Maynman:


Present just ONE evidence to back this up.

I wasn't trying to prove king author existed I just used the fact that that he was first mentioned like 300 to 400 years after he lived unlike Jesus who was mentioned like within the same century he lived and eyewitnesses were still alive to testify

Lawag3:


I wasn't trying to prove king author existed I just used the fact that that he was first mentioned like 300 to 400 years after he lived unlike Jesus who was mentioned like within the same century he lived and eyewitnesses were still alive to testify

“The historical evidence for Jesus of Nazareth is both long-established and widespread.”
Present just ONE evidence.

Maynman:


“The historical evidence for Jesus of Nazareth is both long-established and widespread.”
Present just ONE evidence.

The supposed time frame of Jesus’s life, starting at year zero, was not a period big on communication. Without the ability to print books, not to mention having no phones or the Internet, it took a while for information to be dispersed. Despite limitations, a few decades following Jesus’s supposed lifetime, mentions of him started to crop up in the writings of Jewish and Roman historians, as well as in dozens of texts by Christians, writes Dr. Simon Gathercole, a New Testament scholar from the University of Cambridge, in the Guardian.
The first non-Christian writer to talk about Jesus was the Jewish historian Flavius Josephus (born Yosef ben Matityahu),who lived around AD 47-100. He referred to Christ in his history of Judaism “Jewish Antiquities” from AD 93. In the book, Jesus comes up twice – once in a curious passage about Jesus’s supposed brother James and in another paragraph that has since been questioned in its authenticity. Historians think it has been altered by Christians several centuries later who wanted to portray Jesus in a better light. Here is that passage coming from Antiquities 18:3:3:

“There was about this time Jesus, a wise man, if it be lawful to call him a man, for he was a doer of wonderful works—a teacher of such men as receive the truth with pleasure. He drew over to him both many of the Jews, and many of the Gentiles. He was Christ; and when Pilate, at the suggestion of the principal men amongst us, had condemned him to the cross, those that loved him at the first did not forsake him, for he appeared to them alive again the third day, as the divine prophets had foretold these and ten thousand other wonderful things concerning him; and the tribe of Christians, so named from him, are not extinct at this day.”

Roman historians Pliny and Tacitus also wrote about Jesus Christ about 20 years after Josephus’s book. The “Annals” by Tacitus from AD 115 mentioned the Roman prefect Pontius Pilate executing Jesus, alluding to crucifixion, and placed that event within the timeframe that agrees with Christian gospels. As you can also see in this excerpt, Tacitus was not a big fan of the Christians:

Pliny the Younger, who was also governor in Asia Minor, wrote letters to Emperor Trajan around AD 112 describing Christians worshipping Jesus as a God:

“They (Christians) were in the habit of meeting on a certain fixed day before it was light, when they sang in alternate verses a hymn to Christ, as to a god, and bound themselves by a solemn oath, not to any wicked deeds, but never to commit any fraud, theft or adultery, never to falsify their word, nor deny a trust when they should be called upon to deliver it up; after which it was their custom to separate, and then reassemble to partake of food, but of an ordinary and innocent kind ,” wrote Pliny in Epistles 10.96.

There have been a number of relics associated with Jesus, but none have been proven to be undoubtedly authentic. These include the infamous Shroud of Turin, supposedly the negative image of a man who was allegedly Jesus Christ. Some claim it to be Jesus’s shroud after the crucifixion. The science on the dating and origins the Shroud is very much being debated and doesn’t generally support the claims.


Another famous relic of dubious authenticity is The True Cross. There are hundreds of fragments of wood claimed by various people throughout history as being from the cross used in the Crucifixion of Jesus. Many of these fragments are dispersed in various European Churches despite little confirmation they are real.

Lawag3:

The supposed time frame of Jesus’s life, starting at year zero, was not a period big on communication. Without the ability to print books, not to mention having no phones or the Internet, it took a while for information to be dispersed. Despite limitations, a few decades following Jesus’s supposed lifetime, mentions of him started to crop up in the writings of Jewish and Roman historians, as well as in dozens of texts by Christians, writes Dr. Simon Gathercole, a New Testament scholar from the University of Cambridge, in the Guardian.
The first non-Christian writer to talk about Jesus was the Jewish historian Flavius Josephus (born Yosef ben Matityahu),who lived around AD 47-100. He referred to Christ in his history of Judaism “Jewish Antiquities” from AD 93. In the book, Jesus comes up twice – once in a curious passage about Jesus’s supposed brother James and in another paragraph that has since been questioned in its authenticity. Historians think it has been altered by Christians several centuries later who wanted to portray Jesus in a better light. Here is that passage coming from Antiquities 18:3:3:

“There was about this time Jesus, a wise man, if it be lawful to call him a man, for he was a doer of wonderful works—a teacher of such men as receive the truth with pleasure. He drew over to him both many of the Jews, and many of the Gentiles. He was Christ; and when Pilate, at the suggestion of the principal men amongst us, had condemned him to the cross, those that loved him at the first did not forsake him, for he appeared to them alive again the third day, as the divine prophets had foretold these and ten thousand other wonderful things concerning him; and the tribe of Christians, so named from him, are not extinct at this day.”

Roman historians Pliny and Tacitus also wrote about Jesus Christ about 20 years after Josephus’s book. The “Annals” by Tacitus from AD 115 mentioned the Roman prefect Pontius Pilate executing Jesus, alluding to crucifixion, and placed that event within the timeframe that agrees with Christian gospels. As you can also see in this excerpt, Tacitus was not a big fan of the Christians:

Pliny the Younger, who was also governor in Asia Minor, wrote letters to Emperor Trajan around AD 112 describing Christians worshipping Jesus as a God:

“They (Christians) were in the habit of meeting on a certain fixed day before it was light, when they sang in alternate verses a hymn to Christ, as to a god, and bound themselves by a solemn oath, not to any wicked deeds, but never to commit any fraud, theft or adultery, never to falsify their word, nor deny a trust when they should be called upon to deliver it up; after which it was their custom to separate, and then reassemble to partake of food, but of an ordinary and innocent kind ,” wrote Pliny in Epistles 10.96.

There have been a number of relics associated with Jesus, but none have been proven to be undoubtedly authentic. These include the infamous Shroud of Turin, supposedly the negative image of a man who was allegedly Jesus Christ. Some claim it to be Jesus’s shroud after the crucifixion. The science on the dating and origins the Shroud is very much being debated and doesn’t generally support the claims.


Another famous relic of dubious authenticity is The True Cross. There are hundreds of fragments of wood claimed by various people throughout history as being from the cross used in the Crucifixion of Jesus. Many of these fragments are dispersed in various European Churches despite little confirmation they are real.

Flavinus was talking about judas of Galilee before it was edited by early Christians.
Pliny and Tacitus Wrote about CHRRESTIANS.
And pliny particularly stated the pagan practices of chrestians!

Maynman:


Flavinus was talking about judas of Galilee before it was edited by early Christians.

What about Roman historical records Which points to the fact that Jesus was killed during the reign of Pontius Pilate

Maynman:


Flavinus was talking about judas of Galilee before it was edited by early Christians.
Pliny and Tacitus Wrote about CHRRESTIANS.
And pliny particularly stated the pagan practices of chrestians!

Where did you get that Wikipedia?

Lawag3:


What about Roman historical records Which points to the fact that Jesus was killed during the reign of Pontius Pilate

At what century?
Which position was pilate then?

You are yet to provide evidence.

It was CHRESTIANS that burnt down rome which tacitus wrote about.

Maynman:


Flavinus was talking about judas of Galilee before it was edited by early Christians.
Pliny and Tacitus Wrote about CHRRESTIANS.
And pliny particularly stated the pagan practices of chrestians!

Who is Judas of Galilee what does history say about him

Lawag3:


Who is Judas of Galilee what does history say about him

The antiquities of the jew you were quoting earlier was talking about him before it was interpolated by early Chrestians.

Lawag3:


Where did you get that Wikipedia?

Where have you been getting josephus, pliny and Tacitus quotes from?
Please present the evidence

Maynman:


At what century?
Which position was pilate then?

You are yet to provide evidence.

It was CHRESTIANS that burnt down rome which tacitus wrote about.

Pontius Pilate, Latin in full Marcus Pontius Pilatus, (died after 36 CE), Roman prefect (governor) of Judaea (26–36 CE) under the emperor Tiberius who presided at the trial of Jesus and gave the order for his crucifixion.

Lawag3:

Pontius Pilate, Latin in full Marcus Pontius Pilatus, (died after 36 CE), Roman prefect (governor) of Judaea (26–36 CE) under the emperor Tiberius who presided at the trial of Jesus and gave the order for his crucifixion.

Verbatim lol

Maynman:


Where have you been getting josephus, pliny and Tacitus quotes from?
Please present the evidence

You can easily do research. I get all my facts from books I can send you copies . Don't do Wikipedia it can be edited by individuals I can easily edit it to what I want

Maynman:


Verbatim lol

You are now helping me to prove Jesus existence lol

Lawag3:


You can easily do research. I get all my facts from books I can send you copies . Don't do Wikipedia it can be edited by individuals I can easily edit it to what I want

Send me the copies or just mention name of the books

Wikipedia can be easily edited that doesn’t mean it won’t be reviewed by Wikipedia before made public.
And look up what Wikipedia means.

Lawag3:


You are now helping me to prove Jesus existence lol

According to Christianity


Which roman records state pilate as persecuting someone?

Maynman:


The antiquities of the jew you were quoting earlier was talking about him before it was interpolated by early Chrestians.

All you just did was to make me realize that pilny was talking about Jesus because Judas did not inspire a religion Judas was all about freeing the Jews from the Romans Jesus was not Judas did not do many wondrous work that pilny was talking about Jesus did

Lawag3:


All you just did was to make me realize that pilny was talking about Jesus because Judas did not inspire a religion Judas was all about freeing the Jews from the Romans Jesus was not Judas did not do many wondrous work that pilny was talking about Jesus did

What exactly did pliny say about jesus?
In what century did he say it?

Maynman:


Send me the copies or just mention name of the books

Wikipedia can be easily edited that doesn’t mean it won’t be reviewed by Wikipedia before made public.
And look up what Wikipedia means.

I love your inquisitive soul give me your email address

Lawag3:


I love your inquisitive soul give me your email address

Just mention the name of the books

Maynman:


What exactly did pliny say about jesus?
In what century did he say it?

Did he or did he not say those things about your supposed Judas of Galilee

Lawag3:


Did he or did he not say those things about your supposed Judas of Galilee

What did he say about “judas of Galilee”?
You were the one that brought in pliny, what did pliny say about your supposed jesus?

Maynman:


Just mention the name of the books

Facts about the historical Jesus I have forgotten the author name

Finding Allah seeking Jesus by Nabeel Qureshi

Lawag3:


Facts about the historical Jesus I have forgotten the author name

Finding Allah seeking Jesus by Nabeel Qureshi

You’ve forgotten the author name but you are quoting the book bwahahahah

Is finding allah seeking jesus a history book? This is where you get your facts from?

Maynman:


What did he say about “judas of Galilee”?
You were the one that brought in pliny, what did pliny say about your supposed jesus?

You like answering questions with questions do you want to pretend like I haven't showed you from my points we've been discussing

Maynman:


You’ve forgotten the author name but you are quoting the book bwahahahah

Is finding allah seeking jesus a history book? This is where you get your facts from?

Nope it talks about the historical Jesus in a whole chapter

Lawag3:


You like answering questions with questions do you want to pretend like I haven't showed you from my points we've been discussing

Screenshot where you showed me what pliny said about jesus

Maynman:


You’ve forgotten the author name but you are quoting the book bwahahahah

Is finding allah seeking jesus a history book? This is where you get your facts from?

I have the book on PDF I could send it to you

Lawag3:


Nope it talks about the historical Jesus in a whole chapter

And what reference did he use?
And by the way he didn’t, if he did, screenshot it

Lawag3:

I have the book on PDF I could send it to you

Open the first page of the pdf book and get the title and author of it, is it that difficult for something that is “historical evidence for Jesus of Nazareth is both long-established and widespread.”
It should be everywhere like you stated

MindHacker9009:


Emperor Constantine used Christainity to unify all the different religions in Rome at the time. From my personal experience I find those who say they are following Jesus Christ are just using it as a cover for other stuff they are into and those who truly believe in Jesus Christ are just the gullible ones.

Did you know that the **** was founded by an Anglican pastor? During the colonial period the missionaries who brought Jesus Christ to Nigeria were aware of this. So churches that broke out of the Roman Catholic Church does not mean they got closer to the TRUE GOD of the Old Testament.

Source:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fq-ijPJt-hs

I am aware that majority of Christian leaders belong to Demonic cults. I know about the Anglican Priest that founded The Reformed Ogboni Fraternity.

I also know that King James of England who authorized the King James version of the Bible was a member of Freemason.

The issue is God can use anyone directly or indirectly to spread the gospel. He can even use Satan to show the world how powerful He is. If Satan had not attack Job with a mysterious disease, the friends of Job and even his Wife will not have witness the power of God.

Emperor Constantine unify the religions in Rome and tried using the identity of Jesus to market the Roman traditions. His plans backfired. The World accepted the existence of Jesus and rejected the Roman traditions which led to the collapse of the Roman Empire.

Today, some churches are using the identity of Jesus to market Gay marriage but it will also backfire! Some fake pastors in Nigeria are also using the identity of Jesus to practise their magics and voodoo powers. The judgement of God awaits them .

However all this does not invalidate the existence of Jesus. You can only use a genuine product to market a bad product. That is what these people are doing with the identity of Jesus Christ.

I disagree with you that the few christains that sincerely believe in Jesus Christ are gullible. The disciples of Jesus were accused of being gullible by the Roman Government.

However today , these disciples are more popular across the world than all the Emperors that ruled Rome. Peter is more popular in the Catholic Church than Emperor Constantine hence some Catholic claims that thier founder is Peter.

The foolishness of God is better than the wisdom of Men. Hence if it takes being gullible for Jesus Christ to make a name in this world and in heaven, is it not better to become gullible for Him?

Lawag3:

The supposed time frame of Jesus’s life, starting at year zero, was not a period big on communication. Without the ability to print books, not to mention having no phones or the Internet, it took a while for information to be dispersed. Despite limitations, a few decades following Jesus’s supposed lifetime, mentions of him started to crop up in the writings of Jewish and Roman historians, as well as in dozens of texts by Christians, writes Dr. Simon Gathercole, a New Testament scholar from the University of Cambridge, in the Guardian.
The first non-Christian writer to talk about Jesus was the Jewish historian Flavius Josephus (born Yosef ben Matityahu),who lived around AD 47-100. He referred to Christ in his history of Judaism “Jewish Antiquities” from AD 93. In the book, Jesus comes up twice – once in a curious passage about Jesus’s supposed brother James and in another paragraph that has since been questioned in its authenticity. Historians think it has been altered by Christians several centuries later who wanted to portray Jesus in a better light. Here is that passage coming from Antiquities 18:3:3:

“There was about this time Jesus, a wise man, if it be lawful to call him a man, for he was a doer of wonderful works—a teacher of such men as receive the truth with pleasure. He drew over to him both many of the Jews, and many of the Gentiles. He was Christ; and when Pilate, at the suggestion of the principal men amongst us, had condemned him to the cross, those that loved him at the first did not forsake him, for he appeared to them alive again the third day, as the divine prophets had foretold these and ten thousand other wonderful things concerning him; and the tribe of Christians, so named from him, are not extinct at this day.”

Roman historians Pliny and Tacitus also wrote about Jesus Christ about 20 years after Josephus’s book. The “Annals” by Tacitus from AD 115 mentioned the Roman prefect Pontius Pilate executing Jesus, alluding to crucifixion, and placed that event within the timeframe that agrees with Christian gospels. As you can also see in this excerpt, Tacitus was not a big fan of the Christians:

Pliny the Younger, who was also governor in Asia Minor, wrote letters to Emperor Trajan around AD 112 describing Christians worshipping Jesus as a God:

“They (Christians) were in the habit of meeting on a certain fixed day before it was light, when they sang in alternate verses a hymn to Christ, as to a god, and bound themselves by a solemn oath, not to any wicked deeds, but never to commit any fraud, theft or adultery, never to falsify their word, nor deny a trust when they should be called upon to deliver it up; after which it was their custom to separate, and then reassemble to partake of food, but of an ordinary and innocent kind ,” wrote Pliny in Epistles 10.96.

There have been a number of relics associated with Jesus, but none have been proven to be undoubtedly authentic. These include the infamous Shroud of Turin, supposedly the negative image of a man who was allegedly Jesus Christ. Some claim it to be Jesus’s shroud after the crucifixion. The science on the dating and origins the Shroud is very much being debated and doesn’t generally support the claims.


Another famous relic of dubious authenticity is The True Cross. There are hundreds of fragments of wood claimed by various people throughout history as being from the cross used in the Crucifixion of Jesus. Many of these fragments are dispersed in various European Churches despite little confirmation they are real.

https://bigthink.com/thinking/was-jesus-real/

Why didn’t you post the link to your “facts”? Bwahahahah

Wikipedia is wrong but paul ritner the person that concocted the article is correct?