you know this. It is glare who you are now.

Mikee19:
You have given a meaning absolutely not present in any dictionary! Show me your meaning from the dictionary so that we can see

Mikee19:

But you failed to supply the verb form as was used to show what it can mean!
Ok no problem. I am forced to bring the verb form since you absolutely refused to do so yourself. Here are the possible meanings from Oxford advanced American dictionary:
1 torment somebody(formal)to make someone suffer very much
2 torment somebody/something to annoy a person or an animal in a cruel way because you think it is amusing
So which of these "general meanings" is it?
Lemme also add the dictionary I use, wordweb, available online:
1. Torment emotionally or mentally
- torture, excruciate, rack, wrack
2. Harass persistently in cruel or annoying way
"The children tormented the stuttering teacher";
- rag, bedevil, crucify, dun, frustrate
3. Subject to torture
"The sinners will be tormented in Hell, according to the Bible";
- torture, excruciate
So which of these "general meanings" is it then?

If you're talking about torments regarding spirit beings (not humans or animals with physical bodies) then it couldn't be anything else but emotional torture!

MaxInDHouse:




If you're talking about torments regarding spirit beings (not humans or animals with physical bodies) then it couldn't be anything else but emotional torture!

Spirit have feelings like humans?
Just like the jealous yaldaboath.

cornelboy:

Is that not what you asked me to prove?
I don't have time for your bs.
Ona no know anything for Bible, but ona go dè run mouth everywhere.

Satan is really mad that JEHOVAH'S word that was heard through the mouth of His only begotten Son is coming to fulfilment.

They're really mad to see millions of intelligent humans who are living normal lives with their wives, husband and children all having the same line of thought! John 17:22; 1Corinthians 1:10; Ephesians 4:3
So because they're spiritually scattered in their own reasoning {Luke 11:23} they're madly disturbed that JWs have what it takes to be the people God's word is talking about! Zephaniah 3:9

Most times i just pity them!

Satan is yaldaboath, aka Yahweh.
The fallen watchers changed it to “Jehovah”

What do you mean by kill the soul? Ezekiel 18:4 says the soul that sinneth shall die. Do you not know that the death it is talking about here simply means the soul perishing in hell?

Now look at the following scriptures and you will see that there are so many figurative expressions used to describe hell'. It is not called hell' all the time.

1st. These. 1:8-9 "mentions hell' as everlasting destruction from God's presence".
Mat. 8:12 calls it outer darkness.
Mat. 25:30. Calls it Eternal punishment.
Mat. 13:50 calls it furnace
John 15:5-6 describes it as being withered/burnt.
Revelations Has described it in many words, lake of fire, everlasting fire, etc.

So wether is is called death, hell, destruction, wither, furnace, whatever it is called simply refers to what will happen to the soul that will not make heaven (eternity, eternal life). The opposite of eternal life is eternal destruction, damnation, (hell).

Uchesis:

Is God going to kill the soul or he is going to make the soul suffer in hell forever. Pls answer this

MaxInDHouse:




If you're talking about torments regarding spirit beings (not humans or animals with physical bodies) then it couldn't be anything else but emotional torture!

WRONG!

there is a spiritual body just like there is a physical body! The spiritual realm is EXACTLY like the physical realm! They can feel harm in that realm too! This is no proof at all

LilMissFavvy:
What do you mean by kill the soul? Ezekiel 18:4 says the soul that sinneth shall die. Do you not know that the death it is talking about here simply means the soul perishing in hell?

Now look at the following scriptures and you will see that there are so many figurative expressions used to describe hell'. It is not called hell' all the time.

1st. These. 1:8-9 "mentions hell' as everlasting destruction from God's presence".
Mat. 8:12 calls it outer darkness.
Mat. 25:30. Calls it Eternal punishment.
Mat. 13:50 calls it furnace
John 15:5-6 describes it as being withered/burnt.
Revelations Has described it in many words, lake of fire, everlasting fire, etc.

So wether is is called death, hell, destruction, wither, furnace, whatever it is called simply refers to what will happen to the soul that will not make heaven (eternity, eternal life). The opposite of eternal life is eternal destruction, damnation, (hell).

God loves us that's why He gave us life but due to Adamic sin we now die, so for us to regain what God has in plan from the beginning we must exercise faith in His only begotten son {John 3:16} anyone who fails to do that will be condemned.
So it's either life or death {Genesis 2:17} which means eternal life or eternal death no addition no subtraction!

MaxInDHouse consider this:

The gospels (Matthew to John) being written by different authors means that we will have different observations of the same event. This can help us in this case to determine the meaning of the word "torment" as used by them. Here is what i mean:

Luke's version:

cKJV+ Luk 8:28,31: "²⁸ When he saw Jesus, he cried out, and fell down before him, and with a loud voice said, What have I to do with you, Jesus, you Son of God most high? I beg you, torment me not. … ³¹ And they begged him that he would not command them to go out into the abyss."

What you implied from this verse of scripture is that maybe by "torment" they meant "don't send us into the abyss". Meaning "torment" in this context, means "restraining in the abyss". If this is the case we should expect any other observer to report it exactly the same way. Why? Because "torment" cannot mean "restraining in the abyss" here, and go then change meaning to something else completely suddenly, no matter who is reporting it!. For example, "Fufu" reported by Bayo will still be the same "fufu" when Tunji is the one who says it; if both of them write "fufu" they CANNOT mean another thing from each other!

If "torment" truly meant "restraining in the abyss" in that particular context, then obviously it will retain the same meaning no matter which other gospel writer reports that same story, not so? This must make sense to you na, abi? This is common sense!

So let's see what somebody else reported that same story as:

cKJV+ Mar 5:7,10: "⁷ And cried with a loud voice, and said, What have I to do with you, Jesus, you Son of the most high God? I adjure you by God, that you torment me not. … ¹⁰ And he begged him much that he would not send them away out of the country."

You see the problem? "Torment" cannot mean "don't send us into the abyss" in one place and then no longer mean that, to all of a sudden become "don't send us out of the country"! That makes NO SENSE AT ALL!

No, "torment" CANNOT mean either "retaining in the abyss" or "sending out of the country" at the same time! This means it means NEITHER!

What really happened was that they made TWO DIFFERENT PLEAS to Jesus

1) Don't torment us

2) Depending on which writer you read from, EITHER "Don't send us into the abyss" or "Don't send us away from the country"

TWO DIFFERENT PLEAS!

That's the only way this makes sense!

And so each writer of the gospel only recorded what they heard. But they both heard "torment" and recorded that they told Jesus not to torment them!

Fufu means fufu. ewure means goat.

Fufu CANNOT change to cow milk suddenly simply because a different writer is giving his own account of what he heard, neither can ewure suddenly change to sunlight just because it's a different writer! In the same way "torment" cannot change from one meaning to another just because it's recorded by someone else!

"Torment" cannot NEVER mean "restraining in the abyss" because BOTH WRITERS would have recorded THE EXACT SAME THING if it were so. The fact that they didn't means it doesn't mean that AT ALL!

So whatever "torment" means, a careful comparison shows it cannot mean any other meaning that what we ordinarily know as "torment"

PROOF!

Mikee19:

WRONG!
there is a spiritual body just like there is a physical body! The spiritual realm is EXACTLY like the physical realm! They can feel harm in that realm too! This is no proof at all

According to the dictionary we both read torment can be emotional or pains inflicted on the PHYSICAL BODY of any living thing.
But this time around we are talking about living beings who don't have physical bodies so their own torments can only be emotional since they don't have PHYSICAL BODIES.

God's word need to be understood from the perspective of the scriptures.
There's no scripture from Genesis to Malachi that states how spirit beings can be tortured except through Jesus' parables and symbolic speeches. So if you think spirit beings without physical bodies can be tortured it's OK but you can't force it down everyone's throat.
Work on it, preach and teach it then present the fruit of your TEACHINGS! Matthew 7:16-18

MaxInDHouse:


According to the dictionary we both read torment can be emotional or pains inflicted on the PHYSICAL BODY of any living thing.
But this time around we are talking about living beings who don't have physical bodies so their own torments can only be emotional since they don't have PHYSICAL BODIES.

God's word need to be understood from the perspective of the scriptures.
There's no scripture from Genesis to Malachi that states how spirit beings can be tortured except through Jesus' parables and symbolic speeches. So if you think spirit beings without physical bodies can be tortured it's OK but you can't force it down everyone's throat.
Work on it, preach and teach it then present the fruit of your TEACHINGS! Matthew 7:16-18

Very good.

Now address this 👇🏽

Mikee19:
MaxInDHouse consider this:

The gospels (Matthew to John) being written by different authors means that we will have different observations of the same event. This can help us in this case to determine the meaning of the word "torment" as used by them. Here is what i mean:

Luke's version:

cKJV+ Luk 8:28,31: "²⁸ When he saw Jesus, he cried out, and fell down before him, and with a loud voice said, What have I to do with you, Jesus, you Son of God most high? I beg you, torment me not. … ³¹ And they begged him that he would not command them to go out into the abyss."

What you implied from this verse of scripture is that maybe by "torment" they meant "don't send us into the abyss". Meaning "torment" in this context, means "restraining in the abyss". If this is the case we should expect any other observer to report it exactly the same way. Why? Because "torment" cannot mean "restraining in the abyss" here, and go then change meaning to something else completely suddenly, no matter who is reporting it!. For example, "Fufu" reported by Bayo will still be the same "fufu" when Tunji is the one who says it; if both of them write "fufu" they CANNOT mean another thing from each other!

If "torment" truly meant "restraining in the abyss" in that particular context, then obviously it will retain the same meaning no matter which other gospel writer reports that same story, not so? This must make sense to you na, abi? This is common sense!

So let's see what somebody else reported that same story as:

cKJV+ Mar 5:7,10: "⁷ And cried with a loud voice, and said, What have I to do with you, Jesus, you Son of the most high God? I adjure you by God, that you torment me not. … ¹⁰ And he begged him much that he would not send them away out of the country."

You see the problem? "Torment" cannot mean "don't send us into the abyss" in one place and then no longer mean that, to all of a sudden become "don't send us out of the country"! That makes NO SENSE AT ALL!

No, "torment" CANNOT mean either "retaining in the abyss" or "sending out of the country" at the same time! This means it means NEITHER!

What really happened was that they made TWO DIFFERENT PLEAS to Jesus

1) Don't torment us

2) Depending on which writer you read from, EITHER "Don't send us into the abyss" or "Don't send us away from the country"

TWO DIFFERENT PLEAS!

That's the only way this makes sense!

And so each writer of the gospel only recorded what they heard. But they both heard "torment" and recorded that they told Jesus not to torment them!

Fufu means fufu. ewure means goat.

Fufu CANNOT change to cow milk suddenly simply because a different writer is giving his own account of what he heard, neither can ewure suddenly change to sunlight just because it's a different writer! In the same way "torment" cannot change from one meaning to another just because it's recorded by someone else!

"Torment" cannot NEVER mean "restraining in the abyss" because BOTH WRITERS would have recorded THE EXACT SAME THING if it were so. The fact that they didn't means it doesn't mean that AT ALL!

So whatever "torment" means, a careful comparison shows it cannot mean any other meaning that what we ordinarily know as "torment"

PROOF!

Exactly. Ezekiel was actually referring to hell when he said the soul that sinneth shall die, ie eternal destruction. It is simply the use of figurative expressions. A lot of Christians will read normal daily books and understand when a figurative language is being used, but when it comes to the Bible they say they are confused.

MaxInDHouse:


God loves us that's why He gave us life but due to Adamic sin we now die, so for us to regain what God has in plan from the beginning we must exercise faith in His only begotten son {John 3:16} anyone who fails to do that will be condemned.
So it's either life or death {Genesis 2:17} which means eternal life or eternal death no addition no subtraction!

cornelboy:



Is that not what you asked me to prove?

I don't have time for your bs.

Ona no know anything for Bible, but ona go dè run mouth everywhere.

Duh, i meant your OP, i don't expect you to prove facts wrong.

Mikee19:
MaxInDHouse consider this:
The gospels (Matthew to John) being written by different authors means that we will have different observations of the same event. This can help us in this case to determine the meaning of the word "torment" as used by them. Here is what i mean:Luke's version:
cKJV+ Luk 8:28,31: "²⁸ When he saw Jesus, he cried out, and fell down before him, and with a loud voice said, What have I to do with you, Jesus, you Son of God most high? I beg you, torment me not. … ³¹ And they begged him that he would not command them to go out into the abyss."
What you implied from this verse of scripture is that maybe by "torment" they meant "don't send us into the abyss". Meaning "torment" in this context, means "restraining in the abyss". If this is the case we should expect any other observer to report it exactly the same way. Why? Because "torment" cannot mean "restraining in the abyss" here, and go then change meaning to something else completely suddenly, no matter who is reporting it!. For example, "Fufu" reported by Bayo will still be the same "fufu" when Tunji is the one who says it; if both of them write "fufu" they CANNOT mean another thing from each other!
If "torment" truly meant "restraining in the abyss" in that particular context, then obviously it will retain the same meaning no matter which other gospel writer reports that same story, not so? This must make sense to you na, abi? This is common sense!
So let's see what somebody else reported that same story as:
cKJV+ Mar 5:7,10: "⁷ And cried with a loud voice, and said, What have I to do with you, Jesus, you Son of the most high God? I adjure you by God, that you torment me not. … ¹⁰ And he begged him much that he would not send them away out of the country."
You see the problem? "Torment" cannot mean "don't send us into the abyss" in one place and then no longer mean that, to all of a sudden become "don't send us out of the country"! That makes NO SENSE AT ALL!
No, "torment" CANNOT mean either "retaining in the abyss" or "sending out of the country" at the same time! This means it means NEITHER!
What really happened was that they made TWO DIFFERENT PLEAS to Jesus
1) Don't torment us
2) Depending on which writer you read from, EITHER "Don't send us into the abyss" or "Don't send us away from the country"
TWO DIFFERENT PLEAS!
That's the only way this makes sense!
And so each writer of the gospel only recorded what they heard. But they both heard "torment" and recorded that they told Jesus not to torment them!
Fufu means fufu. ewure means goat.
Fufu CANNOT change to cow milk suddenly simply because a different writer is giving his own account of what he heard, neither can ewure suddenly change to sunlight just because it's a different writer! In the same way "torment" cannot change from one meaning to another just because it's recorded by someone else!
"Torment" cannot NEVER mean "restraining in the abyss" because BOTH WRITERS would have recorded THE EXACT SAME THING if it were so. The fact that they didn't means it doesn't mean that AT ALL!
So whatever "torment" means, a careful comparison shows it cannot mean any other meaning that what we ordinarily know as "torment"
PROOF!

Both of them means exactly the same thing when we're talking about spirits who only enjoy their time with other beings.
First note what led this spirits out of their former abode, they wanted to have direct dealings with humans so they came down and started having S3X with female humans {Genesis 6:1-2} after their children, wives and in-laws were destroyed in the flood they returned to heaven as spirit beings but God didn't allow them to mix with His loyal and faithful spirit sons, that's what outer darkness meant {1Peter 3:19-20; 2Peter 2:4; Jude 6} so they began looking for humans to possess! Matthew 15:22 compare to 12:43-45
So once they're driven out of the human they became desperate again looking for someone else to possess.
Now the real torment is when they're all locked up in a place where they can't have access to living humans anymore. It's like arresting all the criminals throughout the world and locking them up in one maximum prison where they can't have access to nice people again, surely it's real torment to them because they enjoy dealing with nice people who are innocent unlike criminals like them who keeps suspecting every move they make! Revelations 20:1-3

.

Inconsistent with that passage

1) Those to whom u claim "torment" meant "not mixing with nice humans" BEGGED to be sent into as pigs (not humans). They were ok to be sent into PIGS!

2) Once in the pigs they KILLED THEM and didn't even have anything they were inhabiting again! They didn't care about the pigs! They didn't care about not having a body to inhabit and be "homeless" in neither pigs nor humans! All they cared about was simply that they REMAINED IN THAT SAME COUNTRY whether they were inhabiting something or NOT!

3) Once more, just accept God's word for the EXACT WORD IT SAYS! They didn't want to go out of the country! No preference or mention is given IN THIS CONTEXT about inhabiting humans!

Your exegesis is wrong!

MaxInDHouse:


Both of them means exactly the same thing when we're talking about spirits who only enjoy their time with other beings.
First note what led this spirits out of their former abode, they wanted to have direct dealings with humans so they came down and started having S3X with female humans {Genesis 6:1-2} after their children, wives and in-laws were destroyed in the flood they returned to heaven as spirit beings but God didn't allow them to mix with His loyal and faithful spirit sons, that's what outer darkness meant {1Peter 3:19-20; 2Peter 2:4; Jude 6} so they began looking for humans to possess! Matthew 15:22 compare to 12:43-45
So once they're driven out of the human they became desperate again looking for someone else to possess.
Now the real torment is when they're all locked up in a place where they can't have access to living humans anymore. It's like arresting all the criminals throughout the world and locking them up in one maximum prison where they can't have access to nice people again, surely it's real torment to them because they enjoy dealing with nice people who are innocent unlike criminals like them who keeps suspecting every move they make! Revelations 20:1-3

actually there's more

4) Even when sent out of the country, they can go into ANOTHER COUNTRY to meet other "nice humans" to interact with! The problem isn't that they cannot meet other humans again na! Again, the problem is that they wanted to remain, as said exactly in the scripture, IN THE COUNTRY! Absence of humans has absolutely no bearing on it!

MaxInDHouse:


Both of them means exactly the same thing when we're talking about spirits who only enjoy their time with other beings.
First note what led this spirits out of their former abode, they wanted to have direct dealings with humans so they came down and started having S3X with female humans {Genesis 6:1-2} after their children, wives and in-laws were destroyed in the flood they returned to heaven as spirit beings but God didn't allow them to mix with His loyal and faithful spirit sons, that's what outer darkness meant {1Peter 3:19-20; 2Peter 2:4; Jude 6} so they began looking for humans to possess! Matthew 15:22 compare to 12:43-45
So once they're driven out of the human they became desperate again looking for someone else to possess.
Now the real torment is when they're all locked up in a place where they can't have access to living humans anymore. It's like arresting all the criminals throughout the world and locking them up in one maximum prison where they can't have access to nice people again, surely it's real torment to them because they enjoy dealing with nice people who are innocent unlike criminals like them who keeps suspecting every move they make! Revelations 20:1-3