2good:

@ Da Doctor,
Do you think getting 1500 in GRE to get an admit into Stanford and Princeton does not require your have a sound aptitude test skill, or getting recruited by Chevron or Total does not require good aptitude test skills? Try to understand reality before you make comments. I still stand by my word that people like you that focus so much on castigating first class are those that couldn't make first class and looking for the slightest excuse to say they are not good

Dont misuderstand my quote bros dem!!

i am in the field and i know much to a large extent.

I sure know passing the above is hard. i too passed them at some point in my pursuit. MY POINT ALSO LIES IN THE FACT THAT NOT ALL CAN BE SHARP. MOREOVER IT VARIES FROM SCHOOL TO SCHOOL NOT ALL SCHOOLS HAVE CREDIBILITY. GO IN AND SEE THAT MOST COURSES IN A FEW UNIO ARENT EVEN ACCREDITATED

chamber2:

I wonder what they call apt test. Is it not the same Gmat and GRE that people pass to get into top schools? Maybe that of NNPC was something else.

pinkrex:

Mtcheeewwww!!! The reality will never be faced because of sentiments.

How can a graduate of English or Mass comm go for NNPC test and pass? Let them tell us the calibers of graduates invited for the test.

And most importantly these or graduates of 2.1 and 2.2 this days only knows what the text book says and not the world or job market requires today.
When you train people to be theorists then dont expect them to be mechanics.


I know of a gut that got a first class from redeemers uni. but no pings he doesnt reply to at any time of the day. He can speak all the posh grammar on planet earth but doesn't know the current state of Nigerian economy

BROS I TIRE O!! SOME PEOPLE ARE JUST BEING SENTIMENTAL. I HAVE ONCE INTERVIEWED AN ENGR GRADUATE OF 1ST CLASS. GUESS WHAT HE WASNT TAKEN. HE WAS GOOD BUT CUDNT COMPOSE COMMON ENGLISH. SAME LANGUAGE IN WHICH HE GOT HIS ACADEMIC MERIT.

SEE IF YOU INTERACT WITH GRADUATES YOU GO BOW. ABEG MAKE WE LEAVE MATTER. MANY PASS TEST AND EVEN FAIL WOEFULLY IN INTERVIEW COS OF GRAMMAR AND TACTICS

This is as a result of great emphasis placed on paper qualification

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BROS I TIRE O!! SOME PEOPLE ARE JUST BEING SENTIMENTAL. I HAVE ONCE INTERVIEWED AN ENGR GRADUATE OF 1ST CLASS. GUESS WHAT HE WASNT TAKEN. HE WAS GOOD BUT CUDNT COMPOSE COMMON ENGLISH. SAME LANGUAGE IN WHICH HE GOT HIS ACADEMIC MERIT.

SEE IF YOU INTERACT WITH GRADUATES YOU GO BOW. ABEG MAKE WE LEAVE MATTER. MANY PASS TEST AND EVEN FAIL WOEFULLY IN INTERVIEW COS OF GRAMMAR AND TACTICS

Ok na. lets abolish grading in our school system and see if the system will improve.

Half baked universities will only produce half backed student and those of us that graduated in the 90's are probably luckier that our current generation

Da Doctor,
I have worked offshore and in the office an an Engineer for some years and believe I have some experience to make comment on this matter. At graduation myself and several of my friends  passed kpmg, pwc, all d bank test i wrote, p&g, orwell, shell, chevron aptitude test, Baker Hughes test, Transocean test and some i cant remember so tell me wetin NNPC wan bring wey dey different? If he has said interview that requires soft skills, I will understand but definitely not test as expressed here. NNPC need to remove all the unqualified people in their rank and file before they talk bad about Nigerian graduates cos I have met alot of NNPC/ DPR engineers on assignments in the operating companies that dont know anything about operation and they are supposed to be incharge of projects as a government rep and claim to have 10-15yrs experience.

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chamber2:

Ok na. lets abolish grading in our school system and see if the system will improve.

The issue is this. I can study hard for five years in the university and pass all my exams for a 2.1 without mixing it with the real world,

Those kinda people live in the book world and not the real world, they is no balance for it.

chamber2:

Ok na. lets abolish grading in our school system and see if the system will improve.

u no dey even get the gist!

ABEG NA ALL WEY U KNOW WEY GET 1ST CLASS AND 2. 2 FIT COMMUNICATE IN ENGLISH?

That shud tell u wat my point is.

No need sef cos all coy do their own assesment cos dey dont trust most schools and the degrees

pinkrex:


The issue is this. I can study hard for five years in the university and pass all my exams for a 2.1 without mixing it with the real world,

Those kinda people live in the book world and not the real world, they is no balance for it.

35% of secondary school pupils got 5 credits  in this year's WAEC.
35%  of these pupils are university ready if JAMB permits.
1st class and 2.1 graduates would come from this class of 35%.
These 1st class and 2.1 graduates  would be produced by various universities in Nigeria
About 2 universities in Nigerian are in Africa's top 100 universities.
So how globally competitive and employable are these graduates?

Johnpaul2k2:

while issues are been discuss, some are here selling herbal medicine for LOVE  

Guy I tire for that yeye guy o

On a serious note, I really do think any first class graduate from a federal university is a good product. The 4 first class guys in my class are currently here:

1. with a top oil and gas company in the UK
2. with exxon mobil in nigeria
3. with chevron in nigeria
4. with a top world class aerospace industry in the UK.

They are good. PERIOD!!!

Although I can't vouch for private universities first products o.

u no dey even get the gist!

ABEG NA ALL WEY U KNOW WEY GET 1ST CLASS AND 2. 2 FIT COMMUNICATE IN ENGLISH?

That shud tell u wat my point is.

No need sef cos all coy do their own assesment cos dey dont trust most schools and the degrees

whatever the case maybe, it goes further to expose the rot and inadequacy of our school system, from nursery to university level. Most 2.2 are even horrible, if we begin to compare.

Da Doctor,
I agree with the English deficiency you pointed out which is because of their disadvantaged past that cannot be erased but the issue here is NNPC aptitude test, so dont deviate from the topic. Also if you have worked in a multinational, you would have noticed that many of these so call experts find it very very difficult to converse in good English and dont struggle to be managers where they will be expected to be giving presentation all the time but develop themselves better in the technical part of their job which even though the boss understand their language deficiency, still cannot do without they technical ability.

chamber2:



Another sensible person. I wonder where my father, a carpenter, would have got the money to bribe lecturers in order for me to make a 2.1 or 1st class. Even when i struggled to complete two squared meal per day.

C'mon, I do not think bribing will earn you first class, however it may facilitate 2.1 but u should atleast be smart. so quit the talk. In my set most of the guys who were into bribing ended up in third class and 2:2 because the lecturers are not so stupid.  though most of our 2:1 were enhanced 2.1's smart plus dubbing.

2good:

Da Doctor,
I have worked offshore and in the office an an Engineer for some years and believe I have some experience to make comment on this matter. At graduation myself and several of my friends  passed kpmg, pwc, all d bank test i wrote, p&g, orwell, shell, chevron aptitude test, Baker Hughes test, Transocean test and some i cant remember so tell me wetin NNPC wan bring wey dey different? If he has said interview that requires soft skills, I will understand but definitely not test as expressed here. NNPC need to remove all the unqualified people in their rank and file before they talk bad about Nigerian graduates cos I have met alot of NNPC/ DPR engineers on assignments in the operating companies that dont know anything about operation and they are supposed to be incharge of projects as a government rep and claim to have 10-15yrs experience.

Dont let us go technical bro! Its like we have some things in common though i am in the academic field.

See bros, i agree with you, but be assured that not all can do same especially when it is not same school and dept.

I called back one of my students from CHEVRON About 7 years ago. He was a first class material and needed for class work when we were short of one. I cudnt have done that if he was not good.

I my self is consultant to some of your named firms!

u understand me? And we cant give away the fact that most of the DPR guys are govt nominness abut there are still specialist therein.

Bottom line is this. Not all the 1st class and 2.1 can defend their degree!

Hope we are on same page now?

I have got little knowledge of goephysics and reservoir engineering, and well site operations and seismology too to mention but a few but i sure have my specialty /core area. Nice meeting you

But dont quote me. i am academician core!

2good:

Da Doctor,
I agree with the English deficiency you pointed out which is because of their disadvantaged past that cannot be erased but the issue here is NNPC aptitude test, so dont deviate from the topic. Also if you have worked in a multinational, you would have noticed that many of these so call experts find it very very difficult to converse in good English and dont struggle to be managers where they will be expected to be giving presentation all the time but develop themselves better in the technical part of their job which even though the boss understand their language deficiency, still cannot do without they technical ability.

C'mon, I do not think bribing will earn you first class, however it may facilitate 2.1 but u should atleast be smart. so quit the talk. In my set most of the guys who were into bribing ended up in third class and 2:2 because the lecturers are not so silly.  though most of our 2:1 were enhanced 2.1's smart plus dubbing.

Did you read my post? How is what i said different from yours? You only corroborated my initial statement.

Brothers Year in Year out Nigeria Universities do not make it to the first 100 in the wolrd. And do not say who recognises this. The yardsticks are tedious and are followed religiously. No corruption. I still have friends in the market abroad who graduated in the early 80's and they are well recognised. I remember 10 years ago, some institutions and employees do not recognise Bsc from UNILAG after I think 1983 or 5. The rot has ben on for quite sometime. I hope this  can be turned around. I know for suer that there are some brilliant Nigerian lads abroad who do not even bother to apply to Nigerian companies but get good jobs abroad. Do not start yelling about Ooo Uni's abroad are not as goog as Uni's back home. Concentrate on yourself and imrove yourself. Even when you graduate abroad it's advisable to add additional professional courses to your degree before you come home. It will only enhance your skills and ability. As for apptituse tests they also happen here abroad. You have to read and practise it to be successful. Even if you have 0.5 Class it's no guarantee you will pass an aptitude test. Young men develop yourself

The way some people on this thread are lambasting & disparaging 1st cl & 2.1 holders is really sad.It shows deep rooted envy.If u couldn't make the grade at uni,whose fault?.Some people may have 'bought' their 1st cl or 2.1 but it has to be in the minority.NNPC is just making excuses in order to bring in politician's candidates wit their 3rd class degrees.This same 1st cl & 2.1 holders are getting into chevron,mobil,schlum,shell,totalfina and the likes where world standard tests & interviews are performed before entry & doing well in their chosen field let alone NNPC test #hiss.I did NNPC test years ago & i just laughed when i wasnt invited for the interview.I thank God today i wasnt invited.I am proud of what i left school with,i worked VERY HARD for it and can defend it anytime,anyday. the likes where world standard tests & interviews are performed before entry & doing well in their chosen field let alone NNPC test #hiss.I did NNPC test years ago & i just laughed when i wasnt invited for the interview.I thank God today i wasnt invited.I am proud of what i left school with,i worked VERY HARD for it and can defend it anytime,anyday.

Bottom line is this. Not all the 1st class and 2.1 can defend their degree!

You are very correct there.

Nigeria university graduates develops their mind to  garbage in garbage out and not on problem solving mind-set.most of them hates logical questions and when confronted with one,they are confused  because they did not train their mind for it.their failure  might be the nature of questions?,time factor  and  our  theoritical  methods  employed by   our universities rather than practicals

Thank God the first class grads in 4rm my school,can stand their own anywhere. . .

whirlweend:

The way some people on this thread are lambasting & disparaging 1st cl & 2.1 holders is really sad.It shows deep rooted envy.If u couldn't make the grade at uni,whose fault?.Some people may have 'bought' their 1st cl or 2.1 but it has to be in the minority.NNPC is just making excuses in order to bring in politician's candidates wit their 3rd class degrees.This same 1st cl & 2.1 holders are getting into chevron,mobil,schlum,shell,totalfina and the likes where world standard tests & interviews are performed before entry & doing well in their chosen field let alone NNPC test #hiss.I did NNPC test years ago & i just laughed when i wasnt invited for the interview.I thank God today i wasnt invited.I am proud of what i left school with,i worked VERY HARD for it and can defend it anytime,anyday. the likes where world standard tests & interviews are performed before entry & doing well in their chosen field let alone NNPC test #hiss.I did NNPC test years ago & i just laughed when i wasnt invited for the interview.I thank God today i wasnt invited.I am proud of what i left school with,i worked VERY HARD for it and can defend it anytime,anyday.

In every topic try to see the point in the pointless post of others .thats all i will say to you now cos of my disposition.

For your info! i am an academic material and a lecturer too .so it is not just i talking but little experience.

Gotta go now. Have a lil class by 2. 45 pm

Cheers!!

2good:

Da Doctor,
I agree with the English deficiency you pointed out which is because of their disadvantaged past that cannot be erased but the issue here is NNPC aptitude test, so dont deviate from the topic. Also if you have worked in a multinational, you would have noticed that many of these so call experts find it very very difficult to converse in good English and dont struggle to be managers where they will be expected to be giving presentation all the time but develop themselves better in the technical part of their job which even though the boss understand their language deficiency, still cannot do without they technical ability.

I agree with 2good here, i have met many of there so called engineers(DPR and NNPC) who have never been to the rig or production platform before and they claim 15yrs experience.
Before you can make a first class or 2:1 from a federal University,you must be very good academically.
Multinationals dont care about your spoken English is just your ability to learn fast and deliver. The experienced guys that wrote the NNPC test told me its just a joke.They gave them SS3 physics and chemistry to solve,how do you expect them to pass?

If not because of desperation, why should i write an exam (GMAT) for a job. What happened to JOB INTERVIEWS. The DG and all his directors, should come next week let me give them those same questions to answer, KMT

chriswely:

If not because of desperation, why should i write an exam (GMAT) for a job. What happened to JOB INTERVIEWS. The DG and all his directors, should come next week let me give them those same questions to answer, KMT

wat is wrong with u? u want them to lose their jobs?

Why the hate on 1st Class and 2.1 Graduates?
You guys have not taken time to read the article, the article is not pointing out the inadequacies of these sets of graduates. The article did not state that the pass rate for 2.2 graduates and below was better, as a matter of fact the requirement for the job was a minimum of 2.1.
I think it could have been worse for those with other grades if they were included

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@Da Doc.
Yes I have tried to see the point in the pointless & post and that was why I wrote that some people may have 'bought' their 1st cl & 2.1.But going through the thread,some senseless and pointless people have taken it upon themselves to insult and disparage ALL 1st cl & 2.1 holders,its like they have been waiting for such an opportunity to erupt with vituperations.Such people should be angry at the system that 'classifies' job applications and not 1st cl or 2.1 holders.
That is all I can say 'cause I m also not disposed to write after this.

why will it not be like that? all of us know what to do. i hate talking too much.

The assertion that first class grads are dumb or whatever is totali wrong. And as for pple payin their way to a 2.1 is totali false. I happen to be a 5th yr mech. engrg undergrad in a fed. univ. and I can say authoritatively that it's near impossible to bribe ur way to a 1st class or 2.1.
The fact that 80% scored 20marks and below should nt be taken as being germaine.